[00:05] <DGMurdockIII> I have a problem when I boot up Ubuntu I don't see the grub boot option screen I just see a purple screen before it shows the command line booting info
[00:06] <CarlFK> DGMurdockIII: try holding the shift key down when you boot
[00:07] <CarlFK> DGMurdockIII: also there is some .conf setting somewhere if you want it permanent.   I'm not sure what the right file is
[00:07] <DGMurdockIII> My pc boots fine its just i dont have nice boot menu
[00:08] <CarlFK> how long to you want the boot to pause while you enjoy looking at it? ;)
[00:08] <leftyfb> DGMurdockIII: why do you need a menu?
[00:08] <justthedoctor> is there a way to do a ls in a dir that would count each file and return the number?
[00:09] <sarnold> justthedoctor: ls | wc -l
[00:09] <DGMurdockIII> Leftyfb: I don't but I just like to have thinks working
[00:09] <justthedoctor> thank you
[00:09] <leftyfb> DGMurdockIII: it's working. If things stop working and you need to get into the menu to fix it, then hold down SHIFT while you boot and the menu will come up
[00:10] <TJ->  DGMurdockIII the solution is to set "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" in /etc/default/grub (and do "sudo update-grub")
[00:10] <leftyfb> justthedoctor: that will count directories as well
[00:11] <justthedoctor> is there a way to do just files? (this specific dir im ls'ing for file count doesnt have dirs  but future ref would help)
[00:11] <DGMurdockIII> Yeah but I had install on this machine before and and when I booted I did not get just a purple screen I got the boot option screen that has a countdown time
[00:11] <sarnold> leftyfb: good catch
[00:11] <CarlFK> DGMurdockIII: how long to you want it to wait?
[00:12] <leftyfb> DGMurdockIII: again, why do you need it if things are working fine?
[00:12] <leftyfb> DGMurdockIII: are you asking how to bring it back or are you just complaining about it?
[00:13] <CarlFK> DGMurdockIII: a good answer is "0.0 as fast as it can" which is what became the default years ago
[00:13] <sarnold> justthedoctor: find . -maxdepth 1 -type f  | wc -l
[00:13] <Sveta> leftyfb, he wants to bring it back
[00:13] <CarlFK> I don't think he really wants it back
[00:13] <leftyfb> Sveta: "I don't but I just like to have thinks working
[00:14] <justthedoctor> Thank you sarnold
[00:14] <leftyfb> DGMurdockIII: care to clarify what you would like?
[00:15] <DGMurdockIII> Just a second
[00:15] <TJ-> As I said...
[00:15] <TJ->  DGMurdockIII the solution is to set "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" in /etc/default/grub (and do "sudo update-grub")
[00:16] <CarlFK> TJ-: won't that slow down booting?
[00:17] <CarlFK> or does it display the menu but not wait?
[00:17] <TJ-> CarlFK: it uses text mode, nothing more, instead of trying (and failing) to select a graphics mode
[00:24] <blackandblue> Ubuntu is an ancient African word, meaning “I can't configure Debian”.
[00:24] <brendantcc> how long has that meme been going around? pls move to #ubuntu-offtopicu
[00:24] <brendantcc> *#ubuntu-offtopic
[00:27] <leftyfb> blackandblue: trolling is offtopic here. Please leave
[00:32] <blackandblue> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/255161/comments/28
[00:33] <blackandblue> is this bug still valid in ubuntu?
[00:35] <OerHeks> it *is* thursday in my timezone, but i have no brother printer
[00:36] <Sveta> OerHeks, what do you need one for?
[00:39] <leftyfb> blackandblue: trolling is offtopic here. Please leave
[00:44] <blackandblue> leftyfb: sorry its not trolling. can you please guide me how to fix this bug?
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> blackandblue: You've been warned twice. That bug is marked invalid for a reason and is ancient.
[00:45] <blackandblue> Eickmeyer: sorry didnt know this channel doesn't support ancient bugs.
[00:53] <bear38> jeremy31: alright, found it -- it is "dtrx" -- one command to extract any file type :)
[01:02] <phct> Hello, there is any Minimal Ubuntu ISO offline installer? what are the best options?
[01:05] <OerHeks> phct, no, the minimal needs internet.
[01:05] <phct> what can i use instead? alternate? does it contain same drivers as full installer?
[01:05] <OerHeks> there is no alternate no more, just the mini iso
[01:06] <leftyfb> phct: why can't you use the regular installer?
[01:06] <OerHeks> it required wired networking AFAIK
[01:08] <phct> does any of the other flavours support alternate?
[01:09] <leftyfb> phct: why can't you use the regular installer?
[01:13] <sario528> In gnome3 is there a way to change the window border color?
[01:14] <phct> leftyfb: ? whats the point ? the question is clear
[01:14] <leftyfb> phct: good luck
[01:15] <FaTaL_G> question with ip-tables, when I try to do a iptables-reload, it is telling me it cannot initialize the nat table, error at line 1..... line one is literally *nat
[01:15] <FaTaL_G> sorry, iptables-restore
[01:15] <phct> leftyfb: chitchat not here
[01:16] <leftyfb> sario528: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5859768#post5859768 found by searching for "gnome 3 is there a way to change the window border color?" on google
[01:19] <subcool> So, my external passport drive keeps "disappearing" - if i unplug it, and plug it back in. It will reappear. How do i check its integrity? i already ran the windows test on it, and its came up fine. But i dont believe it.
[01:21] <OerHeks> check smart, in disks util, or perform a check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[01:22] <subcool> smart says ok. Im thinking its overheating, but - i should see some errors.
[01:22] <OerHeks> and that "disappearing" is what you want.
[01:22] <sarnold> my guess is a stupid powersaving thing
[01:22] <leftyfb> subcool: could it be the usb port you're plugged into might not be powering the drive enough?
[01:22] <leftyfb> or that
[01:23] <OerHeks> or wait, a wonky connector?
[01:23] <subcool> its a laptop, ...
[01:23] <leftyfb> exactly
[01:24] <subcool> Maybe, its plugged into an regular USB spot. It appears i only have one USB that is "powered" - but.. idk. I always have issues with HP.
[01:24] <blackandblue> how to shutdown PC in ubuntu
[01:25] <subcool> blackandblue, sudo halt
[01:25] <subcool> lol
[01:25] <Sveta> say bye
[01:25] <blackandblue> thanks
[01:25] <leftyfb> blackandblue: please stop. You've been running Ubuntu (or so you say ) since last September.
[01:25] <blackandblue> leftyfb: last september? when did I say that sir
[01:26] <leftyfb> blackandblue: you're clearly just here to troll. Take it elsewhere.
[01:26] <subcool> nvm, appears to be IO errors
[01:26] <subcool> -- Sigh -- never a break.
[01:26] <blackandblue> leftyfb: no I am asking genuine ubuntu level question
[01:27] <leftyfb> blackandblue: no, you're not. You haven't since you joined here
[01:27] <leftyfb> !op blackandblue
[01:27] <leftyfb> !op | blackandblue
[01:27] <subcool> leftyfb, hate to sympathize, but i';ve been at it for years. and here i still am asking stupid q's.
[01:27] <blackandblue> yea subcool
[01:27] <subcool> lol...
[01:27] <leftyfb> subcool: this isn't their first rodeo
[01:28] <blackandblue> subcool: he thinks he is the best and others are stupid for asking simple ubuntu support questions
[01:28] <kyle__>  umm... seri9ously though, is the question how to shutdown?  Because there are a few ways of doing it.
[01:29] <subcool> then again, i really honestly ask you guys than look things up. I tried to setup a Zenbox - googled it. etc. spent 6 months trying to get it to work. Frustrated, i youtubed the question. Found out i SOMEHOW was ONLY be routed to some CRAPPY headless debian setup, that rendered two of my laptops useless. - Someone watching me got a shit ton of laughs.
[01:30] <Eickmeyer> !ohmy | subcool
[01:30] <subcool> -_-
[01:30] <blackandblue> if I were smart, I wouldnt be using ubuntu in first place. so please be gentle and I am still learning linux. ubuntu is beginners friendly. so support accordingly.
[01:30] <kyle__> Dude, not cool.
[01:31] <subcool> blackandblue, watch the youtube channels.
[01:32] <subcool> and practice off a liveUSB that you dont care what you lose every time you reboot. You are BOUND to lose things playing with this. Dont keep anything meaningful to you on it.
[01:32] <blackandblue> ok subcool
[01:32] <blackandblue> subcool: most of the youtube videos are by indians and I cant understand their english accent.
[01:32] <blackandblue> subcool: is there good way to learn ubuntu
[01:32] <kyle__> Again, not cool man.
[01:32] <Eickmeyer> !ops | blackandblue racist comment
[01:32] <subcool> roflmao
[01:33] <subcool> blackandblue, keep scrolling, there are plenty.
[01:33] <blackandblue> truth is not racism. please get your facts straight Eickmeyer
[01:34] <leftyfb> dax: Thank you
[01:34] <Eickmeyer> dax: Thanks
[01:34] <thingfish> thanks dax
[01:34] <dax> apologies for the delay, was looking up their behavior in logs
[01:34]  * kyle__ hugs Drone
[01:35] <kyle__> You're my favorite entity I've never noticed before.
[01:35] <subcool> hahaha
[01:35] <subcool> hes really been that bad?
[01:35] <Eickmeyer> Ok everyone, let's get back on topic.
[01:36] <leftyfb> subcool: I would check another pc with a different usb port to be sure. Lack of power could also cause your I/O issues
[01:36] <subcool> yes, ubuntu.
[01:36] <subcool> leftyfb, ive seen it before on my SATA devices if i overload them. ANy to be honest.
[01:37] <kyle__> subcool: You had the passport drive issue?  Is it the little one with the weird flattish cable that looks like an HDMI on steroids?
[01:37] <subcool> Especially if i run torrent (clean speak) and they are saving to a SATA drive. Im just really good at overloading HDD's and they arent even running at full speed. :(
[01:37] <subcool> kyle__, u mean an Esata?
[01:38] <kyle__> No, more the first version of slim usb3.  Mostly used on external cases for 2.5" drives.
[01:38] <subcool> OH- you mean the USB-3 original thingy
[01:38]  * kyle__ ndos nods nods
[01:38] <subcool> yeah...
[01:38] <subcool> thatd be him- 4tb.
[01:38] <kyle__> I've had SO many of those cables go bad.  Then they start dropping randomly... but it's not more likely under heavy IO than under light, so if IO load is an issue, that's not it.
[01:39] <subcool> hhmmm...
[01:39] <kyle__> Do you have the y cable, so it can plug into two USB ports at once?
[01:39] <kyle__> (one is just for power, the other is for data, but damned if I can tell the difference without trial and error)
[02:10] <subcool> hhmmm...
[02:10] <subcool> ops.
[02:24] <eelstrebor> i have a dual boot machine where the win10 partition works fine but the ubuntu 18.04 partition is excruciatingly slow - they're running on a 500 GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD - i tried sdd optimizing on the ubuntu partition but have not been able to speed things up
[02:29] <eelstrebor> smart tests don't show any errors
[02:29] <eelstrebor> i guess i can always try a fresh install (what a hassle)
[02:54] <Thr0r> Is "PowerShell Core" commonly used in the Linux community or do you guys use something else to get things done?
[02:59] <Thr0r> I'm wondering if I should spend time learning it or something else maybe?
[03:02] <xamithan> bash
[03:07] <Thr0r> xamithan: - bash. Because it is better and does something more than powershell or is it because you just know bash better?
[03:08] <xamithan> powershell is a windows thing,  even though it is cross compatible
[03:08] <puppetmasterFPU> i use it on occasion, on ubuntu
[03:10] <Thr0r>   xamithan:  Ok - I know but I was looking at this : https://github.com/powershell/powershell. I don't really care if it is a windows thing as long as it get things done..
[03:11] <xamithan> Use what you like,  I couldn't find anything it could do for me that bash/python couldn't
[03:12] <Thr0r> ok -thanks for being so helpful..
[03:13] <puppetmasterFPU> ps really just complements bash. it doesn't 'replace' it
[03:16] <Gendie007> in my experiance, powershell isn't as flexable as bash.
[03:16] <Gendie007> I remember butting my head against it trying to get to do something that bash could do in an instant
[03:16] <Thr0r>  puppetmasterFPU: Yes - ok. I'll look into it. Guess you can't do everything in PS but need Bash aswell
[03:17] <Gendie007> well, powershell works well for basic stuff
[03:17] <Gendie007> it's the more advanced stuff that it struggles with
[03:19] <angell> Need some help. Installed ubuntu about 3 days ago. Desktop icons (trash and home) dont open when I click them. If I launch nautilus from the dock, then they open, but nautilus never launches from double clicking the icons. Already tried reinstalling gnome desktop and nautilus, same problem.
[03:19] <angell> problem started only a couple hours ago
[03:20] <Gendie007> have you tryed double clicking them?
[03:20] <Gendie007> oh, sorry
[03:20] <Gendie007> didn't see what you said
[03:21] <Gendie007> try starting Nautilus from bash
[03:21] <angell> Gendie007, the odd part is that if I launch nautilus from the dock, the icons i double clicked on suddenly open. Right clicking and opening with nautilus also opens them.
[03:21] <angell> Gendie007, opens fine
[03:21] <Gendie007> ok
[03:21] <Gendie007> but it's the double clicking that doesn't work?
[03:21] <angell> correct
[03:22] <angell> neither does right click open, only right click open with
[03:22] <Gendie007> do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in bash
[03:22] <Gendie007> then restart your computer
[03:22] <angell> Gendie007, done that
[03:23] <Gendie007> ok, well that's the limit of what i know
[03:23] <Gendie007> so if you right click the icon's and then click open it works?
[03:24] <angell> Gendie007, no, only if I click open with and select Files (nautilus) from the list
[03:24] <angell> running 18.04 LTS
[03:24] <Gendie007> is the icon on your desktop or your dock?
[03:25] <angell> not sure if this is relevant, but there's also an option for Open In New Tab and Open in New Window.
[03:25] <angell> desktop
[03:25] <angell> dock appears to be fine
[03:27] <Gendie007> click the show applications buttion on your dock, then click on a program that is also on your desktop and see if that works
[03:29] <angell> I don't have any shortcuts / icons to programs on my desktop
[03:29] <Gendie007> wasn't that your problem in the first place, that icons on your desktop weren't responding?
[03:29] <angell> yes
[03:29] <angell> icons of folders
[03:30] <Gendie007> oh, folders
[03:30] <angell> trash / home / others
[03:30] <Gendie007> can you right click them and get a pop up minu?
[03:30] <angell> yes I get the context menu
[03:30] <Gendie007> can you click open on the context menu?
[03:31] <angell> yes, it doesn't work
[03:31] <angell> I also get Open in New Tab and Open in New Window
[03:31] <angell> as options
[03:31] <angell> those don't work either
[03:31] <Gendie007> ok, open nautilus on your dock, then look fo those files
[03:31] <Gendie007> for
[03:32] <Gendie007> go to other locations, and tell me if you see your home file there
[03:33] <Gendie007> sorry, home folder
[03:33] <angell> frome inside nautilus, I cannot see the home or trash folders on my desktop
[03:33] <Gendie007> well, it seems something happened to them
[03:34] <angell> When I create a new folder on my desktop, the same thing also happens with them. Can't open
[03:34] <Gendie007> in other locations, there should be something called computer
[03:34] <angell> yes
[03:34] <Gendie007> click that and tell me if you see your home folder
[03:34] <angell> I do
[03:35] <Gendie007> click that, then click the folder after it
[03:35] <angell> It would seem that I can only launch nautilus from the dock and bash
[03:36] <angell> Gendie007, done, everything is fine
[03:36] <Gendie007> you fixed it?
[03:36] <angell> no
[03:36] <angell> I'm saying that everything appears fine
[03:36] <angell> when opening that folder
[03:36] <Gendie007> ok then
[03:36] <Gendie007> oh, click desktop
[03:36] <angell> appears empty
[03:37] <Gendie007> well there's your problem
[03:37] <angell> currently I only have Home and Trash on my desktop
[03:37] <angell> I deleted all other links
[03:37] <angell> If I create one
[03:37] <angell> it does appear
[03:37] <Gendie007> but do you have home and trash in your desktop folder?
[03:37] <angell> no, they don't appear. Only other things that I create
[03:38] <angell> but those folders also don't open when double clicked
[03:38] <Gendie007> hmm
[03:38] <angell> the problem is probably something corrupted the way nautilus is launched
[03:38] <Gendie007> can you access trash from nautilus?
[03:38] <angell> yes
[03:39] <Gendie007> ok, well. sorry, i don't know what the problem is
[03:39] <angell> That makes two of us
[03:39] <netkam2> heh where is trash on the filesystem
[03:40] <angell> hmm... is it normal for the default application for calendar is text editor?
[03:40] <Gendie007> the last thing i can think of is the icons on your desktop arn't actually shortcuts anymore
[03:41] <Gendie007> er, no?
[03:41] <angell> here's my brilliant theory. Something has corrupted default applications.
[03:41] <Gendie007> maybe you should back up your files and reinstall ubuntu
[03:41] <angell> I'd rather not
[03:42] <Gendie007> well, back up your files anyway, and make sure you reinstall ubuntu if you need to
[03:44] <Gendie007> make sure you CAN reinstall ubuntu
[03:44] <angell> all my work is on offsite repos, I just don't want to through the hassle of doing this all over again.
[03:45] <Gendie007> you may need to, sooner or later
[03:45] <Gendie007> if your system gets corrupted
[03:45] <angell> I just installed 3 days ago
[03:45] <angell> I haven't even installed much of anything other than gnome extensions, node, git and firebasetools and some ides
[03:47] <Gendie007> well, all i can tell you is save your data and have a spare install disk or usp ready if something worse happens
[03:48] <netkam2> boot live usb
[03:53] <angell> can anyone send me the output of ~/.config/mimeapps.list
[03:53] <angell> to verify against my own
[03:53] <angell> mostly the part regarding nautilus would be good
[03:53] <angell> inode/directory
[03:57] <Gendie007> this is what i got: bash: /home/aggendie/.config/mimeapps.list: Permission denied
[03:57] <Gendie007> angell
[03:57] <angell> run with sudo
[03:59] <Gendie007> sudo: /home/aggendie/.config/mimeapps.list: command not found
[03:59] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> greetings, ubuntu. guidance sought. issue: "Gnome-flashback “Applications” menu disappeared"
[03:59] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> i've already tried mv ~[.gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gonfd .metacity] to *.bak, and sudo apt remove gnome-session-flashback and sudo apt install gnome-session-flashback
[04:00] <angell> Gendie007, sudo nano
[04:00] <Gendie007> what that on purpose?
[04:00] <Gendie007> how do i get out?
[04:01] <Gendie007> i had to close the terminal
[04:01] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> wanting to reset gnome2 application menu to defaults. screenshot available, if that helps
[04:01] <angell> Gendie007, I just fixed it. I ran a command to reset my desktop to default.
[04:01] <angell> now to set up all the GD extensions again.
[04:02] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, test with a newly created OS user
[04:04] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, assuming the issue does not persist on new OS user account... what next? I'll have to logoff here to test
[04:04] <angell> Gendie007, now its broken again. Wtf
[04:05] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, just re-login back, someone will help you out here
[04:05] <Gendie007> must be something witht he GD extensions
[04:05] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, thanks
[04:06] <Sveta> ok
[04:07] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, you can also switch user
[04:07] <Sveta> no need to log out
[04:22] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, not sure if my current login is gnome or unity. anyways: new user added via computer/settings/details/users: adduser. trying to figure out how to switch without logging out
[04:23] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, 'dm-tool switch-to-greeter' in terminal, maybe
[04:25] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, figured out how to switch. Application menu on new user looks fine on gnome-flashback (compiz)
[04:26] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, on this user are you using gnome-flashback (compiz) also?
[04:27] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, yes. on login screen i have gnome flashback compiz, gnome flashback metacity, gnome, unity, ubuntu. i normally use one of the gnome flashbacks
[04:27] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> i'm currently logged in on the 'Ubuntu' desktop environment
[04:31] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, i guess you will need to find what else to rename, pastebinning 'ls -latr ~' could be a bit helpful (it'll list your $HOME contents sorted by date)
[04:40] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, alternatively, review ls -algort for the new test user too... see what's different. ugh. was hoping to avoid doing a diff. would rather just run a script that reverts the application menu to defaults, lol
[04:40] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, thanks, tho, appreciate the help :)
[04:42] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, if you want to be really annoying, you can copy a half of your normal user directories over to the new user and check for the issue
[04:43] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, this is called 'method of half division', it helps to narrow it down a lot faster
[04:43] <Sveta> x64_Bionic_YMMV, but you will need to learn to copy (as root potentially) and assign file permissions (also potentially as root0
[04:43] <Sveta> )
[04:43] <Sveta> I would recommend this. But I have a meeting now, I will not be able to help with this immediately.
[04:45] <x64_Bionic_YMMV> Sveta, acknowledged. ttyl
[04:45] <Sveta> Ok, thanks
[05:07] <greenstatic> anyone knows why http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ contains the directory ubuntu which points to the same dir thereby causing an infinite loop?
[05:32] <ravustaj1> could someone help me with setting up an USB Wlan stick please?
[05:32] <cfhowlett> should be plug n play ravustaj1
[05:32] <cfhowlett> what's the issue?
[05:33] <ravustaj1> I'm using a SoC, OS is Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS. It's a headless machine and was using network-manager. which I'd rather not use
[05:34] <ravustaj1> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-wqEYzRGm4venvWlTBan60RHw3LRNgDq?usp=sharing
[05:34] <ravustaj1> here's some output from several commands
[05:34] <cfhowlett> are you using SoC linux?
[05:35] <ravustaj1> I meant single board computer or what ever its called. Odroid XU4Q
[05:36] <cfhowlett> ah.  got it.
[05:36] <cfhowlett> no expert here, but network manager is the default.  why not use that??
[05:37] <ravustaj1> I also use Raspberry pi and the wlan0 Link X (wlan0) says       Current Scopes: LLMNR/IPv4 LLMNR/IPv6
[05:37] <ravustaj1> while odroid says Current Scopes: none
[05:37] <ravustaj1> I'm talking about "systemd-resolve --status" output
[05:39] <ravustaj1> it is quite terrible imo espesiaclly when used from command line
[05:39] <ravustaj1> that was the answer regarding network-manager
[05:39] <ravustaj1> I'd rather user /etc/network/interfaces , dhcpcd and wpa_supplicant
[05:40] <cfhowlett> OK.
[05:40] <cfhowlett> what exact USB wlan stick is failing?
[05:40] <ravustaj1> it headless machine
[05:41] <ravustaj1> it worked with network-manager, so I doubt the problem is in the USB donge/stick
[05:41] <cfhowlett> ah.  OK then
[05:46] <Croran> I'm trying to use checkinstall to create a package for the Rust application neovim-gtk.
[05:47] <Croran> First I was getting an error about cargo not found. So i hardcoded the path of cargo into the Makefile.
[05:48] <Croran> Now I'm getting an error that the nvim-gtk package failed to compile, which is weird because 'make' ran fine and tests completed successfully.
[05:48] <Croran> I thought checkconfig wasn't compiling anything.
[05:49] <Croran> checkinstall rather.
[05:50] <Croran> If anyone has experience with checkinstall, I'd appreciate your advice.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Croran: we dont really support own compiling here, use the official packages with apt, or try snaps
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> greenstatic: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-mirrors
[05:56] <greenstatic> lotuspsychje: thanks for the heads up!
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> np
[05:58] <Croran> What is the best way to report problems with snaps? Of the 3 I've installed, only MS Skype works. Irfanview does not work and nvim-gtk does not work.
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Croran: when you: snap info snap-name, you can see a 'contact' where to place the bugs/contact maintainer
[05:59] <thingfish> Croran: when you say "does not work" what do you mean exactly?  Does the app start?
[05:59] <Croran> I'm not interested in emailing someone privately. Is there a public issues page?
[05:59] <Croran> nvim-gtk does not start. segmentation faul.t
[05:59] <thingfish> sh
[05:59] <thingfish> ah
[05:59] <Croran> fault*
[06:00] <Croran> irfanview... as I recall it gives errors when trying to open any file from the file->open menu.
[06:00] <Croran> it's been a few weeks since i tried it.
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> Croran: every snap has its own maintainer, there's no general place to put bugs
[06:02] <Croran> details on the segmentation fault here. I'm on 18.04.2.
[06:02] <Croran> https://pastebin.com/LMXfr1uk
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> Croran: we dont support the issues of snaps, just explained where to contact
[06:03] <Croran> lotuspsychje:thingfish asked for details.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> Croran: maybe you can try install neovim from apt?
[06:04] <Croran> lotuspsychje:there is no neovim-gtk package for Ubuntu
[06:04] <geirha> snap info nvim-gtk    shows: "contact:   https://github.com/daa84/neovim-gtk/issues"
[06:36] <ravustaj1> well, I switcher back to network-manager and at least it's working now. How ever I find it quite unpractical and a lot typing for a changing a simple setting
[07:33] <CoolerY> hey
[07:33] <CoolerY> my sony wi c300 wireless earphones are not showing up in bluetooth settings
[07:34] <CoolerY> it shows up in my phone's bluetooth settings
[07:34] <flughafen> does unbuntu have an /etc/default/grub file?
[07:45] <ayekat> flughafen: if grub is used, yes - why?
[07:45] <ayekat> s/used/installed/
[07:46] <flughafen> ayekat: just curious.  ayekat do you mine posting yours?
[07:46] <flughafen> why wouldn't grub be installed though?
[07:47] <ayekat> flughafen: there are other bootloaders than grub
[07:47] <ayekat> flughafen: http://ix.io/1L3k <- this is from a 16.04 machine, I don't think I've modified it
[07:48] <flughafen> thank ayekat
[07:51] <ayekat> if there was an obvious link from the ubuntu website to the package sources, I'd have linked you to that, but... alas
[07:52] <flughafen> yeah, no worries.
[07:58] <alazy> what's the trick to add via CLI a wired network printer sudo lpadmin -p ML2010ND using dnssd? I tried sudo lpadmin -p ML2851ND -v dnssd://Samsung%20ML-2850%20Series%20\(Laser\)._printer._tcp.local/ipp/print -m everywhere
[08:01] <__raven__> (x)ubuntu 19.04 is causing some issues on an "acer e5 573" probably due to missing firmware. missing volume fn key function, sudden freezes, black screen/crashed light locker, too small range of backlight adjustment and such. any assistance welcome :)
[09:15] <realies> can you resize the live usb partition and install to it?
[09:15] <realies> Disks says it's busy :/
[09:16] <guiverc> realies, whilst it's in use, yes it's busy. it'd be better not to (even if possible)
[09:16] <realies> lemme try find a spare disk then
[09:17] <realies> anyway to scale the UI to 150%?
[09:17] <realies> *any way
[09:18] <guiverc> realies, i don't know, but others may need to know what release (gnome, unity desktop etc) you are referring to
[09:18] <realies> http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.2/ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso?_ga=2.263569100.1196052358.1559812717-230512305.1559812717
[09:20] <realies> I can try 19.04 too
[09:20] <realies> seems like the better pick https://community.ubuntu.com/t/x11-hidpi-scaling-available-for-testing-on-disco/10293
[09:23] <guiverc> realies, i have no experience with scaling, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/18.04 has some notes about it (and an issue that can be worked around re: install)
[09:24] <guiverc> realies, 19.04 has fractional scaling (in 25% increments) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes
[09:25] <realies> yay
[09:40] <Walex> __raven__: those look like hardware problems
[09:41] <Walex> __raven__: except for backlight adjustement
[11:52] <JonelethIrenicus> anyway to do negative scaling?
[12:34] <rebab> Is it possible to change Ubuntu GUI Desktop to TTY1 by default?
[12:35] <rebab> *without uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[12:37] <OerHeks> i think no, tty is not reserved for a DM
[12:37] <OerHeks> c/tty1
[12:37] <EriC^> rebab: i think the vt.handoff=7 in the grub kernel line is related to that, not sure, look into it
[12:40] <rebab> EriC^^: Where do I find this?
[12:43] <rebab> I found it /etc/grub.d/10_linux It is vt_handoff="1"
[12:50] <EriC^^> rebab: why do you want it on tty1 instead of tty7?
[12:50] <Optimus_Prime> hey where can I get a copy of ubuntu in 1080p?
[12:50] <EriC^^> btw that parameter only shows stuff on the screen quickly so the boot process looks smoother, i dont think it actually switches it
[12:51] <EriC^^> Optimus_Prime: that doesnt make sense
[12:51] <EriC^^> Optimus_Prime: you mean you have a 1080p screen and you want to install ubuntu and run that resolution?
[12:52] <Optimus_Prime> i jst wanna install it on a 1080p operating system
[12:52] <EriC^^> um, ok
[12:53] <Optimus_Prime> dw I'll jst buy a max stand for 999 dollars and install it thru the stands boot config
[12:53] <Optimus_Prime> mac*
[12:53] <TJ-> Optimus_Prime: please stop; this is a support channel. /join #ubuntu-offtopic for that kind of comment
[12:54] <EriC^^> Optimus_Prime: are you asking which laptops are 1080p and have ubuntu installed by default?
[12:54] <TJ-> EriC^^: it's a snide swipe at Apple Inc's US$$999 monitor stand shown at their WWDC recently, and the fuss over Apple using DMCA to take-down videos of the audience booing it :)
[12:56] <EriC^^> heh, he could have made the joke somewhat coherent, 1080p operating systems and ubuntu iso, i thought he had some disability or drunk/high
[12:57] <rebab> EriC^^: My brother turns on my pc. I want him confused seeing TTY1.
[12:57] <SwedeMike> TJ-: https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhdX4ZZ3cn6KSPO52B I wouldn't call that a boo. I would call that a complete lack of enthusiasm and confusion.
[12:57] <EriC^^> rebab: so basically you want that the pc boots to tty1, but not the gui on it right?
[12:58] <EriC^^> i kind of thought at first you wanted the gui to show up at tty1 instead of tty7
[12:58] <EriC^^> rebab: anyways, add 'systemd.unit=multi-user.target' in the grub line and that should boot to a console, from there you can systemctl start lightdm/gdm/etc to start the display manager
[12:59] <leftyfb> rebab: sudo systemctl disable gdm
[12:59] <rebab> EriC^^: Yes, not GUI. I want to boot TTY1 I'll change it manually.
[12:59] <Optimus_Prime> in that video "quick keep talking no1 will notice"
[12:59] <Optimus_Prime> crowds like "lol we has to keep listening cos its apple REEEEE"
[13:00] <EriC^^> rebab: add 'systemd.unit=multi-user.target" after "quiet splash" in /etc/default/grub then update-grub
[13:00] <leftyfb> Optimus_Prime: trolling is offtopic here. Please leave.
[13:00] <cfhowlett> Optimus_Prime added to ignore
[13:00] <leftyfb> EriC^^: that is overkill. Just disable gdm at started
[13:01] <EriC^^> leftyfb: it's the recommended way online, why overkill? i think that would actually encompass any future dm's he'd install rather than just targeting the current
[13:02] <TJ-> rebab: changing vt_handoff= won't affect much if the Display Manager starts it'll switch to its VT anyhow, you need to do what EriC^^ recommended
[13:02] <EriC^^> is there an actual reason, as in other ubuntu services wont start if he uses that as the target?
[13:02] <leftyfb> EriC^^: it's overkill for a silly prank on his brother that he's just going to revert
[13:03] <Optimus_Prime> my notepad got pegged with "null density zero algorythem" Funny thing is that makes no sense, and never have I read such a thing in my life. Just got me questinging the validity of what everybody is saying right now
[13:03] <leftyfb> !op | Optimus_Prime
[13:03] <rebab> actually manual boot also works
[13:03] <Optimus_Prime> am not op
[13:03] <cfhowlett> !ops | Optimus_Prime excessive trolling
[13:03] <EriC^^> leftyfb: yeah, that's kinda subjective, i thought he was leaving it like that so his brother doesnt mess with his stuff
[13:04] <EriC^^> rebab: is this a one-time prank or something long term?
[13:04] <rebab> EriC^^: Long term, it's my pc.
[13:05] <EriC^^> ok, then use /etc/default/grub as suggested
[13:05] <rebab> Okay.
[13:05] <Pici> leftyfb, cfhowlett: ping me if he comes back
[13:05] <cfhowlett> Pici= I'll have to de-ignore him but ... IK
[13:06] <Pici> well, someone ping me/ops ;)
[13:33] <aconite33> I'm trying to get openldap to work as a client auth. I'm able to do ldapsearch and get results, but trying to authenticate via ldap I keep getting errors. I see no traffic generated over 389/636 when I authenticate on the system, but ldapsearch does generate traffic
[13:33] <aconite33> I've followed this guide: https://www.tecmint.com/configure-ldap-client-to-connect-external-authentication/
[13:34] <aconite33> but I'm still having issues. Anyone able to get openldap working as a client auth?
[13:36] <TJ-> aconite33: is that using pam_ldap?
[13:36] <aconite33> I believe so
[13:37] <aconite33> I think I just stumbled onto something
[13:37] <aconite33> I added host <ip_ldapserver> in /etc/ldap.conf
[13:37] <aconite33> and now I'm seeing traffic being generated
[13:37] <aconite33> but now I have to debug the error, something invalid with my DN syntax
[13:38] <TJ-> aconite33: I'd point you towards pam_ldap and libnss-ldap
[13:38] <TJ-> aconite33: I'd assume you're wanting the local system to use the LDAP server for user accounts etc.
[13:38] <aconite33> Correct TJ-
[13:39] <aconite33> Want local users to be able to login
[13:39] <aconite33> "apt install libnss-ldap libpam-ldap ldap-utils nscd"
[13:39] <aconite33> are the packages I installed on the client
[13:39] <TJ-> aconite33: OK, so you're struggling - like most of us - to figure out the config voodoo!
[13:40] <aconite33> Most likely
[13:40] <aconite33> I just did add host in my config
[13:40] <TJ-> glad you're not asking about kerberos!
[13:40] <aconite33> and now I'm getting a different error and traffic
[13:40] <aconite33> :D
[13:40] <aconite33> Kerberos is a mystery.
[13:40] <TJ-> wrapped in an Enigma ... machine!
[13:41] <aconite33> I think I have to wait inbetwen authentication attempts
[13:41] <aconite33> or else it won't try to auth remotely
[13:47] <aconite33> Getting "No passwd entry for user 'user1'"
[13:48] <aconite33> Do I need to define what object my password is?
[13:48] <aconite33> Is that not a standard objectclass for OpenLDAP?
[13:58] <aconite33> well, debug on openldap is shining more light. definitely looking for the wrong filter for users.
[14:05] <Xat`> hello guys, I'm using Tomcat 8 on Ubuntu 16.04 . When I change values of Xms/Xmx from /etc/default/tomcat8 , then restart tomcat service, new values are not take into account
[14:05] <Xat`> any idea ?
[14:12] <TJ-> Xat`: is that file being read? How is the tomcat server managed? by sysv init script or systemd unit?
[14:12] <xamithan> Isn't that stuff you normally put in the catalina.sh file
[14:12] <Xat`> TJ-: systemd use it through /etc/init.d/tomcat8
[14:12] <TJ-> Xat`: I've seen a few packages recently that have switched to systemd and the service file doesn't read the /etc/default/XXX that that the sysvinit /etc/init.d/XXX reads
[14:12] <pragmaticenigma> During "apt upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade", when updates are applied to PHP or Apache, is the Apache service automatically restarted?
[14:13] <TJ-> Xat`: maybe "systemctl cat tomcat8" will shed some light on the arguments being read/used?
[14:13] <Xat`> TJ-: yep, it runs /etc/init.d/tomcat8 when starting
[14:13] <Xat`> in /etc/init.d/tomcat8 script , I can see the . /etc/default/tomcat8
[14:14] <Xat`> JAVA_OPTS in well set in /etc/default/tomcat8
[14:14] <Xat`> I note that just echoing something before loading this file /etc/default/tomcat8 from /etc/init.d/tomcat8 , it does not echo anything
[14:15] <Xat`> so, it could not load /etc/default/tomcat8 well
[14:16] <TJ-> Xat`: I don't have 16.04 with tomcat8 installed to hand; can you "pastebinit /etc/init.d/tomcat8" for me?
[14:17] <ntemis> sup
[14:17] <Xat`> ofc
[14:17] <ntemis> system program problem detected blah blah
[14:17] <ntemis> eevry time i boot my pc
[14:18] <ntemis> *every
[14:19] <TJ-> ntemis: sounds like a bug in blah blah from your description
[14:19] <ntemis> how to upload log
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | ntemis
[14:21] <ntemis> @TJ- https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V43YrDsytd/
[14:21] <TJ-> thanks
[14:21] <Xat`> TJ-: here is the init script : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xJnKr54s6W/
[14:22] <TJ-> Xat`: from the top, lets check basics. Is the file you're editing /etc/default/tomcat8 ?
[14:23] <Xat`> yep
[14:24] <TJ-> Xat`: and you're editing the JAVA_OPTS= variable?
[14:24] <Xat`> yep
[14:24] <Xat`> JAVA_OPTS="-Djava.awt.headless=true -Xmx3096m -Xms3096m -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC"
[14:24] <TJ-> Xat`: can you pastebin that file too just so I can do a quick test of the script itself
[14:24] <Xat`> yes
[14:26] <grkblood13> is there a way to verify a users password while root?
[14:26] <Xat`> TJ-: here is the /etc/default/tomcat8 file https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GGSTx8nWYG/
[14:27] <xamithan> You could switch to that user and enter the password
[14:27] <grkblood13> su doesnt prompt for a password as root
[14:27] <xamithan> so switch to another user,  then switch to the user you want to check
[14:27] <xamithan> or even ssh user@localhost
[14:28] <grkblood13> ah
[14:28] <grkblood13> good call
[14:28] <ntemis> @TJ- https://imgur.com/a/CIuCHgX
[14:29] <akem-hp> TJ-, i'm on Windows on the laptop with memleak on Ubuntu, i found nothing with AER in the logs, there are few errors but they seems unrelated.
[14:29] <ntemis> I WANT TO GO AWAY IS A pita
[14:29] <akem-hp> TJ-, Hello btw ;)
[14:38] <Xat`> TJ-: I note there are a setenv.sh script in /usr/share/tomcat8/bin . It overrides JAVA_OPTS !
[14:38] <TJ-> Xat`: hmmm, having all sorts of fun running that init script via /bin/sh (dash). Wondering if it is really a bash script too
[14:39] <TJ-> Xat`: is that being executed?
[14:39] <Xat`> on another ubuntu 16.04 with tomcat8 server, this setenv.sh script does not exist, and redefining Xms in /etc/default/tomcat8 works very well
[14:40] <TJ-> Xat`: did you by chance edit those files you pastebinned with aWindows system?
[14:40] <Guest47619> Hi all just wondering if my old laptop can run ubuntu 19
[14:41] <Xat`> TJ-: I already tried cat -evt file
[14:41] <TJ-> Xat`: I ask because I've spotted why they won't execute here - downloaded from the pastebin they have CR,LF line endings, not just LF.... that may be just the download operation messing with them though
[14:41] <akem-hp> Guest47619, just try the live USB.
[14:42] <akem-hp> You'll see how it runs and how the hardware is supported.
[14:42] <Guest47619> akem-hp,  I am wanting ubuntu studio actually and there is no live os version unless that has changed
[14:43] <Guest47619> what the
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> Guest47619: There's a live ISO of Ubuntu Studio. Has been since 12.04 (April 2012)
[14:43] <TJ-> Xat`: dos2unix fixed that problem for me :)
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> https://ubuntustudio.org/download
[14:44] <Xat`> TJ-: I also solved the problem by removing the script in /usr/share/tomcat8/bin/setenv.sh
[14:45] <Xat`>  setenv.sh contains override of JAVA_OPTS :x
[14:45] <leftyfb> Guest47619: there's also no such thing as "ubuntu 19"
[14:45] <TJ-> Xat`: what is calling that though? that seems contrary to the entire service start scripts
[14:46] <HiDeHo> leftyfb, there is 19.04 or 19.10
[14:47] <xamithan> the catalina.sh calls setenv.sh
[14:47] <Xat`> TJ-: it is load from catalina.sh script, which is call in catalina_sh() from /etc/init.d/tomcat8
[14:47] <leftyfb> HiDeHo: correct. Not "ubuntu 19". It makes a difference which one you refer to.
[14:47] <HiDeHo> what is the last ubuntu lts version
[14:47] <TJ-> Xat`: hmm, I'd have to install tomcat8 to work out why,that sounds like a pretty obvious bug though
[14:47] <HiDeHo> i dont think ubuntu 19.10 is official yet is it
[14:47] <lucidguy> Ok, Server with 192GB of ram.  I assume that's GIGA, and not GIBI.  Convert that to Gibibytes and you get 178GiB.  If you do a free -g on the box you get 187?  I'm pretty sure df is in GiB, so why is there about 10GiB discrepancy?
[14:48] <HiDeHo> thats all good aye
[14:49] <HiDeHo> hey all what is the latest lts of ubuntu
[14:49] <Eickmeyer> !19.04 | HiDeHo
[14:49] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Sorry, wrong one
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> !18.04 | HiDeHo
[14:50] <lucidguy> Its funny how nobody has the answer to this.
[14:50] <HiDeHo> Eickmeyer, 19.04 is not an lts version is ti
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: That's why I corrected myself. :P
[14:50] <HiDeHo> thanks all
[14:50] <HiDeHo> yea
[14:50] <HiDeHo> thanks man
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> !patience | lucidguy
[14:51] <HiDeHo> i have ubuntu studio 16.04 on thsi old laptop atm
[14:51] <Xat`> TJ-: anyway, thank a lot for your time
[14:51] <HiDeHo> so i will assume that ubuntu studio 18.04 will work
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Awesome (I'm the Ubuntu Studio lead), but it's unsupported. You'll need 18.04 with the backports PPA for LTS support.
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports | HiDeHo
[14:52] <HiDeHo> i know
[14:52] <HiDeHo> thanks Eickmeyer
[14:53] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Just making sure, and you're welcome.
[14:53] <lordcirth> lucidguy,
[14:53] <lordcirth> lucidguy, * 'man free' says that -g is gibibytes
[14:53] <lucidguy> That's correct
[14:53] <lucidguy> I knew that
[14:53] <HiDeHo> CPU~Single core Intel 585 (-UP-) speed~2161 MHz (max) Kernel~4.4.0-22-lowlatency x86_64 Up~16 min Mem~616.4/2937.8MB HDD~160.0GB(13.5% used) Procs~201 Client~Shell inxi~2.2.35
[14:54] <HiDeHo> i assume this is a 64 bit computer
[14:54] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Looks like it, considering the kernel running shows x86_64.
[14:54] <HiDeHo> ok cool most are these days anywa.
[14:54] <TJ-> Xat`: the reason you have that setenv.ch file is you've installed tomcat8-user too
[14:55] <HiDeHo> ok i am going to download ubuntu studio 18.04 thanks
[14:55] <TJ-> Xat`: I suspect you don't really need/want that package
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: You're welcome.
[14:55] <HiDeHo> the #ubuntustudio is usually not active it has 34 ppl only there
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: I'm there, so are other Studio developers. Either here or there can give support, but if it's Studio-specific you'll want #ubuntustudio.
[14:56] <HiDeHo> yes as i assume
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: First line of support is always askubuntu.com regardless.
[14:56] <HiDeHo> Eickmeyer, do you use US
[14:57] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: I'm the project leader, so I'd hope so! lol
[15:14] <hans__> anyone know the default mysql unix socket location for mysql-server on Ubuntu 16.04?
[15:37] <xibalba> is there a way to configure postgrey to keep an email that has passed through in it's database/whitelist for a longer period of time, say 30 days
[15:37] <xibalba> can't find it in the docs
[15:38] <revolutionary> hi all. embedded micro SD card reader is not working. is there anyone to help me about this issue? Thanks.
[15:38] <revolutionary> Ubuntu 18.05 LTS
[15:38] <revolutionary> 04*
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> xibalba: You may want to try in #ubuntu-server with your question (this channel is more focused on the Ubuntu Desktop instances) or you may need to reach out to the postgrey community directly
[15:48] <xibalba> k ty
[15:49] <revolutionary> hi all. my sd CArd is not working on ubuntu 18.04, is there anyone to help?
[15:50] <TJ-> xibalba: you mean set the --max-age=  ?
[15:50] <TJ-> xibalba: the default is supposeed to be 35 days
[15:52] <TJ-> xibalba: usually it is set in /etc/default/postgrey in POSTGREY_OPTS
[15:52] <xibalba> thank you i'll check it out
[16:01] <xibalba> ah yes it is still set to the default. i see the issue. the triplet wasn't an exact match. email coming from outlook.com, 1st attempt out of IP #1, 2nd attempt out of IP #2
[16:14] <no_such_user> Heya, updated to 18.04 LTS a few weeks ago and had nothing but problems compared to 16.04. Has anyone else had issues? Trying to decide whether to downgrade or try 19.04?
[16:14] <hans__> revolutionary, try echo "print all" | sudo parted | pastebinit
[16:15] <hans__> no_such_user, what kind of problems?
[16:17] <no_such_user> hans__: 1) HiDPI support broken via no fractional scaling, 2) multi / external monitor support broken and often gets confused and breaks, 3) GUI often freezes unrecoverably or crashes when system under high load conditions
[16:18] <no_such_user> 4) pulseaudio regularly dies
[16:18] <no_such_user> Those are the main ones off the top of my head...
[16:19] <no_such_user> Seems like a huge step backwards from 16.04 and should really be an LTS... :-(
[16:19] <TJ-> no_such_user: those do not sound common
[16:19] <TJ-> no_such_user: sounds like a local issue on the freezes and PA
[16:20] <hans__> no_such_user, yikes, maybe try rolling 16.04 until 20.04
[16:20] <TJ-> no_such_user: have you done any systematic testing with a brand new, empty, user profile to elimiate the possibilty of user-config causing it?
[16:20] <no_such_user> TJ: I'd been using the machine for a couple of years under 16.04 with it being rock solid so I don't think its the hardware.
[16:20] <hans__> .. and compile coreutils from master if that bothers you (that they're too old)
[16:21] <TJ-> no_such_user: biggest thing I can think of that may have changed, depending on which GPU maker/driver is used, is Gnome Wayland compositor instead of Xorg
[16:21] <TJ-> no_such_user: I didn't suggest its hardware
[16:21] <no_such_user> TJ: I havent tried, but I upgraded by adding in a new system drive and installing clean (everything I care about is on a data disk and /opt not home dirs etc)
[16:21] <hans__> TJ-, that was changed in 17.10?
[16:22] <no_such_user> I know you didnt, just saying that was a known good thing :-)
[16:22] <TJ-> hans__: but the update was 16.04 > 18.04 so this would be the first time no_such_user  would experience Wayland, if at all
[16:23] <TJ-> no_such_user: the fact you report multi-monitor issues makes me think wayland as well. Can you check which session is being used? echo "$XDG_SESSION_TYPE"
[16:23] <no_such_user> TJ: Wayland? My install defaulted to X - I thought the only real change was swapping Unity -> Gnome and lightdm to gdm (which doesnt understand the external monitor either!)
[16:23] <no_such_user> pev@zed:~$  echo "$XDG_SESSION_TYPE"
[16:23] <no_such_user> x11
[16:24] <TJ-> no_such_user: GDM will use its wayland compositor, depending on which GPU type is installed, I think (nvidia always uses Xorg)
[16:24] <TJ-> no_such_user: now I have to confirm the XDG_SESSION_TYPE is the correct and only variable to check !
[16:25] <no_such_user> TJ: Ah, that makes sense - this is a laptop with a nvidia Quadro M3000M
[16:25] <TJ-> no_such_user: how about: "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION"
[16:25] <no_such_user> pev@zed:~$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[16:25] <no_such_user> ubuntu
[16:26] <hans__> no_such_user, btw are you using the nvidia closed-source driver, or the open-source driver?
[16:26] <TJ-> no_such_user: hmmph! that doesn't help me. I was reading suggestions it wouls say "gnome" or "gnome-wayland" - I wonder if you've still got Unity in use
[16:27] <no_such_user> TJ: It was a clean install of 18.04.01 IIRC so shouldnt be anything leftover from unity?
[16:27] <TJ-> no_such_user: I've a lot of experience with multi-GPU and multi-monitor configs, especially nvidia, so if you could give a specific example or three of how that has broken for you maybe we can narrow the cause down
[16:27] <TJ-> no_such_user: you didn't copy over the original $HOME directory ?
[16:27] <hans__> Nvidia GT710 was nearly useless on the open-source driver, but works great with the closed-source driver from nvidia (the open source driver was laggy and couldn't even render youtube videos, the closed-source one worked fine)
[16:27] <no_such_user> TJ: Nope, left it clean to try and avoid such problems!
[16:28] <TJ-> no_such_user: well, that's a help since it infers we might be able to discount inherited legacy config options breaking things in unusual ways
[16:29] <TJ-> no_such_user: I have a couple of setups, one wth 3xGPU and 6x monitor, and another with 2xGPU and 4x monitor, and never had issues, so I'm interested to know what you are experiencing
[16:29] <no_such_user> So full breakdown : ZBook G3 17 with M3000M and 1080 panel. BIOS set to discrete gfx only. Using nvidia proprietary 390 driver
[16:30] <no_such_user> TJ: problem of hidpi being broken isnt fixable as some bright spark decided to remove fractional scaling per-monitor between 16 and 18. I think I read someone had maybe a preliminary re-implementation in 19?
[16:31] <no_such_user> TJ: problem with gdm is that it appears to not be aware of external monitors so if Im on an external monitor and logging in or recovering from sleep, I have to open the laptop and use that display before it hands over to X and starts the external monitor working
[16:32] <Walex> no_such_user: "per monitor" is usually not doable.
[16:32] <Walex> no_such_user: but look at per-monitor DPI settings with 'xrandr'
[16:33] <no_such_user> TJ: Next problem is that moving between work sites I have a UW monitor at one site and 4k at the other. Often moving between sites, by sleeping the machine, often the multi monitor support gets confused and wont display on any screen (including builtin) and you end up needing to restart gdm.
[16:34] <Walex> no_such_user: in general these are my notes on HiDPI: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SDdkHFWCck/
[16:34] <no_such_user> Walex, Yeah, I've got a bodge using xrandr. Was fine with fractional scaling per monitor under 16.04 but now can only do global scaling and not fractional so cant use built in screen + 4k external as one or the other will be vastly out of scale
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> no_such_user: easy on the enter button please, one problem at once
[16:35] <no_such_user> lotuspsychje, OK!
[16:36] <no_such_user> TJ: with your setup, goes gdm cope with the monitors?
[16:37] <no_such_user> TBH, I can almost put up with all the monitor nonsense but its really when the GUI goes completely or the system hangs that is something I cant put up with...
[16:40] <TJ-> no_such_user: re GDM, I don't use that at all. I use lightdm and at boot-time the DM greeter appears on whichever monitor has input focus (log-in dialog follows mouse )
[16:41] <TJ-> no_such_user: the confused monitors over sleep *should* be solvable by disconnecting the external monitor(s) before putting the system to sleep
[16:43] <no_such_user> TJ: Yep, that's what Ive been doing so far - it still gets a bit confused sometimes on plugging and re-plugging though and the settings applet often refuses to let me go into "joined" config and gets stuck in "single" on the internal display. Usually goes after 2 or 3 tries tho
[16:43] <TJ-> no_such_user: as to the different scaling, I've an 13" 2560x1440 in the notebook and an external 40" 192x1080 right now - using Xubuntu - and don't have any problems with that
[16:43] <TJ-> no_such_user: it does sound like "Gnome"
[16:43] <no_such_user> TJ: Ah, I didnt realise I could go back to lightdm - is it also possible to go back to unity as well? I wonder if thats worth a try
[16:44] <TJ-> no_such_user: on 16.04 you'd have been using Unity I presume
[16:44] <no_such_user> exactly
[16:44] <TJ-> no_such_user: not sure about Unity, because I never used that either
[16:44]  * TJ- tends to prefer command-line for most things, and if not, then Xubuntu :)
[16:45] <no_such_user> Ive never tried xubuntu, maybe I should give it a go some time...
[16:45] <no_such_user> Yeah, Im totally command line based - I just use big monitors as I have maybe 20 terminals, 10 emacs and a zillion browser sessions open at a time
[16:46] <TJ-> no_such_user: lightdm has its own downsides. The funniest/most frustrating is if you close the lid to suspend, then light-locker on wakeup blanks the display.. you can switch to a TTY and use that, but the GUI turns the display off using DPMS!
[16:46] <no_such_user> Which reminds me, workspace implementation went a step backwards in 18 as well!
[16:47] <no_such_user> TJ: Ah, Ive never done that as I dont trust it as much as I do my macbooks, always manually suspend!
[16:48] <TJ-> no_such_user: on this system I usually only have a single Terminal Emulator going, with tmux. I have tmux as the login shell, so multiple tmux windows/panes to separate things. On the 6-monitor system I've partitioned it into 4 X Session, and I put separate terminal emulators in the different sessions, so I know that looking at a particular monitor-pair means I'm dealing with specific remote hosts via
[16:48] <TJ-> terminal.
[16:54] <Mondo> I'm having trouble with me sound. I spent over an hour with a very patient user on #ubuntustudio and, also, went through the troubleshooting in !sound.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> Everyone: That was me helping Mondo. Can confirm, he went through the steps.
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: That said, I have one more thing for you to do to help: type this into a terminal (minus the quotes): "cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh | pastebinit" and paste the link it spits out here.
[16:57] <Mondo> The system's audio works just fine in Mint (live distro)
[16:58] <Mondo> --2019-06-06 09:57:41--  http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh
[16:58] <Mondo> Resolving jackaudio.org (jackaudio.org)... 69.163.217.234
[16:58] <Mondo> Connecting to jackaudio.org (jackaudio.org)|69.163.217.234|:80... connected.
[16:58] <Mondo> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[16:58] <Mondo> Length: 2249 (2.2K) [text/x-sh]
[16:58] <Mondo> Saving to: ‘adevices.sh’
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: No, in a command line!
[16:58]  * Eickmeyer should've specified
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: Hang on, I'll get someone to -q you.
[16:58] <no_such_user> Hm, just had another freeze that took out X... *sigh*
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: Also, just the URL at the end.
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: Ok, go ahead with JUST THE URL.
[17:00] <Mondo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/87kM5vwqF2/
[17:03] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: OvenWerks has been active today. I'll post in #ubuntustudio and see if he knows anything. In the meantime, hopefully someone in here can help.
[17:03] <Mondo> Thanks
[17:05] <Mondo> BRB
[17:08] <TJ-> no_such_user: check logs :)
[17:10] <TJ-> no_such_user: e.g. one thing you can check is "journalctl -b -p warning"
[17:19] <Mondo> Sorry. A client called. I'm back now
[17:22] <zamba> loginctl list-sessions lists 19k sessions on my ubuntu server
[17:22] <zamba> investigating /run/systemd/sessions i see a lot of sessions in the "closing" state
[17:23] <TJ-> Mondo: what is the actual problem?
[17:23] <Mondo> No audio
[17:23] <TJ-> Mondo: for what?
[17:23] <TJ-> Mondo: desktop generally, or specific applications?
[17:24] <Mondo> For anything. the "center" test from terminal; RhythmBox; I can't hear anything.
[17:24] <Mondo> Mixer shows audio happening, but there's no sound
[17:24] <Mondo> Plug in headphones and they get ack'd. But, also silent.
[17:26] <TJ-> Mondo: can you show us "pastebinit <( aplay -L )"
[17:26] <Mondo> sure. hold on
[17:26] <ioria> Mondo, have you tried it from  a livecd ?
[17:27] <Mondo> Yes. Works from live
[17:28] <Mondo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RNMTwz4GyG/
[17:28] <TJ-> Mondo: test if you hear something with "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav -l 2 -Dfront:PCH"
[17:29] <Mondo> No joy
[17:31] <TJ-> Mondo: that suggests a mixer/mute issue
[17:32] <Mondo> QasMixer says things are working. Eikmeyer had be stop jack, but that didn't help.
[17:33] <Mondo> Is there somewhere else that might be muted?
[17:34] <TJ-> Mondo: does this report the Card default as HDMI? "amixer info"
[17:35] <Mondo> Where would I find the default card? Also, note that I don't have HDMI. System has 1-VGA and 2-DP.
[17:36] <rory> When using "grep" on an Apache access log, there comes a point beyond which it just says "binary file matches". I can obviously use "grep -a" but can I identify and remove the naughty bytes?
[17:37] <cncr04s> how do I do-release-upgrade from a chroot on mounted partition via live-cd, it says I need to be connected to a terminal
[17:37] <ioria> Mondo, restarting pulseaudio ?
[17:38] <Mondo> I've rebooted numerous times. No joy. is there a command for that?
[17:38] <ioria> Mondo, pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio --start
[17:40] <Mondo> Still failing speaker test.
[17:40] <Mondo> with and w/o phones
[17:40] <ioria> Mondo, alsamixer and then F6 ? what card is slected ?
[17:42] <Mondo> I don't seem to have AlsaMixer. I'm using Ubuntu Studio and have others. Should it be there?
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: alsamixer is a command-line program.
[17:43] <Mondo> Ah!
[17:43] <ioria> Mondo, honestly i don't know studio, but afaik it's installed by deafult in all ubuntu versions
[17:43] <Mondo> How do you feed an F6 keystroke to it in terminal?
[17:44] <ioria> Mondo, just press it
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> F6 should be a key in and of itself on your keyboard.
[17:44] <Mondo> yes, I know that.
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> Might requrie an "fn" key modifier on your keyboard (mine does).
[17:45] <Mondo> All I get is a tilde (~) and a bash response saying that it's a directory
[17:45] <Mondo> No Fn keys here. Plain old keyboard
[17:45] <ioria> Mondo,   but do you see the alsamixer  window ?
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: Type "alsamixer" in your terminal. It'll come up with a pseudo-text-graphic interface. Then press F6.
[17:47] <cncr04s> also https://i.gyazo.com/39b7df93f5a43c71051b16bbefe4bc29.jpg partition is on a imsm/isw intel fakeraid, it used to work last time I booted about 6 months ago. Not sure what to do or what changed to make it unbootable. mounts fine in livecd. whats weird is that is says sda2, it should be a md container, grub points to the md container uuid so I don't know, u14.04
[17:47] <Mondo> Oops. The copy/paste dropped the first character (a). Now I've got it.
[17:47] <ioria> Mondo,  also '90 kbs have fx keys
[17:47] <Mondo> The F6 give me a selection menu:
[17:48] <ioria> yes ... and ?
[17:48] <Mondo> . (default)
[17:48] <Mondo> 0 HDA Intel HDMI
[17:48] <Mondo> 1 HDA Intel PCH
[17:48] <ioria> go 1
[17:48] <Mondo> Then "enter device name
[17:48] <ioria> go 1
[17:48] <Mondo> Ok, 1 selected
[17:48] <Mondo> Got some bars
[17:49] <ioria> Mondo,  active them to max
[17:49] <Mondo> Master is full; headphone is nothing. headphone is empty; speaker is full; PCM is full; line is empty;
[17:50] <ioria> Mondo,  yo don't want 'MM' in there
[17:52] <Mondo> I can move the selection with arrow keys and adjust levels, but can't get MM off.
[17:52] <Mondo> Master, phones, speaker, all have MM
[17:53] <ioria> Mondo,  press 'm' on the keyboard to change it
[17:54] <Mondo> OK. Now they say 00 and I set for same with phones.
[17:55] <Mondo> Hold and I'll test speaker
[17:55] <Mondo> OMG! That did it!
[17:55] <Mondo> Loria, you're my hero!
[17:55] <TJ-> Mondo: try a reboot; it is possible those devices are being set to mute at boot-time
[17:56] <Mondo> OK. BRB
[17:56] <ioria> Mondo,  glad to hear
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> !cookie ioria
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> !cookie | ioria
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> ioria: But seriously, thanks. I knew it would require a different approach.
[17:58] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: first port of call should always be ALSA - common issues are: HDMI is the default device and no external HDMI sound device (TV) is active, or as we see here sinks are auto-muted
[17:58] <ioria> hehehe
[17:58] <ioria> Eickmeyer, no prob
[17:59] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: simple test for ALSA or PA level issue is usually "speaker-test -Dfront:PCH -c 2 -t wav -l 2"
[17:59] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: if that works ALSA is fine; if not, ALSA problem
[18:00] <mondo> I'm back. Things are still working!
[18:01] <TJ-> mondo: hail the almighty ioria
[18:01] <ioria> lol
[18:02] <ioria> it's the D day
[18:02] <TJ-> funny thing is... ioria usually wants to Mute people here, not un-mute them :p
[18:02] <mondo> :o
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> *shots fired*
[18:03] <mondo> Oh, yea! ioria ROCKS!
[18:03] <mondo> Take care, all of you, and thanks for the fish! ;)
[18:05] <emilsp> hiya, where would I be able to get an iso for ubuntu 18.04.1 (not 18.04.2) ?
[18:10] <TJ-> emilsp: cdimages.ubuntu.com possibly
[18:12] <sarnold> emilsp: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.0/ -- PLEASE be careful with how you use these things. the apt on them is vulnerable to a MITM attack https://justi.cz/security/2019/01/22/apt-rce.html
[18:14] <TJ-> emilsp: or you can get them via http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/392/builds
[18:40] <maxcell_> I'm trying to install kernel-xanmod5.1.6 but nvidia dkms give it an error and i didn't find anything on google that helps
[18:40] <maxcell_> I'm not an expert can someone help?
[18:41] <Sebastien> maxcell_, you didn't post the error message you got, and what you tried, and where you got stuck, you got to be more precise with your questions.
[18:41] <maxcell_> Sebastien: error message and log coming
[18:41] <Sebastien> also .
[18:41] <Sebastien> it's a nvidia issue. not a #ubuntu issue
[18:41] <Sebastien> you might want to find the proper room for your issue
[18:43] <maxcell_> Sebastien: ...
[18:43] <angell> I had a problem where my headphones were muted after each reboot. I modified pulseaudio config and they are no longer muted, but the volume is always reset to 0 on reboot. How can I fix this?
[18:45] <TJ-> angell: that sounds like an ALSA-level issue
[18:46] <ffledgling> Hello, I'm running an Ubuntu VM on Google Cloud, I'm running into a weird issue where for some reason apt is unable to resolve the proxy server it is supposed to use to reach out and fetch packages, however everything else on the machine can resolve the proxy (and use it) correctly.
[18:46] <angell> TJ-, something is resetting headphone volume on reboot. Pulse audio was muting them, which is why I also suspect its resetting the volume to 0
[18:47] <TJ-> angell: we had someone else earlier today with a similar issue. Have you checked the state of the controls using 'alsamixer' in the terminal?
[18:47] <ffledgling> Any idea if apt/ubuntu caches DNS results somewhere or likes proxy configurations in a particular manner or if it tries to get dns answers from systemd-resolved directly or something like that?
[18:48] <angell> TJ-, yes. That's how I know that keeps getting reset to 0.
[18:52] <TJ-> angell: it may be something in the kernel driver for that specific device then
[18:53] <sarnold> ffledgling: I wonder if apt has had a proxy configured already and thus ignores the http_proxy environment variable; check out apt-config dump | grep -i proxy
[18:54] <Mondo> Every time I boot up I need to manually change AlsoMixer default.
[18:54] <Mondo> I set: "pacmd set-card-profile 1 output:analog-stereo" But that doesn't stick.
[18:54] <ffledgling> sarnold: the proxy is configured via a config-file, I'm not using the env variables for it. Let me look at the output of config dump however
[18:55] <ffledgling> It has it set correctly with the `Acquire::http::Proxy` directive in the dump
[18:55] <ffledgling> The problem is not that it's using the wrong proxy, it's the it says it's unable to resolve the proxy itself
[18:56] <ffledgling> *it's that it
[19:00] <ioria> Mondo, the '1' not permanent ?
[19:02] <arooni> anyway to turn off the clock and slide to unlock feature on ubuntu 18.04 after my laptopgoes blank?
[19:03] <Mondo> It's the same every time
[19:03] <ioria> Mondo, sudo nano /etc/asound.conf
[19:03] <ioria> Mondo, and put this in there : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F3Cm6pfy23/
[19:04] <Mondo> OK. Done
[19:05] <ioria> Mondo, paste   $ aplay -l | awk -F \: '/,/{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' | uniq
[19:05] <ioria> Mondo,    aplay -l | awk -F \: '/,/{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' | uniq
[19:06] <Mondo> play WARN getopt: option `l' not recognized
[19:06] <Mondo> play FAIL sox: invalid option
[19:06] <ioria> Mondo, again please:       aplay -l | awk -F \: '/,/{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' | uniq
[19:06] <Mondo> Then two blank lines followed by "off"
[19:07] <Mondo> That got something
[19:07] <ioria> Mondo, .... what ?
[19:07] <Mondo> Unexpected end of file]
[19:08] <Mondo> "/etc/asound.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it"
[19:08] <ioria> Mondo, copy and paste, please
[19:08] <ioria> ohhh
[19:09] <ioria> Mondo, cat  /etc/asound.conf | nc termbin.com 9999   (and paste the url here)
[19:09] <Mondo> I did Ctrl-O / Ctrl-X. File should be fine.
[19:09] <Mondo> https://termbin.com/pgn6
[19:10] <ioria> Mondo, no
[19:10] <Mondo> ?
[19:10] <ioria> Mondo, please open this link : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F3Cm6pfy23/
[19:10] <ioria> Mondo, you paste the url not the content
[19:10] <Mondo> OK
[19:11] <ioria> Mondo, you need to fill the  /etc/asound.conf file with THAT content
[19:11] <Mondo> The content of the URL that resulted from  cat command?
[19:11] <Mondo> Past contect from your link into .conf?
[19:12] <ioria> Mondo, yes
[19:12] <Mondo> OK.
[19:13] <Mondo> https://termbin.com/5rgo
[19:13] <ioria> Mondo, ok,  try again    :     cat  /etc/asound.conf | nc termbin.com 9999   (and paste the url here)
[19:14] <Mondo> That's it. https://termbin.com/5rgo
[19:14] <ioria> Mondo, ok:          aplay -l | awk -F \: '/,/{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' | uniq
[19:14] <Mondo> Shall I rerun aplay command?
[19:14] <ioria> yes
[19:15] <Mondo> results: HDMI PCH
[19:15] <plongshot> Is there anywhere to get a list of just the gnome terminal shorcuts that have to do with text manipulation (eg: I learned there is <ctrl> + k and <ctrl> + y to kill / yank text - what about the others?).
[19:15] <ioria> Mondo, try a reboot
[19:15] <Mondo> oK. BRB
[19:16] <plongshot> I looked in the terminal configuration and there are other keybindings there (not of the class indicated).
[19:18] <helioscultist> I have a bionic vm running headless, should it not have pusle installed?
[19:26] <Mondo> Speaker-test says device front:PCH is busy. Then I set AlsaMixer and speaker-test is good.
[19:26] <ioria> Mondo, again:           aplay -l | awk -F \: '/,/{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' | uniq
[19:27] <Mondo> HDMI PCH
[19:27] <ioria> Mondo, so you need to reset it each reboot ?
[19:27] <Mondo> Yes
[19:28] <Thr0r> Mondo: You are posting the same in two channels - confusing...
[19:28] <ioria> Mondo, sudo nano   /etc/asound.conf  ; delete the content and replace with this :   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/393zBdbsDZ/
[19:28] <Mondo> Sorry. I'm new
[19:28] <ioria> Mondo, not with url but with the content's url
[19:29] <Mondo> got it. You can only fool me once! ;)
[19:30] <Mondo> Done
[19:30] <ioria> heheh
[19:30] <pearoka> Hi all, I'm hacking an apparmor profile without much success, this should be fixed for the restricted application: "failed to load driver amdgpu". OFC it works well without apparmor
[19:30] <ioria> Mondo, reboot again (sy)
[19:30] <Mondo> kk
[19:31] <sarnold> pearoka: what are the DENIED lines?
[19:31] <Mondo> Back.
[19:31] <TJ-> ioria: Mondo the usual way to stop HDMI being card 0 (default) is via an additional entry in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  --- add:
[19:31] <TJ-> options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0
[19:31] <TJ-> options snd-hda-intel id=HDMI index=1
[19:32] <ioria> yeah, probably
[19:32] <Mondo> from terminal?
[19:32] <ioria> Mondo, not working ?
[19:32] <Mondo> hold
[19:33] <Mondo> Yeah. Same. have to set in Alsa
[19:33] <ioria> Mondo, go with TJ- advice
[19:33] <TJ-> Mondo:  echo -e "options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0\noptions snd-hda-intel id=HDMI index=1\n" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[19:33] <pearoka> sarnold: I use a custom profile (it had been downloaded from github) it doesn't have any special restriction but grant
[19:34] <Mondo> done
[19:34] <Mondo> Reboot?
[19:34] <ioria> yep
[19:34] <Mondo> BRB
[19:34] <TJ-> Mondo: unfortunately, yes
[19:35] <Mondo> Back
[19:36] <Mondo> Device front:pch still busy
[19:37] <Mondo> Still setting in Alsa fixes it. But, NOTE: PCH is now device 0.
[19:37] <ioria> Mondo, sudo rm    /etc/asound.conf
[19:37] <Mondo> done
[19:38] <ioria> Mondo, you know what
[19:38] <Mondo> Hahaha...
[19:38] <Mondo> BRB
[19:39] <Mondo> Still need to change Alsa
[19:41] <Mondo>  I haven't really had a chance to appreciate this system's speed until now.
[19:41] <Mondo> So many reboots!
[19:42] <TJ-> Mondo: what's the remaining issue? muted?
[19:42] <Mondo> Still no sound unless I change the default in Alsa
[19:43] <ahi2> i created a launcher to open the terminal and how do I make it run a command like /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal && sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade? except this opens terminal but doesnt run the command
[19:43] <TJ-> Mondo: that does appear to be a configuration issue then, alsa presumably picking the HDMI rather than the PCH?
[19:43] <ioria> Mondo, we probably need to edit /etc/pulse/default.pa
[19:43] <helioscultist> I looked into my /etc dir and found pulse and in dpkg libpulse is installed but pulseaudio isn't. Now i would like to output sound through ssh, how should i go about this
[19:43] <Mondo> I don't think so. Speaker-test reports that PCH is busy.
[19:44] <TJ-> Mondo: ahhh, so something has taken exclusive hold of the PCH device
[19:45] <ioria> Mondo,  cat cat /proc/asound/cards | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:45] <ioria> Mondo,  cat /proc/asound/cards | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:45] <dmnur> ahi2: use the -e option, like this: /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal -e 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'
[19:45] <helioscultist> I you check superuser for this than they recomend to load module-native-protocols-tcp
[19:45] <Mondo> https://termbin.com/rzoy
[19:45] <ahi2> dmnur: thank you
[19:46] <ioria> Mondo,  now is set to '0', good
[19:46] <Mondo> :)
[19:46] <ioria> Mondo,  pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo
[19:46] <Mondo> No such profile: output:analog-stereo
[19:47] <TJ-> Mondo: what does this show? "ls -l /etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf"
[19:47] <ahi2> dmnur:  it works and asks me for a password but then terminal closes right away without updating
[19:48] <Mondo> "ls: cannot access '/etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf': No such file or directory"
[19:48] <TJ-> Mondo: OK, so not alsa saving state then
[19:49] <TJ-> Mondo: is the system sound currently working fine, after you've altered it?
[19:49] <Mondo> yes
[19:49] <Mondo> Phones are ack'd, also
[19:50] <Mondo> good sound external speaker and though phones. But, have to change default in Alsa
[19:50] <Mondo> Is there a way to "roll back" to earlier in the week. Everything was working last Monday.
[19:51] <TJ-> Mondo: right, so now do "sudo alsactl store 0"
[19:51] <Mondo> Ok. Reboot?
[19:52] <ioria> i don't dare to tell
[19:52] <Mondo> ?
[19:52] <Mondo> TJ?
[19:52] <ioria> yes
[19:53] <Mondo> Rebooting now. BRB
[19:53] <TJ-> Mondo: then do "sudo mkdir /etc/alsa; touch /etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf"
[19:53] <TJ-> Grrrr
[19:53] <TJ-> not yet not yet!
[19:53] <dmnur> ahi2: this should work then: /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal -e 'bash -c "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade"'
[19:54] <ioria> TJ-, sy
[19:54] <dmnur> ahi2: if you want it to not terminate after updating, this hack may help: /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal -e 'bash -c "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade; exec bash"'
[19:55] <Mondo> Still have to change in Alsa
[19:55] <TJ-> Mondo:  do "sudo alsactl store 0" then...
[19:55] <ahi2> dmnur: thanks. ill try it
[19:56] <TJ-> Mondo: ... try "sudo systemctl restart alsa-restore"
[19:56] <TJ-> Mondo: and ensure you still have sound output
[19:57] <Mondo> done. Sound is still good. Rebooting (again!)
[19:57] <TJ-> Mondo: if you still have sound output, at boot-time the alsa-restore service should run and restore your current settings
[19:58] <TJ-> premature...!
[19:59] <Mondo> no sound
[19:59] <Mondo> shall I change Alsa?
[19:59] <Mondo> ... or wipe/re-install?
[20:00] <ioria> Mondo, i'd try with  /etc/pulse/default.pa ;   https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038490/how-do-you-set-a-default-audio-output-device-in-ubuntu-18-04/1038492
[20:00] <ioria> Mondo, have to leave; gl
[20:00] <Mondo> OK. Thanks, ioria!
[20:01] <Mondo> Can someone explain what ioria means? Try how?
[20:01] <TJ-> Mondo: the issue is that alsa is apparently not able to restore the saved settings, or those settings are incorrect
[20:01] <Mondo> I think we removed the default.pa earlier
[20:02] <TJ-> Mondo: can you "pastebinit /var/lib/alsa/asound.state"
[20:02] <Mondo> Oh... it's still there
[20:02] <Mondo> Sure. hang on.
[20:03] <TJ-> Mondo: at boot time the systemd alsa-restore unit should cause alsactl to read that file and restore the settings saved there. I'm beginning to think you've something else installed that is interfering with that process and changing the file
[20:03] <Mondo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hKQG282P4w/
[20:04] <Mondo> Quite possible, TJ. I'm a noob and could have done something
[20:04] <TJ-> Mondo: also, check the timestamp on that file is just a few minutes ago with "ls -l /var/lib/alsa/"
[20:05] <Mondo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16860 Jun  6 12:58 asound.state
[20:06] <Mondo> Noticed that it says "total 20" even though there are only 4 files.
[20:07] <TJ-> Mondo: looking inside that file, I notice under the state.PCH settings, for the "name 'Auto-Mute Mode'" it is set to "Line Out+Speaker" -- I'm not sure how to interpret that right now but it could be read to mean it auto-mutes those outputs.
[20:07] <Mondo> client.conf  daemon.conf  default.pa  system.pa
[20:07] <Mondo> Interesting!
[20:07] <TJ-> Mondo: "total" is the number of file-system blocks used
[20:07] <Mondo> Ah. Thanks
[20:07] <TJ-> Mondo: I'll compare that setting with mine here in case I can get a clue
[20:07] <Mondo> :)
[20:08] <Mondo> My windows past is showing...
[20:09] <TJ-> Mondo: Mine has slightly different options (only Enabled or Disabled) but it is set to Enabled so I think it relates to muting Speakers when Headphones are plugged in
[20:09] <Mondo> Mine does that. Switches speakers off when phones are plugged. Back again when unplugges.
[20:10] <Mondo> *unplugged
[20:13] <Thr0r> TJ-: Regarding Mondo's problem I remember reading in #Ubuntustudio about something similar  some time ago. - OvenWerks suggested  to create a script to run at startup that would sleep for 10 sec and then run to restore the settings in asound file. I may be way off but just mentioning it...
[20:13] <TJ-> Mondo: I cannot see anything in that file that would explain the device being muted.
[20:13] <Mondo> Hmmm...
[20:13] <TJ-> Mondo: That is the issue isnt it? On reboot the PCH payblack device is set to mute?
[20:14] <Mondo> It's not muted. Speaker-test says it's "busy". Also shows it's OK when I change to it.
[20:15] <Mondo> With Alsa
[20:15] <TJ-> Mondo: oh, damn, then I'm chasing the wrong the issue :D
[20:15] <Mondo> :(
[20:16] <TJ-> Mondo: Do you know how to reboot into the text consoles - not starting the GUI? let's see if this is being caused by the GUI
[20:17] <Mondo> Sorry, no. Willing to try!
[20:17] <Mondo> Is there a prompt after BIOS?
[20:17] <Mondo> (ie. Windows)
[20:18] <TJ-> Mondo: at boot-time tap Esc key a few times to get the GRUB boot-loader menu, hilight the default entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ..." and at the end of it, after it says "quiet splash" and maybe other things, add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" then press Ctrl+X to boot with that option. This will prevent the GUI from starting...
[20:18] <Mondo> OK. BRB!
[20:18] <TJ-> Mondo:  ... and when you get a text login prompt log-in and do the speaker-test ("speaker-test
[20:18] <TJ-> WAIT!!!!
[20:18] <Mondo> Yes
[20:18]  * TJ- pins Mondo to the chair
[20:19] <Mondo> Hahaha!
[20:20] <TJ-> Mondo: ... do the speaker-test command we did earlier (I assume you have that written down safely) to see if the speakers work. If they do NOT work then do "lsof /dev/snd/* | tee /tmp/lsof.log" (this will save a list of  any processes that have the sound device open).
[20:20] <TJ-> Mondo: ....
[20:20] <TJ-> Mondo: ... then start the GUI with "sudo systemctl start graphical.target" and log-in as normal
[20:20] <Mondo> You know what they say about assuming!
[20:20] <TJ-> Mondo: record all this then you may reboot :D
[20:21] <Mondo> Getting it down now...
[20:23] <Mondo> OK... rebooting now
[20:23] <Mondo> See you shortly!
[20:24] <TJ-> :)
[20:24] <Soni> what are lightweight alternatives to lighttpd?
[20:25] <TJ-> Soni: isn't that light?
[20:25] <dmnur> Soni: depends on what you need.
[20:27] <Soni> dmnur: static pages, HTTPS, a blog
[20:28] <TJ-> Soni: but how 'light'? RAM usage, disk space, what?
[20:29] <Soni> it's a so-called shitbox VPS. 1 core, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB disk, etc
[20:30] <lordcirth> Soni, and what problem is lighttpd having?
[20:30] <Soni> lordcirth: the config's a pain
[20:31] <Soni> I basically have the same thing copypasted 5 times, once for each subdomain
[20:31] <Soni> I don't even wanna know what adding a blog would look like
[20:32] <thaurwylth> Is the Ubuntu on Azure cloud VM always a standard mainline U?
[20:32] <TJ-> thaurwylth: you'll get a better answer for that in #ubuntu-server
[20:32] <thaurwylth> Arright!
[20:33] <Forty-3> how can I replace netplan with something else? I am affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1773997
[20:33] <Forty-3> do I just purge it and install netctl or something?
[20:33] <lordcirth> Forty-3, desktop or server?
[20:33] <Forty-3> server
[20:33] <TJ-> Forty-3: don't use netplan, write the config in the systemd.network config directly
[20:33] <hans__> iirc mysql has a buggy BEGIN TRANSACTION; after X amount of records, everything is silently-committed behind-the-scene and every following record becomes a transaction->insert->commit like a transactionless query
[20:33] <lordcirth> Forty-3, you should be able to remove netplan and write in /etc/systemd/network
[20:34] <Forty-3> oh, really
[20:34] <Forty-3> the wiki made it seem like netplan was the default
[20:34] <Forty-3> I'll try systemd then
[20:34] <hans__> solution is to limit number of INSERTs per COMMIT
[20:34] <hans__> or... workaround, rather
[20:34] <lordcirth> Netplan compiles networkd files
[20:34] <thaurwylth> Although: does this imply that it won't be a regular desktop user like Ubuntu?
[20:35] <lordcirth> thaurwylth, what do you mean?
[20:36] <thaurwylth> I don't know! That's why the question looks silly, tee hee. I mean I didn't know that a VM might run Ubuntu server, even though now it sounds kind of like it makes sense.
[20:36] <TJ-> thaurwylth: yes, the installs in the 'cloud' virtual machines are ubuntu-server variaties
[20:36] <thaurwylth> Okeys!
[20:37]  * TJ- thinks he lost Mondo
[20:37] <Mondo> I'm back!
[20:38] <vimar> ok
[20:38] <Mondo> Took longer than expected because Linux usernames are case sensitive!
[20:38] <Mondo> OK. So... Speaker-test still says busy
[20:38] <TJ-> Mondo: :D yay!
[20:38] <pearoka> everything is case sensitive in linux
[20:39] <TJ-> Mondo: so we now know something is starting early, before GUI, that grabs the snd device
[20:39] <Mondo> I'm finding that out, pearoka
[20:39] <TJ-> Mondo: did you run the 'lsof' command?
[20:39] <Mondo> yes
[20:39] <TJ-> Mondo: OK, let's see it "pastebinit /tmp/lsof.log"
[20:40] <Mondo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VvjFq5X9Ch/
[20:40] <TJ-> Mondo: hmmm, pulseaudio only, which is what I'd expect. So no clue there!
[20:41] <Mondo> But, isn't it supposed to be 0 then 1?
[20:41] <thaurwylth> Have you tried hardware related troubleshooting? Such as super old times' IRQ conflicts and things like that? (Maybe IRQ conflicts can't even happen any more.)
[20:42] <Mondo> haven't tried that, thaurwylth
[20:42] <Mondo> I doubt that's the issue, though. Audio is normal with a live distro
[20:44] <TJ-> Mondo: It has to be some additional package installed that isn't on the Live, of course
[20:44] <Mondo> of course.
[20:45] <Mondo> Somewhere, we should be able to see that.
[20:45] <Mondo> Some little gremlin is hiding in there. We just need to wet it down!
[20:48] <dmnur> Mondo: let's try this command: getent group audio
[20:48] <Mondo> audio:x:29:pulse,mondo
[20:49] <TJ-> Mondo: let's get a list of all the running services: "pastebinit <( systemctl status )"
[20:49] <dmnur> Mondo: oh. Try this: sudo gpasswd -d mondo audio
[20:49] <dmnur> Mondo: then reboot.
[20:50] <Mondo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wS7Z4b2h8K/
[20:50] <Mondo> Hold on, dmnur
[20:51] <Mondo> (PS: not comfortable with your suggestion)
[20:51] <TJ-> dmnur: what's the rationale for that?
[20:51] <dmnur> Mondo: TJ-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup
[20:51] <Mondo> password things make me nervous
[20:51] <Mondo> Sorry
[20:52] <TJ-> dmnur: ignore that wiki, it was last edited in 2013!
[20:52] <TJ-> dmnur: standard install is a user-owned pulseaudio server so user has to be in the audio group
[20:53] <TJ-> Mondo: gotchya!!! I think!
[20:54] <Mondo> OK. Doing the gpasswd thing w/ reboot. BRB
[20:54] <dmnur> TJ-: still relevant though. Having a user in the `audio` means that the user has direct access to audio devices. And that means that any process ran by that user can block software mixing.
[20:55] <TJ-> Mondo: in your system service list is "osspd" which is the Open Sound System Proxy Daemon. OSS used to be famous for grabbing exclusive use of sound devices. Let's ask Eickmeyer[m] if osspd could be an issue
[20:55] <TJ-> dmnur: it's standard: "S tj        4166     1  0  80   0  8956 292693 poll_s Jun01 ?       00:00:34 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog"
[20:56] <Mondo> Speaker-test still says PCH is busy
[20:57] <TJ-> Mondo: you got out before I wrote you something again!
[20:57] <TJ-> Mondo: in your system service list is "osspd" which is the Open Sound System Proxy Daemon. OSS used to be famous for grabbing exclusive use of sound devices. Let's ask Eickmeyer[m] if osspd could be an issue
[20:58] <Mondo> OK
[20:58] <TJ-> Mondo: also, in your user session I see something that could be related to Jack: "/usr/bin/python3 -u /usr/bin/autojack >~/.log/autojack.log"
[20:58] <Mondo> Hmmm...
[20:59] <TJ-> Mondo: I have a US DAW that hasn't exhibited your issue. It's about 25 miles away; but I can VPN in, so we could compare what that is running
[21:00] <Mondo> OK. I'm game.
[21:00] <TJ-> Mondo: ok, it has osspd too: "│ └─753 /usr/sbin/osspd -f --dsp-slave=/usr/lib/osspd/ossp-slave"
[21:01] <pd09041999[m]> 'drm:drm_mode_addfb2'----what does this mean?
[21:01] <TJ-> Mondo: but it doesn't have this autojack thing
[21:01] <Mondo> Is it a Studio install?
[21:01] <TJ-> pd09041999[m]: drm_mode_addfb2() is a function in the kernel
[21:01] <TJ-> Mondo: yes, it's US (Ubuntu Studio)
[21:02] <Mondo> 18.04 LTS with back Ports?
[21:02] <TJ-> Mondo: 1st line of /etc/apt/sources.list shows "#deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Studio 18.04 LTS _Bionic Beaver_ - Release amd64 (20180426)]/ bionic main multiverse restricted universe"
[21:02] <pd09041999[m]> these messages are polluting my logs
[21:03] <TJ-> Mondo: "/etc/apt/sources.list:36:deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse"
[21:03] <pd09041999[m]> is it a warning or error or what
[21:03] <TJ-> pd09041999[m]: not sure! if there's no message with it I would think it is just telling us its been called :)
[21:04] <Mondo> Here's mine: "deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Studio 18.04 LTS _Bionic Beaver_ - Release amd64 (20180426)]/ bionic main multiverse restricted universe"
[21:04] <emilsp> sarnold, TJ- this is a very belated thanks for the links :) I'm well aware they might be vulnerable, but I need them for testing purposes.
[21:04] <TJ-> emilsp: :)
[21:04] <Mondo> Hey... I don't see my backports
[21:09] <TJ-> Mondo: Mondo interesting, II find a reference to autojack in the UbuStudio release notes for 18.10, which infers it is part of the US install, but I don't see it
[21:10] <Mondo> OK. Is that good or bad?
[21:11] <TJ-> Mondo: well, it's the only difference I see, and it is related to something (jack) that also takes exclusive hold of audio devices
[21:13] <Mondo> Would that change AlsoMixer? It seems like the only consistency
[21:16] <TJ-> Mondo: alsamixer reflects the state of the controls. we KNOW you have saved the correct state in asound.state, but that it is somehow changed at boottime
[21:17] <TJ-> Mondo: that points to something like Jack making changes, I wonder if this "autojack" is writing that config into the device after alsa-restore.service has run
[21:18] <Mondo> Good theory. How do we prove/disprove it?
[21:19] <TJ-> Mondo: I've just done a full text archive search using apt-file for "autojack" and not got a match
[21:19] <TJ-> Mondo: that means that filename isn't in any of the Ubuntu archives listed in the apt sources.list, so I'm confused!
[21:20] <Thr0r> "Run at start" script will resolve this - just make it reset to what you want in asound..
[21:20] <TJ-> Mondo: but it is mentioned in more detail here in the Audio section: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[21:22] <Mondo> Starting the Ubuntu Studio Controls gives me the Studio Set Up Utility with the message "Warning: Real time permissions have not been properly installed!"
[21:24] <TJ-> Mondo: hmmm, as I'm on a remote SSH I can't easily execute the full desktop here,... or can I, I think I had VNC installed for just this reason!
[21:24] <Mondo> :)
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: That's not a problem. Click on the button that says that and it'll set that up for you. :)
[21:26] <TJ-> Mondo: I *love* linux sometimes; just ran "sudo -u lightdm x11vnc -display :0 -auth /var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority" on the remote system and I have its greeter here
[21:26] <ztychr> Running Ubuntu 18.04. Fullscreen on youtube in Firefox is adding a white space/bar in the top. Doesn't happen on firefox on Windows. Non fullscreen: https://pasteboard.co/IidhEso.png Fullscreen: https://pasteboard.co/IidhPKz.png Has anyone had this problem?
[21:26] <dmnur> Mondo: TJ-: ah, I see, it's Ubuntu Studio... Yeah, there for real-time audio a user needs to be in the `audio` group. My bad.
[21:26] <Mondo> Koolio!
[21:26] <Mondo> Oops. how do I add back in?
[21:26] <dmnur> Mondo: sudo gpasswd -a mondo audio
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> dmnur: The button in Ubuntu Studio Controls does that automatically.
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls
[21:27] <TJ-> Mondo: where do I find the Studio Controls!?
[21:27] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: can you tell us what this autojack is and which package it is in?
[21:27] <Mondo> Before that, I have a message from the Controls when I clicked on "Fix". Want to see the screenshot?
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: autojack is part of Ubuntu Studio Controls (ubutnustudio-controls)
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> *ubuntustudio-controls
[21:28] <Mondo> How do I paste graphic to you?
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> The user shouldn't have to touch it.
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: Use imgur
[21:29] <Mondo> Do i need an account for that?
[21:29] <TJ-> Mondo: I found the controls :)
[21:29] <Mondo> Yay!
[21:29] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: right, what does it *do* though? I could not find it with "apt-file search autojack"
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: It starts Jack automatically at startup if it was left running when the user shuts down the system. It's configured by Ubuntu Studio Controls.
[21:31] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: I'm puzzled as to why apt-file cannot locate it; which release of U-S first included it?
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: the one in Cosmic
[21:33] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: aha! The system I'm checking on is 18.04!!
[21:33] <TJ-> Mondo: mystery solved :)
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: That's why the Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA is REQUIRED for Ubuntu Studio 18.04.
[21:33] <Mondo> Oh, yeah?
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports
[21:33] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: yes, and it is enabled
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> Cool
[21:34] <Mondo> I didn't see it on my first line as you did on yours.
[21:34] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: oh sorry, it's the main backports enabled, not a PPA
[21:34] <Mondo> Ah
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: Yeah, need the PPA (the ultra-rare official PPA, btw).
[21:35] <TJ-> Mondo: I'm now worried if I enable the backports PPA I might break our DAW!
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: You won't. There's no DAW in the PPA.
[21:35] <Mondo> Oh, don't do that!
[21:35] <Mondo> I'd rather wipe my system than put someone else's down!
[21:36] <dmnur> Eickmeyer: and it also should automatically set up PulseAudio to use JACK instead of directly accessing audio devices, right?
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> It's pretty benign as PPAs go: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=bionic
[21:36] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: the DAW is setup with Ardour + Alsa (no jack) with an external delta 1010 and a UC33 controller, so I don't want to risk something in the backports breaking config it took a while to get it set :)
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> dmnur: The PulseAudio bridge makes Pulse act like an audio device within Jack. Jack needs direct access via ALSA to function correctly.
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: That won't happen.
[21:37] <Mondo> https://imgur.com/UOX77lV
[21:37] <Mondo> Sorry it took a minute. I've never used Imgur...
[21:37] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: the only purpose in my looking at our DAW config was to try to spot a difference with Mondo's that might help us figure out what is grabbing exclusive control of the PCH sound device on his system
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: That means you need to log-out and log-in for it to take effect.
[21:38] <Mondo> Log out of Studio?
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: Yes.
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise the system won't put you in the audio group.
[21:38] <Mondo> OK... Anything before I go, TJ?
[21:39] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: did you see earlier I got Mondo to boot to a multi-user.target - so no GUI - and something had exclusive control of the PCH, such that speaker-test couldn't use it, so we are working on the theory that something is grabbing it
[21:39] <Mondo> ...
[21:39] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: we ensured the alsactl store in asound.state is correct, and that alsa-restore.service is running and doing its job
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: I didn't see that. Did you figure out what was grabbing it (if anything)?
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> If it was Jack (or autojack) a simple "Stop Jack" click in Ubuntu Studio Controls should handle it.
[21:40] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: no, Mondo ran "lsof /dev/snd*" whilst in that TTY and we had the log; it just showed pulseaudio as per usual
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: Ah. Odd.
[21:41] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: this was the lsof /dev/snd/* log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VvjFq5X9Ch/
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: I see.
[21:42] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: and in case you can spot something we cannot, here's a the GUI session "systemctl status" -- this is where I saw "autojack" and got fixated on finding out what it is, and if it coudl be implicated http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wS7Z4b2h8K/
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: Ah, yes. autojack serves one purpose: to determine whether or not Jack runs at startup.
[21:44] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: is it being started as part of the user GUII session, or could it have been started for a TTY login with the multi-user.target ?
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: It should be part of the GUI session, but the developer (OvenWerks) is in #ubuntustudio and would have more specifics.
[21:45] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: because if whatever had grabbed the PCH inn the TTY session is the same as is affecting the GUI session, that would rule out autojack
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: I don't know that much, sadly.
[21:45] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: I feel lost too :D
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: OvenWerks is definitely the guy to talk to.
[21:46] <TJ-> At least we fixed the problem with the HDMI device being the default, so Mondo does now have a known woraround on each start-up to enable sound
[21:47] <TJ-> I've joined ubuntu-studio in case we have any bright ideas :)
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: Wrong channel. It's #ubuntustudio
[21:47] <Mondo> Yes. But, it's a PitA and shouldn't be/didn't used to be that way.
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> TJ-: Nm, you got it.
[21:47] <TJ-> Mondo: I think we're all out of ideas right now, but check in #ubuntustudio we may discover something¬
[21:48] <Mondo> OK. Heading over thre now.
[21:48] <TJ-> Eickmeyer: hahaha! first time a typo has actually helped me!
[21:48] <Eickmeyer> Mondo: We did it that way because 18.04 was released as non-LTS for Ubuntu Studio. This is the only way we can give it that extra LTS-like support.
[21:49] <TJ-> Mondo: was PiTA about the HDMI default?
[21:49] <helioscultist> I have a question:what is the diffrence between libasound and libpulse0 and alsa and pulse?
[21:53] <Smokie> hey guys, i have apache2 running on a new VM to test some stuff, how can i give my User access to /var/html/www so i dont have to use the root user every time i want to add something?
[21:53] <TJ-> helioscultist: ALSA is the Linux kernel sound infrastructure, plus associated user-space controls. Pulseaudio is a sound server that can route and process sound
[21:54] <helioscultist> yes. but lib alsa ansd alsa?
[21:54] <helioscultist> sory libasound and alsa
[21:55] <TJ-> !info libasound2
[21:56] <OerHeks> lib is a library, part of ~
[21:57] <splifpuf> Smokie, sudo chown -R $USER /var/www/html/
[21:57] <Smokie> splifpuf, should i expect any issues when doing that?
[21:58] <OerHeks> splifpuf, meh, normally one would add the user the www-data group
[21:58] <TJ-> Smokie: i'd use ACLs for that; "sudo setfacl -m u:$USER:rwx /var/www/html"
[21:58] <Smokie> hmm i never heard of ACLs before.. how is it different than what splifpuf suggested?
[21:58] <splifpuf> well, test it before, or maybe you should made a symlink..
[21:58] <helioscultist> ty, still conffused, if alsa comes with the kernel (does it?) shouldn't it be available always?
[21:59] <TJ-> Smokie: but, if you're using apache2, you could enable the mod_userdir module, then the server can server your $HOME/public_html/ directory on the http://localhost/~$USER URL, e.g. for me it'd be /~tj
[21:59] <TJ-> Smokie: ACLs do not change the POSIX ownership
[21:59] <TJ-> Smokie: ACLs can add additional users/groups as well as the file-ownership
[22:00] <Smokie> TJ-, i dont want to use http://localhost/~$USER on a local VM that has no access outside my network
[22:00] <Smokie> splifpuf, hmm like create an html folder in my user directory and do a symlink from /var/www/html to that?
[22:01] <dmnur> helioscultist: to play sound using ALSA, programs need a way to communicate with it. libasound provides an interface for that, programs use this interface.
[22:01] <splifpuf> OerHeks, you'r right
[22:01] <splifpuf> Smokie, if it's only for test or for learn you can do it
[22:01] <splifpuf> but it's not safe to put if on your home/user
[22:01] <Smokie> OerHeks, hmm add my user to www-data group would give me access to /var/www/html'
[22:01] <Smokie> ?
[22:02] <splifpuf> Smokie, if you do a ls -all you can see groups
[22:02] <TJ-> Smokie: I used localhost purely to demonstrate the /~ part, it works for all virtualhosts apache has defined
[22:03] <dmnur> helioscultist: libasound is used to communicate with ALSA directly. libpulse, on the other hand, provides an interface to PulseAudio. Most programs allow users to choose which one to use.
[22:03] <helioscultist> ok, so alsa/pulse are aggregators?
[22:04] <helioscultist> ty
[22:05] <Smokie> so what is the best way of doing it then guys?
[22:06] <TJ-> Smokie: ACLs :)
[22:06] <dmnur> Smokie: using ACLs is better, yes.
[22:06] <TJ-> Smokie: that's what they're for
[22:06] <OerHeks> ACL is better than add user www-data, as your webservice is more secure
[22:07] <Smokie> thanks a lot for the help guys
[22:09] <OERIAS> I have a silly question but...
[22:09] <OERIAS> does anyone know how to speed an old ubuntu installation?
[22:10] <OERIAS> It is running 19.04 and it takes a billion years to boot up and when I log in it also takes another billion years to load up the desktop.
[22:11] <splifpuf> OERIAS, specs ? and desktop env ?
[22:11] <splifpuf> laptop or desktop ?
[22:13] <plongshot> I'm looking for a complete set of these guys to use as icons in a project. Does anyone know what they are called (do they have a name)? Or where I could find a complete set of them?  https://tinyurl.com/yxf8xjbk
[22:14] <sarnold> OERIAS: you can disable all the CPU flaw mitigations with some kernel command line parameters. this is a bad idea if you do important things on the web with a web browser, or run programs that you'd consider untrusted alongside programs you consider trusted..
[22:15] <sarnold> OERIAS: but for a single-user machine that doesn't run javascript or other untrusted programs, you may find this useful: https://make-linux-fast-again.com/
[22:16] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg # gives a nice graph
[22:16] <OerHeks> or systemd-analyze blame
[22:17] <OERIAS> OerHeks, will produce a command...
[22:17] <plongshot> found out thanks: https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/3d-operator-working-call-center-rendered-94804381
[22:18] <OERIAS> sarnold this is an 12 GB of RAM laptop with an i5 processor running the Unity Desktop environment
[22:20] <splifpuf> OERIAS, GPU is enabled ?
[22:20] <splifpuf> do you got ant graphic card inside ?
[22:24] <Mondo> I know I wasn't going to come back until tomorrow. But...
[22:24] <Mondo> Recovery mode in Terminal Emulation (as Mondo) Speaker-test failed
[22:24] <Mondo> Recovery mode in XTerm (as Root) Speaker-test passed
[22:26] <coz_> hey all
[22:37] <p0wder> im getting an error when i try to open nautilus as root
[22:37] <p0wder> this is the error im getting:
[22:37] <p0wder> No protocol specified
[22:37] <p0wder> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[22:37] <p0wder> (nautilus:12675): Gtk-WARNING **: 18:37:17.869: cannot open display: :0
[22:38] <p0wder> it used to work.. im not sure what i did to make it stop working
[22:38] <OerHeks> just warnings.. and do not open a gui program like that, install nautilus-admin to obtain proper root from nautilus
[22:38] <OerHeks> !info nautilus-admin
[22:39] <p0wder> i was trying to quickly edit my grub theme
[22:40] <p0wder> i type-  sudo nautilus /boot/grub/themes
[22:40] <OerHeks> try nano ?
[22:40] <p0wder> i shouldn't be doing that?
[22:41] <OerHeks> that is if themes is a file , but i understand you want to edit files in that folder?
[22:41] <p0wder> yeah
[22:41] <p0wder> i want to swap out some .pngs
[22:42] <p0wder> (icons)
[22:43] <p0wder> i ended up cd'ing to the directory and using mv commands to edit everything
[22:43] <OerHeks> that nautilus-admin plugin gives root priv to move copy rename, and to edit
[22:44] <p0wder> any idea why it stopped letting me do it the "sudo nautilus /" way?
[22:45] <p0wder> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz (1.62GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.4 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 20.7 GB / 254.1 GB (233.5 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV620/M82 [Mobility Radeon HD 3450/3470] @ Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controlle
[22:45] <p0wder> r Hub • Uptime: 39m 53s
[22:47] <OerHeks> because systemd i guess
[22:47] <p0wder> oh :(
[22:49] <OerHeks> there are more nautilus plugins, i need one that lists  snap/flatpack (wishlist)
[23:33] <archuserau> Hey, is anyone using ubuntu on an imac?
[23:57] <Sveta> archuserau, perhaps someone is.  (Not me, but this is unimportant.) What is the issue?
[23:58] <archuserau> It is not booting unless i use nomodeset