[06:57] <sintez> anny
[17:04] <faLUCE> hello. touchpad on my dell inspiron mini is not working properly. More precisely, lubuntu sees the lower part of the touchpad (where there are the two buttons) like the remaining part, so it mixes buttons and mouse movement... how can I fix that?
 @faLUCE [<faLUCE> hello. touchpad on my dell inspiron mini is not working properly. More …], Umm. That's wierd. Which lubuntu version?
[17:56] <faLUCE> the version is 18.10
 @faLUCE [<faLUCE> the version is 18.10], Ohh. I don't have much idea. Wait someone here will respond soon.
 Test with 19.04
[19:03] <wxl> @faLUCE: you should try using libinput (or less preferably synaptics) to try to tweak it to make it behave well
[19:10] <bobish> coming over from another mini-ish distro, lubuntu is missing some of the most basic things - i.e. drag-n-drop from ark, WTF?
[19:11] <wxl> bobish: so you're saying ark behaves differently in other distros?
[19:13] <bobish> I am saying i can drag-n-drop in ##place-name-here## distro from an archive manager to either a) said file manager they use OR b) the desktop
[19:14] <wxl> so then, your complaint is not about the distro but about the software contained therein
[19:14] <wxl> have you tried 19.04?
[19:15] <wxl> or well, maybe you are on 19.04
[19:16] <bobish> here is the deal - there are untold number of "linux distros" (i understand distro is not the correct term but the VAST majority of people would go with that term). there HAS to be some unity between them, if you can't even get Drag'n'drop down - dont be a "distro"
[19:18] <wxl> i would call that expectation not entirely unreasonable just not particularly realistic
[19:18] <bobish> again, i understand they dont make the shell of the desktop - it is not a kick to the creators of the distro
[19:19] <bobish> well - maybe it is, get the DND in your distro - there are literally no more resources it would take and it is completely expected in any desktop in place today
[19:20] <wxl> this is not a decision for the distro, but for ark itself
[19:20] <bobish> ark would not be in charge of the actual DND action
[19:21] <wxl> were that to be true, then it would be a quetion for the file manager. still not the distro.
[19:21] <bobish> that is an interaction between the "desktop" and the package manager
[19:22] <wxl> yep, it's a file manager "problem" https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393594
[19:22] <wxl> a rather annoying one in that they would have to write specific code just for ark
[19:23] <wxl> the desktop is manager by the file manager in our case, by the way
[19:24] <bobish> "other applications". this is exactly the reason why "open source" does not work in the general public.
[19:24] <bobish> people expect things to work
[19:24] <bobish> when they dont, they expect them to be fixed
[19:24] <bobish> and when they are not fixed, they leave
[19:24] <wxl> yes, like with windows being riddled with viruses
[19:25] <bobish> i hate that argument, so if linux were controlling 97% of consumer desktops, you dont think there would be linux viruses?
[19:26] <wxl> it's plausibe
[19:26] <bobish> be better wxl
[19:26] <wxl> i mean there's also the consideration that the code is open source so it's actually easier to write malware for
[19:26] <wxl> and since the vast majority of servers are linux, it would seem these would be much better targets for the likes of botnets
[19:27] <bobish> i dont play that game, i play the game of it is the most used and more people would target it. if you can find holes in closed systems of course you could find holes in open systems
[19:27] <wxl> you can more easily find holes in open systems
[19:29] <bobish> BUT COME on, fine i will even concede that it is "ark" that is the problem
[19:29] <bobish> the problem is not the distro, it the "problem"
[19:29] <wxl> well, it's arguably either ark or pcmanfm-qt
[19:29] <bobish> then frickin put in a package manager that supports DND....
[19:29] <wxl> i'm still digging on that one.. seems like there's some general weirdness when viewed from a larger perspective
[19:30] <bobish> mint has it down it is just too heavy for this laptop
[19:30] <wxl> for example engrandpa can't handle anything but gtk file managers https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/488
[19:31] <wxl> mint with lxqt and ark?
[19:31] <bobish> i HATE when people say its not the distros fault
[19:31] <bobish> of course it is
[19:31] <bobish> YOU put the software in it
[19:31] <bobish> so YES
[19:31] <bobish> there are better ways to do it
[19:32] <bobish> but you decided - for watever the reasons - to not do it
[19:32] <wxl> you should take your own advice about being better
[19:32] <wxl> no one on the lubuntu team decided "we're going to screw the users out of DND from the archiver"
[19:32] <bobish> if lubuntu does not package a different manager for one reason or another - then that should be said
[19:32] <bobish> no i understand that wxl
[19:33] <bobish> but there are certain things that people have become accustom to right?
[19:33] <wxl> some people have some expectations and others have different expectations
[19:33] <bobish> DND is kinda one of those things
[19:33] <wxl> there are no standards as i implied earlier
[19:34] <bobish> and as i said earlier - this why why the general linux platform has never taken off - and its people like who who push down those standards
[19:35] <wxl> your point being?
[19:35] <bobish> be better
[19:35] <bobish> like i said
[19:35] <wxl> ok, thanks
[19:35] <wxl> anything else?
[19:35] <bobish> there are other solutions, but you decide not to give those solutions as standard
[19:35] <bobish> noy *you*
[19:36] <bobish> but in general
[19:36] <wxl> so maybe you should make a bug report against the world in general XD
[19:36] <lynorian> I honestly have seen people having great trouble drag and dropping for the menu and I think drag and drop is a bad expirence in general on a touchpad
[19:37] <wxl> haven't seen a single bug report on the subject, which certainly makes it hard to be aware of and fix
[19:39] <bobish> come on, DND from the menu? i guess a 13 year old might have that issue. but DND to the desktop has been a thing since the earliest versions of windowed operating systems
[19:39] <wxl> i'm referring to this "great trouble drag and dropping from the menu"
[19:39] <wxl> not to mention the separate "drag and drop is a bad experience in general on a touchpad"
[19:40] <wxl> if there is a reproducible problem, write a bug report and it will get attention
[19:40] <wxl> but it's unreasonable to assume that because you have a problem, that everyone or anyone else is aware of it
[21:26] <robott5656> hi, i'm trying to set up a printer. it's connected to my network on a reserved ip. i set it up a network printer using the lpr protocol, tried printing a test page, but it's stalled as "processing." Any advice? I know lpr is an old protocol.
[21:29] <wxl> first off, printers suck XD
[21:30] <wxl> second: can you ping the ip from your machine?
[21:30] <robott5656> yeah, it's the ONE thing i really don't like about linux...printers are always a pain in the ass
[21:30] <robott5656> wxl, hold on, i'll try
[21:31] <robott5656> ping works
[21:33] <kc2bez> Printers are awful in any OS
[21:33] <robott5656> it's hp photosmart 5510
[21:34] <robott5656> i can try a different protocol than lpr. i just thought since it's an open source protocol, i would be the simplest to set up
[21:34] <wxl> ok try telnetting to port 515
[21:36] <robott5656> wxl, i've never done that...what's the command?
[21:36] <wxl> telnet ip 515
[21:36] <wxl> where ip is your ip address
[21:36] <robott5656> ok
[21:36] <wxl> you know i have a photosmart d110 hooked up and it seems to be using hp:/net
[21:37] <robott5656> connection refused
[21:37] <wxl> ok so that means one of three things:
[21:37] <wxl>  1. you have a firewall prohibiting you from going out on that port
[21:37] <wxl>  2. the printer has a firewall prohibiting something from coming in on that port
[21:38] <wxl>  3. and/or the printer doesn't support lpr, which works on that port
[21:38] <robott5656> probably the router...i can port forward it though
[21:38] <robott5656> never would have suspected that
[21:38] <wxl> have you tried visiting the ip in a web page?
[21:38] <robott5656> no
[21:39] <robott5656> wow i just did and got the hp photosmart set up page
[21:39] <wxl> photosmarts should serve their own web page so that will often help
[21:39] <wxl> ok that probably rules out router issues unless you've speciically filtering out particular ports
[21:40] <robott5656> well i can always fall back to opening the port now that i know what lpr listens on
[21:41] <robott5656> i'll play around with things for a while and update you later
[21:41] <robott5656> thanks for your help
[21:41] <wxl> no problem. good luck