=== MrPocketz is now known as MrPockets [00:10] hi all, i just installed the kubuntu-desktop package and prefer it over my original ubuntu installation. i'd like to get rid of old ubuntu/gnome files for a more "pure" kubuntu install, any way to do that short of reinstalling a new kubuntu install? i'd rather not lose all my documents and settings i've already made in my kubuntu install [00:28] Blimpo: That my friend is real tough. For an idea of how much see: https://github.com/aysiu/purebuntu ; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelubuntu <-Getting Back to a Pure *Lubuntu./// Adapt to your personal use case ! [00:30] oh wow that's slick [00:30] thanks [00:35] that python script did the trick i think outside of removing amarok but i can reinstall it no problem [00:48] Blimpo: Blimpo Great :D [00:51] hello giuys, i cant make a bootable usb [00:51] some help please? [00:51] what have you tried? [00:52] woeusb [00:52] select my wxp iso [00:52] xp? lol [00:52] yep [00:52] i want to use my ezbook for retro gaming [00:53] audio in this kind of laptop doesnt works [00:53] so my idea is to install a light os just to emulate retro consolle [00:53] well, there are other programs for writing isos. even the dd command [00:53] Carlito98890: This is #ubuntu, please take it with the ##Windows guys. [00:53] rufus? [00:54] but im running ubuntu.. [00:54] how dare you!! [00:54] og wait, nm [00:55] what's the problem? finding a windows image? or modifying it before writing it? or writing it? [00:56] *are* there images of windows installers intended for use from a usb stick? [00:56] cant make a bootable usb [00:56] excellent question [00:56] woeusb does everything ok [00:57] but when i boot my usb, system doesnt view it and boot ubuntu ( second on priority ) [00:57] Carlito98890: that that is the end of the support you will get here. Not only can we not support Windows here, we certainly cannot support a version of Windows that even Microsoft condemns(Windows XP) [00:57] if you hit f11 to select a device directly, do you see uefi or normal options? [00:58] left, i'm not in windows [00:58] i'm on ubuntu [00:59] i don't undestand what is not clear [01:00] Carlito98890: you installed woeusb. It flashes an ISO. That is the scope of support this channel can provide. Anything beyond that is a problem with your ISO or your hardware. === zbenjamin is now known as Guest88210 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === DetectiveTaco is now known as Mahjong^ === Mahjong^ is now known as DetectiveNarco [01:46] I saw some news that the Ubuntu devs are working on native ZFS root install [01:47] Is that correct? [01:49] Native encryption without using LUKS? [01:49] UNIcodeX: it's a bit complicated I think -- the curtin installer, used by maas and some of the server install discs, can handle some cases already [01:50] UNIcodeX: looks like the native encryption support isn't in our tools yet https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux [01:50] UNIcodeX: the newest we've got is 0.7.12, and encryption was added upstream in 0.8.x [01:51] sarnold: Interesting. I'm no stranger to using a server installer to get what I want out of, essentially, a desktop configuration. [01:51] sarnold: thanks for the info === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:19] good morning to all [03:04] how would i go about configuring a usb c port to be a device/appear as a serial port to another computer? [03:05] usb to serial is probably the way to go. there's loads of them, and I don't think linux supports them all. I'd be surprised if anyone's got a usb-c model yet, so it migth take a hub or adapter .. [03:07] sarnold, i'm trying to get build a device and I want to have it accessible via usb from a host computer [03:08] and I was hoping that usb c would make that easy, since i'm having a hard time finding a sbc with a b port (or maybe i'm being stupid) [03:11] Hello, anyone here? [03:12] !ask | mazaduk [03:12] mazaduk: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [03:13] Oh, ok. I want to get a job as an linux admin, maybe with Ubuntu tools. I have no experience. Blueprint/path for getting a job at Canonical as a support engineer or dedicated junior sysadmin somewhere? [03:14] lotuspsychje how do you reply to someone? [03:15] mazaduk: like this [03:15] !patience [03:15] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ [03:15] mnathani: do I need the colon? [03:16] Yeah there are like at least a hundred people here; I hope someone has job advice lol [03:16] clear [03:17] mazaduk: shows that you intend to reply to that person, rather than just say something about that person, also I think some IRC clients will actually notify the person when they detect the name being mentioned like that [03:17] oh cool [03:17] I want to get a job as an linux admin, maybe with Ubuntu tools. I have no experience. Blueprint/path for getting a job at Canonical as a support engineer or dedicated junior sysadmin somewhere [in the nyc area]? [03:17] mazaduk: try starting by reading this http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [03:17] ^just repeated my question with location update [03:17] I noticed [03:17] oh is that Raymond? [03:18] mnathani: what an archlinux move to make ahaha [03:19] not sure what you are referring to [03:19] but if you want to get a job as a linux admin, you need to learn some of the skills mentioned in that article [03:19] You sharing that link about how to ask "smart" questions. [03:20] please keep it ontopic [03:20] I'm not asking a specific technical question about a bug for a certain program; just wanted to know how to get from 0 to Canonical. [03:20] That is not a topic for this channel. [03:21] mazaduk: this is an ubuntu support channel, fits ubuntu related questions [03:21] Not sure how I can ask a "smarter" question than the one I have (in terms of being specific) [03:21] @lotuspsychje is there a better channel? [03:21] !ot | mazaduk yes [03:21] mazaduk yes: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [03:22] Wait, what's this channel's topic? I typed /topic and it says "Insufficient arguments for command." [03:24] ok. [03:24] -_- [03:26] mazaduk: most admin jobs at canonical would benefit from strong openstack, juju, kubernetes, experience. try installing the microk8s snap on your systems, configure lxd, configure some openstack clouds on a dozen machines, etc. [03:27] mazaduk: write juju charms to deploy your own infrastructure at home [03:27] mazaduk: maybe use maas to bring up your openstack clusters [03:27] mazaduk: time for me to run, I hope this is enough to get you started [03:29] mazaduk: perhaps join #juju and #openstack-charms to learn more about what sarnold is referring to [03:33] Oh I haven't heard of juju before; thanks @sarnold and timClicks [03:33] you're welcome, have fun :) [03:34] it's marketing is probably juju's biggest weakness (but I would say that, I'm on the core team) [03:35] oh, is juju like ansible with gui? [03:35] it looks like that at first [03:36] but it also handles teardown and upgrades much more effectively imo [03:37] Are there any free resources to get started? I found a serverguide.pdf at help.ubuntu.com for 18.04; is that a good start? [03:45] mazaduk: yes, that's a pretty decent introduction to the simpler bits that we've got [03:45] what's the best way to transfer a (k)Ubuntu install from one machine to another? [03:47] I set up a bunch of packages and a dev environment on Kubuntu 19.04 on a netbook to test it; but I realized I need more perfomance out of it, so I'd like to transfer the install to a more powerful laptop I have [03:56] coolstar: I'd probably used dpkg's get-seelctions and set-selections to transfer package choices [03:56] coolstar: and rsync for home dir [03:56] sarnold: ah ok; will try that [03:57] coolstar: (though its not the worst thing in the world to have a bit of a blank slate for packages ;) [03:57] sarnold: I have a lot of package dependencies I have installed for uni programming assignments lol [03:58] that's why I'd like to migrate the packages as-is [03:58] coolstar: alrighty :) iirc apt-get install -f is the tool to use after set-seelctions [03:58] but it's been ages [04:02] sarnold: I'm guessing I can just copy /etc/apt/sources.list.d over to the new machine? [04:02] (and sources.list) [04:04] coolstar: yes [05:01] ended up having to fiddle with dselect a bit; but looks like everything migrated fine [05:02] rsyncing the home dir + using dselect worked; setup seems to be identical across both machines now (outside of one being way faster) === Tempesta is now known as Guest5254 [05:28] Hi, I got a certain problem. I have a VPN from an office that I need to be connected to, to be able to work. But when I am connected to this VPN, the rest of the internet stops working. Is there a way that I could use the VPN only for determinaded hostnames? [05:32] I want to watch the closed-camera video. These are the things I have borrowed from the bank: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XDGR6bRNrP/ (recorded by the bank camera) Using what program can I open the movie? [05:34] I tried to open the directory by VLC, but It can't: "Unidentified codec: VLC could not identify the audio or video codec" [05:58] can anyone provide detail how systemd work linux system [05:59] !systemd | randomel [05:59] randomel: systemd is the default init system for Ubuntu 15.04 onwards. For information on transitioning from upstart to systemd, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers For a guide to basic service management with systemd, see https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units [06:01] ubottu thanks for sharing informational content regarding systemd [06:01] randomel: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [06:04] can Anyone provide the best content to learn linux System admin level knowledge or atleast what knowledge require for linux system level admin [06:04] randomel: this channel is not for linux lessons, only ubuntu support questions [06:05] ok [06:09] Why does apport (I think it's name is that) "disallows" reporting core dumps, when unrelated updates have not been installed? [06:09] Evolution crashed, and my missing updates are: "libqt5core5a, libqt5dbus5, libqt5gui5, libqt5network5, libqt5opengl5, libqt5printsupport5, libqt5sql5, libqt5sql5-sqlite, libqt5widgets5, libqt5xml5 [06:15] Are you sure Evolution doesn't use qt? === shann_ is now known as shann [06:16] I cannot be sure, as I haven't built it. [06:16] It just feels I am seeing that message all-too-often without a reason, and it's a shame that an "update" that came a bit ago, would not allow the cores to be reported [06:19] Yea, I understand the frustration but I can also see why apport would want everything to be up to date. [06:23] Hi [06:24] When a new printer is printing squares instead of certain characters, where lies the problem? [06:24] HP Laserjet ^^ [06:33] how to check if smbd is running? [06:51] when i define an alias it only works in that specific terminal window [06:52] how can i make it global? [06:52] untakenstupidnic: put it in your .bashrc [06:53] onizu: systemctl status smbd [06:54] I think I solved it, I had to select an earlier version of the printer PPD [07:03] ok EriC^^ [07:22] How can i update my kernel in ubuntu [07:23] i ran apt update and apt upgrade, but i still have an outdated kernel [07:24] My kernel is 2.6.2 [07:24] ok, so i'm running disco now [07:28] but - where can i find a screensaver?? [07:29] ok, what has ubuntu done [07:29] i'm running gnome session fallback.. on a i3 machine with 2 GB RAM [07:30] opening a few tabs in chrome completely renders my machine useless [07:30] the mouse freezes nearly entirely.. it's like the machine has gotten a stroke [07:30] and nothing i can do to save it from this state.. waiting doesn't help [07:30] jack-: xscreensaver [07:32] Chrome eats a lot of ram. [07:32] Your machine has 2gb of ram [07:32] > what has ubuntu done [07:32] You should use firefox or something like that [07:33] olavx200: ok, so your recommendation is to use firefox? [07:33] zamba: I would try that :) [07:33] I have an thinkpad x200 with 3gb of ram and i can run a lot of tabs in firefox or qutebrowser [07:34] the problem is that i have everything synced in chrome [07:44] in ubuntu 18.04 is there any keyboard shortcut option to minimize a window? I've got this program that goes full screen and can't find the way to minimize it without killing it. Thanks [07:47] gofio: alt+space then n [07:49] EriC^^: thanks! gonna try. I'm into this second monitor that has some resolution or however said issue and some windows go outside the screen, so to say [07:49] zamba: chorme is also closed source and sends your data to google if you care about that too. [07:49] chrome [07:50] EriC^^: just worked great, alt+space it opens up the menu. Thanks [07:50] np [07:51] zamba: you can also dedicate some disk space to swap memory [07:53] On my x200 i have 4G of swap memory. [07:54] Hi all [07:54] How to get 'beep' working? I want beep to produce on of the default system sounds [07:54] Currently there is no any sound when I type: beep [07:55] Check if it is enable in your bios/uefi [07:57] OnkelTem: is this a laptop? [07:57] EriC^^: no, a desktop. With Kubuntu 18.04 [07:57] oh ok [07:58] check the bios for some pc speaker stuff or something [07:58] as suggested above [07:58] I don't want pc speaker sound of course. I want one of those fancy SoundBlaster sounds :) [07:59] In Personalization/Notifications settings group I cannot find anything like "Default system notification" or something [07:59] OnkelTem: Do you want to change notification sound? [08:00] That isnt the same as the beep sound necesarily [08:00] olavx200: no, I want ANY sound to be played in the first place when I issue "beep". I need it for scripting [08:00] "command; beep" - an example [08:01] to get notified [08:02] You need to enable it in your bios/uefi [08:04] I don't remember I saw it there. And that's said - how do they related? Why should I depend on some bios/uefi... [08:04] are* [08:04] If you run beep, do you get the message "beep: Error: Could not open any device" [08:04] no, just silence [08:05] and emptiness... :) [08:05] Yeah I feel empty too. As a matter of fact it's a long-running problem for me. I haven't been using beep normally for years [08:06] Every time I start to investiage this issue - I don't find any solution [08:06] And every new release I try to get it fix, but no chances [08:06] The beep is a seperate device from the speaker. [08:06] It might depend on your terminal emulator though [08:06] Konsole [08:07] printf '\a' to make the terminal emulator itself make a beep [08:09] geirha: yeah, no sound either [08:09] I'd say that's more of a "doop" [08:09] OnkelTem= have you used hdmi recently? [08:10] lotuspsychje: thx - its running now :) do you know a way to activate "cinnamon-screensaver" without cinnamon? [08:10] cfhowlett: nope [08:25] How can i update my kernel. [08:26] !kernel | olavx200 [08:26] olavx200: The core of Ubuntu is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, and if you need to troubleshoot issues, you can try a !Mainline kernel instead, but if you insist, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile (see also !Stages) [08:55] hi,i tried to follow this tuto https://dustymabe.com/2015/07/06/encrypting-more-boot-joins-the-party/(that worked out on ubuntu 18.04 2 momths ago).now i tried it on ubuntu discodingo abd the command that should return "insmod cryptodik" does return nothing.any ideas? [08:56] with the consequence that encrypting /boot is not possible [09:00] diffy: those instructions are terribly wrong! [09:01] diffy: the reason the "cat /boot/grub2/grub.cfg | grep cryptodisk" fails is because 'cryptodisk' won't be added until after the step in the next section has been done, the "echo GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y >> /etc/default/grub" followed by "update-gub" [09:01] diffy: also, Ubuntu does't use /boot/grub2/ it used /boot/grub/ [09:02] diffy: have you already created the separate LUKS-encrypted /boot/ file-system? [09:05] as i said i followed the instructions for several times on debian and once for ubuntu and it worked,but i will have a look at your suggestions [09:05] diffy: I've been doing that stuff since 2007; those instructions are NOT correct for Ubuntu [09:06] greetings! i'm gonna install ubuntu next to windows 7, the laptop has UEFI... do i need some special way for a boot usb stick or is mkusb and some other software enough? [09:06] i figured it already out that /boot/grub2 doesnt work.must be /boot/grub [09:06] the one that makes bootable iso [09:08] rud0lf, provided you create your bootable usb correctly, you should be OK. I've seen people need to switch the boot from UEFI to either BIOS or Legacy (depending on the system) [09:08] diffy: also this "Unfortunately this does mean that you have to type your password twice " is not correct if you add a keyfile in another LUKS slot and install cryptsetup-initramfs (available since 18.10 cosmic) you can avoid entering the password again [09:08] TJ,i believe you,but on the ubuntu bionicbeaver i am running right now it worked.but since i am a noob could you refer me to a tuto that would be working for discodingo? [09:09] diffy: have you already created the LUKS-encrypted /boot/ ? [09:09] true,i need to type passwd twice,but i am fine with that [09:09] willksm: thank you for help [09:10] right now i am just about to make a new install and wonder how to proceed for the /boot encryption [09:11] diffy: OK, are you installing from the GUI LiveISO installer? [09:11] yes [09:11] diffy: right, so first thing is, start it using the "Try Ubuntu" choice so you can operate an independent terminal [09:11] !dualboot | rud0lf [09:11] rud0lf: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [09:12] ok [09:12] diffy: also, ensure the installer is started in the boot-mode you want to install for. By that I mean if the system has UEFI and you want to install for UEFI make sure the firmware boot-loader menu starts the installer in UEFI mode, not BIOS/Legacy/CSM mode [09:12] rud0lf: keep in mind that w7 goes eol end of the year, more info at ##windows [09:13] lotuspsychje: thanks, i understand dual boot, did it few times.. i'm worried about uefi which i never did [09:13] i figure ubuntu install is smart enought to detect uefi [09:13] diffy: once you're at the desktop you need to ensure the installation target device has sufficient space for the /boot/ file-system. I'd recommend a minimum of 750MB to avoid problems with accumulated older kernel images, which can cause problems thorugh running out of space on /boot/ [09:13] its supposed to be for an old thinkpad,so it should be for BIOS/LEGACY [09:14] diffy: does the target install device already have a partition table and partitions you need to preserve? [09:14] where can i make the selection for the boot-mode? [09:15] no ,there is nothing to be preserved on [09:15] diffy: if the PC is BIOS-only it doesn't matter. That is just for UEFI systems when doing a manual boot selection (because they often don't make it obvious which mode the installer will use) [09:15] diffy: Great, that makes it easy for you! [09:15] good news! [09:15] diffy: you can simply blow the existing disk content and over-write with the ideal layout [09:16] ok,how do i proceed further? [09:16] diffy: You've got 2 choices here; pre-prepare the basic layout on the disk from terminal before starting the installer, OR start the installer, do some manual partitioning then pause it and switch to a terminal to set the LUKS encryption layout, then switch back into the installer [09:17] diffy: one caveat here is, after the installer completes its work DO NOT immediately do a reboot since there are a couple of things you need to do post-install to ensure the installed OS will boot :) [09:18] pre-preparing the basic layout,does that mean doing the partioning? [09:18] diffy: yes, using either gparted GUI or command-line tools to create the basic partitioning layout, and then doing the encryptioin of the partition for /boot/, opening it, creating the file-system in it [09:19] diffy: how urgent is this? It seems like something I should document in a web page for you and others to follow [09:20] that would be very cool if you did some detailed comment on it [09:20] and yes ,the whole encryption topic is very important to me [09:21] i try to encrypt everything possible [09:21] hi all. i enlarged the separate /home partition with gparted. this went smooth, and ubuntu still uses it as her /home. but what also happened is that now the partition isn't recognised as a separate 'device' which can be mounted. not by ubuntu. nor the other distro's populating this pc. what can be done? [09:27] !ping [09:27] pong! [09:27] diffy: I'll download disco installer now and go through it in a VM, take screenshots and detail the exact commands... will take me a few hours total before it's ready for consumption though :) [09:29] mandje: if Ubuntu still mounts /home/ then it is OK, did you change the file-system itself (such as its UUID ) ? [09:35] thanx a lot! [09:57] diffy: I'll publish on this URL once its done so keep an eye on it. I'll put "Warning: Work In Progress" at the top until it is finished as well, so you don't use it until it's correct! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 [09:59] thank you for all the work [10:00] Hey, i still have issue with too much RAM being used, i closed firefox and all, there is still far too much ram being used, any help with that please: https://imgur.com/a/mAqlty3 [10:01] Nearly 6 Ggb and it's just fluxbox, when i start the session it was like 500 Mb used. [10:01] started [10:06] akem: what does "free" show ? [10:06] akem: that 'top' output doesn't show any problems [10:07] TJ-, Mem: 8055940 5628692 1448360 79492 978888 2092072 [10:07] TJ-, i know but it's not normal. [10:09] It should be using like 2 Gb at most with nearly no app and fluxbox, and it grows up to more than 6 Gb if i use firefox for ex. And with gnome or cinnamon the computer gets unresponsive, it's after 1 night of sitting. [10:10] TJ-, even logging out/in does not fix the issue. With 17.10 i could let the computer runs for weeks without restarting anything with gnome (i just restarted the gnome-shell sometimes). [10:11] akem: so it feels like a creeping leak ? [10:12] TJ-, I don't know but i'd like to fix this issue, cause i can't use the computer this way. [10:13] akem: can you show us "pastebinit <( ps -efly )" [10:15] TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nchmj2C5ym/ [10:17] akem: quick question: does the memory usage drop if you both log-out AND stop the gdm session (from a tty do "systemctl stop gdm3.service" [10:17] akem: 2 things I suspect on a quick scan of the process list: NTFS mounts, and Samba smbd [10:19] I don't have any samba share set up but i use them sometimes, i used them with no problem on 17.10, and the mount is my Windows partitions and data D:\ partition. Ok i'll try to log out and use that command and i'll be back. [10:19] ubuntu just bumbed openvpn, a universe package? color me enthused [10:20] akem: I also seem to be seeing you've got 2 GUI session, Wayland and Xorg [10:20] now if you could only do it for wpa_supplicant (not universe) [10:20] bumped, sorry [10:20] akik: You've got wayland on tty1 and Xorg on tty3 as far as I can see [10:21] TJ-, no the memory usage remains. [10:22] was there any shakeup in the security team around new years? i'm asking 'cause they've gone from sluggish to stellar? [10:24] akem: remains... but how about if you boot the system to multi-user.target and leave it there, without starting the GUI? You could test that overnight whilst sleeping. See if memory usage has increased whilst you sleep. If it doesn't you've started to narrow down the cause. [10:25] akem: as in, on kernel command-line, using "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" [10:26] TJ-, i write "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" as grub boot parameter? [10:27] akem: yes, on the kernel command-line, the one that begins "linux ..." and has 'quiet splash' on it [10:28] akem: that'll make the system start with the text consoles but no GUI [10:28] TJ-, okay i'll do that and i'll let you know. Thanks for the help. [10:29] akem: if you still have growing memory usage capture the "ps -efly" again so we can see what was running when it happened [10:29] akem: it could be an obscure kernel issue but I doubt that right now [10:30] akem: I'll keep your current 'ps -efly' to compare if needed [10:30] TJ-, Ok, thanks. [10:38] Howdy folks [10:39] hmmm, why does the guest cursor disappear when using libvirt/QEMU to run a guest, when switching out of the guest to do things, e.g. take a screenshot? [10:42] does anyone know a way to run cinnamon-screensaver without cinnamon? [10:42] Hi all. I am stuck in a login screen loop on my Ubuntu 19.04 Gnome. Any help? [10:43] does anyone know a way to run gnome-screensaver without gnome? [10:44] TJ-: btw i wanted to mention that i use the kernel boot flag "pci=noaer" otherwise i get flooded with some kernel messages and i remember on 17.10 it was taking all the disk space in the system logs but that option get rid of that issue, but could it be something like that but in RAM? [10:47] sazawal: if you click the little gear icon at login can you choose a desktop environment like gnome or cinnamon? [10:49] akem, yes. I only have Gnome classic, Ubuntu and Ubuntu Wayland there. None of which are working at the moment. [10:50] akem: I'd have to investigate, but in general we do know about some systems (motherboards/firmware) that have faulty PCI-AER implementations. Off top of my head I don't think AER should cause memory leaks/loss [10:52] akem: actually, lets roll back. I can imagine scenarios where PCIe errors could eat up invisible memory [10:53] sazawal: it's all gnome, i would try to install another one like cinnamon from the console, reboot and see if i can log with it maybe, then try to fix the gnome one...or alternatively uninstall and reinstall gnome directly. [10:54] akem: can you show me "pastebinit <( journalctl -k )" [10:54] akem, I was thinking to install gnome-fallback or flashback [10:54] do you think its a good idea? [10:55] sazawal: i would try something else than gnome there are other DE or window manager. [10:55] TJ-: ok np wait a sec i'm in console mode. [10:55] akem, okay. [10:57] TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GNRP8PcpWK [10:59] Hi! Ubuntu 16.04. For some reason I can't ctrl alt arrows to switch workspace, nor snap a window to an edge to make it half screen. This is on a shared account so I have no idea which modifications were applied. On a freshly created account both work. [10:59] Any idea what to touch? [10:59] akem: thanks; would you happen to still have log-files around containg some of those AER error messages? [11:00] TJ-: No. but i could try to boot again without the pci=noaer next time. [11:01] Maybe some compiz settings were modified? [11:01] akem: that'd be useful, if only to be able to eliminate it as a possible cause. [11:01] what's ubuntu's policy on using NOPASSWD in sudoers? i'm asking because cloud-init is still doing it for the default user and cloud-init is originally a ubuntu project [11:09] akik: best to ask that directly of the developers/packager(s) [11:09] akik: try asking in #ubuntu-devel [11:10] akik: or possibly #ubuntu-server (seeing as it's cloud-init) [11:10] cousteau: system up to date? [11:10] TJ-: i asked at #cloud-init but they thought it was business as usual "always been like that" [11:10] Oof... probably not [11:10] !uptodate | cousteau lets try that first [11:10] cousteau lets try that first: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [11:11] akik: hmmm, so #ubuntu-devel then or the mailing list for that team [11:11] I can update it later. It's a machine that's rarely connected to the internet [11:12] cousteau: for volunteers its a bit hard to troubleshoot, knowing the problem could come from outdated kernel or security flaws, hope you understand [11:13] I see [11:13] In fact I think it's not a bad idea to update [11:14] cousteau: something else to try is installing compizconfig-settings-manager and see whats enabled and what not [11:14] Yes, I was thinking on doing that [11:15] cousteau: some compiz settings/plugins fight with each other, making the other not work for example [11:18] cousteau: if a fresh user account doesn't have the issue, you might be able to find the setting via grep-ing $HOME/.config/ for something - not sure what though! [11:18] cousteau: sounds like a bindings issue [11:20] Yeah I was trying looking around there [11:20] CCSM seems to be helping [11:21] using SCREEN, is it possible to make respawn the child process if it dies for whatever reason? [11:23] I still can't figure out how to get Windows to boot [11:23] leonardus: ##windows can help [11:23] nope, they always say that they don't give support for dual boot [11:23] should have clarified, windows won't boot after installing ubuntu [11:24] leonardus: can you share the process of how you installed exactly? volunteers might have ideas [11:25] sure. I burned the ubuntu live iso onto a flash drive, booted that, and selected the disk I had gentoo previously installed on, and wrote over that [11:25] there is a Microsoft directory in /boot/efi/EFI, but running grub-mkconfig and update-grub don't make an entry. I also can't boot it from the UEFI menu on my motherboard [11:25] #+1 deals with eoan, right? [11:26] jack-: yes [11:26] ok [11:26] leonardus: are you in the live usb right now? [11:26] I've installed ubuntu already so no [11:27] leonardus: I think I mentioned to you yesterday that on UEFI it isn't GRUBs jog to start Windows, it is the motherboard's firmware boot manager [11:27] ok, so boot it [11:27] leonardus: "efibootmgr" command will show what EFI boot entries are in its menu [11:27] TJ-: here is the output of efibootmgr https://termbin.com/gl39 [11:28] Windows won't boot from the motherboard either, it just reloads the menu [11:28] leonardus: ubuntu is working you mean? [11:28] Yeah ubuntu boots just fine [11:28] ah ok [11:28] leonardus: OK, so that means there's something wrong with the Windows install. It could be it didn't install in UEFI mode - depends on which Windows version it is though [11:28] leonardus: try efibootmgr -v please [11:29] leonardus: also sudo ls -lR /boot/efi [11:29] paste both [11:29] and preferrably lsblk -f as well [11:29] https://termbin.com/m91h9 https://termbin.com/ah6u https://termbin.com/vndk [11:30] windows was booting fine before I had ubuntu installed so I don't think it's anything wrong with windows itself [11:30] leonardus: the microsoft efi file isnt in /boot/efi/efi anymore [11:31] so that explains it going back to the menu [11:31] leonardus: as EriC^^ says, you can see that the UEFI FW is looking for "\EFI\MICROSOFT\BOOT\BOOTMGFW.EFI" [11:32] hmm. I wonder what went wrong then [11:32] leonardus: do you have a windows installation disk? [11:32] yeah [11:32] it's easy to recover the bootloader https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln300987/how-to-repair-the-efi-bootloader-on-a-gpt-hdd-for-windows-7-8-8-1-and-10-on-your-dell-pc?lang=en [11:32] thanks, I'll try that. one sec [11:34] leonardus: is it a usb install by any chance? [11:34] Yeah [11:34] Well what do you mean [11:34] take note on the final command you need to use a certain option for usb installs [11:34] is the disk that has ubuntu and windows a usb [11:36] leonardus: 1 sec, the windows partition doesnt seem to be there unless it's the sdb or sdc ones? [11:36] Windows is the 256gb drive [11:37] leonardus: can you paste 'sudo parted -ls' ? [11:37] I'm in the windows repair disk right now [11:37] ah that's a shame, i'd stop [11:38] i think windows might have been installed in legacy mode not uefi [11:38] cause sdb doesnt have an efi partition and it wouldnt have used the efi off of sda anyways [11:38] Hi all. I am using Ubuntu 19.04. After today's update of gnome-shell, I was stuck in a login screen loop. I had to install gnome-sessions-fallback to login. The default Ubuntu is still not working. How do I troubleshoot the problem? [11:38] boot back into ubuntu, run parted -ls, if the partition table is msdos, it means it was legacy booting for sure [11:39] leonardus: if you want, choosing legacy mode and sdb as your first disk in the bios should boot windows, unless the mbr bootloader got overwritten somehow [11:39] !info gnome-shell disco [11:40] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.32.1-1ubuntu1~19.04.1 (disco), package size 677 kB, installed size 3349 kB [11:40] If it is installed in legacy mode I could really just reinstall it. I didn't put anything important on there, I only use it when I need to run programs that are incompatible with Linux. [11:40] sazawal: i noticed a bug today, can you see if this could be you too? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1831578 [11:40] Launchpad bug 1831578 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in stack_do_window_deletions() from stack_ensure_sorted() from get_default_focus_window() from meta_stack_get_default_focus_window() from focus_ancestor_or_top_window()" [Undecided,New] [11:41] EriC^^: https://termbin.com/hn6g [11:43] leonardus: oh ok, it's using gpt so it was uefi [11:44] kinda odd windows would put the uefi on another disk, anyways, try the bootloader install again if you havent already [11:45] yeah I did that and got some "Permission Denied" when I tried running `bootrec /FixBoot` [11:45] gpt supports legacy bios too [11:46] BluesKaj: on windows? [11:46] lotuspsychje: I can't say if this is it. Atleast I don't see such a problem in logs. [11:46] Would reinstalling Windows fix it? [11:46] leonardus: did you mount the efi partition and cd to it and stuff [11:46] yeah [11:46] EriC^^, oh, my mistake, not sure about windows [11:47] sazawal: nothing in var/log/crash ? [11:47]