[06:19] good morning [06:26] Hi didrocks [06:29] good morning desktoppers [06:29] hi duflu, salut didrocks [06:29] duflu, you had a good week-end? [06:29] Morning oSoMoN [06:30] oSoMoN, it was kind of rushed. I hadn't seen so many people in a while. In the end it was shorter than a normal weekend. Weirdly. You? [06:31] yeah, mine was just the right duration :) lots of outdoors activities, very relaxing [06:32] hey duflu, oSoMoN [06:36] Hmm, a full year without a BlueZ release [06:37] I think that's unusual [06:37] good morning Europe (from Europe as well :))! [06:38] hey european Trevinho! [06:38] hi didrocks :) [06:38] Hi Trevinho. Do you just follow summer? [06:38] duflu: that's the plan xD [06:39] Or cheat and stay equatorial-ish [06:42] Morning o/ [06:43] Hi Wimpress [06:43] buon giorno Trevinho ! [06:43] morning Wimpress === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:15] morning didrocks duflu oSoMoN (european) Trevinho and Wimpress :) [07:15] morning marcustomlinson [07:15] Morning (still European) marcustomlinson [07:15] buenos dias oSoMoN, desde España ahora :) [07:17] good morning desktopers [07:17] good morning marcustomlinson [07:17] hi seb128 [07:17] salut seb128 [07:17] lut oSoMoN [07:17] hey Trevinho, marcustomlinson [07:17] Trevinho, where about in Spain [07:17] ? [07:17] how are you today? [07:18] oSoMoN: Cacéres [07:18] duflu: having dual citizenship is great. I can swap and change as it suits me :) [07:18] Trevinho, make it back nicely to good old Europe? [07:18] hey marcustomlinson! [07:18] hey duflu [07:18] hello seb128 [07:18] lut didrocks [07:18] Morning seb128 [07:18] Extremadura, nice [07:18] seb128: yeah, with nice 3+ hrs of late arrival... Which hopefully implies free flights :P [07:18] morning seb128 [07:18] t [07:18] Trevinho, :) [07:18] what happened? [07:19] nothing, just late arrival of the flight in Cancun, so we had to wait for the plane [07:19] "waiting for another plane" is what happened then :) [07:21] I meant "nothing" as "nothing in our side, or problematic" let's say. [07:22] that's good :) [07:22] let's see in what tz you mentally landed now :p [07:23] looks like I got in sync already, but let's see: 9 [07:48] morning all [07:48] Morning willcooke [07:49] morning willcooke [07:53] good morning willcooke [07:57] hey willcooke [08:05] moin [08:06] hey Laney [08:06] Lo Laney [08:07] hey Laney, how are you? [08:08] duflu, Trevinho, bug #1831514 seems to suggest that for that nvidia user the recent Disco gnome-shell SRU is making the login screen fail to start, the bug lacks details on what the error could be atm though, I asked for details, but might be worth keeping an eye for such regression reports [08:08] bug 1831514 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.04 system update causes boot failure" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831514 [08:09] seb128, sounds like one of a couple of old gdm bugs. Laney just fixed the big one! [08:09] seb128: mh, ok keeping track of it [08:10] duflu, weird that it only happens after installing the gnome-shell SRU though? [08:10] seb128, it's a random timing thing. Let me link it to the right bug(s) [08:10] This has been going on for years [08:11] k [08:14] hi Laney [08:15] moin didrocks duflu seb128 Trevinho oSoMoN [08:15] sry, just noticed that my summary didn't send yesterday so had to re write it quickly /o\ [08:15] Laney got out of discourse :) [08:15] urg [08:15] the page had loaded with an error [08:15] oh well [08:15] it didn't even save it? last time I fail to submit when I clicked edit he still had the draft, which I found cool [08:16] yeah, it happened to me a couple of times too, the draft is being saved in local storage, that's neat [08:16] except when it doesn't work, I guess [08:17] yeah [08:18] It also remembers replies to conversations you drafted long ago, and forgot about [08:18] Laney, well done on getting that gdm fix merged upstream, that is an annoying bug on it's way to resolution :) [08:18] oh dunno, maybe it would have been if I was using the same computer [08:18] seb128: thx [08:18] Laney, oh and thx for doing the nautilus update for me in Debian, I sort of put it on hold because totem was not updated but I see that j_bicha did that update [08:19] looks like it didn't make it to the archive [08:20] so that one was easy ;-) [08:21] willcooke: I just searched a bit and it looks like you can configure discourse to be able to start new threads by email [08:21] F Y I ! [08:22] I was looking at that same idea [08:23] Not sure if I can format it, but going to test [08:23] presumably it's treated as markdown on the web side [08:24] anyway good to see the ol' script in use [08:25] brb, moving back home, I took the laptop for my morning coffee today and stayed there for longer :) [08:26] I feel Laney's work in gdm3 and my work in mutter should somehow be linked with jibel's work to make the Nvidia experience better. Because we're all working on that goal [08:28] * duflu finds the Trello card and hacks it [08:31] 😎 [08:34] There it is https://trello.com/c/6CeAcFWQ [08:57] duflu, Trevinho, so the gnome-shell SRU got blocked on what e.u.c considers as regression (no report pre-3.32.1) [08:57] https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d1fe1bf113ed5e4e2c08f3369df65b32f13ceee7 [08:57] https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7a0ffc1caa388737d61043fd4a0ee45677b63d71 [08:57] That's new [08:58] the Disco SRU [08:58] I saw you also flagged https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1295 [08:58] GNOME issue 1295 in gnome-shell "gnome-shell sigtraps "Function allocate terminated with uncatchable exception"" [Opened] [08:59] which might be the same one at the second url [09:01] duflu, Trevinho, sounds like an item that can be monthly targetted, I created https://trello.com/c/lIqDaxLd/164-resolved-the-gnome-shell-3321-sru-regressions [09:01] sorry [09:01] https://trello.com/c/lIqDaxLd/164-resolve-the-gnome-shell-3321-sru-regressions [09:21] Hi seb128, will bug #1831144 land in disco 'automatically' due to the GNOME exception, or may it be worth to prepare a SRU? [09:21] bug 1831144 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "GNOME control center UI does not update dconf setting for magnifier mouse tracking m ode" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831144 [09:32] GunnarHj, the exception doesn't make commits land into the distribution, we need someone to either package a new version when it's available or to distro patch the fix [09:32] GunnarHj, there is already a SRU in disco-proposed, that fix doesn't seem urgent, I would just queue it in git for the next upload [09:39] cyphermox, thanks. [09:42] seb128: Ok, then I'll queue it in git. I'm motivated to do that after having spent some time with it. [09:42] seb128: Btw, is a separate commit required for eoan due to the SRU principles, or is it sufficient that it's about to make it to upstream and with that eoan? [09:46] GunnarHj, should be enough that it's commited upstream and will be in the next update [09:47] seb128: Ok, thanks! (It's not committed upstream yet; will await the commit.) [09:48] k === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [11:47] seb128: The g-c-c ubuntu/disco git does not include the changes in disco-proposed. [12:33] seb128: Hi, good afternoon [12:39] GunnarHj, hum, let me look if I forgot to push [12:39] hey k_alam [12:40] seb128: Can you review few of mr for unity ? [12:40] I can try, give the urls here? others might be able to help with that as well [12:42] Thanks...but first is is possible not to unset XDG_SEAT & XDG_SESSION_ID in dbus ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1831491 [12:42] Launchpad bug 1831491 in dbus (Ubuntu) "Do not unset XDG_SEAT & XDG_SESSION_ID in 95dbus_update-activation-env (Unity7)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:42] do you know how/where they get used? [12:42] unset [12:43] yes, in indicator-session...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1640409 [12:43] Launchpad bug 1640409 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) "show my login name in menu bar not working. " [Medium,Confirmed] [12:43] dbus-x11 installs /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95dbus_update-activation-env which unsets those env variables. [12:46] it is being used here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-session/trunk.16.10/view/head:/src/backend-dbus/users.c#L374 [12:48] do you know when/why the unset have been added to dbus-x11? [12:49] no, not really, may be after 16.10....for x11 compatibility reasons [12:53] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61301#c28 has some context [12:53] Freedesktop bug 61301 in core "play nicely with systemd "user bus" and systemd --user" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] [12:54] the way to go is probably to fix the indicator code, not to add back variables that are buggy/don't make sense [12:55] Well, XDG_SEAT_PATH is still there so we could extract seat and check... [12:58] or ID_SEAT? [13:00] ID_SEAT is not there for me... [13:01] I was reading https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/ [13:01] anyway, something for you to figure out, I don't think we want to patch dbus to remove those unset [13:02] in practice I don't know if many unity users are on multiseat you could probably drop that code that no-one would notice [13:03] Alright...I will make the change in indicator-session [13:04] the other merge request : https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-appmenu/ignore-desktop/+merge/366990 [13:05] it require prerequisite branch https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-appmenu/fix-build-disco/+merge/361403 [13:13] Trevinho, ^ it's bamf thing, maybe you could have a look? [13:30] k, it's meeting time! [13:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 [13:30] Meeting started Tue Jun 4 13:30:31 2019 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 | Current topic: [13:30] Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [13:30] \o [13:31] o/ [13:31] o/ [13:31] \o [13:31] k, let's get started! [13:31] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [13:31] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:32] bug #1825297 [13:32] bug 1825297 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "When OSK is present, typing on physical keyboard usually dose not trigger the OSK to disappear (X11 only)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825297 [13:33] that has been raised as an issue by the oem team for enablement of laptop with touch screen [13:33] I can have a look [13:33] I vote +1 for accepting it since it's an oem request and it makes sense imho [13:33] o/ [13:33] hey tseliot :) [13:33] hey [13:33] Trevinho, thx! [13:33] might be not easy fix in x11 though [13:33] why do we vote on oem requests if there is that policy? [13:34] what policy? [13:34] that oem requests get a +1 [13:34] I don't know about that rule [13:34] I would feel fine rejecting a request that looks buggy/stupid [13:34] ok, then I don't understand what "since it's an oem request" means [13:34] well, I like the please OEM [13:34] so I would lean toward accepting it if we can [13:34] and the fix looks like an useful thing to work on [13:35] so it's +1 from me [13:35] I think it's a logical request, +1 [13:35] k, good, accepting and assigning to Marco then :) [13:35] yeah, +1 [13:35] next [13:36] bug #1825299 [13:36] bug 1825299 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "The onscreen keyboard doesn't hide when touching anywhere out of the onscreen keyboard" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825299 [13:36] similar situation, I vote +1 for the same reasons [13:36] Not sure is possible at all for xorg [13:37] Might be, but not in all the cases. [13:37] yeah, I was also reading the upstream comments [13:37] a bit tricky [13:37] I have ideas though [13:37] same, +1, but sounds hard [13:37] Trevinho, I assign to you for a look, if we judge it not doable we can wontfix with an application, ok? [13:38] We should have #nicetofix list ;-) [13:38] Ok [13:39] we have, it's open bugs on launchpad :p [13:39] or assigned but not milestoned [13:39] k, that's it for the incoming list [13:40] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:40] that has the same japense era than previous week, I pinged c_yphermox about it but didn't get a reply, I will try that again [13:41] that's it [13:41] #topic rls-cc-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 | Current topic: rls-cc-bugs [13:41] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:41] no desktop entry [13:41] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:42] same japenese one [13:42] bug #1754671 [13:42] bug 1754671 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754671 [13:42] I vote to wontfix it for cosmic n-m at this point, we are not going to SRU n-m changes on cosmic now imho [13:43] that makes sense [13:44] doing that [13:44] also reassigning to bionic line to tkamppeter [13:44] thanks [13:44] bug #1828102 [13:44] bug 1828102 in modemmanager (Ubuntu Disco) "Regression in ModemManager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828102 [13:45] looks like it's already being handled by tkamppeter [13:45] kenvandine, ^ he might need a sponsor? [13:45] assigning to him [13:45] ok [13:45] thx [13:45] #topic rls-dd-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 | Current topic: rls-dd-bugs [13:46] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:46] no desktop entry [13:47] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:47] same bugs as other series [13:47] #topic rls-ee-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 | Current topic: rls-ee-bugs [13:47] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:47] the 2 gnome-shell/osk ones already discussed [13:47] bug #1830022 [13:47] bug 1830022 in cups (Ubuntu) "DirtyCleanInterval should be 0 by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830022 [13:48] that's assigned and being handled but doesn't seem rls material to me [13:48] I vote -1 [13:49] unsure about that one, Till will probably will have a better opinion [13:50] bug #1831021 [13:50] bug 1831021 in cups (Ubuntu) "Extremely high memory consumption under heavy workload" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831021 [13:50] same, sounds like it's worth looking at but not important enough to be rls material [13:50] it's impact pretty uncommon setups [13:50] impacting [13:52] k, no other comment so doing that for those [13:52] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:52] those are all assigned [13:52] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:52] Nothing. [13:52] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:53] k [13:54] well n-m regressed because the autopkgtests relied on the deprecated lib that got removed from eoan (sorry for overlooking that bit when I removed them) [13:54] kenvandine, tkamppeter, you took from cyphermox and are looking at finishing the tests update? [13:54] It's being worked on. That's why I said "Nothing.". [13:55] right, I wanted to check that tkamppeter indeed took over from Mathieu since I didn't see a response from him on the topic yesterday [13:55] anyway, doesn't need to be in the meeting I guess [13:55] 04/06 10:39:14 cyphermox, thanks. [13:55] thx [13:55] AFAIK it's something with the callback from the gir; when trying to activate a connection [13:55] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04 | Current topic: AOB [13:55] other topics? [13:55] cyphermox, k [13:55] tkamppeter, ^ [13:55] Those OSK bugs weren't targetted properly. [13:56] yeah, launchpad timeouted when I tried on the first one so I kept them to try again after the meeting [13:56] if it works now/you did it, thx :) [13:56] I did not [13:57] k, well I will once the meeting is over (if launchpad stop being sad), thx for pointing it out [13:57] Right. [13:58] k [13:58] anything else? [13:58] 30 seconds to raise your hand [13:58] notta :) [13:59] k, let's wrap then [13:59] thanks everyone! [13:59] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle [13:59] Meeting ended Tue Jun 4 13:59:10 2019 UTC. [13:59] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-06-04-13.30.moin.txt [13:59] thanks [13:59] thanks [13:59] OSK bugs being assigned [14:02] thx [14:12] k_alam: You should be using systemd APIs to get those things if you need them. [14:13] They can't be set in the D-Bus environment because that is shared and not scoped to the session. [14:16] Laney: I think we don't really need check for session id, pam-systemd sets it and then we call logind dbus which gets the same thing as /proc/self/sessionid for active session [14:17] That'd be a systemd API, yes [14:22] Alright I will make the changes....Thanks. [14:22] 👍 === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [15:59] GunnarHj, I've pushed the g-c-c/disco vcs btw === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [17:36] good night everyone [19:01] night all [19:58] seb128: Great! Then you can expect a MP as soon as Robert has merged upstream. [19:59] GunnarHj, k [22:30] kenvandine, is there an easy way to strip the pkg-config / include files out of the snap-store build?