[00:28] <Keres> hi
[00:29] <Keres> i am trying to generate a MIDI arpegiator... keyword GENERATE. that means, no midi input. all the arpgeiators that i have tried require a midi input device with someone playing notes.
[00:29] <Keres> it looks like alsa modular synth is what i need
[00:29] <Keres> this PD thing doesn't work out of the box and crashes
[00:30] <Keres> tried to compile alsa modular... first it tels me that i dont have asound
[00:30] <Keres> then it tells me that i don't have jack.
[00:30] <Keres> what is going on? seems like this app should be included in this distro.
[00:31] <OvenWerks> which app?
[00:31] <Keres> alsa modular studio
[00:31] <OvenWerks> It appears not.
[00:32] <OvenWerks> Not everything that is an audio or video or graphics app is included.... there does try to be one of everything though
[00:33] <Keres> why does it say i dont; have jack installed?
[00:33] <OvenWerks> just as an example, if drumgismo came with drum kits the iso size would double.
[00:33] <Keres> clearly i am using jack
[00:33] <OvenWerks> that is a good question. it may be that the depends is for jackd1 rather than jackd2
[00:33] <Keres> is there a forum that deals with this issue?
[00:34] <Keres> is there a distro specific package for alsa modular?
[00:34] <OvenWerks> what is the package name?
[00:34] <Keres> alsa modular synthesizer
[00:34] <OvenWerks> oh, are you trying to build it?
[00:34] <Keres> is there any other way?
[00:35] <OvenWerks> the package you are probably looking for is libjack-jackd2-dev
[00:36] <OvenWerks> when building packages on debian based distros, you generally need the packages for the lib that is libname-dev for building
[00:37] <OvenWerks> I was pushing to have libjack-jackd2-dev included in the distro, I thought it made it.I guess not
[00:37] <OvenWerks> too many people install libjack-dev which uninstalls half the audio packages :(
[00:38] <Keres> so now it is this: configure: error: clalsadrv is required
[00:38] <Keres> what is that?
[00:38] <Keres> same problem?
[00:39] <OvenWerks> That one does n't seem to be there at all
[00:39] <OvenWerks> (that I can find)
[00:40] <OvenWerks> BTW, I personally do not trust the software application and always install synaptic instead
[00:40] <Keres> im using apt-get install whatever you say
[00:41] <Keres> i got past the jack2-dev thing
[00:41] <OvenWerks> atp-get is great
[00:41] <OvenWerks> libclalsa-dev
[00:42] <Keres> Unable to locate package libclalsa-dev
[00:42] <Keres> that one is not in my lists
[00:42] <OvenWerks> sorry libclalsadrv-dev
[00:42] <OvenWerks> that is the lib for clalsadrv
[00:43] <OvenWerks> it will probably install libclalsadrv2 as well
[00:43] <Keres> hopefully this is all it needs.
[00:43] <Keres> i have desperately needed a replacement for my windows softsynth for years
[00:43] <OvenWerks> This is why I use synaptic, it has a nice search.
[00:43] <Keres> it works under wine, spare MIDI
[00:44] <OvenWerks> I am not the person to ask about synths... I am more guitar/bass/mandolyn based rather than kb
[00:44] <Keres> checking for Qt4... no configure: error: cannot find Qt4 library >= 4.2
[00:45] <OvenWerks> You may wish to ask what are good linux soft synths in #ardour
[00:45] <Keres> well i am the guy who has to record you so, i need good tools
[00:45] <OvenWerks> It is oof topic, but there are a number of people who do all electronic music too.
[00:45] <Keres> i do both
[00:45] <Keres> i have old tape machines
[00:46] <OvenWerks> I play a little kb.... I have an old DX7, but I am far from being a synth conisour
[00:46] <Keres> what is QT4?
[00:47] <OvenWerks> QT4, is old. let me check
[00:47] <Keres> i have been able to use ardor in realtime to process sounds with custom plugins in sunvox
[00:47] <Keres> ardor is pretty nice
[00:48] <Keres> my next task is to see if i can record multitrack with it using some behringer gear
[00:48] <OvenWerks> libqt4-dev
[00:48] <Keres> i just shelved an old Alesis XD32
[00:50] <Keres> when you record mandolyn, do you use a mic or do you have a pickup installed?
[00:50] <OvenWerks> I have both. I use the PU live, but I would like to try a ribon mic for recording... if I get that far
[00:51] <Keres> yeah mics are great with the right pre-amp
[00:51] <Keres> its all subjective tho
[00:51] <Keres> you can get great sounds from really cheap gear
[00:52] <Keres> or medi-ochre sounds from expensive stuff
[00:52] <OvenWerks> My condencer mic is cheap, but sounds tinny to me. It is small diaphram. The ribon doesn't have the same high end but sounds more natural to me.
[00:54] <OvenWerks> The manolyn pu actually sounds pretty good (for a stick on), but the preamp is key for that.
[00:56] <Keres> well make gave me errors:
[00:56] <Keres> _vocoder.cpp: In member function ‘virtual void M_vocoder::generateCycle()’: m_vocoder.cpp:298:52: error: incompatible types in assignment of ‘float’ to ‘fftw_complex’ {aka ‘double [2]’}
[00:56] <OvenWerks> That is probably a c++99 to c++11 error
[00:57] <OvenWerks> you can try using a cast
[00:57] <Keres> will it crash the whole app or just that module?
[00:57] <Keres> because i dont need a vocoder right now
[00:57] <Keres> it would be cool to have one
[00:58] <OvenWerks> I don't know in that case... if the build wants to build it all that would be a problem
[00:58] <OvenWerks> yeah they are nice to have
[00:58] <Keres> why o why.
[00:59] <OvenWerks> For example a build all.
[00:59] <OvenWerks> not knowing the sw at all, I can't tell.
[00:59] <Keres> it  wont make install
[00:59] <Keres> ok, so this app is off the list.
[01:00] <OvenWerks> There may be a compiler or configure opyion that would fix it too.
[01:14] <Thr0r> OvenWerks: & Keres: Hi. I'm going to rip off all my old CD's and store them on my computer. I was told to use Asunder to get the music and I am using Parole to play it. Is that a good choice of tools or is it just the same what one use to create a library of ones old music? Talking about quality in both end - the copying and playback. What do you use? You seem to have some knowledge when it comes to sound and quality.. I have Ubunt
[01:14] <Thr0r> u studio 19.04 on the pc I'm using for that work.
[01:15] <OvenWerks> both are as good as the underlying codec
[01:15] <OvenWerks> Are you saving them as flac?
[01:17] <Thr0r> No - Wav uncompressed..
[01:17] <OvenWerks> that is as good as you will get for quality.
[01:17] <OvenWerks> flac should be the same in less space, but I don't know if flac has metadata
[01:18] <OvenWerks> ogg is lossy, but better than mp4 quality wise
[01:18] <OvenWerks> ogg does have meta data for sure
[01:19] <OerHeks> tons of compression settings in asunder
[01:19] <Thr0r> Ok - I don't know either - just want to make sure it's the best quality. Want it to last "into the unknown future"..
[01:19] <OerHeks> just test 3 songs in different settings
[01:20] <OvenWerks> a wav is the same, bit for nit as what the CD has on it.
[01:21] <Thr0r> ok.  And the tools I'm using is also ok? Asunder and Parole?
[01:22] <OerHeks> asunder .. never tried something else, actually
[01:22] <Thr0r> ok
[01:22] <OvenWerks> seems ok, I would tend to use audacious for playback, but parol has never been a problem for me either
[01:23] <Thr0r> ok thanks
[01:23] <OvenWerks> parol is a video player, audacious is audio only and may have more options.
[01:23] <OerHeks> mpv and clementine, are my players.
[01:24] <OerHeks> there are differences in players, i selected on fast handling large collections
[01:25] <Thr0r> Ok - I have taken notes of this advice and I will check them out.
[01:26]  * OvenWerks doesn't a large collection :)
[01:26] <OerHeks> 150k songs, maybe not that large ..
[01:26] <studiobot> graziano_palamara was removed by: graziano_palamara
[01:27] <OerHeks> and in those music folders hidden a ton of music clips ..
[01:35] <Keres> is there anyone here who is good with PD??
[01:36] <OvenWerks> probably not.
[01:36] <Thr0r> It's really cool to go thru the old cd collection :) Lots of memories, and I even find CD's that my (now adult) children burned when they was small...
[01:36] <OvenWerks> you may find a better responce on the LAU mailing list.
[01:38] <Thr0r> And don't hit me with that Off Topic - I know it was
[01:56] <Keres> yeah if you want to back up your CD's you use .wav
[01:57] <Keres> .flac is pretty good tho... if i were just backing up some CD's from the 1990s i would just use that.
[01:57] <Keres> ogg format is the best tho for portability
[01:57] <Keres> ogg is incredible
[01:58] <Keres> but ogg, you will notice the sound quality difference.
[01:58] <Keres> ogg is more for like... programmers to put into game soundtracks
[01:59] <Thr0r> Ok - I saw the .ogg files where really really small so something must be lost I figure..
[02:00] <Keres> as far as players for ubuntu studio, i am using mvp
[02:00] <Keres> vlc crashed on install here
[02:00] <Keres> think it might work now, but not willing to crash other sound apps to test it.
[02:01] <Keres> as far as rippers go... i havent used one in a while but an app called SoundJuicer comes to ming
[02:01] <Keres> mind
[02:39] <Thr0r> I checked out Audacious as player - it has a lot of settings i have to check out but so far I think Parole plays the songs best. On my system anyways. I'm using a samsung monitor with the sound there (it's no good) but I hear difference. Dire Straits/Love over Gold/ and the song Telegraph Road is a good song to test a thing or to with sound, especially the first minutes..
[02:43] <Keres> no, i havent seen audacious
[02:44] <Keres> the only thing i have done with media on here is firefox with tv.youtube.com into a live dsp effect
[02:44] <Keres> and catching up on the HBO Chernobyl
[02:44] <Keres> which... Parole failed in seeking back to where it crashed at so i installed mvp player
[02:45] <Keres> but the ability to remix audio from a live source is awesome
[02:47] <Thr0r> I will check this mvp player aswell - enjoy HBO "Chernobyl"
[02:55] <Thr0r> ... mvp player is not in the Ubuntu SW shop
[03:16] <Eickmeyer> !info gnome-mpv
[03:20] <Keres> mpv
[03:20] <Keres> sorry was watching basketball
[03:24] <Thr0r> ok - I'll Try.
[03:29] <Thr0r> Sorry for bothering you guys with all my Q's but this Linux thing and ubuntu studio really triggered something in me which I should have done years ago. The music, the sound. There's alot(!) of applications in ubuntu studio - so just be prepared for more Q's :)
[04:24] <Thr0r> Hmm.. Some say MPV is malware, some say it should not be listed, some like it.. I don't know. This is info from the Ubuntu shop..