=== cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [15:00] o/ [15:00] o// [15:01] o/ [15:01] o~ [15:01] * vorlon waves [15:02] \o\|o|/o/ [15:02] * mwhudson appears in a puff of smoke [15:02] you are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike [15:03] * mwhudson picks up a d-i component [15:03] go north [15:03] mwhudson: chair? [15:03] mwhudson realizes the d-i component he picked up is a chair [15:03] cyphermox: please not [15:04] XD [15:06] #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team [15:06] Meeting started Thu Jun 6 15:06:02 2019 UTC. The chair is gaughen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:06] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: [15:06] #topic Lightning rounds === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Lightning rounds [15:06] xnox bdmurray vorlon tdaitx mwhudson infinity juliank rbalint sil2100 waveform doko cyphermox [15:06] xnox, you won! [15:06] or did cyphermox win? [15:07] worked with webops regarding retracers unable to connect to cassandra [15:07] reported bug regarding tar extract xattrs only doing user.* (LP: #1831150) [15:07] Launchpad bug 1831150 in tar (Ubuntu) "only user.* extended attributes restored upon extraction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831150 [15:07] (headlight) xnox enabled lz4 [15:07] also reported it upstream to the GNU bug tracker [15:08] bdmurray, go while xnox is away [15:08] research into history of the addition of xattrs support into tar [15:08] sent an email to the bug-tar mailing list regarding extract and xattrs [15:08] reviewed mlocate thread, sent summary to foundations mailing list [15:08] looked into how Fedora, CentOS install and configure mlocate [15:08] commented on snapcraft forum post re: offline do-release-upgrade and snap transition [15:08] meetings regarding rls- tagged bug backlog and review of bugs [15:08] ✔ done [15:08] vorlon: [15:08] * laying out specs for the cycle roadmap [15:08] * reviewing specs [15:08] * discussions around architectures [15:08] * SRU reviews [15:08] * livecd-rootfs SRUs for minimal images; and another one in the pipe to fix snap seeding on bionic [15:09] (done) [15:09] Out on most of Tuesday because I enjoy waiting in lines for appointments. [15:09] * report on removed debian packages that might be blocking proposed-migration [15:09] - based on code from process-removals (probably should be extracted as a lib later on) [15:09] - looking at other scripts that generate reports (isn't there a way other than mixing python and html?) [15:09] * looking over improving openjdk autopkgtests [15:09] - fetching buildlogs and autopkgtest results to filter out unstable tests from the openjdk testsuite [15:09] Other: [15:09] - keeping track of the openjdk pre-releases [15:09] (done) [15:09] got reusing-partitions into review [15:09] looked at finalrd-related autopkgtest failures [15:09] thinking about unattended server installs [15:09] (fin) [15:09] oh yeah and flew to europe with small children [15:10] bdmurray: do you have a link to the offline do-release-upgrade question? [15:10] vorlon: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/offline-do-release-upgrades-from-xenial-to-bionic-introducing-snap-pkgs/11327/5 [15:10] tdaitx: well the report i added uses jinja2 [15:11] No infinity? [15:12] juliank [15:12] * (was out last week Wed, Thu, and Fri) [15:12] * Uploaded apport/xenial that fixes its linux vs. linux-signed autopkgtest failure [15:12] * SRUed lvm2 fix for path of systemd-run in 69-lvm-metad.rules (LP: #1830169) [15:12] Launchpad bug 1830169 in Ubuntu on IBM z Systems "lvm udev rule fails to call systemd-run" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830169 [15:12] * Analysed other apport/xenial autopkgtest failures re launchpad interaction [15:12] * Investigating autopkgtest failures for my pending SRUs [15:12] (done I think) [15:12] (two weeks with ~one on vacation) [15:13] * proposed patch for qemu LP: #1823872 to let other security updates installed when the installed unattended-upgrades is not fixed, released throught -security* proposed patch for qemu LP: #1823872 to let other security updates installed when the installed unattended-upgrades is not fixed, released throught -security [15:13] Launchpad bug 1823872 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Trusty) "Fixing fsfreeze-hook can break unattended upgrades" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1823872 [15:13] * fixed LP: #1830427 [15:13] Launchpad bug 1830427 in ec2-hibinit-agent (Ubuntu Disco) "Instance may loose network connectivity after resuming the 2nd time" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830427 [15:13] * unattended-upgrades fixes [15:13] * Fixed 16.04 WSL app that installed 18.04 accidentally [15:13] * updated wireshark through Debian to 2.6.9 [15:13] * updated gce-compute-image-packages to 20190522 including preparing SRUs [15:13] * uploaded updated waylandpp to unstable then synced it to eoan [15:13] * partner work [15:13] (done) [15:13] - SRU reviews and releases [15:13] - Ouchy on Friday, had PM off [15:13] - Kernel SRU releases - phasing out the releases this time [15:13] - Short DMB meeting (no quorum) [15:13] - Preparing two solution-propositions for the classic preinstalled image /boot/grub upgrade problem [15:13] * One in livecd-rootfs and one in ubuntu-image - not sure which is the best way [15:13] - Modifying kernel-sru-release to support releasing kernels to -updates and then -security only [15:13] - Poking people for testing the -security updated toolchain packages [15:13] - Copying the toolchain packages to -proposed, making sure they look good [15:13] - NEW reviews: [15:14] * BinNEW review of ubuntustudio-look [15:14] * A NEW review of lsp-plugins, iterating on the package some more, finally approved - still waiting for fixes for all arches [15:14] - Reviewing and releasing of Dave's new u-boot merge [15:14] - Melting, too hot here [15:14] (done) [15:14] * Responded to comments on Pi Amazing spec [15:14] * Validated Pi3 armhf images work on Pi2 under all circumstances (including kernel upgrades, flash-kernel upgrades, switching cards between machines); prepped branch removing all the pi2 hacks and uboot.env stuff from flash-kernel [15:14] * Spent Wednesday feeling horrid :( [15:14] * Digging into Bluetooth on Pi under Ubuntu Core (needs firmware for 3B+, apparmor profiles for raw sockets, and a mechanism to disable UART and kernel serial console to avoid boot cycles) [15:14] * Proposed livecd-rootfs change to seed cloud-init from boot partition on Pi (changes to pi3-gadget are already committed) [15:14] (done) [15:14] doko, [15:14] - OpenJDK fun ... Had a phone call with AdoptJDK and some Debian maintainers about the current versioning rants/issues. Up [15:14] dated OpenJDK 8, LTS and 13 packages. [15:14] - Python 3.8 beta1 [15:14] - GCC clash protection and cet updates, together with amurray [15:14] (done) [15:14] mwhudson: nice! thanks for the pointer [15:14] cyphermox, [15:15] - shim review: Endless, Newstart, Hiddn Security [15:15] - coordinating work for shim update / planning for signing artifact changes for shim 16 (reproducible builds) [15:15] - networkmanager autopkgtests / handoff to desktop team [15:15] - re-started grub2 merge + grub-initrd-fallback.service changes / bootctl support [15:15] - more on 'netplan info' spec / proof of concept [15:15] - walinuxagent update (bug LP: #1827995) [15:15] - consulting on some NAC questions [15:15] Launchpad bug 1827995 in walinuxagent (Ubuntu) "Request to integrate Microsoft's new Azure Linux Agent 2.2.40" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827995 [15:15] (done) [15:15] #topic Release incoming bugs (bionic) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Release incoming bugs (bionic) [15:15] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:15] bug 1831252 [15:15] bug 1831252 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Bionic) "panic=-1 is completely ignored by the initrd causing unexpected behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831252 [15:16] that's an ee bug I guess I jumped the gun [15:16] No foundations bugs in bb-incoming [15:16] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:17] #topic Release incoming bugs (eoan) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Release incoming bugs (eoan) [15:17] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [15:17] bug 1831252 [15:17] bug 1831252 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Bionic) "panic=-1 is completely ignored by the initrd causing unexpected behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831252 [15:17] ogra: Are you planning on working on that bug? [15:18] bdmurray, i discussed it with xnox and thought this is foundations land [15:19] we have fixed it downstream for the specific customer that had issues with it though (by simply setting panic=30) [15:19] so i wasnt actually planning to ... [15:19] I don't understand how the initramfs handling of the panic argument on the kernel commandline in any way impacts the kernel's behavior [15:20] it doesnt [15:20] I expect that to be handled in kernel [15:20] I agree it's foundations' responsibility if there's a bug in initramfs-tools [15:20] I just don't yet understand the stated bug [15:21] I guess we should take it for investigation [15:21] otoh later you'll have a mangled kernel cmdline in userspace; is that an issue? why are we even mucking with panic= in initramfs? [15:21] panic=-1 is a kernel option to force immediate reboot (vs using a positive value for delay) [15:21] cyphermox: the kernel commandline is not writable by init [15:21] vorlon: no, but things in initramfs may want it for some reason [15:22] and it would be in some environment, even if it's not modified in /proc/cmdline [15:22] and in the initrd script there is no handling of negative values so it drops you to a shell instead of rebooting [15:22] right, so if the kernel panics, it itself should see the panic=-1 on the (immutable) commandline [15:22] and reboot [15:22] yup [15:22] and bugger userspace [15:22] except that its not the kernel that panics but an initrd script that fails [15:22] you're saying the initramfs script fails because the option is set? [15:22] then the panic() function kicks in ... fails and drops to a shell [15:23] yes [15:23] ok [15:23] it has no handling for panic=-1 [15:23] so yes, let's dig into that [15:23] vorlon, thoughts on the importance? [15:23] gaughen: medium, really [15:23] if you use secureboot you probably dont want the system to drop you into a shell at any time ... in case an admin has set panic=-1 [15:23] should we shove this discussion in the bug? [15:24] s/shell/root shell/ [15:24] bah [15:24] bah [15:24] bah [15:24] black sheep [15:24] have you any wool? [15:25] xnox! [15:25] welcome [15:25] missed you [15:25] xnox, don't worry rbalint gave your status [15:25] status report no ready: openssl, zecureboot, subiquity, systemd, kernel =) [15:25] bug 1823434 came out of rls-dd review [15:25] bug 1823434 in pkg-config (Ubuntu) "pkg-config ftbfs in disco" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1823434 [15:25] xnox, we've moved on [15:26] I've confirmed the build failure [15:26] in ee [15:27] I'm surprised it's not also reported in Debian, but it looks like we have a newer version than they do [15:28] I think we should handle this one. Will card it [15:29] I think we should (auto-)commit to all ftbfs fixes of our packages in main [15:30] I'm okay with us quickly going through these, just quick. [15:30] next one bdmurray! [15:31] bug 1798369 [15:31] bug 1798369 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Reinstall Ubuntu (with preserving existing data) shows error message due to "Could not get lock /target/var/cache/apt/archives/lock"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798369 [15:31] I tested this the other day and while I didn't get the same error message I did still get an error [15:32] did this one come up in a different context last meeting? [15:32] the bug is familiar [15:32] Yes, does that option still exist was the question so I tested it [15:32] we did bring up other ubiqutiy bugs last meeting [15:32] ok [15:34] vorlon: panic is also used by initramfs, and drops to shell with '-1' setting instead of actually panicing kernel, for it to read panic= and do the instant reboot. [15:34] vorlon: the panic() function of initramfs. [15:34] xnox, you're living in the past! [15:34] we've moved on [15:34] xnox: so there's only impact if something else in the initramfs is broken [15:34] vorlon: yes. [15:35] hence, medium [15:38] That's it for high bugs [15:39] I notice this is in the list https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1825001 [15:39] Launchpad bug 1825001 in apt (Ubuntu) "Allow archives to send a 4xx response to tell apt to try again later" [Wishlist,Triaged] [15:39] triaged as wishlist [15:39] but it's a request from Canonical IS [15:39] bdmurray and cyphermox are going to meet offline and burn through the whole ee list [15:40] because they want to mitigate the impact of apt client requests when the pipe is over capacity [15:41] oh, god I was scrolled up in the buffer [15:42] So the main issue I think is that systemd does not give us an option to do retries on timers [15:42] vorlon: do they want to return that to _all_ clients or _some_ clients? [15:42] juliank: added a comment to clarify: I think what we actually care about is a user agent in the apt requests [15:42] xnox: ^^ that [15:42] vorlon: There's a different bug for interactive user agent [15:42] ah [15:42] then maybe this bug should be wontfix [15:42] vorlon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1825000 [15:42] Launchpad bug 1825000 in apt (Ubuntu) "Add ability for mirrors to distinguish interactive and non-interactive apt runs" [Wishlist,Triaged] [15:42] or fix released [15:43] ok then I think the latter (with the lower bug number) is the actually interesting one [15:43] vorlon: I want to have real retrying if something failed temporarily, but it's blocked on systemd [15:43] Or writing a daemon or something [15:43] juliank: ok, well I think /that/ is truly wishlist [15:44] Yes, that's what I discussed w/ someone on IRC, and hence the reason why I marked it as wishlist [15:44] whereas injecting a different user agent for u-u so that the archive can selectively shed requests when under load is more important [15:44] But that's not entirely clear [15:44] We should inject a user agent when running from timers I guess [15:44] juliank: what do you think about bumping priority of LP: #1825000 and putting it in the queue? [15:44] Launchpad bug 1825000 in apt (Ubuntu) "Add ability for mirrors to distinguish interactive and non-interactive apt runs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825000 [15:44] yeah [15:45] vorlon, juliank you two done? [15:45] Like, also for apt-get update which runs by apt-daily.timer [15:45] nope [15:45] (do the json hooks give us enough now to inject a U-A header?) [15:45] Let's bump it to something useful [15:45] vorlon: No [15:45] ok [15:45] juliank, vorlon shall I card this? [15:45] gaughen: yes please [15:46] Oh, there was one more bug a friend brought up. [15:46] moving on [15:46] oooh [15:46] bug 1831453 ;-) [15:47] bug 1831453 in subiquity (Ubuntu) "[Hyper-V] Install issue for Ubuntu 19.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831453 [15:47] oh me! [15:47] I thought that would come up at the end in other topics [15:47] thank you bdmurray [15:47] What can I say except "you're welcome" [15:48] bdmurray, did you see my eye rolling unicorn gif? [15:49] I figured you'd see it since it involved a unicorn and I know how you feel about unicorns [15:49] ALTHOUGH, we still don't know who is responsible for the unicorn [15:50] * gaughen is singing "let it go" [15:51] I don't understand, what is the reason for this bug being brought in? [15:51] who is running subiquity in hyper-v? [15:51] and why [15:51] the bug submitter [15:52] I don't think it's a priority for us to support subiquity under hyper-v [15:52] we provide cloud images for hyper-v [15:53] and if the submitter is doing this for installer testing, any bugs found on hyper-v only are not a priority [15:57] #topic Team proposed-migration report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Team proposed-migration report [15:57] #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs [15:58] lxml [15:58] pandas on ppc64el [15:58] that screams "i want to look at that" [15:58] who names a package pandas? [15:58] mwhudson: that's mine [15:59] sil2100, you'll look at lxml/pandas? [15:59] I mean, I have it my look-at-list [15:59] juliank: scientists [15:59] Yep o/ [15:59] sil2100, okay it's yours! [15:59] ../../../usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pandas/tests/series/test_analytics.py::TestSeriesAnalytics::test_isin Killed [15:59] sil2100, want me to card it? [16:00] gaughen: I made a card [16:00] sil2100, will you add it to big packages [16:00] or whatever steve said [16:00] I can confirm and add it if needed [16:00] thank you sil2100 [16:00] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: AOB [16:00] I'm out this afternoon and tomorrow [16:00] bdmurray, have fun up there! [16:01] bdmurray, I hear there are 8 kegs of beer being carted up for the event [16:01] anything else? [16:01] nothing here [16:01] oooh! [16:01] new chair [16:01] juliank! [16:02] next chair is juliank [16:02] ack [16:02] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice [16:02] Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 16:02:14 2019 UTC. [16:02] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-06-06-15.06.moin.txt [16:06] gaughen: thank you for chairing o/ [16:06] sil2100, thanks!