[00:00] you could call it adevices [00:01] Eickmeyer: we could also add that file to /usr/bin/ [00:02] In Studio... but that would not help with someone trying to get help in another flavour :) [00:02] I mean, we could have it tell the user in here: To help us further assess your audio problem, please type this into a terminal (minus the quotes), and !paste the output to https://paste.ubuntu.com: "cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh" [00:02] So, maybe something like !ubuntustudio-adevices [00:02] sure [00:03] Ok [00:03] !ubuntustudio-adevices is To help us further assess your audio problem, please type this into a terminal (minus the quotes), and !paste the output to https://paste.ubuntu.com: "cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh" [00:04] Ok, I'm sure someone like hggdh will get on that. [00:04] Note, it does rely on jackaudio.org being alive ... [00:05] Hehe... [00:06] Nothing like wget erroring out with a 404. [00:06] And I was wrong, it does not give the user who is using a device, does give the process name and PID [00:06] mine says: used by: jackdbus (PID 1564) [00:08] Eickmeyer: A lot of my code came from that file. [00:08] Nice. [00:09] I'd run it, but I'm (ashamedly) on a Windows box at the moment. [00:09] it would probably have difficulty running there [00:09] Haha! You think? XD [00:11] * OvenWerks own perspective is that native windows applications are in the same boat... [00:27] OvenWerks: wxl came up with this idea for it: To help us further assess your audio problem, please type this into a terminal (minus the quotes): "cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh | pastebinit" [00:29] !ubuntustudio-adevices is To help us further assess your audio problem, please type this into a terminal (minus the quotes): "cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh | pastebinit" [00:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ymk8SJd5qH/ [00:31] It works! [00:31] That seems to work. Unfortunately, I can just copy paste the whole thing, I have to copy paste each line separately [00:31] *cant [00:31] That's odd. Why? [00:31] So the " part is needed.type" [00:32] It may be because I am using a text only irc client. [00:33] Runs from a terminal? That might be why. [00:33] irssi is my client. [00:33] Ah, yes. That's why. [00:38] anyway, it works [00:38] Yep. [01:16] Hi! I'm using a Philips "smart-TV" (not so smart anymore..) as monitor and to play music from. 58". '*Ubuntu Studio 19,04. And the sound settings are "Build in Audio" in the regular sound settings menu under "configuration" I set it to "Digital Surround 5.1" (HDMI) Output" because I find that the most pleasant sound. Still not satisfied, I know the TV has capable sound.. Then I find in Audacios player an Equalizer but I'm having [01:16] trouble adjusting it properly. What is the Ideal settings there? ...all is set to 0 now. Any ideas? I play all from Classical to modern music.. [01:17] ..sorry for long post but I find it better than posting 10 times... [01:23] wow, Thr0r I am assuming that the source material is stereo? [01:24] So pulse has to convert stereo to surround in some way. [01:24] it may not do so in the very best way. [01:25] While audacious may have eq I do not know if it does anything more than eq left and right front if that is all it is sending to pulseaudio. [01:26] Yes - Stereo - It's ordinary CD's and the laptop is Asus X53Z [01:27] so it would seem that the conversion to 5.1 is less than wonderful. [01:29] I do not know how pulse does that and not having anything more than stereo equipment I can't experiment either. [01:31] I think there is a #pulse or #pulseaudio irc channel where they should at least be able to tell you what pulse does in your situation. Does Pulse tell the app that the output is 6 channel, or does it do all it's own conversion? Can audacious convert to 5.1? I don't know. [01:34] It's not wonderful - but I don't understand all this. I regret giving away my Pioneer home theater stereo with all kinds of connections - Optical and all.. Sound was great from PC.. [01:41] Ok - do you think it is better to use the old audio cable (Sound in/out) than HDMI? That's what I used on my old Pioneer stereo.. [01:41] If you are starting with stereo content, converting it to 5.1 is not easy. I don't know if there are standard ways of doing so or what they might be. [01:42] digital hsould be fine. It seems to be the conversion process from 2 to 6 channels. [01:42] can you set your hdmi to stereo out? does it sound any better? [01:44] Well - Yes. It sounds different, but not better... [01:46] I guess there is not answer to this either. I will have to experiment - and maybe buy myself one of these new wireless speakers.. [01:47] I wonder if the audio is being forced to be 48k and the src is not very good [01:48] for sure I am probably not much help in this case [01:49] Thr0r: does this page help at all? https://lichtmetzger.de/en/2014/04/22/better-stereo-to-5-1-upmix-on-linux-alsa-asoundrc/ [01:50] Yeah - It's an old laptop aswell. Maybe I'm asking for miracles here. You are always helpful - It's just me wondering about too much. I have more Q's to come :) [01:50] I'll have a look at that [01:56] When I listen to ie "Blood, Sweat & Tears - Spinning Wheel" - it doesn't give me the kick it used to with this sound. Surely not Ubuntu studio's fault - but I would like to get it better and I like experimenting. [01:57] my guess is that with only the left and right speakers working and no sub there would be less kick. [01:58] yes.. [02:11] I have 2 questions more for tonight - are you up for it or are you all busy? [02:18] I have 4 workspaces on my ubuntu. Is there a way to display all 4 at the same time on one monitor? I have a 58" monitor and I want to see all workspaces in a "split view". I got an answer from a nick "TJ-" or something but did not help much. -" He/She suggested to have a look at "apt list '*wm' "? [02:22] I do not think that is possible, at least not with xfce. However, just using one workspace and sizing the windows to fit would seem to do the same thing. Depending on your monitor resolution... [02:22] you could set the default text size smaller if needed. [02:28] Yes - sure - but that's the old days - lots of windows in one place. When there is workspaces in linux I don't really see the problem showiing them all at once in one screen.. They would have to some kind of minimized of course but you could see what is happening in each of them and then switch to the one you want.. [03:52] Power management Ubuntu Studio 19,04: There are only 3 options in "Lid closed" - Switch off display, Suspend, Lock Screen. I want a "Do nothing". So when I close the lid of laptop it acts like before and I don't have to login again or anything. I put my laptop away and use a wireless keybord, mouse and a TV as monitor. Is this a request/Requirement I have to file somewhere? This option was available in Win7. [03:55] Thr0r: "Switch off display" is the closest thing you're going to get there, which is the same as "do nothing" except it simply turns off your display's backlight. [03:56] (which your display likely does anyhow under Win7). [04:13] "Switch off display" does what it says yes - but it also switches off my external display - TV monitor. It might have to do with that monitor being connected using HDMI and not VGA plug? I did not have this problem in Win7 but back then I used VGA plug probably.. [04:19] I should maybe ask this in #Ubuntu channel - probably the same on all? [04:34] Thr0r: that will be xfce specific. [04:35] While I can think of a way around it... it is not easy [04:40] The lid close signal likely goes through one of the /dev/input/event* files [04:42] so it should be possible to make a program that grabs the lid close signal and forgets it :) [04:43] who knows maybe it is possible to use the lid close as a desktop shortcut. [04:48] Ok - It is kind of irritating if I or someone else closes the lid a little to much - everything shuts off, Sound and all since it goes thru HDMI. This should be an option today when more and more use HDMI or other stuff.. wireless things. I think this should be a choice on the power saving options. But If you have a short-term solution - give it to me. You could maybe give input to the "developers" :) [04:50] I think it should be an option as well. If you want things like that to change you might ask on #xubuntu. some of the xfce devs stop by once in a while and may have a better solution [04:52] Ok - Will do. As I often say , It's always those "little things".. [04:55] Thr0r: can you paste ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml? [04:56] I don't have a lid switch, but maybe changing the value for that in this file will do what you want. [04:58] ie, just because the gui doesn't offer none may not mean it can't be set that way [05:15] Just pasted it : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SXfrmfcBkx/ [05:20] huh, even more confused :) [05:22] Oh? why? [05:22] I've contacted #xubuntu now [05:23] I'm looking at my son's laptop now. [05:30] It appears that lid switch does not have a signal and instead it is used as sleep [05:34] Oh ok.. This is a workaround from #Xubuntu: "you need to file a bug but as a temporary workaround you have 2 options: 1) use a different power manager 2) try logind.conf and ignorelidaction." [05:40] Sleep is probably the "normal" thing to do when a lid closes - but When I am using an external Display (HDMI) it's kind of irritating and should not happen.. [05:42] oh I agree wanting to work with the lid closed makes sense [05:42] like when docking [05:43] Kind of - I just have a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse on my desk - the laptop is stored away [05:45] The thing is when I look at "other" power managers the package description " Its philosophy is to completely hide these complex tasks and only show some settings important to the user." doesn't give me much hope [05:46] #Xubuntu says : "Power Manager 1.4.4 has "do nothing" option." As I can see The Power Manager 1.6.1 which is in Studio has not.... [05:46] (the above is from the mate power manager, but gnome and others say the same [05:47] I have power manager 1.4.4 here and there is no "do nothing" option here [05:50] ok - So someone is not telling to whole story then.... [05:51] they may not know... or there may be a hw thing here [05:51] ..and you actually have lid also? ..no desktop but laptop? [05:52] this machine is a laptop [05:52] ok [05:52] I login to my irc through another machine so my nick stays put [05:53] This my son's machine. the machine downstairs is a desktop [05:56] OK - It is strange that one has to spend time on these kind of issues that should just work all the time - it's 2019.. I have much work to do other than being bothered with Operating systems. DOS, Os/2, Unix, Linux - Done them all but all have faults.. [05:56] + windows [06:10] ..Something just closed my whole IRC session here - so all written in here is lost. But thanks for your help === mintyed2 is now known as mintyed === mintyed is now known as HiDeHo === HiDeHo is now known as Guest47619 === Guest47619 is now known as HiDeHo [14:57] Eickmeyer, hi [14:57] do you use ubuntu studio yourself [14:57] HiDeHo: Hi! [14:57] Yes. [14:57] cool [14:57] I lead this here project. :) [14:57] i am usually using linux mint [14:57] or puppy linux on my other pc [14:58] just found thsi laptop with us 16.04 on it [14:58] forgot i had it [14:58] BTW, we have #ubuntustudio-offtopic for non-support stuff. [14:58] Eickmeyer, what DAW does studio have appart from audacity [14:59] i see [14:59] you think i should go there [14:59] Audacity, IMO, isn't really a DAW. Ardour is probably the best, IMO. [14:59] atm [14:59] cool [14:59] HiDeHo: Nah, you're asking Studio questions. [14:59] cool [14:59] i wish there was a linux mint studio but there is not [15:00] OvenWerks, one of our developers (also in here), is also an Ardour dev. [15:00] Eickmeyer, i used to have a macbook pro several years ago so daw was garageband [15:00] Yeah, the stuff we do isn't really within Mint's scope. [15:00] since then i have had older laptops that canr run daw that well [15:00] Yep, same, garageband. [15:01] i miss my macbook pro that got stolen [15:01] The nice thing about Ardour is it's cross-platform and I know of two projects that derive from it: Harrison Mixbus and Waves TracksLive. [15:01] so i have been using audacity in the meantime [15:01] cool [15:01] In TracksLive's case, it's derirved from Ardour 4, and is only meant for multitrack recording. [15:02] does Ardour have drums, instruments, wirk with midi keyboard etc like garageband [15:02] But, if you like the rich analog sound, Harrison Mixbus is the way to go for post-production. [15:02] Ardour doesn't ship those by default HiDeHo [15:02] afaik [15:03] Eickmeyer, Audacity does multitrack recording too [15:03] Well, Ardour utilizes several audio plugin formats, which are all included in Ubuntu Studio, so it's capable. [15:03] what kind of daw is it then [15:03] daw should have all that built in [15:03] http://ardour.org/ [15:03] M_aD: It does MIDI recording. [15:03] after all that is what a daw is meant to be for [15:04] Eickmeyer: roger that [15:04] so i cant record my guitar [15:04] HiDeHo: There's also QTractor that does MIDI tracking reallyl well. [15:04] HiDeHo: It can record live. [15:05] ubuntu studio failed source file cant be read [15:05] what the [15:05] * Eickmeyer has to jet to get his son ready for school/himself ready to take the body to the bus stop [15:05] HiDeHo: ? [15:05] thats 18.04 [15:05] just message that flashed up [15:05] HiDeHo: Is that trying to download or upgrade?? [15:05] will try again [15:05] never upgrade ubuntu its not designed to [15:05] HiDeHo: That's not true. [15:05] its always best to download and reinstall [15:06] HiDeHo: That's Mint. Ubuntu is designed to go from LTS to LTS. [15:06] even debian rolling release os does dot do a full reinstall of new os [15:06] it rolls over too much old stuff [15:06] That's Debian. Ubuntu is different. [15:06] HiDeHo: Okay, so you're trying to download the ISO from ubuntustudio.org/download? [15:06] Eickmeyer, ubuntu is not a rolling release [15:07] i know that [15:07] because it is not rolling never do internal updats [15:07] always install new [15:07] I upgrade, no problems, but I also go latest-latest. [15:07] That's why the "do-release-upgrade" tool exists. [15:08] trying the download again [15:08] Eickmeyer, with internal upgrade do you get the exact same os as a new full install [15:09] the do-release one [15:09] Yes, but it doesn't remove anything already installed, and it leaves all of your configuration intact. [15:09] i just prefer lts [15:10] LTS, by default only goes to LTS with do-release-upgrade. [15:10] so what if app versions are newer in the next lts [15:10] then it will leave the previous installed version?? [15:10] they get upgraded [15:11] HiDeHo: Not an exhaustive list, but the release notes has some items: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio [15:12] so if it does not remove everything installed then if certian apps and stuff was removed from the next lts then it will be left? [15:12] Then the Backports PPA gives you even newer items. [15:12] Eickmeyer, ok thanks if you have to go its ok [15:12] HiDeHo: There's very little difference between 16.04 and 18.04 in terms of installed apps since that was during the 2-years of zero development for Ubuntu Studio. [15:13] why is that [15:13] so whats the best idea for me continue the download and new install or use do-upgrade [15:13] Long, long story, but basically the lead at the time couldn't dedicate time and the only archive uploader at the time quit abruptly. [15:14] Eickmeyer, was that before you took the roll [15:14] HiDeHo: That's up to you. If you're more comfortable, go with what I call "nuke/pave" which is when you destroy what you have and install brand-new. [15:15] thats what i am used to doing as i did not do much with this pc as it had problems which seem to be fixed now [15:15] HiDeHo: And, yes, that was before I jumped-in. That happened March 2018 when I joined and got things moving again. [15:15] cool [15:15] thanks so much [15:16] Eickmeyer, you said you had to jet /go [15:16] and your still here [15:16] its all ok [15:16] he's always logged in [15:16] like me [15:16] around 19 min to download [15:16] Audacity is not a daw [15:17] Ardour is a daw, qtracktor is a tracker that will work as a daw [15:17] Audacity records multi tracks from interface, mic etc [15:17] thats all [15:17] Audacity is an audio editor [15:18] It can record also, but over tracking will not be lined up [15:18] OvenWerks, an audio recorder and editor actually [15:18] they are different tools for different tasks [15:18] yes [15:19] ubuntu studio 18.94 64bit has failed 3 times to download [15:19] ardour does come with a generic set of plugins, one of which is a-fluidsynth. Studio has a reasonably good GM fs2 included. [15:19] how are you downloading it? [15:20] i am trying to download 18.04 lts yes [15:20] grab the torrent instead [15:20] the first time it gave a message saying the source file could not be red [15:21] na i bet there will be hardly anyone people torrenting [15:21] yeah either torrent or I use zsync [15:21] so it wont download fast if at all [15:21] no other torrenters = no download [15:21] HiDeHo: nope, pretty much people are seeding it [15:21] * HiDeHo tryes torrent option [15:21] oh ok cool [15:21] its active [15:22] first try then judge :P [15:23] how do you guys find US for music recording hobiest like me [15:23] yea i know [15:23] well... none of us are exactly like you... [15:24] i am just asking what its like [15:24] For example, I generally record only analog inputs and no synths or midi. [15:24] Ardour is a lot like protools [15:25] i have a need to do a multi-window video of me playing bass, guitar, ukulele etc in a track. [15:25] if you have used one the other will make sense [15:25] OvenWerks, my only daw experience has been garageband when i had macbook pro [15:25] I would sugest blender [15:26] OvenWerks, blender is that a video editing tool [15:26] blender alows good video editing. [15:26] it can also sync to jack and therefore ardour [15:26] cool so i can do multi window and merge videos etc [15:26] I would think so.but blender has a high learning curve [15:27] so can i record the video in blender and record the sound in ardour [15:27] record and mix etc [15:27] oh ok [15:27] for anything video you will need both audio tools and video tools [15:27] i just wnat something quick and easy to do a basic recording [15:28] kdenlive is supposed to be quite good too. [15:28] if not i will just either try to see what ardour can do and do audio only uploading to sound cloud [15:29] i have submitted a song i wrote to some people who are printing a song book, they liked my song so they are going to use it. i did a basic video on youtube so they could hear it [15:30] OvenWerks, what DE does US have by default [15:30] xfce [15:30] woohoo thats my fave DE [15:30] lightweight, but modern enough to have everything in it [15:31] simple, light, clean, works. can bling it out and make if fancy if you want but why when its so efficient by default [15:31] exactly [15:31] * M_aD remembers US using Gnome 2 way back :) [15:32] transmission is not showing the download speed and progress [15:32] just % of download [15:32] Studio switched to xfce when gnome 3 came out and would not run on many people's hardware [15:33] gnome 3 ad unity are bloated [15:33] yep, with 11.10 iirc [15:33] with mint i always used xfce [15:33] gnome session is still a pain in my opinion... [15:33] agreed [15:33] the best DE is and will always be gnome 2 [15:33] was [15:34] lol [15:34] FVWM [15:34] gnome 2 doesn't exist anymore [15:34] well yes it does as a fork. [15:34] linux mint forked gnome 2 which is Mate DE [15:35] i know [15:35] right [15:35] linux mint worked hard to make the cinnamon DE indeopendant of Gnome 3 [15:35] HiDeHo: Mint didn't fork it, Mate was forked by another guy [15:35] when gnome 2 eol i switched to xfce [15:35] ok [15:36] yea mint made cinnamon DE [15:36] yep [15:36] but we're going way offtopic here [15:37] the best os i ever used was ubuntu 8.04 and the Mint 9 that was built on ubuntu 8.04 [15:37] oh sorry [15:37] so i am [15:37] i wish bit torent showed more of the download speed etc [15:37] its annoying [15:37] just join #ubuntustudio-offtopic for non US related stuff :) [15:38] its been sitting on 29% for 10-15 mins [15:38] yea ok [15:38] you guys are ok here [15:38] i am so going to like trying out US and see how it is for my music production needs [15:39] i always wanted to try it out but this laptop was giving issues when i set it up. i took out ram tried different chip and have 3gb running atm [15:40] how do you guys use US [15:41] * OvenWerks has developers disese... once started developing... no time for music :P [15:42] lol [15:43] i want to get into recording my songs i have written. if the recording are nice then i want to put them out online spotify, itunes, etc [15:43] i do nothing with it actually at the moment, besides internet related things, watch a movie and listen to music [15:43] yea ok [15:43] cool [15:44] i wish kody had more local content for my country [15:44] kody is a great app [15:44] however, i made a demo or two once, sample based and played the pads/synths myself [15:45] cool what instrument(s) do you play. i play guitar, bass, ukulele, keyboard/piano, harmonica, kazoo, percussion, recorder i used to play saxophone and clarinet, when at school [15:46] oops this is more off topic [15:46] https://soundcloud.com/maik-ad/demoechoes --> royalty free samples and the rest is done with Zynaddsubfx, Adour, LMMS. [15:47] done in Ubuntu Studio [15:47] https://soundcloud.com/maik-ad/demo-new-track [15:47] never finished them though [15:48] Creativity Chat is allowed per the /topic. [15:48] cool thats nice [15:48] lol [15:48] well you have to make time to do it there is 24 hours in a day and its how you choose to use your time given [15:48] * Eickmeyer is an audio engineer and records/mixes others using Ubuntu Studio along with providing live effects [15:49] i have too much free time and i need to be more efficient with it [15:49] cool [15:49] so you are a professional using ubuntu studio cool [15:49] Here's a band that uses Ubuntu Studio and Github to make their music: https://www.lorenzosmusic.com/ [15:50] They interviewed me for their podcast and were featured in Forbes (as was I after they interviewed me) [15:50] HiDeHo: there's one track on my profile that has been made with Logic Pro Express years ago on a old iMac. The rest of the songs have been made on a Playstation One and 2. [15:50] i hope this old pc can handle US 18.04 [15:50] HiDeHo: Based on the specs you have, it should have no problem. [15:51] another 20min and still 29% download why transmission does not have download speed showing i dont know [15:51] wow playstation had DAW [15:52] i guess it also depends on your internet connection, download speed [15:52] also transmission does not show how many are seeding etc [15:52] it does too [15:52] i am certian transmission used to show that [15:52] nah, PS one had music creator and the PS two MTV's Music Generator [15:53] no real DAWs [15:53] ah music production games [15:54] are you german or something M_aD [15:55] from origin yes [15:55] your sound cloud music has german or duch news when its finished [15:55] lol [15:56] i used a adblocker so don't hear it [15:57] interesting sopftware updater has popped up in my studio 16.04 os [15:57] it has an update for ubuntu studio base [15:58] is that the bass os update for 18.04 [15:58] during install you can dl updates but it doesn't install them till after [15:58] i mush not have adblocker installed atm [15:58] 18.04 is over a year old and so there are a number of updates. [15:58] i am still trying to download 18.04 [15:59] ok.. [15:59] transmission is not a good torrent client if it cant show people seeding and download speed. [15:59] i dont know how things are going atm [16:00] !hwe HiDeHo: If you have hardware issues after installing, aside from the backports PPA, I recommend this [16:00] Eickmeyer: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:00] guess i will have to leave my laptop on overnight [16:00] er... [16:00] !hwe | HiDeHo: If you have hardware issues after installing, aside from the backports PPA, I recommend this [16:00] HiDeHo: If you have hardware issues after installing, aside from the backports PPA, I recommend this: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [16:00] HiDeHo: with transmision did you try right click on the download and select properties? [16:01] no [16:02] there is no right click menu [16:02] actually, the download bar should have time remaining and downloading from n peers followed by dl speed and upload speed [16:03] well it does not [16:03] does here. [16:04] transmission 2.92 [16:04] http://i.imgur.com/ZniT4qq.png [16:04] see [16:06] http://imgur.com/40NBkNJl.png [16:07] thats what I have [16:11] HiDeHo: which version of transmission? [16:17] Is there and admin on? [16:19] MondoCane: Define "admin" [16:21] Hey. don't mean to bother you. Just looking for someone that can help with my nick === mintyed2 is now known as HiDeHo [16:21] I'm having trouble registering my nick with freenode. I'm registered with Ubuntu One as Mondo. But, Freenode keeps telling me my nick is not registered and when I try to register is says that the email is in use. So, I asked for a password reset and I'm not getting the email. [16:21] !register | MondoCane [16:21] MondoCane: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. [16:22] there's nobody on in #freenode [16:22] Yes there is. Just be patient, someoene will get to you. [16:23] hi [16:23] again [16:23] HiDeHo: Hi! [16:23] OK. Thanks. [16:23] software manager is asking me to upgrade to 18.04 [16:23] pc froze [16:23] HiDeHo: :/ [16:23] Eickmeyer, the direct download is not working [16:24] for 18.04 [16:24] ubottu, I've gone through that (and failed). Seems that my nick on One is not usable on freenode (?) [16:24] MondoCane: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:25] MondoCane: Nobody in here can help with that. #freenode is your only option... and they left. [16:25] HiDeHo: You can try directly from the horse's mouth: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/18.04/release/ [16:26] i am using torrent [16:26] Yeah, I saw. I read the backlog between you, M_aD, and OvenWerks. [16:26] cool [16:27] thankfully when i had to reboot bittorrent had saved [16:27] so i continued [16:27] hpe that wil work ok adn not cause issues [16:27] HiDeHo: Cool. Out of curiosity (and if I can find a mirror close to you), where are you located? [16:28] New Zealand [16:28] there is a ubuntu server in my country or Australia [16:29] Ah, getting late for you (or early, depending on your definition). [16:29] lol yes [16:29] i have 43% of download now [16:30] oh my is that really the time. i gtg get some sleep [16:30] shesh [16:30] i did it again lol [16:30] go lost in my pc and trying to get ubuntu studio. [16:31] Eickmeyer, software manager said i can upgrade to ubuntu 18.04 internally [16:31] HiDeHo: I do it all the time. My wife has become pretty good at pulling me away so I don't get stuck. [16:31] its that or download from fresh [16:31] HiDeHo: No, that's basically the same as "do-release-upgrade". [16:31] lol i am a bachelor [16:31] live by myself [16:32] yes i thought it was that [16:32]