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* vorlon waves15:01
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* mwhudson appears in a puff of smoke15:02
juliankyou are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike15:02
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waveformgo north15:03
cyphermoxmwhudson: chair?15:03
juliankmwhudson realizes the d-i component he picked up is a chair15:03
mwhudsoncyphermox: please not15:03
cyphermoxXD15:04
gaughen#startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team15:06
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Jun  6 15:06:02 2019 UTC.  The chair is gaughen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:06
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gaughen#topic Lightning rounds15:06
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gaughenxnox bdmurray vorlon tdaitx mwhudson infinity juliank rbalint sil2100 waveform doko cyphermox15:06
gaughenxnox, you won!15:06
gaughenor did cyphermox win?15:06
bdmurrayworked with webops regarding retracers unable to connect to cassandra15:07
bdmurrayreported bug regarding tar extract xattrs only doing user.* (LP: #1831150)15:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1831150 in tar (Ubuntu) "only user.* extended attributes restored upon extraction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183115015:07
rbalint(headlight) xnox enabled lz415:07
bdmurrayalso reported it upstream to the GNU bug tracker15:07
gaughenbdmurray, go while xnox is away15:08
bdmurrayresearch into history of the addition of xattrs support into tar15:08
bdmurraysent an email to the bug-tar mailing list regarding extract and xattrs15:08
bdmurrayreviewed mlocate thread, sent summary to foundations mailing list15:08
bdmurraylooked into how Fedora, CentOS install and configure mlocate15:08
bdmurraycommented on snapcraft forum post re: offline do-release-upgrade and snap transition15:08
bdmurraymeetings regarding rls- tagged bug backlog and review of bugs15:08
bdmurray✔ done15:08
bdmurrayvorlon:15:08
vorlon * laying out specs for the cycle roadmap15:08
vorlon * reviewing specs15:08
vorlon * discussions around architectures15:08
vorlon * SRU reviews15:08
vorlon * livecd-rootfs SRUs for minimal images; and another one in the pipe to fix snap seeding on bionic15:08
vorlon(done)15:09
tdaitxOut on most of Tuesday because I enjoy waiting in lines for appointments.15:09
tdaitx* report on removed debian packages that might be blocking proposed-migration15:09
tdaitx  - based on code from process-removals (probably should be extracted as a lib later on)15:09
tdaitx  - looking at other scripts that generate reports (isn't there a way other than mixing python and html?)15:09
tdaitx* looking over improving openjdk autopkgtests15:09
tdaitx  - fetching buildlogs and autopkgtest results to filter out unstable tests from the openjdk testsuite15:09
tdaitxOther:15:09
tdaitx- keeping track of the openjdk pre-releases15:09
tdaitx(done)15:09
mwhudsongot reusing-partitions into review15:09
mwhudsonlooked at finalrd-related autopkgtest failures15:09
mwhudsonthinking about unattended server installs15:09
mwhudson(fin)15:09
mwhudsonoh yeah and flew to europe with small children15:09
vorlonbdmurray: do you have a link to the offline do-release-upgrade question?15:10
bdmurrayvorlon: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/offline-do-release-upgrades-from-xenial-to-bionic-introducing-snap-pkgs/11327/515:10
mwhudsontdaitx: well the report i added uses jinja215:10
sil2100No infinity?15:11
sil2100juliank15:12
juliank * (was out last week Wed, Thu, and Fri)15:12
juliank * Uploaded apport/xenial that fixes its linux vs. linux-signed autopkgtest failure15:12
juliank * SRUed lvm2 fix for path of systemd-run in 69-lvm-metad.rules (LP: #1830169)15:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1830169 in Ubuntu on IBM z Systems "lvm udev rule fails to call systemd-run" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183016915:12
juliank * Analysed other apport/xenial autopkgtest failures re launchpad interaction15:12
juliank * Investigating autopkgtest failures for my pending SRUs15:12
juliank(done I think)15:12
rbalint(two weeks with ~one on vacation)15:12
rbalint* proposed patch for qemu LP: #1823872 to let other security updates installed when the installed unattended-upgrades is not fixed, released throught -security* proposed patch for qemu LP: #1823872 to let other security updates installed when the installed unattended-upgrades is not fixed, released throught -security15:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1823872 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Trusty) "Fixing fsfreeze-hook can break unattended upgrades" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182387215:13
rbalint* fixed LP: #183042715:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1830427 in ec2-hibinit-agent (Ubuntu Disco) "Instance may loose network connectivity after resuming the 2nd time" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183042715:13
rbalint* unattended-upgrades fixes15:13
rbalint* Fixed 16.04 WSL app that installed 18.04 accidentally15:13
rbalint* updated wireshark through Debian to 2.6.915:13
rbalint* updated gce-compute-image-packages to 20190522 including preparing SRUs15:13
rbalint* uploaded updated waylandpp to unstable then synced it to eoan15:13
rbalint* partner work15:13
rbalint(done)15:13
sil2100- SRU reviews and releases15:13
sil2100- Ouchy on Friday, had PM off15:13
sil2100- Kernel SRU releases - phasing out the releases this time15:13
sil2100- Short DMB meeting (no quorum)15:13
sil2100- Preparing two solution-propositions for the classic preinstalled image /boot/grub upgrade problem15:13
sil2100  * One in livecd-rootfs and one in ubuntu-image - not sure which is the best way15:13
sil2100- Modifying kernel-sru-release to support releasing kernels to -updates and then -security only15:13
sil2100- Poking people for testing the -security updated toolchain packages15:13
sil2100- Copying the toolchain packages to -proposed, making sure they look good15:13
sil2100- NEW reviews:15:13
sil2100  * BinNEW review of ubuntustudio-look15:14
sil2100  * A NEW review of lsp-plugins, iterating on the package some more, finally approved - still waiting for fixes for all arches15:14
sil2100- Reviewing and releasing of Dave's new u-boot merge15:14
sil2100- Melting, too hot here15:14
sil2100(done)15:14
waveform* Responded to comments on Pi Amazing spec15:14
waveform* Validated Pi3 armhf images work on Pi2 under all circumstances (including kernel upgrades, flash-kernel upgrades, switching cards between machines); prepped branch removing all the pi2 hacks and uboot.env stuff from flash-kernel15:14
waveform* Spent Wednesday feeling horrid :(15:14
waveform* Digging into Bluetooth on Pi under Ubuntu Core (needs firmware for 3B+, apparmor profiles for raw sockets, and a mechanism to disable UART and kernel serial console to avoid boot cycles)15:14
waveform* Proposed livecd-rootfs change to seed cloud-init from boot partition on Pi (changes to pi3-gadget are already committed)15:14
waveform(done)15:14
gaughendoko,15:14
doko- OpenJDK fun ...  Had a phone call with AdoptJDK and some Debian maintainers about the current versioning rants/issues. Up15:14
dokodated OpenJDK 8, LTS and 13 packages.15:14
doko- Python 3.8 beta115:14
doko- GCC clash protection and cet updates, together with amurray15:14
doko(done)15:14
tdaitxmwhudson: nice! thanks for the pointer15:14
gaughencyphermox,15:14
cyphermox- shim review: Endless, Newstart, Hiddn Security15:15
cyphermox- coordinating work for shim update / planning for signing artifact changes for shim 16 (reproducible builds)15:15
cyphermox- networkmanager autopkgtests / handoff to desktop team15:15
cyphermox- re-started grub2 merge + grub-initrd-fallback.service changes / bootctl support15:15
cyphermox- more on 'netplan info' spec / proof of concept15:15
cyphermox- walinuxagent update (bug LP: #1827995)15:15
cyphermox- consulting on some NAC questions15:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1827995 in walinuxagent (Ubuntu) "Request to integrate Microsoft's new Azure Linux Agent 2.2.40" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182799515:15
cyphermox(done)15:15
gaughen#topic Release incoming bugs (bionic)15:15
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gaughen#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:15
bdmurraybug 183125215:15
ubottubug 1831252 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Bionic) "panic=-1 is completely ignored by the initrd causing unexpected behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183125215:15
bdmurraythat's an ee bug I guess I jumped the gun15:16
juliankNo foundations bugs in bb-incoming15:16
rbalinthttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:16
gaughen#topic Release incoming bugs (eoan)15:17
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gaughen#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:17
bdmurraybug 183125215:17
ubottubug 1831252 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Bionic) "panic=-1 is completely ignored by the initrd causing unexpected behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183125215:17
bdmurrayogra: Are you planning on working on that bug?15:17
ograbdmurray, i discussed it with xnox and thought this is foundations land15:18
ograwe have fixed it downstream for the specific customer that had issues with it though (by simply setting panic=30)15:19
ograso i wasnt actually planning to ...15:19
vorlonI don't understand how the initramfs handling of the panic argument on the kernel commandline in any way impacts the kernel's behavior15:19
ograit doesnt15:20
vorlonI expect that to be handled in kernel15:20
vorlonI agree it's foundations' responsibility if there's a bug in initramfs-tools15:20
vorlonI just don't yet understand the stated bug15:20
vorlonI guess we should take it for investigation15:21
cyphermoxotoh later you'll have a mangled kernel cmdline in userspace; is that an issue? why are we even mucking with panic= in initramfs?15:21
ograpanic=-1 is a kernel option to force immediate reboot (vs using a positive value for delay)15:21
vorloncyphermox: the kernel commandline is not writable by init15:21
cyphermoxvorlon: no, but things in initramfs may want it for some reason15:21
cyphermoxand it would be in some environment, even if it's not modified in /proc/cmdline15:22
ograand in the initrd script there is no handling of negative values so it drops you to a shell instead of rebooting15:22
vorlonright, so if the kernel panics, it itself should see the panic=-1 on the (immutable) commandline15:22
vorlonand reboot15:22
cyphermoxyup15:22
vorlonand bugger userspace15:22
ograexcept that its not the kernel that panics but an initrd script that fails15:22
vorlonyou're saying the initramfs script fails because the option is set?15:22
ograthen the panic() function kicks in ... fails and drops to a shell15:22
ograyes15:23
vorlonok15:23
ograit has no handling for panic=-115:23
vorlonso yes, let's dig into that15:23
gaughenvorlon, thoughts on the importance?15:23
vorlongaughen: medium, really15:23
ograif you use secureboot you probably dont want the system to drop you into a shell at any time ... in case an admin has set panic=-115:23
gaughenshould we shove this discussion in the bug?15:23
ogras/shell/root shell/15:24
xnoxbah15:24
xnoxbah15:24
xnoxbah15:24
vorlonblack sheep15:24
bdmurrayhave you any wool?15:24
gaughenxnox!15:25
gaughenwelcome15:25
gaughenmissed you15:25
gaughenxnox, don't worry rbalint gave your status15:25
xnoxstatus report no ready: openssl, zecureboot, subiquity, systemd, kernel =)15:25
bdmurraybug 1823434 came out of rls-dd review15:25
ubottubug 1823434 in pkg-config (Ubuntu) "pkg-config ftbfs in disco" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182343415:25
gaughenxnox, we've moved on15:25
vorlonI've confirmed the build failure15:26
vorlonin ee15:26
vorlonI'm surprised it's not also reported in Debian, but it looks like we have a newer version than they do15:27
gaughenI think we should handle this one. Will card it15:28
vorlonI think we should (auto-)commit to all ftbfs fixes of our packages in main15:29
gaughenI'm okay with us quickly going through these, just quick.15:30
gaughennext one bdmurray!15:30
bdmurraybug 179836915:31
ubottubug 1798369 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Reinstall Ubuntu (with preserving existing data) shows error message due to "Could not get lock /target/var/cache/apt/archives/lock"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179836915:31
bdmurrayI tested this the other day and while I didn't get the same error message I did still get an error15:31
vorlondid this one come up in a different context last meeting?15:32
vorlonthe bug is familiar15:32
bdmurrayYes, does that option still exist was the question so I tested it15:32
cyphermoxwe did bring up other ubiqutiy bugs last meeting15:32
vorlonok15:32
xnoxvorlon:  panic is also used by initramfs, and drops to shell with '-1' setting instead of actually panicing kernel, for it to read panic= and do the instant reboot.15:34
xnoxvorlon:  the panic() function of initramfs.15:34
gaughenxnox, you're living in the past!15:34
gaughenwe've moved on15:34
vorlonxnox: so there's only impact if something else in the initramfs is broken15:34
xnoxvorlon:  yes.15:34
vorlonhence, medium15:35
bdmurrayThat's it for high bugs15:38
vorlonI notice this is in the list https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/182500115:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1825001 in apt (Ubuntu) "Allow archives to send a 4xx response to tell apt to try again later" [Wishlist,Triaged]15:39
vorlontriaged as wishlist15:39
vorlonbut it's a request from Canonical IS15:39
gaughenbdmurray and cyphermox are going to meet offline and burn through the whole ee list15:39
vorlonbecause they want to mitigate the impact of apt client requests when the pipe is over capacity15:40
juliankoh, god I was scrolled up in the buffer15:41
juliankSo the main issue I think is that systemd does not give us an option to do retries on timers15:42
xnoxvorlon:  do they want to return that to _all_ clients or _some_ clients?15:42
vorlonjuliank: added a comment to clarify: I think what we actually care about is a user agent in the apt requests15:42
vorlonxnox: ^^ that15:42
juliankvorlon: There's a different bug for interactive user agent15:42
vorlonah15:42
vorlonthen maybe this bug should be wontfix15:42
juliankvorlon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/182500015:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1825000 in apt (Ubuntu) "Add ability for mirrors to distinguish interactive and non-interactive apt runs" [Wishlist,Triaged]15:42
vorlonor fix released15:42
vorlonok then I think the latter (with the lower bug number) is the actually interesting one15:43
juliankvorlon: I want to have real retrying if something failed temporarily, but it's blocked on systemd15:43
juliankOr writing a daemon or something15:43
vorlonjuliank: ok, well I think /that/ is truly wishlist15:43
juliankYes, that's what I discussed w/ someone on IRC, and hence the reason why I marked it as wishlist15:44
vorlonwhereas injecting a different user agent for u-u so that the archive can selectively shed requests when under load is more important15:44
juliankBut that's not entirely clear15:44
juliankWe should inject a user agent when running from timers I guess15:44
vorlonjuliank: what do you think about bumping priority of LP: #1825000 and putting it in the queue?15:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1825000 in apt (Ubuntu) "Add ability for mirrors to distinguish interactive and non-interactive apt runs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182500015:44
vorlonyeah15:44
gaughenvorlon, juliank you two done?15:45
juliankLike, also for apt-get update which runs by apt-daily.timer15:45
gaughennope15:45
vorlon(do the json hooks give us enough now to inject a U-A header?)15:45
juliankLet's bump it to something useful15:45
juliankvorlon: No15:45
vorlonok15:45
gaughenjuliank, vorlon shall I card this?15:45
vorlongaughen: yes please15:45
bdmurrayOh, there was one more bug a friend brought up.15:46
gaughenmoving on15:46
gaughenoooh15:46
bdmurraybug 1831453 ;-)15:46
ubottubug 1831453 in subiquity (Ubuntu) "[Hyper-V] Install issue for Ubuntu 19.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183145315:47
gaughenoh me!15:47
gaughenI thought that would come up at the end in other topics15:47
gaughenthank you bdmurray15:47
bdmurrayWhat can I say except "you're welcome"15:47
gaughenbdmurray, did you see my eye rolling unicorn gif?15:48
gaughenI figured you'd see it since it involved a unicorn and I know how you feel about unicorns15:49
gaughenALTHOUGH, we still don't know who is responsible for the unicorn15:49
* gaughen is singing "let it go"15:50
vorlonI don't understand, what is the reason for this bug being brought in?15:51
vorlonwho is running subiquity in hyper-v?15:51
vorlonand why15:51
gaughenthe bug submitter15:51
vorlonI don't think it's a priority for us to support subiquity under hyper-v15:52
vorlonwe provide cloud images for hyper-v15:52
vorlonand if the submitter is doing this for installer testing, any bugs found on hyper-v only are not a priority15:53
gaughen#topic Team proposed-migration report15:57
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gaughen#link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs15:57
gaughenlxml15:58
mwhudsonpandas on ppc64el15:58
mwhudsonthat screams "i want to look at that"15:58
juliankwho names a package pandas?15:58
sil2100mwhudson: that's mine15:58
gaughensil2100, you'll look at lxml/pandas?15:59
sil2100I mean, I have it my look-at-list15:59
vorlonjuliank: scientists15:59
sil2100Yep o/15:59
gaughensil2100, okay it's yours!15:59
mwhudson../../../usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pandas/tests/series/test_analytics.py::TestSeriesAnalytics::test_isin Killed15:59
gaughensil2100, want me to card it?15:59
sil2100gaughen: I made a card16:00
gaughensil2100, will you add it to big packages16:00
gaughenor whatever steve said16:00
sil2100I can confirm and add it if needed16:00
gaughenthank you sil210016:00
gaughen#topic AOB16:00
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bdmurrayI'm out this afternoon and tomorrow16:00
gaughenbdmurray, have fun up there!16:00
gaughenbdmurray, I hear there are 8 kegs of beer being carted up for the event16:01
gaughenanything else?16:01
vorlonnothing here16:01
gaughenoooh!16:01
gaughennew chair16:01
gaughenjuliank!16:01
gaughennext chair is juliank16:02
juliankack16:02
gaughen#endmeeting16:02
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Jun  6 16:02:14 2019 UTC.16:02
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-06-06-15.06.moin.txt16:02
sil2100gaughen: thank you for chairing o/16:06
gaughensil2100, thanks!16:06

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