[00:00] <truexfan81> compiz-plugins kk thank you pavlos i already have the other two
[00:00] <pavlos> truexfan81: start ccsm, in effects you'll see wobbly windows, enable them
[00:02] <truexfan81> oh that is so much nicer with the full compositing pipeline options in nvidia-settings preventing tearing
[00:04] <Isildur> anyone?
[00:06] <pavlos> Isildur: many
[00:07] <Isildur> :)
[00:07] <Isildur> can you help me?
[00:07] <pavlos> Isildur: ask a question, wait ...
[00:07] <Isildur> ok
[00:08] <Isildur> so, i have installed ubuntu some days ago, but my os doesn't recognize audio card(s). i'm pretty newbe with linux distributions.
[00:09] <sarnold> Isildur: compare lspci output with lsmod output -- see if you've got a kernel module loaded that looks like it should handle your audio card
[00:10] <Isildur> can't send the lines
[00:11] <Isildur> compare-im6.q16: unable to open image `lspci': File o directory non esistente @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2701.
[00:11] <pavlos> Isildur: sudo lshw -c sound | nc termbin.com 9999    ... give us the link
[00:11] <Isildur> file pr directory doesn't exist
[00:11] <TJ-> Isildur: do "aplay -l" and see if there are any "cards" listed with "PCH"
[00:12] <Isildur> scheda 0: bytcrrt5651 [bytcr-rt5651], dispositivo 0: Audio (*) []
[00:12] <Isildur> not pch cards
[00:14] <Isildur> https://termbin.com/164f
[00:17] <TJ-> Isildur: try this: "lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[00:17] <Isildur> https://termbin.com/dzfu
[00:19] <TJ-> Isildur: no sign of a sound device there; what does "dmesg | grep DMI:" report ?
[00:20] <Isildur> should i type that lines on terminal?
[00:21] <TJ-> Isildur: there should be only one, giving the make/model of the system
[00:22] <Isildur> with system you mean..?!
[00:22] <OerHeks> lsmod | grep snd
[00:23] <TJ-> Isildur: on my system I get one line, thus: "[    0.000000] DMI: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. T300CHI/T300CHI, BIOS T300CHI.207 08/06/2015"
[00:24] <TJ-> Isildur: do you get one line as well that tells you the make and model of the device (PC) ?
[00:25] <pavlos> Isildur: use the similar method as before ... dmesg | grep DMI: | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:27] <Isildur> nothing happened with dmesg | grep DMI: | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:28] <tomreyn> Isildur: try this:   journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[00:29] <Isildur> kernel: DMI: Jumper EZbook/Cherry Trail CR, BIOS 5.11 11/21/2017
[00:29] <tomreyn> TJ-: we got your DMI ^
[00:42] <Isildur> tj?
[00:45] <Isildur> anyone who can fix my problem please?
[00:47] <tomreyn> Isildur: this seesm to be a Jumper EZbook 2, apparently audio issues are common with this platform. can you run this:    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    and port the url?
[00:48] <Isildur> https://termbin.com/d77l
[00:48] <tomreyn> Isildur:    also this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo    and report where you uploaded to in the end.
[00:50] <Isildur> http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=18ea53bd22c68627d7773eb2cf5193cf9235c834
[00:52] <tomreyn> Isildur: so there is a detected audio chip. but your system log (the first one you uploaded) contains this very often, which looks like an error which should be researched more:  kernel:  "Audio Port: ASoC: no backend DAIs enabled for Audio Port"
[00:52] <TJ-> sorry, bulding software here as well
[00:53] <Isildur> tomreyn didn't understand so well
[00:53] <Isildur> no problem tj
[00:54] <tomreyn> Isildur: looks at what you posted to https://termbin.com/d77l (output of command "journalctl -b"), search for a line saying "Audio Port: ASoC: no backend DAIs enabled for Audio Port"
[00:56] <TJ-> Isildur: looks like a job for acpi_osi= to me; there's a LOT of ACPI power complexes and many not enabled
[00:56] <TJ-> Isildur: see https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:57] <tomreyn> Isildur: you will notice this line keeps repeating, which is usually an indication of some kind of error. if you scroll down further, you see that pulseaudio and "ALSA" ("advanced linux sound architecture"), basically the basic linux sound management drivers / software, were unable to "find a working profile"
[00:58] <Isildur> yes tom
[00:58] <Isildur> ound iti f
[00:58] <Isildur> i found it
[01:02] <Isildur> tj- can't understand
[01:03] <tomreyn> Isildur: we can try what TJ suggests, which is - roughly speaking - to tell your computer firmware that we're running windows, not linux, and that it should treat us like windows.this can work around bad firmware which is really only made to work with windows.  run this: sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:04] <Isildur> https://termbin.com/xefn
[01:10] <tomreyn> Isildur: run this:  sudo sed -i 's/^\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=.*\)\"$/\1 acpi_osi=! \\"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\\""/' /etc/default/grub; grep '^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=' /etc/default/grub
[01:11] <tomreyn> what's the output?
[01:12] <Isildur> acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\"
[01:13] <tomreyn> Isildur: run this, then reboot:   sudo update-grub
[01:13] <Isildur> ubuntu?reboot
[01:14] <tomreyn> yes, restart the computer normally via the menu
[01:14] <Isildur> thanks
[01:14] <Isildur> coming back
[01:14] <tomreyn> sure
[01:14] <tomreyn> see you in a bit
[01:30] <Carlito98890> hey there, i'm isildur
[01:30] <Carlito98890> i did reboot
[01:30] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: welcome back.
[01:30] <Carlito98890> thank you
[01:31] <tomreyn> any improvements to the sound, yet?
[01:31] <Carlito98890> i had to register a nick. thank to the patience
[01:31] <Carlito98890> nope
[01:31] <tomreyn> consider also installing "hexchat", a proper chat client, much better than this web chat.
[01:31] <Carlito98890> ok
[01:32] <tomreyn> then tell me what is the output of:   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:33] <Carlito98890> https://termbin.com/6ijv
[01:33] <Carlito98890> the same i think
[01:36] <tomreyn> yes, quite similar.
[01:39] <sarnold> wow that's a log of sadness and despair
[01:39] <tomreyn> as you previously noticed in bug 1768991
[01:39] <Carlito98890> here i go
[01:39] <sarnold> tomreyn: wow :)
[01:40] <Carlito98890> i did switch on kvirc
[01:40] <tomreyn> a year ago ;)
[01:40] <sarnold> tomreyn: dude. I saw those dates and really thought "bummer, no fix in over six months"
[01:41] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: ok. there's bug 1768991 which discusses the same issue.
[01:41] <tomreyn> but we have no workaround, i think
[01:42] <Carlito98890> so there is not a solution?
[01:43] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: what you can try is rebooting with the other values from https://termbin.com/xefn in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= line in (run this command):    gedit admin:///etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub
[01:44] <tomreyn> i.e. replace     Windows 2015     by    Windows 2013   and reboot, and repeat with    Windows 2012    etc.
[01:45] <tomreyn> you could also try a different kernel, maybe this has since been fixed:   sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge
[01:46] <tomreyn> this also looks related https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115531
[01:46] <Carlito98890> downloading new kernel..
[01:48] <TJ-> tomreyn: see /usr/share/alsa/ucm/chtrt5645/ -- strong indications the configs there have been broken
[01:49] <tomreyn> TJ-: see this where?
[01:51] <sgtnasty> On Ubuntu 16.04.6, if I use Enigmail on Thunderbird 60.7.0 (64-bit) I cant send email, clicking the send button does nothing. If I disable Enigmail then I can send. Its set to use /usr/bin/gpg2 which is v 2.1.11
[01:51] <easyOnMe> Hello everyone just like to ask
[01:51] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's the libasound configs for the cherry trail SoC
[01:51] <sarnold> sgtnasty: if you start thunderbird from a terminal, do you get any error messages there that look relevant?
[01:52] <easyOnMe> I entered an command like tHis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[01:52] <easyOnMe> and it gave me a result like this at the end of the process
[01:52] <easyOnMe> W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=UUID=b849c7f8-6447-4221-ba8f-e85a5216a6f3
[01:52] <easyOnMe> W: but no matching swap device is available.
[01:52] <easyOnMe> I issued the command because the keys backspace, single quotation mark, g and h are not working consistently
[01:53] <easyOnMe> sometimes they work and sometimes they don't
[01:53] <sarnold> easyOnMe: that warning message is almost certainly entirely unrelated to your keyboard problems
[01:53] <tomreyn> TJ-: i'm looking at this directory on my 18.04 system, its contents don't look very different from the other directories in /usr/share/alsa/ucm/ - but maybe you're saying you glanced at the files in /usr/share/alsa/ucm/chtrt5645 and have some experience with what they should look like and they don't look like that (something i could not tell).
[01:53] <Carlito98890> tom, tj, this can help? https://github.com/plbossart/sound/commit/b2a57d169c54f8d9ac60c2839dae93468bc4d040
[01:54] <sgtnasty> no errors or anything that looks like an issue
[01:54] <easyOnMe> sarnold: ok what does it mean then
[01:55] <Carlito98890> tom i have to reboot after new kernel installation?
[01:55] <ahi2> weird firefox wont connect to internet. chromium and hexchat work fine
[01:55] <tomreyn> easyOnMe: no, i don't think so, this should be alread yon the kernel you have. the issue is with the main audio device, not just hdmi audio.
[01:55] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: yes, you need to reboot after installing a new kernel.
[01:56] <sarnold> sgtnasty: rats :(
[01:56] <sgtnasty> JavaScript error: chrome://enigmail/content/enigmailMessengerOverlay.js, line 324: TypeError: Enigmail is undefined
[01:56] <easyOnMe> tomreyn: so the issue has got to do with the audio my laptop and not about my keyboard
[01:56] <holler> is it possible to build an array and select an index inline? e.g. I want to do something like VAR=${(opt1 opt2 op3)[<PULL_REQUEST_ID> % 3]}
[01:56] <easyOnMe> what can I do to address that message then
[01:56] <sarnold> easyOnMe: no, tomreyn just mixed you up with Carlito98890
[01:56] <tomreyn> easyOnMe: sorry, i was meaning to say this to Carlito98890
[01:57] <sarnold> easyOnMe: do you have a swap device on your system? do you care about suspend-to-disk?
[01:57] <tomreyn> easyOnMe: please just ignore what i said
[02:00] <easyOnMe> sarnold: what does a swap device do
[02:00] <easyOnMe> and why should I consider your suggestion
[02:01] <sarnold> easyOnMe: a swap device helps your computer run more programs than you have memory for
[02:01] <sarnold> easyOnMe: when more memory is needed, the kernel will push dirty memory into the swap device
[02:02] <easyOnMe> sarnold: I see
[02:02] <easyOnMe> ok
[02:02] <sarnold> easyOnMe: this swap device was given a second task -- hold ALL system state while doing suspend-to-disk
[02:02] <easyOnMe> sarnold: if I do what you suggested will it cause any unforeseeable harm to my laptop
[02:02] <easyOnMe> I am still learning using ubuntu
[02:02] <sarnold> easyOnMe: .. it's some complicated juggling, but if your swap device is same size or larger than your ram, you can suspend to it, and save state there
[02:03] <sarnold> easyOnMe: well, I haven't suggested that you *do* anything, yet
[02:03] <easyOnMe> sarnold: yea
[02:03] <easyOnMe> sarnold: but my pressing concern now is my keyboard
[02:03] <sarnold> easyOnMe: I'm just curious how you use your system :) do you care about doing suspend to disk? (I'm not sure we even support it..)
[02:03] <easyOnMe> it works very inconsistently
[02:04] <sarnold> easyOnMe: does the keyboard work when you plug it in to other systems?
[02:04] <easyOnMe> sarnold: no my concern about suspend to disk
[02:04] <Carlito98890> tom is the same
[02:04] <easyOnMe> need to address my keyboard issues ere
[02:04] <TJ-> tomreyn: from what I can see the versions we have are quite old and may be broke for many CT based devices, assuming we have the correct Asoc, e.g. see https://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-lib.git;a=tree;f=src/conf/ucm;hb=HEAD
[02:04] <easyOnMe> sarnold: I mean my laptop keyboard
[02:05] <easyOnMe> the keys backspace, single quotation mark, g and h are not working consistently
[02:05] <sarnold> easyOnMe: oh no, it's *laptop*? that's no good :( that's so much harder to diagnose. you can't just unplug those things. :(
[02:05] <easyOnMe> sarnold: Iyes
[02:05] <easyOnMe> yes
[02:06] <easyOnMe> I need help on it
[02:06] <sarnold> easyOnMe: you can try running the xev program; it'll show keyup, keydown, mouse, etc events
[02:06] <easyOnMe> because I am using an hp laptop probook s-series
[02:07] <easyOnMe> sarnold: I did it already
[02:07] <easyOnMe> problem still persisting
[02:07] <sarnold> did you see those key up and down events?
[02:07] <easyOnMe> sarnold: yes
[02:08] <tomreyn> easyOnMe: (this time i'm really talking to you): either just run    rm /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume* && sudo update-initramfs -u    or (before you run the other commands), more difficultly, find out what your resume-from-suspend-to-disk device should be (use: lsblk, cat /proc/swaps)  and set this in /etc/initramfs-tools/resume*
[02:08] <sarnold> easyOnMe: weird, so the keyboard appears to be working but something is dropping them ??
[02:09] <easyOnMe> tomreyn: are you sure suspend is my issue here
[02:09] <easyOnMe> sarnold: all keys are workin except tose keys i mentioned
[02:09] <easyOnMe> sometimes tose keys work
[02:09] <easyOnMe> sometimes tey dont
[02:09] <sarnold> easyOnMe: ahhhhhh. okay. that makes sense. that sounds like flaky switches or keyboard connector.
[02:10] <easyOnMe> sarnold: if tat is so
[02:10] <easyOnMe> wat can be done
[02:10] <Carlito98890> tomreyn: what do i do
[02:10] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm yes ubuntu 18.04 only seems to support chtrt5645 whereas Carlito98890 has "bytcr-rt5651" according to http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=18ea53bd22c68627d7773eb2cf5193cf9235c834
[02:11] <TJ-> tomreyn: aha, nice find
[02:11] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: i don't have a solution for you at this time. you can run this to add your information to the existing bug report:  sudo apport-collect 1768991
[02:11] <sarnold> easyOnMe: hopefully the machine is still under warranty
[02:12] <easyOnMe> sarnold: no
[02:12] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: actually dont
[02:12] <easyOnMe> You see now gh are working
[02:12] <easyOnMe> including the ' quotation mark and the backspace
[02:12] <easyOnMe> after awhile for some unknown reason they failed to work
[02:13] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: please file a new bug report using:  sudo ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[02:14] <easyOnMe> sarnold: any solution
[02:14] <easyOnMe> I can use
[02:14] <sarnold> easyOnMe: I still suspect hardware
[02:15] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: Just report that your sound is not working on both the kernel you had when you installed (4.18.0-20-generic #21~18.04.1-Ubuntu) and the kernel you run now.
[02:15] <easyOnMe> sarnold: I see
[02:15] <easyOnMe> ok ten I ave to replace tis keyboard ten
[02:15] <easyOnMe> tanks
[02:15] <sarnold> good luck
[02:15] <sarnold> I was able to swap out mine on my thinkpad easy enough
[02:15] <sarnold> hopefully hp made theirs as swappable :)
[02:16] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: unfortunately there are also issues with your sda disk. i don't know whether those are relevant, you might have lower disk I/O performance than it could be.
[02:17] <Carlito98890> OK TOM THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[02:17] <Carlito98890> ops sorry
[02:17] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: oh can you post     journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    once more?
[02:18] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: i don't think you posted it with the new kernel, yet
[02:19] <netkam2> whats the prefered vimium-like solution for firefox?
[02:20] <Carlito98890> https://termbin.com/78zp
[02:21] <sarnold> netkam2: I'm using tridactyl at the moment. afaik it's the best of the available choices. I've come to hate it.
[02:22] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: okay, let us know when you files a bug report, please
[02:22] <sarnold> tomreyn: what did you spot that lead you to say there's drive problems?
[02:23] <sarnold> man battery life on this thing must be *awful*
[02:23] <sarnold> it's always writing logs..
[02:23] <TJ-> tomreyn: copying this dir+contents into /usr/share/alsa/ucm/ might help: https://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-lib.git;a=tree;f=src/conf/ucm/bytcr-rt5651;h=12b8f8b60a74cd4a1894f2460cb0dc39a6bcda2b;hb=HEAD
[02:25] <tomreyn> sarnold: turns out i was looking at someone elses log when i found those sda issues https://launchpadlibrarian.net/368558116/CurrentDmesg.txt - Carlitos' logs do not actually mention "sda"
[02:25] <TJ-> Carlito98890: can you test the hedset? because " bytcr-rt5651 Headset as /devices/pci0000:00/808622A8:00/bytcr_rt5651/sound/card0/input18"
[02:25] <Carlito98890> i try
[02:25] <sarnold> tomreyn: aha, the guy from a year ago :)
[02:25] <Carlito98890> again
[02:27] <Carlito98890> doesn't works
[02:28] <Carlito98890> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1831301
[02:28] <tomreyn> sarnold: yes, that's right
[02:29] <tomreyn> TJ- / sarnold: is alsa-driver the right package to file this against?
[02:29] <tomreyn> rather linux?
[02:30] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: thanks, we may need to you to run another command to gather more logs shortly
[02:30] <sarnold> tomreyn: I'm guessing linux. alsa-driver hasn't been touched since *wily*: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+changelog
[02:31] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: you didn't meantion which both kernels you tried (i had summed it up for you)
[02:31] <tomreyn> oh crap. i had him file against alsa-base
[02:31] <Carlito98890> thank you tom
[02:33] <sarnold> Carlito98890: could you run apport-collect 1831301  ?
[02:33] <tomreyn> without the question mark
[02:33] <TJ-> tomreyn: i'm not too sure!
[02:34] <tomreyn> thanks, i think we worked it out.
[02:34] <tomreyn> ^TJ
 Carlito98890: Just report that your sound is not working on both the kernel you had when you installed (4.18.0-20-generic #21~18.04.1-Ubuntu) and the kernel you run now.
[02:37] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: so once this is done we can try to put this ALSA profile in place and see if this helps you.
[02:37] <netkam2> sarnold: are you using any link selection at all now or you gave up?
[02:37] <sarnold> netkam2: what do you mean by link selection?
[02:38] <Carlito98890> ok
[02:38] <sarnold> netkam2: I use f sometimes, but not always..
[02:39] <netkam2> sarnold: an vimium type solution
[02:40] <netkam2> i remember vimium for ff being horrible
[02:41] <sarnold> netkam2: I'm still using tridactyl. as much as I hate it, I can't use firefox without something similar.
[02:41] <sarnold> netkam2: one of these days I want to try out qutebrowser
[02:44] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: how's the apport-collect coming?
[02:44] <netkam2> sarnold: its kind of dreadful
[02:45] <netkam2> very hipster tho
[02:45] <sarnold> netkam2: I've heard that it's also pretty slow :(
[02:45] <netkam2> it's like browsing in a crane machine
[02:45] <sarnold> but I'm so sick of typing ohello world    and having tridactyl turn that into ohellowo rld
[02:45] <sarnold> somehow spaces cause a delay that's reliably two chars long
[02:46] <sarnold> it's driving me mental
[02:46] <netkam2> trying this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vim-vixen/?src=search
[02:46] <netkam2> someone in #emacs said it was good
[02:46] <netkam2> lol sound bad
[02:47] <netkam2> wow vimvixen is pretty neat
[02:48] <sarnold> netkam2: if you select an url, and then hit p or P, will it open that url in a tab or a new tab?
[02:49] <netkam2> let's see
[02:49] <tomreyn> Carlito98890: i assume you're busy now. i'll respond on the bug tracker.
[02:49] <netkam2> not sure because the link is called by a random series of letters
[02:49] <sarnold> netkam2: YES! https://github.com/ueokande/vim-vixen#misc
[02:49] <netkam2> tried holding shift, and it sort of ignored it
[02:50] <sarnold> netkam2: dude, thanks :) I'm going to have to give this a try.
[02:50] <netkam2> wierd, not sure what problem that obscure feature solves.. but
[02:52] <sarnold> netkam2: it lets you select an URL in IRC or email or whatever, and then you can open it in firefox with just one key press ;)
[02:52] <sarnold> normally you'd have to do something like ^T then ^L then shift-insert and then enter
[02:53] <netkam2> hmm
[02:53] <netkam2> tmux user?
[02:54] <sarnold> only to keep a persistent irssi instance
[02:54] <netkam2> trying to figure out how this helps my workflow
[02:54] <netkam2> i just click and say open in browser, irssi kde user
[02:55] <netkam2> right click >> open link
[02:55] <netkam2> Konsole is pretty happy about just letting you click on links
[02:57] <sarnold> aha!
[02:57] <sarnold> I use urxvt
[02:58] <sarnold> I haven't yet liked any terminals that offered hyperlinking
[02:59] <lapion> so I am hving this realy strange behaviour.
[02:59] <netkam2> there we go
[02:59] <netkam2> urxvt makes me wanna jump out of a window
[02:59] <netkam2> that could even be a pun somehow
[03:00] <sarnold> lol
[03:01] <lapion> a certain disk device enumerator (/dev/sdg so g in this case ) is automatically mounted by the mount manager but shows empty if viewed with fdisk.
[03:02] <sarnold> there's so much that goes into making a terminal decision.. you have to like the font rendering, it has to provide the scrolling bandwidth that you like, it has to provide input latency that fits, some people like *all* terminal updates to be sent, others prefer that updates be dropped if it means it can go faster, etc etc etc. there's no wonder why there's dozens of terminals :)
[03:03] <lapion> however if I eject the stuck insert another one that one becomes sdg and show the same behaviour, however if I insert the previous stick if becomes sdf and is readable..
[03:04] <sarnold> you don't need a partition table on a block device in order to put a filesystem on it
[03:04] <lapion> sarnold, I know all of that
[03:05] <lapion> it's just that any disk that gets assigned /dev/sdg shows up as empty
[03:05] <sarnold> also, I think fdisk only does the old-style mbr-partition tables; if you've got gpt tables that aren't mirrored on mbr tables, I don't think fdisk will see it
[03:05] <netkam2> sarnold: i just use kde
[03:08] <lapion> sarnold, so any disk that assign the enumerator g (/dev/sdg) appears to be empty.
[03:08] <lapion> sarnold, and I mean literally empy as in zero size zero sectores etc etc
[03:09] <lapion> sectors
[03:09] <sarnold> lapion: what's the kernel report when you insert them?
[03:10] <lapion> sarnold, the only thing because it's a zero disk ( when assigned /dev/sdg )   [1278909.722991] FAT-fs (sdg1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[03:10] <tomreyn> lapion: please also run   fdisk -l /dev/sdg | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:11] <lapion> tomreyn, it shows up empty as long as it's /dev/sdg
[03:12] <tomreyn> so this message tells us that a partition table was read and interpreted, that there is a first partition sdg1 on it, with a FAT file system, whjich was not propoerly unmounted and is thus unusable until fixed.
[03:13] <lapion> tomreyn, if I remove the stick insert another ( that one then becomes sdg ) when reinserting the previous stick ( it becomes sdh ) shows as normal again
[03:13] <tomreyn> the command "fdisk -l /dev/sdg" would not return without providing output, no.
[03:14] <lapion> tomreyn, howver any device assinged sdg shows up as a non-disk that means no sectors no cylinders no blocks
[03:14] <tomreyn> sure, because the other stick doesn't have a corrupt file system on it
[03:16] <tomreyn> i understand what you're saying, but i also think you're jumping to conclusions, and will continue to do so until you've shown output confirming what you conclude.
[03:17] <lapion> tomreyn, stcik 1 is sdg, remove stick 1 insert stick 2 it becomes sdg, reinsert 1 it becomes sdh, now 1 is readable as sdh but not when it was sdg , stick 2 is not readable if it is sdg. however as any other sd[a-f,g-z] it is readbale
[03:18] <lapion> tomreyn, solved it....
[03:18] <tomreyn> how?
[03:19] <tomreyn> fsck /dev/sdg, i guess?
[03:19] <tomreyn> *sdg1
[03:23] <lapion> hp:~$ ls -l /dev/sd?
[03:23] <lapion> brw-rw---- 1 root disk    440 mei 26 08:45 /dev/sdg
[03:23] <lapion> hp:~$ sudo rm /dev/sdg
[03:24] <tomreyn> that's an unusual size
[03:24] <lapion> tomreyn, not if you look at mbr.bin
[03:25] <sarnold> I'm confused; why doesn't your ls -l output show the major and minor number of the device?
[03:26] <sarnold> eg http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r9NzVWPTJH/
[03:26] <lapion> dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdg ( /dev/sdg had no assigned device so it was not created at the time of dd )
[03:27] <tomreyn> ...
[03:27] <sarnold> uhh
[03:27] <lapion> lol
[03:29] <lapion> sarnold, tomreyn the desktop mounter still had a cached copy of the original /dev/sdg...
[03:36] <Rojola> hi
[03:37] <tomreyn> hi Rojola
[03:37] <Rojola> When I use "mailmerge" in open office (to create bulk letters) - how can I print to odt files?
[03:37] <Rojola> odt is not an option in the dropdown list of file extensions
[03:37] <tomreyn> do you mean libreoffice?
[03:37] <Rojola> however, I have a directory here which was created using mailmerge, and it contains odt files
[03:38] <Rojola> so there must be a way - I only forgot how I did it a year ago
[03:38] <Rojola> tomreyn, yes
[03:38] <tomreyn> i did mailmerge there years ago, but i'm afreaid i don't recall the details, nor whether this was then printable directly.
[03:39] <Rojola> I see
[03:39] <Rojola> thank you anyway!
[03:54] <tomreyn> Rojola: so i just tried mail merge on ubuntu 18.04, and i got a button called "Print merged documents" which shows up after running mail merge
[03:55] <tomreyn> Rojola: which ubuntu version are you on, do you have this button, too?
[03:56] <tomreyn> https://i.imgur.com/ZLbDAsT.png  the mail merge toolbar, the bottom one, only showed up after i finished mailmerge
[04:01] <Rojola> tomreyn, sorry for the late response, I was just very deep into libreoffice
[04:01] <Rojola> tomreyn, I found out how it works
[04:01] <Rojola> tomreyn, there are 2 options:
[04:01] <Rojola> Either you create the filename from the database-field
[04:01] <Rojola> or you save it manually
[04:01] <Rojola> only when saving it manually, ODT is an option!
[04:01] <Rojola> without generating the filename from the DB
[04:08] <tomreyn> glad you got it working
[04:17] <Rojola> thank you tomreyn
[04:17] <Rojola> good night
[04:47] <roothorick> Fresh 18.04 install, did apt update and switched to padoka PPA, now just get a blank purple screen instead of login screen. I can VT-switch and startx and get a fully functional X session that way so it can't be a driver issue (right?)
[04:47] <roothorick> disabling wayland in gdm3 custom.conf did not help
[04:47] <telescopeemoji3> DO WE AGREE!
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> telescopeemoji3: can we help you?
[04:47] <roothorick> apt update && apt dist-upgrade, rather
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: startx is not the way to go anymore, whats your graphics card chipset & driver version please?
[04:48] <roothorick> I know. startx works, gdm3 doesn't
[04:49] <roothorick> RX480 Mesa 19.0.1
[04:49] <telescopeemoji3> I just ate a whole pizza!
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> telescopeemoji3: only ubuntu support questions here please, this is not a chat
[04:50] <cfhowlett> telescopeemoji3= this is ubuntu support.  please stay on topic.  chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: we dont really support the use of ppa's perhaps try to invert it?
[04:51] <roothorick> You think the PPA driver is somehow breaking gdm3 and only gdm3? gnome-shell is fine
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: what was wrong with the driver ubuntu loaded?
[04:51] <roothorick> Too old for SteamVR. Actually Padoka stable may be too old as well, seems to be missing an extension
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: try a !nomodeset to get in your system again and revert the ppa, we can see from there
[04:53] <telescopeemoji3> YES WE DID
[04:56] <roothorick> I can get into the system fine with VT-switch
[04:56] <roothorick> Ctrl+Alt+F2, login and startx, fully functional Gnome session
[04:57] <roothorick> Reverted PPA to no effect
[04:57] <roothorick> wait
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: lets have a look at: sudo lshw -C video
[04:58] <roothorick> It initialized the HMD as a normal display
[04:58] <roothorick> so the login screen was on the HMD
[04:58] <roothorick> I thought there was a blacklist to prevent that?
[05:03] <tomreyn> what is HMD?
[05:06] <roothorick> Head-mounted display i.e. VR headset, in this case a Vive
[05:08] <tomreyn> ah, probably http://www.openhmd.net/
[05:09] <roothorick> actually no, I'm trying to get official SteamVR working
[05:10] <tomreyn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.15-Non-Desktop-Quirk discusses what you seem to be referring to.
[05:10] <roothorick> Bionic already is 4.15 though, right?
[05:10] <tomreyn> you read very fast
[05:11] <roothorick> I more remembered the article than anything
[05:11] <roothorick> I've been tinkering with VR for quite a while now
[05:11] <tomreyn> the bionic GA kernel is 4.15, yes, !HWE is 4.18 currently, hwe-edge is 5.0
[05:12] <tomreyn> HWE is supported here, PPAs are not.
[05:12] <tomreyn> (but trying padoka or oibaf is not a bad idea if HWE didn't help)
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: you might take a look here: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/first-steps-with-openvr-and-the-vive-on-linux.7229
[05:13] <roothorick> I have it working fine on my Nvidia rig
[05:14] <roothorick> but I want a Radeon system for comparisons as the software stack is very different and a critical feature is currently AMD only
[05:15] <telescopeemoji3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUlToHE_27U
[05:16] <tomreyn> telescopeemoji3: again, this channel is only about ubuntu support
[05:17] <tomreyn> telescopeemoji3: please do not post random other stuff here.
[05:17] <roothorick> hwe-edge didn't seem to make a difference on gdm picking up the HMD
[05:18] <telescopeemoji3> With a heavy heart!
[05:18] <telescopeemoji3> <3
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: did you try latest kernels yet?
[05:21] <roothorick> I think I know what's going on
[05:21] <roothorick> I have wayland forced off and need HWE Xorg for display leasing
[05:22] <roothorick> I'm about to play with a different PPA anyway, I think I can wing it from here
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> roothorick: the steamvr ppa from kisak has also usefull info
[05:22] <roothorick> that's exactly what I just found, lol
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> but we take our hands off that, being experimental and external ppa
[05:23] <roothorick> I intend for this system to hemorrhage from all edges so it's all good
[05:26] <roothorick> my laptop is the stable one, the reference install. I don't think it's even running HWE.
[05:35] <roothorick> HWE Xorg did the trick, now Gnome doesn't even acknowledge the HMD's existence but it's still showing up in xrandr (which for an AMD system is what you want)
[05:38] <telescopeemoji3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBosAirL8ds
[05:40] <tomreyn> !ops | telescopeemoji3
[05:41] <telescopeemoji3> !AF
[05:41] <el> telescopeemoji3: could you please stick to the topic
[06:19] <telescopeemoji3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fZuW-aJsg
[06:36] <voltagex> hi, how would I go about debugging this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brisk-menu/+bug/1764566?comments=all it still affects Eoan.
[06:50] <en7ropy> Hey folks, I'm having a problem doing an upgrade.  Process failed at updating apparmor.  Googled around.  Said to install a certain package.  When attempted, I get an error, "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."  Running that continuously fails when it gets to apparmor.  Anyone have any idea how to proceed?
[07:07] <x000> hey I can't find sensitivity configurations for magic trackpad 2 devices
[07:07] <x000> which are now supported on ubuntu 19.04
[07:07] <x000> any ideas where I can find this
[07:13] <eren_tr> Hello everyone
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> x000: can this help? https://github.com/robotrovsky/Linux-Magic-Trackpad-2-Driver
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> en7r0py: can you pastebin the full output from apt please, so volunteers can see the whole story
[07:17] <eren_tr> Can someone help me on this? I was looking for files created in certain dates and when I tried this code it gave me results from May 31 as well. I'm only looking for results from May 30
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> x000: i also made a bug for the apple magic mouse: bug #1822770 sensitivity was very high there, i had to set to very low in gnome settings
[07:17] <eren_tr> 6:47 PM <TJ-> TJ https://launchpad.net/~tj eren_tr: first create a file with the oldest timestamp you want, using "touch -t [YY]MMDDhhmm /tmp/timestamp" - e.g. "touch -t 1905310200 /tmp/timestamp" for 2am this morning, then use that with 'find' to locate all files created/modified since then, with "sudo find / -newer /tmp/timestamp -ls "
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> eren_tr: TJ- is afk for a while atm
[07:18] <eren_tr> can you tell what the problem with the code is perhaps?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> eren_tr: are you still searching your tmp kazam record?
[07:20] <eren_tr> lotuspsychje: Yes but there seems to be a missing 2Gb memory on my computer and I'm guessing Kazam created a few files on may 30th
[07:20] <coconut> Anyone knows of an ppa for opensnitch firewall?
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> coconut: we dont advice the use of external ppa's here
[07:21] <coconut> i see
[07:21] <eren_tr> lotuspsychje: I think I may have found the file, it is in dd format but it matches the date and time of recording
[07:33] <eren_tr> to anyone interested I found out its: touch -t 1905300000 /tmp/after; touch -t 1905302300 /tmp/before
[07:36] <xgene__>  /msg eren_tr what does that mean
[07:36] <xgene__>  /msg eren_tr 'what does that mean'
[07:40] <eren_tr> xgene__: sorry my chat app crashed
[07:40] <en7r0py> lotuspsychje: I got around my issue by stopping the apparmor service and then 'teardown'ed it.  After that attempting the dkpg was successful.  I then restarted the apparmor service.  Am I all set or did I screw something up by messing with apparmor being turned off and back on again?
[07:40] <eren_tr> xgene__: So, in order to find files created in a certain date one needs to do this:
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | en7r0py to see if apt still has errors
[07:42] <en7r0py> lotuspsychje: bash: !uptodate: event not found
[07:42] <eren_tr> xgene__:  TJ https://launchpad.net/~tj eren_tr: "touch -t 1905300000 /tmp/timestamp"  then "sudo find / -newer /tmp/timestamp -ctime +1 -ls "
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> en7r0py: read the following command:...
[07:42] <eren_tr> xgene__: eren_tr: you might need to play with those a little, or you could use 2 timestamps files e.g. "touch -t 1905300000 /tmp/after; touch -t 1905301200 /tmp/before" then "find / -newer /tmp/after -a -not -newer /tmp/before -ls "
[07:44] <en7r0py> lotuspsychje: I ran those commands. Everything seems good.  I was concerned with apparmor protecting things as it should be after I screwed with it
[07:45] <en7r0py> lotuspsychje: my fault.  I misunderstood the irc ! command
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> en7r0py: if apt is healthy, system is mostly too :p
[07:46] <en7r0py> lotuspsychje: haha ok.  thanks very much for your help!
[07:50] <en7r0py> !security
[07:55] <xgene__>   !security
[07:55] <xgene__> !root
[08:07] <Sbur3> I had done a bleachbit on my system.  It flagged some "uucp" things as possible problems.  I deleted them, thinking that I did well.  Now, on logon, my Ubuntu boot tells me that there is a problem that I no longer have the uucp.  How do I fix that?
[08:09] <tomreyn> Sbur3: are you sure about "uucp"? that's (mostly) a protocol from the past. can you gather the full error message?
[08:10] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I am booted up, so I would need to reboot, but it says that the session can't be properly configured.  And I am using Ubuntu 19.04
[08:13] <tomreyn> Sbur3: hmm, maybe if you look at    journalctl -b    towards the bottom you'll find the actual error message. i don't use bleachbit, but my understanding is that it only deletes configurations from your home directory, so whatever happened should not have been critical.
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> Sbur3: also at the right collumn of bleachbit, the dirs will show what have been deleted, can you provide us more details of that uucp
[08:23] <Sbur3> lotuspsychje: tomreyn: I looked at journalctl -b and found sessions opened and almost immediately closed.  I saw one instance of "permission denied". As for bleachbit, it wasn't just now that I had done that, and can't find the information about what it had done.  Also, I don't recall whether the bleachbit was or not by root
[08:29] <tomreyn> Sbur3: i guess just ignore it for now - if the issue persists (i assume it won't) capture the error message and ask again.
[08:29] <Sbur3> Ok
[08:29] <Sbur3> Thx
[08:40] <cnnx> I can't fix this error
[08:40] <cnnx> ./ethdcrminer64: error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:40] <cnnx> can someone help me please?
[08:51] <Sbur3> I'm back with the uucp question
[08:53] <Sbur3> "Error found when loading /etc/profile" then 10x "find: '/usr/lib/uucp':Permission denied" Followed by "As a result the session will not be configured correctly" and a "You should fix the problem as soon as feasible"
[08:55] <Sbur3> Is it and am I just a bother without importance, or is this something I should worry enough about to fix?
[08:59] <tomreyn> Sbur3: great that you could catch the message. which ubuntu version are you on there?  this would tell:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[08:59] <tomreyn> oh you said ubuntu 19.04 previously
[09:00] <Sbur3> tomreyn: this long command ... what is that?  Something I should type in a prompt?
[09:01] <tomreyn> Sbur3: can you run this and post the http address returned:   cat /etc/profile | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> cnnx: wich tutorial are you following?
[09:01] <tomreyn> Sbur3: the long command was for learning which ubuntu (and kernel, and desktop) you run, you'd post this in a temrinal, yes. but it's not strictly needed, since you already said you run ubuntu 19.04.
[09:02] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/6c7e
[09:03] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Actually, it's Ubuntu Studio 19.04, but that is basically the same, right?
[09:03] <tomreyn> Sbur3: okay, this is the standard, unmodified /etc/profile, i assume what is triggering the error message must be ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile then
[09:04] <cnnx> I fixed it lotuspsychje ty
[09:04] <Sbur3> tomreyn: So why is the message "error when loading /etc/profile"?
[09:05] <tomreyn> Sbur3: ubuntu studio uses the same 'foundation' as default ubuntu, yes, just defaults to the realtime kernel (i think, at least previous releases did), but this is not a huge difference.
[09:06] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Is there a fix and is it urgent or just better to do something?
[09:06] <ansyeb> hello. how am I supposed to isntall Oracle Java 1.8 JDK on ubuntu 18.04 now?
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> ansyeb: think they recently changed to version 11 now
[09:07] <ansyeb> but teamcity doesnt work with it
[09:07] <ansyeb> so I cannot isntll it on ubuntu right now? lul
[09:08] <tomreyn> Sbur3: i can't tell how urgent it is, do not yet understand the extend of the problem. can you run this as well:   dpkg -S /etc/profile.d/* 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> ansyeb: if you encounter a bug on ubuntu or an official package please !bug it
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> ansyeb: where did you get teamcity from?
[09:08] <ansyeb> https://www.jetbrains.com/teamcity/download/download-thanks.html?platform=linux
[09:09] <EriC^^> Sbur3: where do you get this message? does it show in "dmesg | grep uucp" anywhere?
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> ansyeb: https://teamcity-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360002480080-Getting-jdk-warning-for-openjdk-11
[09:10] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/juy0
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> Sbur3: can you tell us if you installed external ppa's or any other software that could have needed uucp?
[09:11] <Sbur3> EriC^^: Got no feedback from command line from that command
[09:11] <Sbur3> lotuspsychje: Not sure.
[09:12] <ansyeb> thats rediculous. gotta switch os now or what
[09:12] <ansyeb> ridi*
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> ansyeb: this is something the teamcity guys need to fix for java 11
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ansyeb: if you try java 8 on ubuntu that might get you in trouble or security issues
[09:14] <Sbur3> lotuspsychje: Is Snap in the category of ppas?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> Sbur3: no, snaps are supported on ubuntu
[09:15] <tomreyn> Sbur3: hmm okay, this latest command didn't provide more insight, maybe this will help:  sudo rgrep -F '/usr/lib/uucp' /etc 2<&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:15] <Sbur3> lotuspsychje: Where do I look for infos about any ppas installed?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> !sources | Sbur3
[09:17] <Sbur3> https://termbin.com/ziuv
[09:18] <Sbur3> tomreyn:
[09:18] <tomreyn> Sbur3: so what is /usr/lib/uucp/uudemon.day ?
[09:18] <tomreyn> dpkg -S /usr/lib/uucp/uudemon.day
[09:20] <x000> lotuspsychje: it didn't help with the trackpad 2 by the way for some reason ? I don't know how I can increase pressure sensitivity I have to literally press down and move the mouse
[09:20] <Sbur3> tomreyn: "uucp: /usr/lib/uucp/uudemon.day" is the response to the fpkg command
[09:21] <tomreyn> Sbur3: so do you actually use uucp?
[09:21] <Sbur3> tomreyn: *dpkg ... oops
[09:21] <Sh1G3Ru> hello. does anyone have an encounter with the hiddenwasp trojan?
[09:21] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I don't know what uucp is.  Does a program use it?  Is it a part of my installation that is useless?  Good question
[09:22] <tomreyn> Sbur3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUCP - if anything depends on it, you will notice when you try to uninstall it: sudo apt update && sudo apt purge uucp
[09:23] <tomreyn> Sh1G3Ru: we only do support questions here, not polls, are you affected by it?
[09:23] <Sbur3> tomreyn: And it could make the system crash if there was something depending on it?  Or would there be an error message in response to the apt update command?
[09:25] <tomreyn> Sbur3: if you confirmed the uninstallation prompt and thus uninstalled uucp, but something else depnded on uucp (which seems unlikely to me), you would probably see this other thing run into an error. neither the current situation nor purging uucp should have any critical impact to your system.
[09:25] <Sh1G3Ru> tomreyn, i did some scaning and searching on my system and seems alright. i wandered if anyone had the encounter if there is a specific place to look. ld.so.preload seems intact
[09:26] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Thx
[09:26] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Have a great day and thx
[09:27] <tomreyn> Sh1G3Ru: i would think that the ubuntu-security-announce mailing list would discuss this topic if it was a widespread issue. but so far there is no indication of it.
[09:28] <Sh1G3Ru> thanks tomreyn .
[09:28] <tomreyn> see the header on https://usn.ubuntu.com/ (http://security.ubuntu.com points there, too, if you need something easy to remember) for more information on this mailing list.
[09:33] <Sh1G3Ru> thanks again tomreyn , there is no mention at all over there. maybe it was not alarming after all. anyways better safe than sorry.
[09:33] <tomreyn> Sh1G3Ru: so far we do not know how (or how (un)successfully) this malware spreads, how systems get infected. without this, taking specific counter measures is not possible, but you can do what everyone should do and follow the most common principles of securely operating your systems.
[09:36] <Sh1G3Ru> tomreyn,  it needs the user to donwload and execute a script. i am not sure how or if it does privilege escalation.
[09:39] <tomreyn> Sh1G3Ru: if that's the infection vector then it won't spread far.
[09:41] <Sh1G3Ru> tomreyn, yeah i thought so. i was just trying to be on the safe side. there was some alarm over the net thou.
[09:48] <tomreyn> Sh1G3Ru: if you'd like to get a better idea of ubuntus security features and of how things work, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features#Features
[09:49] <Sh1G3Ru> tomreyn, you read my mind i was on those page already :P ;D
[09:50] <tomreyn> Sh1G3Ru: :) and if you're involved in securing ubuntu desktops in an organization, you may be interested in the UK governments' guidance on end user device security: https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/collection/end-user-device-security/platform-specific-guidance/ubuntu-18-04-lts
[09:53] <Sh1G3Ru> tomreyn, that looks interesting. but i kinda 'not qualify' for some stuff there since our systems are heavily modified. custom kernels etc.
[09:54] <tomreyn> general recommendations will still apply.
[09:56] <Sh1G3Ru> yes we are strictly following them. mac and selinux especially.
[09:58] <Sh1G3Ru> tomreyn, thanks for the help. i need to go now.
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:46] <LACampbell> what does it mean if I can't kill a process as root? permission denied when using the 'kill' command
[10:51] <lapion> LACampbell, what process are you trying to kill ?
[11:03] <ikanobori> Likely a kernel thread, but some more info would help.
[11:03] <ikanobori> I think those don't show a 'permission denied' either, they just don't die.
[11:08] <eren_tr> TJ-: hey TJ
[11:09] <eren_tr> BluesKaj: Hey Blues
[11:26] <BluesKaj> hi eren_tr
[11:28] <BluesKaj> eren_tr, do you have an ubuntu question?
[11:28] <eren_tr> actually I do
[11:29] <BluesKaj> then ask :-)
[11:39] <eren_tr> sorry for the delay, my computer froze. So my problem is this I had 2Gb's missing from memory the day before yesterday and I was trying to figure out if new files were created at that period
[11:40] <eren_tr> TJ- recommended  TJ https://launchpad.net/~tj eren_tr: "touch -t 1905300000 /tmp/timestamp"  then "sudo find / -newer /tmp/timestamp -ctime +1 -ls "
[11:40] <eren_tr> and  TJ https://launchpad.net/~tj eren_tr: you might need to play with those a little, or you could use 2 timestamps files e.g. "touch -t 1905300000 /tmp/after; touch -t 1905301200 /tmp/before" then "find / -newer /tmp/after -a -not -newer /tmp/before -ls "
[11:40] <eren_tr> do you know of a way to list files by creation date & how to show how much space they take in memory?
[11:44] <tomreyn> eren_tr: what do you mean by "2 GB missing from memory"?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> files don't take up space in memory, only on the drive they're stored in
[11:45] <BluesKaj> eren_tr,^
[11:45] <tomreyn> well they could be loaded into RAM, partially or fully, by some software, while this software is running. but that's quite irrlevant.
[11:45] <eren_tr> I mean 2Gb's are missing from my hard drive
[11:46] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, yeah temporarily when launched
[11:46] <tomreyn> oh okay. "memory" usually refers to RAM.
[11:46] <TJ-> tomreyn: rolling problem. eren_tr Lost a screencapture file recorded by kazam, but suspects it/parts may be somewhere on-disk due to believing the file-system is using 2GB more space than previously. System has been rebooted so no deleted files held open. Been suggesting various 'find' permutations to to track down possible files, and 'du'  etc
[11:46] <eren_tr> TJ-: Thanks TJ
[11:47] <TJ-> best intelligence is the file would have a timestamp of May 30th, so was using 'find' to list just files created in a narrow window
[11:48] <tomreyn> okay, makes sense to me now.
[11:48] <tomreyn> hmm, okay, so quite some effort went into re-discovering this already. is it worth spending more time on this, then, eren_tr ?
[11:48] <TJ-> hence the "touch -t 1905300000 /tmp/after; touch -t 1905301200 /tmp/before" then "find / -newer /tmp/after -a -not -newer /tmp/before -ls "
[11:49] <eren_tr> tomreyn: Yes the lost video file is very important, I'm willing to pay for it
[11:49] <TJ-> eren_tr: based on everything we've done so far I believe it has gone
[11:49] <TJ-> and I do have a little experience in data recovery :)
[11:50] <eren_tr> Oh my god you're right
[11:50] <eren_tr> I now have 3Gb's
[11:50] <eren_tr> I just restarted my computer
[11:51] <eren_tr> TJ-: I'm gonna try that suggestion you had where it might have been possible to recover it if the computer wasn't rebooted
[11:54] <ioria> eren_tr, you can set kazam to "auto save" , btw
[11:55] <eren_tr> ioria: It was set to auto save, the video was 3 hours long so that's probably why it couldn't save it
[11:55] <eren_tr> ioria: It was mentioned as a bug
[12:03] <eren_tr> TJ-: I have the space in my computer now, is it possible to find what was deleted now with data recovery?
[12:03] <TJ-> Bug #1183321
[12:04] <eren_tr> ok, reading it now
[12:04] <TJ-> eren_tr: almost impossible because the OS has been running since the file was lost. The only rela chance of recovery in these cases is to immediately shutdown the system and examine it on another system that isn't writing files to the device
[12:05] <eren_tr> TJ-: what if I shutdown the os now, and attempt recovery on another computer? I mean there has to be some way
[12:05] <TJ-> nope
[12:05] <Qantourisc> IO::Seekable::getpos missing at /usr/share/perl/5.22/FileHandle.pm line 60 <= not sure how to fix that
[12:06] <eren_tr> TJ-: Well thanks alot for all the time and support
[12:06] <TJ-> eren_tr: then only chance is shutting it down *immediately* the file is lost, before anything else has chance to re-use the space
[12:07] <eren_tr> TJ-: Here's the thing though that space was being used until a few minutes ago
[12:07] <eren_tr> TJ-: It opened up just now, can't a data recovery software find it?
[12:09] <TJ-> Qantourisc: IO::Seekable is part of perl-base, so possibly the version on your system doesn't have ::getpos
[12:09] <Qantourisc> TJ-: that sounds ... weird
[12:10] <TJ-> eren_tr: it's easier to find the user of file-system space when the file exists; after it's been unlinked there's almost no chance. Your best chance of finding what was using that space was with the 'find' tooling before the space was released
[12:10] <TJ-> Qantourisc: Yes, it does!
[12:10] <Qantourisc> TJ-: how could it not have IO::Seekable ? :/
[12:10] <eren_tr> TJ-: I saved the output of the find print. I'll recheck that now
[12:12] <Qantourisc> TJ-: i'll trace it top down now
[12:12] <eren_tr> TJ-: Just for future reference when an application allocates hard drive memory is find the best way to find where it may reside? or are there other options? I'm asking this becuause I can tell you're an expert on the subject
[12:13] <TJ-> Qantourisc: "grep -rn getpos /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/ "
[12:13] <Qantourisc> TJ-: it's in there
[12:13] <TJ-> Qantourisc: IO_Seekable is there; the problem is it doesn't seem to declare the sub getpos()
[12:14] <Qantourisc> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/POSIX.pm:59:    fgetpos     => 'IO::Seekable::getpos'
[12:15] <Qantourisc> There are also others missing: IO::Handle::DESTROY IO::File::new_tmpfile
[12:16] <eren_tr> TJ-: Also I did copy the tmp file to a usb but it wasn't 2Gb's of data
[12:16] <eren_tr> TJ-: Sorry all the tmp files
[12:17] <TJ-> Qantourisc: I'm on 18.04 (Perl 5.26) and I don't see several of the functions listed in FileHandle.pm, using "grep ^sub /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/IO/Seekable.pm"
[12:18] <Qantourisc> Sounds like I am going to be looking at restoring from backup .... :(
[12:18] <Qantourisc> this is going to be a bad bloody day
[12:20] <TJ-> Qantourisc: 18.04 is missing it too; it's very strange
[12:20] <Qantourisc> Also got stuff like "Socket object version 2.018 does not match bootstrap parameter 2.013 at /usr/share/perl/5.22/XSLoader.pm" going on
[12:22] <TJ-> Qantourisc: I'm very rusty at Perl internals, but from what I can tell, this is something to do with getpos() being implemented via C library fgetpos()
[12:23] <Qantourisc> i'm not sure to blaim ubuntu or the package to run either atm :(
[12:23] <Qantourisc> but the thing probably works on 1000's of pc's so ... install ?
[12:23] <Qantourisc> should I reinstall ALLL packages ?
[12:26] <Qantourisc> ok i am really stuck now
[12:27] <Qantourisc> I can't even run what I need to run to do the update for the package, and not sure if it's fixable, as it's a segfault
[12:27] <Qantourisc> :crosses fingers the backup is ok:
[12:30] <Qantourisc> restoring backup ....
[12:35] <da`borg> hello
[12:35] <coz_> hey
[12:37] <da`borg> what's up coz
[12:42] <qwebirc38497> hi, having some installation issues, anyone here to help? I could then explain more
[12:42] <tomreyn> qwebirc38497: you should
[12:43] <TJ-> Qantourisc: I find it confusing; in the POSIX module synopsis it says, for fgetpos, "Not implemented. Use method IO::Seekable::getpos()" !
[12:43] <tomreyn> qwebirc38497: there's almost always someone here to help with this
[12:43] <Qantourisc> TJ-: yea rollback before I started to update the distro is happening right now; I hope it runs then
[12:44] <Qantourisc> i'll update the packages, and look at upgrading the distro some other time
[12:44] <qwebirc38497> well, I am installing ubuntu on a 2013 laptop that I got for free. I downloaded rufus and created a bootable USB. I managed to boot into the installer, removed all partitions, added EFI partition and a main partition (/)
[12:44] <qwebirc38497> install started and then "a problem occured" and no more info
[12:44] <Qantourisc> Just hope it will work when restored
[12:45] <qwebirc38497> it put me on the ubuntu live desktop but I have no idea what to research as the problem
[12:46] <Qantourisc> TJ-: restored the distro update, no joy
[12:46] <TJ-> Qantourisc: which release did the system upgrade *from* ?
[12:46] <Qantourisc> I am in serious trouble now
[12:46] <TJ-> Qantourisc: and what software package are you trying to run that requires these?
[12:47] <Qantourisc> from trusty to xenial
[12:47] <Qantourisc> but eh
[12:47] <Qantourisc> I rolled that back
[12:47] <ioria> qwebirc38497, same result if you use the Automatic configuration ?
[12:47] <TJ-> ahhh, so quite old, so those modules could have fundamentally changed in the interim
[12:47] <tomreyn> qwebirc38497: you created an EFI system partition, so i assume your goal is to boot off a GPT paqrtitioned storage in (U)EFI mode. to install this way, you need to boot the installer in UEFI mode, too.
[12:48] <tomreyn> qwebirc38497: run this in a terminal to test:    echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[12:48] <qwebirc38497> you mean if I instruct the installer to "wipe the disk" and do the partition bits itself? yes
[12:49] <ioria> qwebirc38497, answer tomreyn  first, please
[12:49] <Qantourisc> TJ-: ok found some messy-files I played with, not it miight work again
[12:49] <qwebirc38497> sure
[12:49] <Qantourisc> ok atleast it's running now.
[12:49] <Qantourisc> I'll have to upgrade 1 distro upgrade at a time I think
[12:51] <qwebirc38497> terminal does not open on the live desktop I have running here. No information, just nothing happens when I start a terminal
[12:51] <ioria> qwebirc38497, reboot in live mode
[12:51] <ioria> qwebirc38497, and what ubuntu version ?
[12:52] <qwebirc38497> 18-4-2 amd64
[12:52] <ioria> qwebirc38497, ok, restart in live mode, if you cannot open a yterminal the iso (or the media) might be corrupted
[12:54] <qwebirc38497> yeah, I think I will go for a DVD, I haven't had that usb stick for very long...
[12:55] <qwebirc38497> just a question: assuming I do better with the DVD, is there a website that gives some QUICK guidance about boot partitions and ubuntu partitions?
[12:56] <qwebirc38497> I have had some tinker with GPT/EFI stuff before but not sure which one to go for, for my device
[12:56] <qwebirc38497> just that one works on older machines, the other works on newer machines
[13:00] <BluesKaj> UEFI was introduced in 2010
[13:01] <tomreyn> qwebirc38497: i'm not aware of a "quick" uefi partitioning guide. probably because there are many options.
[13:01] <tomreyn> there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[13:02] <qwebirc38497> I mean, I use centos for work and I've installed probably a hundred windows systems. Just not a pro like you guys and I don't want to spend my weekend just to get started with ubuntu :D
[13:03] <qwebirc38497> thanks, I will google a little bit for myself too
[13:03] <tomreyn> qwebirc38497: also i'd prefer installing from USB attached non optical (but flash or HDD or SSD) storages
[13:04] <qwebirc38497> thanks for the help so far
[13:04] <tomreyn> qwebirc38497: if you don't want to waste time and get started quickly, then just use the default (automatic) partitioniung scheme with LVM.
[13:05] <tomreyn> this way you can still make changes later. if you have windows installed there, yet, consider installing the latest firmwares before you overwrite it.
[13:18] <livingbeef> Any idea which kernel is on the 18.04 installation image?
[13:19] <livingbeef> installing on athlon 200ge and mint 19.1's image has some issue with video drivers
[13:20] <livingbeef> I fugured ubuntu could work, and I'd prefer LTS, but I'm not sure whether that will work
[13:20] <EriC^^> livingbeef: you could check the manifest of the iso
[13:20] <EriC^^> livingbeef: is it 18.04 or one of the point releases 18.04.1 etc?
[13:20] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[13:20] <livingbeef> I'm deciding what I'll download now
[13:21] <EriC^^> livingbeef: look at the manifest file between the files for downloading and look at the linux-image-generic package there for its version
[13:21] <oddcoder> what is ubuntu  cloud image default logins ?
[13:22] <livingbeef> ok, thx
[13:23] <EriC^^> np
[13:23] <oddcoder> I am trying to follow this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM64/QEMU
[13:23] <oddcoder> but now I ended up with loginshell and i don't know what are the credentials
[13:24] <EriC^^> oddcoder: try "ubuntu" with an empty password maybe?
[13:24] <oddcoder> not working
[13:24] <oddcoder> I also tried ubuntu:ubuntu
[13:24] <oddcoder> root:ubuntu
[13:24] <oddcoder> root:root
[13:25] <oddcoder> now it says "Maximum number of tries exceeded (5)" lol
[13:29] <gandhii> having trouble with cron running a job that use to work then at some point a month or so ago stopped running.. presumably after an update .  Anyone know where I'd find a log perhaps to see whats going on?
[13:32] <oddcoder> Eric^^: looks like ubuntu doesn't have a "default" password :\ so I justed went to recovery and am about to put a password
[13:36] <eren_trabc123abc> Hey guys, I have a question
[13:38] <eren_trabc123abc> I was recording a video with kazam however after selecting finish recording I had no file in videos and afterwards I had 2Gb's of data missing from my hard drive. After I rebooted the 2Gb's were back again. Is there any way to recover the lost 2Gb's somehow. I'm planning to buy a new computer at this point
[13:38] <eren_trabc123abc> This is really important to me any help is highly appreciated
[13:40] <Spookan> eren_trabc123abc: Can you check if the program stores the videofile in /tmp?
[13:41] <eren_trabc123abc> I have and I copied all files in the tmp directory to a usb but it wasn't over 100Mbs
[13:42] <Spookan> And this was after the reboot?
[13:45] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: yes, but the 2Gb's were still missing at that point
[13:45] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: I lost them after rebooting this time, I wan't to freeze my computer drive or something if that's possible
[13:46] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: so I can re-check it more carefully
[13:47] <Spookan> eren_trabc123abc: Well if it was in the /tmp folder before your reboot my guesses are that the file are deleted, maybe you can try to use a data recovery program...
[13:47] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: Ok, would I scan the tmp folder for that?
[13:48] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: I just want to be able to keep the computer frozen until I can take it to an expert
[13:49] <Spookan> eren_trabc123abc: Do you know the name of the file?
[13:50] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: no it was a .mux file when recording it that was actively being written however we used the find command yesterday to scan for .mux files in the computer and found none
[13:51] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: I want to know if I can save it's current state somehow so that I can scan it later
[13:52] <Spookan> Ok, then i guess you have to something like https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec to recover the file.
[13:52] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: ok, thanks for the link
[13:53] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: Is there a channel or a forum you can recommend for data recovery issues?
[13:54] <tomreyn> eren_trabc123abc: i'm pretty sure TJ took enough time to discuss all the potentially rewarding options with you.
[13:55] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: he did and I am thankful for that but at this point I'am looking to buy a new computer and scan this previous one with a read only method as he has mentioned
[13:55] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: not to mention I've been following each of his instructions step by step I just can't risk losing this file
[13:56] <tomreyn> it's really too late for that, you'd need to have done this right after you noticed the data loss.
[13:57] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: and what was the right way? It's not written online. I noticed it now, I'm willing to freeze the hard disk anything
[13:57] <tomreyn> from what i understood you rebooted from this system (in r/w mode) multiple times since.
[13:58] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: it is a 32gb computer on 1,44 ghz cpu it does not work with irc chat and firefox on
[13:58] <tomreyn> the right way is to ensure no more writes occur to the file system and underlying storage as soon as you notice (and it may already be too late then)
[13:58] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: ok how do I stop the writes?
[13:59] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: will just keeping the computer off do it? what?
[13:59] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn:how do I preserve it's current state
[13:59] <Spookan> Maybe make a backup image of the drive?
[14:00] <tomreyn> you could have booted from a live system, mounting the installed storage in read--only mode, create a backup. or just image the underlying storage.
[14:00] <tomreyn> but this option has long passed.
[14:00] <tomreyn> you can still try, of course. it's just very, very unlikely to still work.
[14:01] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: I am willing to put it in a fucking fridge
[14:01] <tomreyn> please watch the language
[14:01] <tomreyn> a fridge wont help
[14:02] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: ok, despite all the faults. What do I do?
[14:03] <tomreyn> hire someone to try and recover the data, which wont work, and concentrate on re-creating the content that was lost.
[14:04] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: alright that's the plan. Until I hire the person, will keeping it off preserve it in it's mistake ridden state or do I need to keep it on or something else?
[14:05] <tomreyn> if it's about weeks, not years, just keep it off
[14:05] <eren_trabc123abc> tomrey:weeks, got it.
[14:05] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: if years, what do I do?
[14:06] <tomreyn> your data recovery specialist will tell you which precautions to take.
[14:06] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: ok, thank you
[14:07] <tomreyn> by the way, i'm a volunteer and may provide silly suggestions, if you want commercial support from Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, that's available, too.
[14:08] <eren_trabc123abc> tomreyn: I really didn't find any of it silly. Thanks I'll contact them now
[14:08] <tomreyn> good luck
[15:14] <shinka> echo "$A $B" will expand $A and $B, echo '$A $B' will not, but what if I want $A expanded but not $B?
[15:14] <EriC^^> shinka: echo $A '$B' ?
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> shinka: maybe in ##linux or #programming
[15:15] <EriC^^> shinka: there's always echo "$A \$B"
[15:16] <shinka> Eric^^: Alright, thanks!
[15:56] <kinghat> can you not have firefox and firefox dev on the puter at the same time?
[16:41] <eren_trabc123abc> does anyone know where to find previous chat history, is it logged somewhere?
[16:41] <Spookan> eren_trabc123abc: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[16:42] <eren_trabc123abc> Spookan: thx spookan
[17:08] <Sbur3> I tried to join #hardware, to no avail. Before I buy it, I want to know if the Tenda W15E wifi router is compatible with Ubuntu
[17:10] <Sbur3> And whether or not it could, with an adapter, work in Europe with a different voltage and frequency
[17:10] <xamithan> Why are you asking here,  go to ##hardware
[17:11] <xamithan> Also i've never seen a router run Ubuntu
[17:13] <miracee> xamithan: why not? I usually use openbsd but why not using debian/ubuntu for router?
[17:14] <xamithan> As a router,  sure.  Putting it ON an actual router ?
[17:15] <Sbur3> xamithan What I a. trying to ask is ... Linux had problems with peripherals like scanners or other.
[17:16] <xamithan> scanners and printers require drivers on the client systems,  Wifi has cards on the client systems that needs to be compatible,  it doesn't have anything to do with the router itself
[17:17] <Sbur3> xamithan I don’t want to buy something (My wife and I will be in a bigger house in the country) ... unless I am sure that the wifi would be strong and fast anywhere in the house
[17:18] <xamithan> Well that has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[17:18] <xamithan> You can ask for recommendations in ##networking or ##hardware
[17:19] <Sbur3> xamithan ok. but in the past, some peripherals used chips that weren’t supported well
[17:21] <xamithan> The actual Wifi chipset on the adapter needs to be compatible with your OS, not your router
[17:25] <b1nny> hello :) I've just installed Ubuntu 19.04 and the dead key behaviour is annoying me, I'll try to explain it the best I can. So I'm using US Intl. with dead keys and when I press "'"" it first shows a tick (´) as a temporary character (it is underlined) and I can then hit another button to apply the modifier or enter a special character. However, this seems to break VSCode's automatic double ' entry for
[17:25] <b1nny> example. Is there any way to turn off this temporary tick placeholder?
[17:25] <b1nny> this is the first time I've seen this, I don't have it on Arch nor Fedora
[17:30] <b1nny> this is what it looks like when I hit "'" once: https://i.imgur.com/4BLxyMx.png
[17:32] <raindev> I've got a problem with wake on LAN: I can wake up the machine if it's turned off but not when it's suspended.
[17:33] <raindev> I _think_ I've got the issue after upgrading to 19.04 but I'm not sure.
[17:33] <raindev> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to debug the problem.
[17:34] <raindev> I found this very old forums post: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1642272. But in my case I don't have any NetworkManager sleep scripts.
[17:46] <raindev> Found in the system logs written during suspend sequence: r8169 0000:18:00.0 enp24s0: Link is Down
[17:46] <raindev> So apparently something is shutting down the link.
[18:06] <raindev> Looks like it might be a known problem with the Realtek NIC I have: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wake-on-LAN#Realtek
[18:07] <raindev> Strange I didn't experience the issue before.
[18:30] <raindev> The culprit was r8169 kernel module, as ArchWiki mentioned.
[18:31] <raindev> Replaced it by r8168 (r8168-dkms) and WoL started working from suspend as well.
[18:38] <geirha> b1nny: add the non-deadkey layout to your keyboard layouts perhaps? it's easy to switch between them
[18:40] <b1nny> geirha: I could :) but I would rather figure out why Ubuntu is (seemingly) messing this up
[18:41] <geirha> sounds more like it's a vscode issue
[18:41] <b1nny> geirha: on my arch laptop with vscode it works fine
[18:41] <b1nny> my issue is the placeholder character that is shown (see the screenshot)
[18:41] <b1nny> well, I believe that that is my issue, I can't figure out how to get rid of it though
[18:42] <b1nny> do you have any ideas maybe?
[18:45] <ioria> b1nny, if you press AltGr ?
[18:46] <b1nny> ioria: then I get "é" or "'" for example, immediately
[18:47] <b1nny> it doesn't disable this 'visual' dead key modifier thing though
[18:49] <ioria> b1nny, well, it does for me ... (but on 18.04) ;  try to manually set ' setxkbmap -layout us -variant intl '
[18:50] <b1nny> ioria: command didn't do anything :/
[18:52] <b1nny> if I change my layout to English US in gnome settings I do get ' when I press the "' "" button though, but I would prefer to have dead keys :)
[18:53] <Carlito98890> hello
[19:04] <b1nny> ioria: do you happen to know which application handles the keyboard layouts on ubuntu? Would that be xkb?
[19:09] <ioria> b1nny, by now,  i  think is gnome setting daemon
[19:09] <b1nny> ioria: hm okay
[19:10] <ioria> b1nny, nothing changes if you set ' setxkbmap -layout us -variant altgr-intl -option deadkeys' ?
[19:11] <b1nny> ioria: that command causes ' to appear immediately if I hit "' ""
[19:11] <b1nny> and if I do altGR + "' "" I get the ´ with an underline again
[19:12] <b1nny> like in this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/4BLxyMx.png
[19:19] <ioria> b1nny, and what behaviour are you looking for exactly ?
[19:20] <b1nny> ioria: I do not want it to show the underline thing
[19:20] <b1nny> to my knowledge dead keys are always 'invisible'
[19:20] <b1nny> you press them, nothing happens, and they modify the next character you press
[19:20] <b1nny> they don't show this underline thing
[19:26] <ioria> b1nny, what's in your  cat /etc/default/keyboard  ?
[19:26] <b1nny> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XpKNC5Gq4R/
[19:27] <b1nny> default contents, I installed Ubuntu 19.04 earlier this evening
[19:27] <ioria> b1nny, i have dvorak-intl
[19:28] <b1nny> dvorak is an alternative keyboard layout I think :)
[19:28] <b1nny> (ie. non-qwerty)
[19:31] <ioria> b1nny, ok, i-am using now thye same, but i don-t get the underline
[19:32] <b1nny> ioria: if you hit your "' "" button, do you immediately get ' or is it a deadkey?
[19:35] <Apachez> jun 01 21:31:10 nuc gnome-session-binary[1073]: CRITICAL: Unable to create a DBus proxy for GnomeScreensaver: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.ScreenSaver: GDBus.Err
[19:35] <ioria> b1nny, with my kb, if i hit ' i got '- ' , i need to press the key next to Return
[19:37] <ioria> b1nny, i suggest you check the 'Show Keybord Layout'
[19:38] <b1nny> ioria: in gnome settings?
[19:38] <ioria> b1nny, also from the kb indicator in panel
[19:38] <b1nny> ioria: I don't have a keyboard indicator :)
[19:39] <ioria> b1nny, dead keys it's not default afaik
[19:40] <ioria> b1nny, so you should have an alternative and that triggers the panel indicator to show
[19:41] <b1nny> ioria: ah right I see, the layout I see there looks fine to me
[19:44] <ioria> b1nny, sy, no other ideas
[19:44] <b1nny> ioria: no problem :) thanks for helping!
[19:44] <ioria> ok
[20:17] <LimeT> hi
[20:17] <LimeT> I am on a virtual server and apt / apt-get constantly wants to remove "linux-image-extra-4.4.0-96-generic"
[20:18] <LimeT> however I can not delete it - the vserver won't let me
[20:18] <LimeT> how can I tell apt or apt-get to just ignore this package
[20:18] <EriC^^> LimeT: maybe put a hold on it
[20:19] <EriC^^> apt-mark hold <package>
[20:19] <EriC^^> (im just guessing, no idea)
[20:19] <EriC^^> does apt want to remove it part of the autoremove feature?
[20:20] <LimeT> oh dear
[20:20] <LimeT> that made it worse
[20:20] <LimeT> can I unhold it?
[20:20] <EriC^^> how so?
[20:20] <EriC^^> apt-mark unhold <package>
[20:20] <LimeT> EriC^^, first paste:  https://dpaste.de/uC3p/raw
[20:20] <LimeT> that was before "hold"
[20:20] <LimeT> wait, I paste the new output
[20:21] <LimeT> EriC^^, https://dpaste.de/uJnj/raw
[20:21] <LimeT> thank you for your help, EriC^^
[20:22] <OerHeks> that kernel is current, for xenial, so show us why it wants to be removed?
[20:22] <kappa1> how can I wipe an hdd with dd ?
[20:22] <EriC^^> apparently it has a dependency breakage
[20:22] <LimeT> OerHeks, apt / apt-get want to remove it
[20:22] <EriC^^> kappa1: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4M
[20:23] <LimeT> OerHeks, I am just trying to install the certbot (let's encrypt)
[20:23] <LimeT> These are the commands I must run:
[20:23] <LimeT> https://dpaste.de/icYq/raw
[20:23] <EriC^^> LimeT: please type "uname -r"
[20:23] <OerHeks> linux-image-extra-4.4.0-96 or wireless-crda ..
[20:23] <LimeT> but "linux-image-extra-4.4.0-96-generic"  stands in my way
[20:23] <LimeT> EriC^^, 2.6.32-042stab132.1
[20:23] <kappa1> EriC^^, how much time should I expect from that command? and the hdd is encrypted so I can perhaps erase at just some blocks
[20:24] <EriC^^> kappa1: that depends on the size of the hdd and its speed
[20:24] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[20:24] <EriC^^> kappa1: encrypted how? luks?
[20:25] <OerHeks> 2.6 ... this sounds like OpenVZ ??
[20:25] <LimeT> OerHeks, it's a virtual server
[20:25] <OerHeks> lolz, they do not support kernel updates
[20:25] <EriC^^> LimeT: i'd just reinstall the linux-image ubuntu packages, your vps doesnt seem to use it anyways but at least apt would function properly
[20:25] <LimeT> EriC^^, it's a vserver, that won't work
[20:25] <LimeT> I can't update the kernel
[20:25] <kappa1> EriC^^, with encryptfs, it's just home folder
[20:26] <kappa1> 1TB hdd
[20:26] <EriC^^> LimeT: i know, just in apt
[20:26] <EriC^^> LimeT: type "sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.4.0-96-generic" and paste what it gives
[20:26] <OerHeks> openVZ/Vagrant ..
[20:26] <OerHeks> remove that kernel and the stuff that pulled that kernel in?
[20:27] <EriC^^> kappa1: usually 90mb/s so 1000mb would be around 3hours to write it all out in zeros
[20:27] <EriC^^> *1000gb
[20:28] <EriC^^> kappa1: if you just care about erasing your home dir you dont have to write zeros to the whole hdd, you could write zeros to the partition where the home dir is located
[20:28] <kappa1> oh that's interesting
[20:28] <LimeT> EriC^^, OerHeks https://dpaste.de/Nztn/raw
[20:28] <kappa1> what's the relevance of the bs=4M option?
[20:29] <b1nny> geirha: I fixed the issue, it was caused by ibus :)
[20:29] <b1nny> after setting /etc/X11/xinit/xinputrc to none and removing the xinputrc file in my own homedir & restarting it finally works as expected
[20:29] <EriC^^> LimeT: it seems it'll want to install grub as part of the dependencies, i think an easier approach would be to force remove the kernel package using dpkg
[20:30] <LimeT> EriC^^, what if this renders the vserver unusable?
[20:30] <EriC^^> i doubt, it's already not using the kernel, you dont even seem to have the linux-image (kernel) package installed
[20:31] <EriC^^> kappa1: the bs is the block size dd uses for the input output blocks, it's the chunks at a time that it writes the data in
[20:31] <LimeT> EriC^^, there is a real website running on this system
[20:31] <LimeT> EriC^^, and some project management software
[20:31] <LimeT> I can't bust it now
[20:31] <EriC^^> kappa1: default is 512bytes, so using 4M(b) makes it a lot faster, 10 fold usually
[20:31] <Bashing-om> LimeT: As I lurk - what is the booting kernel version ` uname -r ` ? That one you do not want to mess with :)
[20:32] <LimeT> Bashing-om, 2.6.32-042stab132.1
[20:32] <OerHeks> LimeT, vagrant/openvz is not supported by ubuntu, and what did you install that pulled in that kernel?
[20:32] <LimeT> OerHeks, I have no idea
[20:32] <OerHeks> fix that, or put pack a bakcup?
[20:32] <LimeT> I can't remember installing this kernel
[20:32] <EriC^^> LimeT: well, then i guess you can install the packages so the dependency gets satisfied
[20:33] <EriC^^> really i dont see how it could break the server to remove the linux-image-extra package forcefully, given your running the 2.6 kernel it wont be using any of the modules and 'extras' that package provides
[20:34] <EriC^^> maybe it's not even unpacked, try "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii" and paste
[20:34] <LimeT> ok EriC^^
[20:34] <LimeT> OerHeks, my provider does not offer backup and restore in any form
[20:35] <LimeT> EriC^^, https://dpaste.de/gpOO/raw
[20:35] <LimeT> OerHeks, due to legal reasons, I have to use a European Provider
[20:35] <LimeT> OerHeks, this is not a fancy provider with many options
[20:37] <EriC^^> it's half-installed
[20:37] <LimeT> how's that even possible?
[20:38] <EriC^^> no idea, something pulled it in alone and for some reason it couldnt install the linux-image and crda and whatever packages
[20:39] <LimeT> where did you see that it's half-installed?
[20:39] <LimeT> is this what you had in mind?
[20:39] <LimeT> dpkg purge linux-image-extra-4.4.0-96-generic
[20:39] <EriC^^> LimeT: not really, dpkg -P --force-all linux-image-extra....
[20:40] <EriC^^> if you want a safe route you could try installing the linux-image package and whatnot using the --no-install-recommends so it doesnt pull in grub and whatnot
[20:40] <LimeT> https://dpaste.de/S7Fs/raw
[20:41] <EriC^^> honestly i dont see what could depend on that half-installed package, but who knows i guess.. in any case you should have backups for sure
[20:41] <EriC^^> it says rH next to it, the top lines explain the rc and rH and whatnot
[20:43] <LimeT> can I trick apt-get into thinking the package was uninstalled?
[20:44] <EriC^^> yeah i was about to kinda suggest that
[20:44] <EriC^^> though it's hacky
[20:44] <LimeT> the system will run for another 4 weeks
[20:44] <EriC^^> LimeT: try dpkg -R --force-all instead of -P first
[20:44] <LimeT> then a new server will be replacing this one
[20:45] <EriC^^> ok
[20:45] <LimeT> https://dpaste.de/b5OO/raw
[20:45] <LimeT> that does not work at all
[20:46] <EriC^^> LimeT: ah, -r not -R, my bad
[20:46] <LimeT> thank you EriC^^
[20:47] <LimeT> https://dpaste.de/gA4s/raw
[20:48] <LimeT> I just found out, that I can not install _anything_
[20:48] <EriC^^> ok, seems like it wont remove it, you could edit /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:48] <LimeT> it's not only the certbot
[20:48] <LimeT> I can't even install "aptitude"
[20:49] <EriC^^> LimeT: yeah, dpkg is in a pending state
[20:49] <LimeT> what should I change it into?
[20:50] <LimeT> https://dpaste.de/n4U5/raw
[20:50] <EriC^^> search for the package, and change it's status to Status: deinstall ok config-files
[20:51] <LimeT> thank you - brb I an trying it
[20:51] <EriC^^> that should make it think it's removed but not purged, an "rc" status, apt should work i guess
[20:51] <LimeT> please don't leave me now!
[20:51] <LimeT> I will be right back
[20:51] <EriC^^> no problem, no worries
[20:53] <LimeT> yeah!
[20:53] <LimeT> that works!
[20:53] <EriC^^> yay
[20:53] <LimeT> thank you sooooooooo much! :)
[20:53] <LimeT> apt-get is installing
[20:53] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[20:57] <LimeT> heh, that worked so well
[20:57] <LimeT> thank you again, EriC^^
[20:57] <LimeT> also thank you OerHeks !
[20:57] <OerHeks> LimeT, have fun!
[20:58] <LimeT> I am just trying to get let's encrypt working the first time
[20:58] <LimeT> https://dpaste.de/hm60/raw
[20:58] <LimeT> what do I want?
[20:58] <LimeT> 1 or 2 ?
[20:59] <EriC^^> if you want exclusive https then 2, so when users type http://yoursite it goes to https://yoursite by itself
[20:59] <LimeT> yes, https exclusively
[20:59] <LimeT> so 2
[20:59] <LimeT> thank you
[21:00] <LimeT> what the heck...  "your cert will expire on 2019-08-30"
[21:00] <LimeT> why so early?
[21:01] <OerHeks> paid may give other options
[21:03] <EriC^^> there's a cronjob you can add that helps to autorenew that may or may not work sometimes
[21:03] <TJ-> LimeT: LE certs are typically for 90 days
[21:04] <LimeT> I'll add it to my calender
[21:04] <LimeT> thank you!
[21:09] <Carlito98890> someone who can help with this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1831301
[21:10] <TJ-> !info certbot | LimeT this will renew automatically
[21:13] <OerHeks> Carlito98890, 18.,04 with 5.x kernel, did you install HWE-edge?
[21:13] <OerHeks> or just the kernel from mainline?
[21:14] <Carlito98890> i don't know i'm newbe, i did follow users commands
[21:15] <OerHeks> current kernel 18.04 + hwe ( normal) would give 4.18.0-20, and i think your soundcard(s) will work, you have chosen a testing hwe..
[21:15] <OerHeks> !hwe
[21:15] <Carlito98890> actually in system-audio i can see due cards, but audio doesn't works
[21:17] <OerHeks> oh this EZbook issue...
[21:22] <Steven_> does anyone have a working kickstart/preseed file for a fully automated setup of ubuntu 19.04 desktop?
[22:04] <Blankspace> Hi
[22:04] <Blankspace> Can anyone help me with small query
[22:04] <Blankspace> I am not able to connect to my wifi
[22:04] <Blankspace> On u ubuntu
[22:05] <Blankspace> Is there something I can check or do
[22:05] <Blankspace> Please help.
[22:08] <ahi2_> wht cant you connect?
[22:08] <Blankspace> To WiFi network
[22:08] <LimeT> I have a problem
[22:08] <Blankspace> It doesn't show wifi
[22:08] <Blankspace> Connections
[22:08] <LimeT> so, in the past, I could always reach my virtual server via its IP address
[22:09] <LimeT> now, after rebooting it,  I can only reach it via a domain name
[22:09] <ahi2_> so you dont have a wifi driver?
[22:09] <LimeT> via IP address, I can NOT access anything (not SSH, not Apache, not proFTPd)
[22:09] <Blankspace> How to check that
[22:09] <LimeT> how is this possible?
[22:09] <LimeT> the IP should work!
[22:09] <Blankspace> It was working earlier
[22:09] <TJ-> LimeT: presumably the IP address is not the one the hostname resolves to
[22:09] <jeremy31> Blankspace: To get an overview of the wifi detail, run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post the termbin URL in chat after the second command is run
[22:09] <Blankspace> I don't know if I pressed something or changed switch
[22:10] <LimeT> TJ-, let me check - brb
[22:10] <LimeT> TJ-, nope - same IP
[22:10] <TJ-> Blankspace: did you accidentally enable/press/slide the physical radio switch (RF kill switch)
[22:11] <LimeT> TJ-, I tried:  # ping www.....
[22:11] <Blankspace> I tried switching it both side
[22:11] <Blankspace> It doesn't work either way
[22:12] <Blankspace> I mean I changed it back to WiFi side
[22:12] <TJ-> Blankspace: check "rfkill list" to see the state as the OS sees it
[22:12] <Blankspace> It says hard blocked: yes
[22:13] <jeremy31> Blankspace: what computer make and model?
[22:13] <Blankspace> For wireless lan
[22:13] <Blankspace> Lenovo 420
[22:13] <Blankspace> Thinkpad
[22:14] <Blankspace> L420
[22:14] <jeremy31> Blankspace: check the switch on the front, left side
[22:15] <Blankspace> Which side should it be
[22:15] <TJ-> Blankspace: hard blocked means the physical switch
[22:16] <Blankspace> It worked thanks
[22:16] <Blankspace> I had been trying earlier too
[22:16] <Blankspace> But it was not happening
[22:16] <TJ-> Blankspace: I had a Sony Vaio once where the switch was a slider, and it had to be forcefully sent to one side to make it go off... only needed keyboard tapping to make it vibrate to blocked!
[22:16] <Blankspace> You all are very helpful :)
[22:16] <Blankspace> Thank you.
[22:17] <TJ-> there was another model where the slider was next to the laptop lid lift-tab, so it was real easy to diable radio when opening the lid
[22:18] <Blankspace> Yes it shouldn't be located at such places .more In the back side
[22:18] <Blankspace> So as to prevent accidental sliding
[22:18] <algid> hello
[22:19] <TJ-> I have some Dell XPS where its under the Expresscard slot and real easy to nudge, too
[22:19] <algid> can anyone advise me on whether i should be able to get a new connection from my cable modem when reboot it, without rebooting ubuntu?
[22:19] <algid> and if so, the best method
[22:19] <TJ-> Blankspace: it should be a great big RED switch, the size of your thumb :)
[22:20] <TJ-> algid: rebooting a modem/router should never require rebooting a PC
[22:20] <algid> yet it always does on both my laptops
[22:20] <algid> it will say connected but i will not have a connection
[22:20] <algid> even without resolving domain names
[22:20] <Blankspace> Big Red will definitely alert to be cautious
[22:22] <TJ-> algid: sounds like something to do with cloned Ethernet MAC addressing
[22:23] <TJ-> algid: if that is the case you should talk to your ISP support about it
[22:33]  * cyp3d test
[22:34] <oddcoder> hello again
[22:34] <oddcoder> I finally managed to get aarch64 ubuntu running in qemu
[22:35] <oddcoder> I tried resizing the paritions to increase the 2GB image to ~12 GB
[22:35] <oddcoder> but I ran to problem of error: unknown filesystem. Entering rescue mode... grub rescue>
[22:36] <oddcoder> now this is qemu arm64 image running in x86_64
[22:36] <oddcoder> tried googling and stuff
[22:37] <oddcoder> reached to the step of identifying ls (hd2,gpt2)/boot/grub/arm64-efi/ which is the efi modules folder
[22:37] <oddcoder> not sure whether to ask here or in #grub
[22:47] <RoadRunner> can't connect to internet with Firefox; other apps connect fine
[22:49] <ahi2_> RoadRunner: that happened to me yesterday. reboot and it worked again
[22:50] <ahi2_> dont know why
[22:50] <OerHeks> visit about:profiles , on the top-right corner of the page there is a button that says "Restart normally...", click this, the browser will restart itself, and magically it loads pages again
[22:50] <OerHeks> known issue
[22:55] <RoadRunner> ahi2_: this worked for me before too but no longer
[22:55] <RoadRunner> OerHeks: tried your suggestion - same behaviour
[22:55] <ahi2_> weird
[22:56] <RoadRunner> if it makes any diff I am on 16.04 LTS (Xubuntu)
[22:56] <ahi2_> im on 18.04
[22:56] <ahi2_> xubuntu also
[22:57] <ahi2_> RoadRunner: does your firefox ever freeze the screen?
[22:57] <TJ-> RoadRunner: have you seen this? (assuming you can visit it) https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-cant-load-websites-other-browsers-can
[22:57] <RoadRunner> ahi2_: no just searching for a page
[22:58] <RoadRunner> TJ-: I'd have to power on another box...
[22:58] <ahi2_> or try chromium
[22:58] <TJ-> RoadRunner: or use the terminal: "w3m https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-cant-load-websites-other-browsers-can "
[22:58] <oddcoder> ubuntu grub arm ninjas around ?
[22:59] <RoadRunner> OerHeks: using Firefox 67.0  64 bit
[22:59] <TJ-> This seems to be a growing problem with the new profile-handling in 67
[22:59] <RoadRunner> its a show stoper !
[23:01] <TJ-> RoadRunner: to get FF up and running temporarily you can do, in a terminal "firefox -ProfileManager" and create a new profile whilst you figure out a solution
[23:02] <TJ-> RoadRunner: profiles are stored in directories under $HOME/.mozillla/firefox/
[23:03] <ahi2_> creating a new profile didn't work for me
[23:05] <tomreyn> is this related to bug 1830096 or is it separate?
[23:06] <TJ-> tomreyn: good point; very well may be
[23:06] <OerHeks> properly kill firefox after change? pkill firefox
[23:07] <tomreyn> TJ-: i've seen several reports of "firefox can't load any web page" during the past days - which for anyone using this as a default browser would also prevent reporting it as a bug - but have not seen a bug report about it, yet.
[23:08] <tomreyn> so maybe we have an opportunity to file a bug report here which is missing
[23:09] <TJ-> tomreyn: what's interesting is I *think* it doesn't affect anyone with multiple profiles, only those with the single default profile, whic ih is why I believe it is directly related to the new profile-per-ff-version handling code (which doesn't touch multi-profile installs)
[23:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: and the -version- part of that could be broken by bug 1830096
[23:12] <tomreyn> either way, it would probably help if RoadRunner could post a new bug report (which can later be marked as a duplicate) by running    DISPLAY= ubuntu-bug firefox
[23:13] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: do you think this is something you could do?
[23:13] <tomreyn> TJ-: this is a reasonable theory, though, IMO
[23:14] <TJ-> tomreyn: agreed
[23:15] <OerHeks> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=firefox+67
[23:15] <OerHeks> interesting https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553422
[23:24] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: ok, so how would you like me to file this report?  Where? The only info I can give in it are my version numbers.
[23:25] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: please open a temrinal window and run:   DISPLAY= ubuntu-bug firefox
[23:25] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: then follow the instructions on screen to create a bug report
[23:34] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: do you need any help with this?
[23:36] <kyle__> I've run into an odd problem where first an update broke the options I had in /etc/crypttab, and then when I booted & chrooted into the system (using a live image), update-initram -k all -u didn't create the proper files.  How can you force it to actually build the initramfs so that it knows it's encrypted and to propmt, etc?
[23:37] <TJ-> kyle__: you have to mount procfs sysfs devfs into the chroot
[23:37] <kyle__> Well yeah, that's a basic part of making your chroot function.
[23:38] <TJ-> no, it's not needed for a chroot; many people forget those steps though when needing to rebuild GRUB and other boot/device related issues
[23:38] <kyle__> It's not creating some file in /conf/ I don't recall the exact name.
[23:38] <TJ-> kyle__: /conf/conf.d/cryptroot ?
[23:39] <kyle__> TJ-: sounds like it
[23:39] <kyle__> Also, most of the time I've needed to chroot in the past few years was to run update-initramfs, so maybe I'm just biased as to what's "basic functionality" with it ;)
[23:40] <TJ-> kyle__: OK, so first thing I'd recommend is redo the update-intramfs using the additional "-v" flag to be verbose and capture to a log so we can look. e.g. "update-initamfs -vu -k <versions> |& tee /tmp/initrd.log"
[23:41] <TJ-> kyle__: the cryptsetup initramfs-tools hook scripts will report scanning fstab/crypttab looking for the root-fs device, and from that generating the /conf/conf.d/cryptroot
[23:41] <TJ-> kyle__: if that step is failing we can investigate in the chroot why
[23:42] <kyle__> oof, I forgot how verbose this was
[23:42] <kyle__> should have > instead of teed
[23:42] <TJ-> kyle__: I *love* verbose; makes debugigng easier
[23:42] <TJ-> kyle__: I like to ensure folks see the info I'm asking them to collect :)
[23:44] <kyle__> I'm going to assume the line would actually reference /conf/conf.d in the output?
[23:44] <TJ-> no
[23:44] <TJ-> the key to grep for would be "crypt"
[23:44] <kyle__> "Calling hook cryptroot-unlock"
[23:44] <kyle__> ?
[23:44] <TJ-> if you can "pastebinit /tmp/initrd.log" I'll take a look
[23:45] <kyle__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5yD5Xppcy3/
[23:47] <TJ-> action starts on line 1215
[23:52] <TJ-> kyle__: all that looks good, so let's check what was created. " pastebinit <( sudo lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.20.15-042015-generic ) "
[23:53] <kyle__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zkF4BNfX9k/
[23:53] <TJ-> kyle__: looks good, it has created a cryptroot
[23:54] <kyle__> I can try it again in about 17 minutes.  Have to wait for a transfer to finish before I bounce again.
[23:55] <kyle__> Odd.  This is the exact thing I ran last time.
[23:55] <TJ-> kyle__: you could extract it and check the content is accurate too, with " mkdir /tmp/initrd; cd /tmp/initrd; sudo unmkinitramfs /boot/intrd.img-4.20.15-042015-generic; cat conf/conf.d/cryptroot "
[23:56] <TJ-> kyle__: then check that matches /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab for root-fs
[23:58] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: bug report submitted as requested; hope this will aid in a quick resolution
[23:59] <TJ-> kyle__: the other thing I'd check is the grub.cfg, and the "linux ... root=XXXX" matches that