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didrocksgood morning06:19
dufluHi didrocks06:26
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:29
oSoMoNhi duflu, salut didrocks06:29
oSoMoNduflu, you had a good week-end?06:29
dufluMorning oSoMoN06:29
dufluoSoMoN, it was kind of rushed. I hadn't seen so many people in a while. In the end it was shorter than a normal weekend. Weirdly. You?06:30
oSoMoNyeah, mine was just the right duration :) lots of outdoors activities, very relaxing06:31
didrockshey duflu, oSoMoN06:32
dufluHmm, a full year without a BlueZ release06:36
dufluI think that's unusual06:37
Trevinhogood morning Europe (from Europe as well :))!06:37
didrockshey european Trevinho!06:38
Trevinhohi didrocks :)06:38
dufluHi Trevinho. Do you just follow summer?06:38
Trevinhoduflu: that's the plan xD06:38
dufluOr cheat and stay equatorial-ish06:39
WimpressMorning o/06:42
dufluHi Wimpress06:43
oSoMoNbuon giorno Trevinho !06:43
oSoMoNmorning Wimpress06:43
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marcustomlinsonmorning didrocks duflu oSoMoN (european) Trevinho and Wimpress :)07:15
Trevinhomorning marcustomlinson07:15
dufluMorning (still European) marcustomlinson07:15
Trevinhobuenos dias oSoMoN, desde España ahora :)07:15
seb128good morning desktopers07:17
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson07:17
Trevinhohi seb12807:17
oSoMoNsalut seb12807:17
seb128lut oSoMoN07:17
seb128hey Trevinho, marcustomlinson07:17
oSoMoNTrevinho, where about in Spain07:17
oSoMoN?07:17
seb128how are you today?07:17
TrevinhooSoMoN: Cacéres07:18
marcustomlinsonduflu: having dual citizenship is great. I can swap and change as it suits me :)07:18
seb128Trevinho, make it back nicely to good old Europe?07:18
didrockshey marcustomlinson!07:18
seb128hey duflu07:18
didrockshello seb12807:18
seb128lut didrocks07:18
dufluMorning seb12807:18
oSoMoNExtremadura, nice07:18
Trevinhoseb128: yeah, with nice 3+ hrs of late arrival... Which hopefully implies free flights :P07:18
marcustomlinsonmorning seb12807:18
Trevinhot07:18
seb128Trevinho, :)07:18
seb128what happened?07:18
Trevinhonothing, just late arrival of the flight in Cancun, so we had to wait for the plane07:19
seb128"waiting for another plane" is what happened then :)07:19
TrevinhoI meant "nothing" as "nothing in our side, or problematic" let's say.07:21
seb128that's good :)07:22
seb128let's see in what tz you mentally landed now :p07:22
Trevinholooks like I got in sync already, but let's see: 907:23
willcookemorning all07:48
dufluMorning willcooke07:48
didrocksmorning willcooke07:49
oSoMoNgood morning willcooke07:53
seb128hey willcooke07:57
Laneymoin08:05
didrockshey Laney08:06
dufluLo Laney08:06
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:07
seb128duflu, Trevinho, bug #1831514 seems to suggest that for that nvidia user the recent Disco gnome-shell SRU is making the login screen fail to start, the bug lacks details on what the error could be atm though, I asked for details, but might be worth keeping an eye for such regression reports08:08
ubot5bug 1831514 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.04 system update causes boot failure" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183151408:08
dufluseb128, sounds like one of a couple of old gdm bugs. Laney just fixed the big one!08:09
Trevinhoseb128: mh, ok keeping track of it08:09
seb128duflu, weird that it only happens after installing the gnome-shell SRU though?08:10
dufluseb128, it's a random timing thing. Let me link it to the right bug(s)08:10
dufluThis has been going on for years08:10
seb128k08:11
oSoMoNhi Laney08:14
Laneymoin didrocks duflu seb128 Trevinho oSoMoN08:15
Laneysry, just noticed that my summary didn't send yesterday so had to re write it quickly /o\08:15
seb128Laney got out of discourse :)08:15
seb128urg08:15
Laneythe page had loaded with an error08:15
Laneyoh well08:15
seb128it didn't even save it? last time I fail to submit when I clicked edit he still had the draft, which I found cool08:15
oSoMoNyeah, it happened to me a couple of times too, the draft is being saved in local storage, that's neat08:16
oSoMoNexcept when it doesn't work, I guess08:16
seb128yeah08:17
dufluIt also remembers replies to conversations you drafted long ago, and forgot about08:18
seb128Laney, well done on getting that gdm fix merged upstream, that is an annoying bug on it's way to resolution :)08:18
Laneyoh dunno, maybe it would have been if I was using the same computer08:18
Laneyseb128: thx08:18
seb128Laney, oh and thx for doing the nautilus update for me in Debian, I sort of put it on hold because totem was not updated but I see that j_bicha did that update08:18
Laneylooks like it didn't make it to the archive08:19
Laneyso that one was easy ;-)08:20
Laneywillcooke: I just searched a bit and it looks like you can configure discourse to be able to start new threads by email08:21
LaneyF Y I !08:21
willcookeI was looking at that same idea08:22
willcookeNot sure if I can format it, but going to test08:23
Laneypresumably it's treated as markdown on the web side08:23
Laneyanyway good to see the ol' script in use08:24
seb128brb, moving back home, I took the laptop for my morning coffee today and stayed there for longer :)08:25
dufluI feel Laney's work in gdm3 and my work in mutter should somehow be linked with jibel's work to make the Nvidia experience better. Because we're all working on that goal08:26
* duflu finds the Trello card and hacks it08:28
Laney😎08:31
dufluThere it is https://trello.com/c/6CeAcFWQ08:34
seb128duflu, Trevinho, so the gnome-shell SRU got blocked on what e.u.c considers as regression (no report pre-3.32.1)08:57
seb128https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d1fe1bf113ed5e4e2c08f3369df65b32f13ceee708:57
seb128https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7a0ffc1caa388737d61043fd4a0ee45677b63d7108:57
dufluThat's new08:57
seb128the Disco SRU08:58
seb128I saw you also flagged https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/129508:58
gitbotGNOME issue 1295 in gnome-shell "gnome-shell sigtraps "Function allocate terminated with uncatchable exception"" [Opened]08:58
seb128which might be the same one at the second url08:59
seb128duflu, Trevinho, sounds like an item that can be monthly targetted, I created https://trello.com/c/lIqDaxLd/164-resolved-the-gnome-shell-3321-sru-regressions09:01
seb128sorry09:01
seb128https://trello.com/c/lIqDaxLd/164-resolve-the-gnome-shell-3321-sru-regressions09:01
GunnarHjHi seb128, will bug #1831144 land in disco 'automatically' due to the GNOME exception, or may it be worth to prepare a SRU?09:21
ubot5bug 1831144 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "GNOME control center UI does not update dconf setting for magnifier mouse tracking m ode" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183114409:21
seb128GunnarHj, the exception doesn't make commits land into the distribution, we need someone to either package a new version when it's available or to distro patch the fix09:32
seb128GunnarHj, there is already a SRU in disco-proposed, that fix doesn't seem urgent, I would just queue it in git for the next upload09:32
tkamppetercyphermox, thanks.09:39
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, then I'll queue it in git. I'm motivated to do that after having spent some time with it.09:42
GunnarHjseb128: Btw, is a separate commit required for eoan due to the SRU principles, or is it sufficient that it's about to make it to upstream and with that eoan?09:42
seb128GunnarHj, should be enough that it's commited upstream and will be in the next update09:46
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, thanks! (It's not committed upstream yet; will await the commit.)09:47
seb128k09:48
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GunnarHjseb128: The g-c-c ubuntu/disco git does not include the changes in disco-proposed.11:47
k_alamseb128: Hi, good afternoon12:33
seb128GunnarHj, hum, let me look if I forgot to push12:39
seb128hey k_alam12:39
k_alamseb128: Can you review few of mr for unity ?12:40
seb128I can try, give the urls here? others might be able to help with that as well12:40
k_alamThanks...but first is is possible not to unset XDG_SEAT & XDG_SESSION_ID in dbus ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/183149112:42
ubot5Launchpad bug 1831491 in dbus (Ubuntu) "Do not unset XDG_SEAT & XDG_SESSION_ID in 95dbus_update-activation-env (Unity7)" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:42
seb128do you know how/where they get used?12:42
seb128unset12:42
k_alamyes, in indicator-session...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/164040912:43
ubot5Launchpad bug 1640409 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) "show my login name in menu bar not working. " [Medium,Confirmed]12:43
k_alamdbus-x11 installs /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95dbus_update-activation-env which unsets those env variables.12:43
k_alamit is being used here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-session/trunk.16.10/view/head:/src/backend-dbus/users.c#L37412:46
seb128do you know when/why the unset have been added to dbus-x11?12:48
k_alamno, not really, may be after 16.10....for x11 compatibility reasons12:49
seb128https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61301#c28 has some context12:53
ubot5Freedesktop bug 61301 in core "play nicely with systemd "user bus" and systemd --user" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]12:53
seb128the way to go is probably to fix the indicator code, not to add back variables that are buggy/don't make sense12:54
k_alamWell, XDG_SEAT_PATH is still there so we could extract seat and check...12:55
seb128or ID_SEAT?12:58
k_alamID_SEAT is not there for me...13:00
seb128I was reading https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/13:01
seb128anyway, something for you to figure out, I don't think we want to patch dbus to remove those unset13:01
seb128in practice I don't know if many unity users are on multiseat you could probably drop that code that no-one would notice13:02
k_alamAlright...I will make the change in indicator-session13:03
k_alamthe other merge request : https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-appmenu/ignore-desktop/+merge/36699013:04
k_alamit require prerequisite branch https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-appmenu/fix-build-disco/+merge/36140313:05
seb128Trevinho, ^ it's bamf thing, maybe you could have a look?13:13
seb128k, it's meeting time!13:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-0413:30
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seb128Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)13:30
marcustomlinson\o13:30
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oSoMoN\o13:31
seb128k, let's get started!13:31
seb128#topic rls-bb-bugs13:31
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:31
seb128bug #182529713:32
ubot5bug 1825297 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "When OSK is present, typing on physical keyboard usually dose not trigger the OSK to disappear (X11 only)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182529713:32
seb128that has been raised as an issue by the oem team for enablement of laptop with touch screen13:33
TrevinhoI can have a look13:33
seb128I vote +1 for accepting it since it's an oem request and it makes sense imho13:33
tselioto/13:33
seb128hey tseliot :)13:33
tseliothey13:33
seb128Trevinho, thx!13:33
Trevinhomight be not easy fix in x11 though13:33
Laneywhy do we vote on oem requests if there is that policy?13:33
seb128what policy?13:34
Laneythat oem requests get a +113:34
seb128I don't know about that rule13:34
seb128I would feel fine rejecting a request that looks buggy/stupid13:34
Laneyok, then I don't understand what "since it's an oem request" means13:34
seb128well, I like the please OEM13:34
seb128so I would lean toward accepting it if we can13:34
seb128and the fix looks like an useful thing to work on13:34
seb128so it's +1 from me13:35
didrocksI think it's a logical request, +113:35
seb128k, good, accepting and assigning to Marco then :)13:35
kenvandineyeah, +113:35
seb128next13:35
seb128bug #182529913:36
ubot5bug 1825299 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "The onscreen keyboard doesn't hide when touching anywhere out of the onscreen keyboard" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182529913:36
seb128similar situation, I vote +1 for the same reasons13:36
TrevinhoNot sure is possible at all for xorg13:36
TrevinhoMight be, but not in all the cases.13:37
seb128yeah, I was also reading the upstream comments13:37
seb128a bit tricky13:37
TrevinhoI have ideas though13:37
didrockssame, +1, but sounds hard13:37
seb128Trevinho, I assign to you for a look, if we judge it not doable we can wontfix with an application, ok?13:37
TrevinhoWe should have #nicetofix list ;-)13:38
TrevinhoOk13:38
seb128we have, it's open bugs on launchpad :p13:39
seb128or assigned but not milestoned13:39
seb128k, that's it for the incoming list13:39
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:40
seb128that has the same japense era than previous week, I pinged c_yphermox about it but didn't get a reply, I will try that again13:40
seb128that's it13:41
seb128#topic rls-cc-bugs13:41
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:41
seb128no desktop entry13:41
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:41
seb128same japenese one13:42
seb128bug #175467113:42
ubot5bug 1754671 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175467113:42
seb128I vote to wontfix it for cosmic n-m at this point, we are not going to SRU n-m changes on cosmic now imho13:42
oSoMoNthat makes sense13:43
seb128doing that13:44
seb128also reassigning to bionic line to tkamppeter13:44
oSoMoNthanks13:44
seb128bug #182810213:44
ubot5bug 1828102 in modemmanager (Ubuntu Disco) "Regression in ModemManager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182810213:44
seb128looks like it's already being handled by tkamppeter13:45
seb128kenvandine, ^ he might need a sponsor?13:45
seb128assigning to him13:45
kenvandineok13:45
seb128thx13:45
seb128#topic rls-dd-bugs13:45
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:46
seb128no desktop entry13:46
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:47
seb128same bugs as other series13:47
seb128#topic rls-ee-bugs13:47
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:47
seb128the 2 gnome-shell/osk ones already discussed13:47
seb128bug #183002213:47
ubot5bug 1830022 in cups (Ubuntu) "DirtyCleanInterval should be 0 by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183002213:47
seb128that's assigned and being handled but doesn't seem rls material to me13:48
seb128I vote -113:48
didrocksunsure about that one, Till will probably will have a better opinion13:49
seb128bug #183102113:50
ubot5bug 1831021 in cups (Ubuntu) "Extremely high memory consumption under heavy workload" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183102113:50
seb128same, sounds like it's worth looking at but not important enough to be rls material13:50
seb128it's impact pretty uncommon setups13:50
seb128impacting13:50
seb128k, no other comment so doing that for those13:52
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:52
seb128those are all assigned13:52
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:52
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LaneyNothing.13:52
seb128https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:52
seb128k13:53
seb128well n-m regressed because the autopkgtests relied on the deprecated lib that got removed from eoan (sorry for overlooking that bit when I removed them)13:54
seb128kenvandine, tkamppeter, you took from cyphermox and are looking at finishing the tests update?13:54
LaneyIt's being worked on. That's why I said "Nothing.".13:54
seb128right, I wanted to check that tkamppeter indeed took over from Mathieu since I didn't see a response from him on the topic yesterday13:55
seb128anyway, doesn't need to be in the meeting I guess13:55
Laney04/06 10:39:14 <tkamppeter> cyphermox, thanks.13:55
seb128thx13:55
cyphermoxAFAIK it's something with the callback from the gir; when trying to activate a connection13:55
seb128#topic AOB13:55
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seb128other topics?13:55
seb128cyphermox, k13:55
seb128tkamppeter, ^13:55
LaneyThose OSK bugs weren't targetted properly.13:55
seb128yeah, launchpad timeouted when I tried on the first one so I kept them to try again after the meeting13:56
seb128if it works now/you did it, thx :)13:56
LaneyI did not13:56
seb128k, well I will once the meeting is over (if launchpad stop being sad), thx for pointing it out13:57
LaneyRight.13:57
seb128k13:58
seb128anything else?13:58
seb12830 seconds to raise your hand13:58
kenvandinenotta :)13:58
seb128k, let's wrap then13:59
seb128thanks everyone!13:59
seb128#endmeeting13:59
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Jun  4 13:59:10 2019 UTC.13:59
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-06-04-13.30.moin.txt13:59
oSoMoNthanks13:59
marcustomlinsonthanks13:59
TrevinhoOSK bugs being assigned13:59
didrocksthx14:02
Laneyk_alam: You should be using systemd APIs to get those things if you need them.14:12
LaneyThey can't be set in the D-Bus environment because that is shared and not scoped to the session.14:13
k_alamLaney: I think we don't really need check for session id, pam-systemd sets it and then we call logind dbus which gets the same thing as /proc/self/sessionid for active session14:16
LaneyThat'd be a systemd API, yes14:17
k_alamAlright I will make the changes....Thanks.14:22
Laney👍14:22
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seb128GunnarHj, I've pushed the g-c-c/disco vcs btw15:59
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oSoMoNgood night everyone17:36
willcookenight all19:01
GunnarHjseb128: Great! Then you can expect a MP as soon as Robert has merged upstream.19:58
seb128GunnarHj, k19:59
robert_ancellkenvandine, is there an easy way to strip the pkg-config / include files out of the snap-store build?22:30

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