[00:28] <tacomaster> Should I be using apt or apt-get to install new software?
[00:29] <sarnold> both are fine; apt upgrade's behaviour is the perfect mixture of apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, so I recommend using apt upgrade instead.. but really, my fingers learned apt-get twenty years ago, it's hard to learn to type just apt
[01:10] <munchausen> Hi. I just lost power on my laptop during an apt-get upgrade. After rebooting everything works and Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-arm/Packages' as repository 'http://winswitch.org bionic InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'arm'
[01:10] <munchausen> Argh sorry
[01:11] <munchausen> I lost power on my laptop during apt-get upgrade. After rebooting all is ok and dpkg doesn't want to finish configuring anything. But apt-get update gives a bunch of errors saying that repos dont support the architecture arm
[01:11] <munchausen> I am very confused, as I am on an x64 machine
[01:11] <munchausen> I checked my sources.list and one entry has [arch=arm] against it (mysteriously). I removed that but it did not change anything
[01:12] <munchausen> Can anyone point me to a reason why apt thinks I want arm packages?
[01:17] <muniter> Hello everyone. I'm running libvirt, with my VMS using a bridge adapter. I'm having a problem. To allow proper routing I net to disable ntefilter, Ideally I would just write the settings in /etc/sysctl.conf, and so I did, but every time I rebooted It wasn't working, and I had to manually run sysctl -p.
[01:18] <guiverc> munchausen, i can't see how power-loss would cause a change in a file that is only read; so I'd boot a 'live' system and `fsck` your disk/sdd/..
[01:18] <muniter> And I just read an article and confirmed the reason is, that my bridge isn't up before sysctl -p is ran at boot.
[01:18] <muniter> Therefore so far I have to run sysctl -P every time i reboot my computer
[01:19] <coz_> reinstall ?
[01:19] <muniter> I'm running 19.04
[01:21] <munchausen> guiverc I've just been checking the apt logs, and it was updating apt-utils and apt-transport-https
[01:22] <munchausen> It had not yet configured apt-utils, but dpkg-reconfigure apt-utils has not helped
[01:23] <munchausen> guiverc I'd have thought that fsck would have been run on boot anyway due to the rootfs not being unmounted
[01:24] <guiverc> munchausen, you'd hope it would, but power-loss may have left it in an state it didn't recognize as needing it; so I always `fsck` manually on theory better safe-than-sorry
[01:27] <munchausen> guiverc yeah ok "Last checked:             Sat Oct 27 21:37:03 2018
[01:28] <munchausen> brb then
[01:31] <eraserpencil> hi! I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 with an i3wm. Cant figure out which process turns off my pulseaudio each time i start from boot. How can i trace it?
[01:50] <wings> who is able to edit this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/CloudArchive
[01:51] <wings> ah never mind all good
[01:52] <munchausen> So somehow arm was list as an architecture under "apt-config dump"
[01:52] <munchausen> "dpkg --remove-architecture arm" has resolved the issue
[01:53] <OerHeks> 'somehow' ?
[02:04] <cncr04s> how do I upgrade my mdadm, on the livecd its 3.3 and on my install its at 3.2.5
[02:08] <munchausen> OerHecks well power was lost while upgrading apt-utils, libapt-pkg, apt, and apt-transport-https. I can only assume a configuration issue occurred that led apt to enable the arm architecture. I have no idea of the exact mechanism
[02:12] <munchausen> I did not at any time add the arm architecture. And just before apt-get upgrade was executed (which did not finish due to power loss) apt-get update was executed and did not report that "repository does not support architecture arm". Rebooting after power loss this was reported for most if not all repos
[02:13] <munchausen> So 'somehow' is as pretty much as mysterious to me as it is to you
[03:00] <cncr04s> is there anything wrong with 4.2.0's raid support?
[03:00] <cncr04s> i'm at my wits end
[03:00] <cncr04s> ive tried everything to get this raid to boot
[03:01] <cncr04s> last thing I'm going to try is to copy the partition onto a non raid drive
[03:02] <cncr04s> i put /boot on a seperate drive, it still won't mount the array as /  mounts fine in a livecd recovery mode though
[03:06] <cncr04s> what its doing somehow is trying to mount one of the raid1's drives while its in an array, and well, that doesnt work. Ends up triggering a resync. grub and initramfs are all correct as I can tell, its set to use the array as / and this time the non raid drive as /boot
[03:18] <andrej> I'm trying to set my systems locale to C.UTF-8 by "locale-gen C.UTF-8", but am getting a message that "Error: 'C.UTF-8' is not a supported language or locale" even though it's being offered up in "locale-gen C.UTF-8". How do I get this to behave itself?
[03:21] <eraserpencil> how are you setting you locale at the moment?
[03:25] <devslash> is it possible to pair galaxy buds with ubuntu?
[03:26] <Sveta> devslash, why not?
[03:26] <devslash> i cant get ubuntu to discover them
[03:54] <kinghat> should non OS, internal drives, be owned by root or user?
[04:00] <Bashing-om> kinghat: While the device is owned by root - it is up to you who owns the files and directories in the file system. Generally for "you" to have ownership. set that at the mountpoint.
[04:01] <kinghat> i just changed the drive ownership to myself and that didnt make a difference.
[04:01] <kinghat> well my drive is showing up as a removable device rather than internal drive
[04:12] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Well, where and how are you setting the mount point ?
[04:12] <kinghat> i dont think i can go any further. im on kde neon.
[04:13] <OerHeks> when not mounted in fstab under /mnt/, yes it is removable /media/
[04:17] <kinghat> i have another SSD that is not OS and it mounts w/o fstab and not removable just fine.
[04:21] <Bashing-om> kinghat: We can not offer support for Neon.
[04:21] <kinghat> ya i know
[04:41] <archuserau> Anyone else had issues with an iMac running ATI GPU?
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: elaborate 'issues' please?
[05:04] <archuserau> lotuspsychje: GPU Drivers that dont work with the built in screen. They work fine with an external monitor though
[05:04] <archuserau> Unless i use nomodeset in kernel options
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: are you currently at this imac?
[05:04] <archuserau> Yes
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: could you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && lsb_release -a
[05:05] <archuserau> Give me a few minutes.
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> sure
[05:06] <archuserau> Do you know a way to make programs start on the secondary display?
[05:09] <archuserau> I have a monitor connected but all i can see on it is a mouse pointer. I cannot even right click or anything.
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: try to get in your system with !nomodeset
[05:15] <archuserau> I cannot even edit grub when it boots. Would those details from a live usb be helpful?
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: well the live has an older kernel, so best to try to debug on your real install
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: can you see anything on your mac screen?
[05:17] <archuserau> Nope Its just black. WhenI boot it with the other monitor attached I get some really thing green lines scrolling down the screen.
[05:18] <archuserau> It will only boot from the usb if i use the failsafe mode.
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: wich ubuntu version is that?
[05:19] <archuserau> 19.04
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: try a 18.04.2 iso or a 16.04 as a test please
[05:19] <archuserau> ok
[05:19] <archuserau> one sec
[05:20] <archuserau> I had a 12.04 iso and that worked.
[05:21] <archuserau> Downloading 16.04 now
[05:22] <airwind> Yo, I'm telling you, you ubuntu devs need to remove Firefox from unattended-upgrades. This is so annoying as it auto updates in mid-work and suddenly all the tabs stop working. Happened to me like 5 times in the past 2 months times the number of computers I own.
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: could be 19.04 kernel that doesnt like your graphics or so
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> airwind: this is not the complain channel, if you have a suggest, please use a !bug wishlist
[05:24] <archuserau> I know 18.04 doesnt work. Will try the 16.04
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: did you try recently? or recall wich kernel 4.15 or 4.18 hwe?
[05:25] <archuserau> I dont recall.
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> ok np
[05:25] <archuserau> It was recently though
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: then it will be 4.18 on current iso
[05:25] <archuserau> I think it is a GPU driver problem. But the official AMD driver no longer supports this card.
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: normally ubuntu tries to load the best driver, but in some cases it might indeed fail
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: wich mac model is this?
[05:26] <archuserau> I think it is a 2009 imac 27 inch.
[05:27] <archuserau> I have found a few other report of the same issue on the internet but cannot see a solution anywhere.
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> hmm.. that pretty weird, cause i tested alot of mac succesfully with 18.04 archuserau
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> including 2009 and 2011 moels
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> models
[05:27] <archuserau> It is driving me crazy. Such a nice screen it is wasted if i am stuck with nomodeset
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: you say you can reach desktop on a live, with nomodeset?
[05:28] <pihahiroth> https://0bin.net/paste/GJhR5EiALzFg0rBP#dGvxr3WyycXm81302hOO5k4ivnUbWu-r05NKc3VyPXP
[05:28] <pihahiroth> anyone seen this with latest kernel update?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> pihahiroth: do you have external ppa's added to your system?
[05:29] <archuserau> Yes lotuspsychje
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: if 16.04 doesnt work, we could try debug a bit from a 18.04.2 live perhaps
[05:29] <archuserau> Ok.
[05:29] <pihahiroth> lotuspsychje: negative
[05:29] <archuserau> I am juwst writing to usb stick now
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> pihahiroth: could you pastebin the whole apt output that caused that please?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: allrighty, good luck
[05:30] <archuserau> lotuspsychje: Thanks.
[05:31] <archuserau> I was thinking i might try openbsd with it if i cant get it to work under linux
[05:31] <pihahiroth> lotuspsychje: https://0bin.net/paste/FJ4UvQyB8fmVqeo+#C7wtkom6gy2wHPjoiXxOgCMuHFzf0GpzTS4TXlSZx5j
[05:32] <pihahiroth> going to hop to another instance and try it to see if it is isolated to this one
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> pihahiroth: thats a pretty weird behaviour indeed, hmm
[05:34] <plongshot> I'm struggling with writing a few aliases. When I do $ source .bashrc  after updating the file with my new aliases the output indicates that source thinks it's a command and when it doesn't find out produces the error.   Here is the aliases pasted the way they are now. I've tried servceral variations that  can be seen here: https://pastebin.com/cd8Xh23n  any guidance woutd be greately appreciated. Ty
[05:35] <pihahiroth> lotuspsychje: yep, its isolated to that instance, so something is borked, other instances are fine
[05:35] <pihahiroth> probably just need to respawn it and move on
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> pihahiroth: is your /boot full or something?
[05:35] <pihahiroth> nope
[05:36] <pihahiroth> checked that first
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> pihahiroth: maybe you can try clean out things with bleachbit, then try again
[05:37] <pihahiroth> actually, may have just found it, the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions is indeed scrambled
[05:37] <pihahiroth> going to copy it from another instance
[05:38] <archuserau> lotuspsychje: ok i got it booted up. I am using 16.04 with the external monitor. Will this do for trouble shooting?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: if you can access a terminal in there sure
[05:38] <archuserau> I can. What was that command you wanted me to run again?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && lsb_release -a
[05:40] <archuserau> https://bpaste.net/show/5f47dba7535f
[05:40] <archuserau> There you go
[05:44] <OerHeks> Setting up linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-51-generic (4.15.0-51.55)
[05:44] <OerHeks> and 2 lines on .. Setting up linux-headers-generic (4.15.0.51.53)
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: radeon driver seems loaded, but seems like an older card to me
[05:44] <archuserau> It is older. But I would not have thought the linux kernel would just drop support?
[05:44] <OerHeks> some wonky version mismatch
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: drivers lists gets updated & cleaned out to move on
[05:45] <archuserau> lotuspsychje: Is there a way to activate the old ones again
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: maybe you could try something lightweight like xubuntu or lubuntu
[05:46] <archuserau> I might just give openbsd a try. They would use different drivers right?
[05:47] <ducasse> archuserau: *if* the drivers have dropped support for your card (and that's a big if), you basically need to run older software to get it going again
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: actually a 2009 mac, i would consider creating a !bug
[05:48] <ducasse> archuserau: which release are you on?
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: he tryed 19.04 18.04 and 16.04
[05:48] <archuserau> I was on 19.04 but i installed it from the usb in safe mode and then it would not boot.
[05:49] <archuserau> I have tried lots of distro. It does boot it just doesnt display anything on the built in screen.
[05:49] <ducasse> archuserau: i would try 14.04 (even though it's eol) to verify if it's a problem of dropped support
[05:49] <archuserau> https://askubuntu.com/questions/990858/imac-how-to-make-ubuntu-work-properly-with-imac-graphics-card
[05:49] <ducasse> or something even older
[05:49] <archuserau> This seems to be the same issue.
[05:49] <archuserau> It works with 12.04
[05:50] <ducasse> ok, then that points to the driver being dropped :(
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: what about if he installed ubuntu-server and installed like a simple desktop, would that work?
[05:52] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: no, not if the problem is the driver
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> right
[05:52] <archuserau> It was working on archlinux with nomodeset but it was very slow. Couldnt even watch a youtube video
[05:53] <archuserau> I guess I need to figure out how to get OSX back on it after i nuked the HDD lol
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> archuserau: maybe like ducasse says, older version and pick a lubuntu or xubuntu, then just dont connect it to the internet due to security
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> ok bye
[05:54] <archuserau> Sorry. I accidently closed the window
[05:56] <ducasse> you could try one or more of the bsd's, as you suggested
[05:57] <archuserau> I am going to try openbsd. Shame there are no live usb for any of the bsds that i can find.
[06:00] <ducasse> sure, give that a shot
[06:00] <ducasse> there are also other linux distros built for older hardware
[06:01] <archuserau> ducasse: Could yo ugive me a few of their names?
[06:02] <ducasse> sorry, no, i really don't know which are any good, but i suggest you ask in ##linux
[06:03] <archuserau> THanks. I will :)
[06:03] <ducasse> ok, good luck, sorry i can't help
[06:05] <archuserau> Its ok. I think apple has done something to this GPU.
[06:05] <archuserau> I reckon if i had one in a windows pc it would work fine.
[06:26] <eraserpencil> hi! I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 with an i3wm. Cant figure out which process turns off my pulseaudio each time i start from boot. How can iace whatprocesses are causing it or turn it onby default?
[06:58] <plongshot> Can't get my varaiable to work. It's driving me nuts.  It's modeled (syntactically) like another, working variable. I get the following out put when running $ git $variable | ${variable} | $(variable)  :  "fatal: Failed to resolve 'initial-commit' as a valid ref."
[06:59] <EriC^^> plongshot: what are the contents of $variable
[06:59] <EriC^^> plongshot: did you try "$variable" ?
[06:59] <EriC^^> with the quotes
[07:05] <plongshot> EriC^^:   I made this to show you: https://pastebin.com/tdWpUUHB
[07:06] <plongshot> $ git "$initialcommit"
[07:06] <plongshot> git: 'tag -m 'Initial Commit' initial-commit' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
[07:08] <plongshot> I was having problems with a dash earlier. I had a dash in the variable name and everything was borked. I removed that and madeitoneword. Now the source command isn't puking up complaints when I run it on my file (.bashrc) but the use of it is not working.
[07:09] <plongshot> But a <tagname>  as used in git tag -m "commit message" tag-name   works fine when issued directly on the command line but will not work as a varialbe.
[07:09] <plongshot> (there is nothing agains using a dash in a tag name)
[07:11] <plongshot> echo ${readme}
[07:11] <plongshot> tag -m 'Readme File' readme
[07:11] <plongshot> shows looking correct. Same with the other two
[07:12] <vlt> Hello. I just upgraded to 18.04 LTS. What does "E: Package 'pdftk' has no installation candidate" mean? How to reinstall it?
[07:15] <plongshot> Is there no one who would help me get this solved?
[07:15] <plongshot> I'm sorry it's so dam funny to see someone screw up ths bad
[07:15] <plongshot> I need the thing
[07:17] <OerHeks> vlt, it was removed due to a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdftk/+bug/1764450  >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdftk/+bug/1757314
[07:17] <OerHeks> with some workarounds, manually installing stuf, or sudo snap install pdftk >> https://snapcraft.io/pdftk
[07:18] <ducasse> !info pdftk bionic
[07:18] <OerHeks> last one will give updates
[07:19] <plongshot> Why is it that when I show up with simple questions people don't always want to help? I've been using ubuntu and ocmint to irc for almost 10 years now and it has been somehting that bothers me (noticeable difference in how I'm responded to).   I need the variable to work. I don't have month or weeks to learn evryting about bash I'm asking for help here for the last several hours, some try to help but nothing is working.   Can somoen
[07:19] <plongshot> please post the correct way to do this?
[07:19] <ducasse> vlt: pdftk was removed from bionic, i do not recall why
[07:19] <plongshot> I need the thing and I don't have someowhere alse to go to get help
[07:20] <OerHeks> plongshot, meh, what a rant, i answered your questions before.. and if i do not know the answer .. so be it
[07:20] <OerHeks> !patience
[07:21] <dax> there's also #bash and #git
[07:21] <ducasse> plongshot: if you have a bash question, i suggest you take it to #bash
[07:21] <plongshot> OerHeks: There are 1263 other nicks on here beside me and you.  What I'm asking is not that difficult.  Noone has any problem helping one another as long as it isn't me I guess. Why would someone have to ask and beg and plead for hours hoping to get help with a simple example
[07:21] <plongshot> ????????
[07:22] <plongshot> You don't have to be rude OerHeks
[07:22] <plongshot> We been cool w/ each other before
[07:22] <plongshot> Why would someone be allowed to humiliate themself asking for help?
[07:23] <dax> plongshot: putting a bunch of metadiscussion into this channel is only gonna make it harder for you and others to get help. please don't.
[07:23] <vlt> OerHeks: Thank you.
[07:23] <dax> as we said already, there are also other channels you can ask for help with bash and/or git in, if this one is not helpful to you.
[07:24] <plongshot> nothing is gonna change people's attitude toward me. I get pissed. Real pissed. I SEE them helping each other with the same shit I ask about
[07:24] <plongshot> It is personal
[07:24] <plongshot> I don't matter?
[07:24] <dax> plongshot: drop it.
[07:24] <plongshot> I know the anwer to that
[07:25] <vlt> plongshot: If what you're asking is not that difficult you could be the one to answer it.
[07:27] <geirha> plongshot: Use functions or arrays instead. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/050
[07:37] <alazy> I'm trying to set up an apache web server on ubuntu 1st time. Nearly got it to work with dokuwiki in a vhost but the redirect from dir to dir/index.php isn't working. I have a DirectoryIndex directive. What gives? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vNVdmxgsQ5/
[07:41] <Zorbeltuss> After an update last night, my ubuntu 19.04 install won't boot and locks up even before I can reach grub to change kernel, does anyone have an idea of how to fix it
[07:43] <guiverc2> Zorbeltuss, if it dies before grub, i'd suspect hardware issue. i'd not try and boot your system, try to boot a 'live' system (eg. install media) and try and validate your hardware health (sdd, hdd, memory etc)
[07:43] <vlt> Zorbeltuss: I'd boot from a USB install media.
[07:43] <Zorbeltuss> I am on a live media currently
[07:43] <Zorbeltuss> it reports no issues
[07:45] <guiverc2> Zorbeltuss, did you validate memory (memtest), check smart status of drives etc?  validation of a system takes some time (how old is it?, should I do a cap-check? etc.. )  i'm not asking you these questions, more what I'd ask myself in your shoes
[07:51] <Zorbeltuss> smart status on the drive isn't availible to test (nvme samsung 960 pro and unless my settings on the hardware level got removed when changing to ubuntu it should have extra space allocated for switching or what it's called to reduce error rates), memtest is good, I'm on a ryzen system at a bit more than two years
[07:51] <guiverc2> Zorbeltuss, also go into bios/uefi & check settings all look good, that you didn't suffer a dead/battery-failure & settings are now wrong & trying to boot a non-existing device etc..
[07:54] <Zorbeltuss> I did, grub starts to load though so the wrong disk isn't the issue, I get a loading screen or a non updating character input sign terminal (not blinking) when trying to reach grub, also in both cases I get a frozen mouse pointer which is way earlier than it has been arriving during normal operations
[08:00] <ppf_> is there a way to save and restore volume and channel settings through pulse?
[08:01] <Zorbeltuss> I don't know is there? I am unfamiliar with pulse
[08:02] <Zorbeltuss> oh right, I am stupid sorry
[08:02] <Zorbeltuss> I was thinking you were answering me and I was thinking of snap >.<
[08:08] <Bluewolf> Good day, I am in the process of running a md5sum to verify the hash on my usb, but when I run the command in the terminal to check the hash on the usb drive I get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ttTQ3mdHc/
[08:09] <Bluewolf> Its something so simple and I don't know why its not going through, I'm following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[08:12] <ppf_> Bluewolf: the error is pretty clear though, isn't it? ;)
[08:13] <ppf_> also, are you certain you want sdc1 and not sdc?
[08:15] <Bluewolf> ppf_: My computer was telling me sdc1 - I might be doing strange things
[08:15] <ppf_> 'your computer'?
[08:15] <Bluewolf> ppf_: Yeah, not me :D
[08:15] <Zorbeltuss> tab to autocomplete?
[08:16] <ppf_> right ;P
[08:16] <Bluewolf> Its reading a flash drive that isn't there
[08:16] <blackflow> Bluewolf: you'll have to sudo that dd, you can't read from raw devices unless you're root
[08:16] <blackflow> but I think you wanted sdc yes, not sdc1
[08:17] <Bluewolf> blackflow: Alright let me give it a go quick
[08:19] <HiDeHo> Hi all whats a good music manager app for mp3, ogg, wma etc.
[08:20] <Bluewolf> blackflow: The command is running. You're not gonna believe me here, but when I open the 'Disks' manager - there is a ghost thumb drive reading as sdc, but I don't have any other drive in other than the one I'm running the md5sum
[08:20] <Bluewolf> In the manager it reads as sdc1
[08:21] <ppf_> sdc is the device, sdc1 is the first partition
[08:22] <Bluewolf> I've just installed Gparted to check whats going on - Seems I'm having another isse with thumb drives not allowing anything to be copied on or changed
[08:22] <blackflow> Bluewolf: what ppf_ said. however, you need the whole device if you want to compare with the ISO. iirc you might need to limit that dd to the exact number of bytes the ISO has, if the drive is bigger
[08:23] <Bluewolf> blackflow: Yeah I read that in the guide
[08:23] <Bluewolf> The command is running as we speak
[08:30] <Zorbeltuss> got smartmontools to report on my nvme drive, does anyone know hat arguments  are reasonalbe to get readable information for "nvmelog,N,Size" as in what should N and Size be?
[08:31] <Zorbeltuss> s/hat/any
[09:08] <HiDeHo> hi al what webcam app does Ubuntu come with.
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> !info cheese | HiDeHo
[09:09] <SwedeMike> HiDeHo: what do you mean by "webcam app"?
[09:10] <HiDeHo> SwedeMike, what is a webcam used for?
[09:12] <HiDeHo> a webcam is used for taking videos and photos of a user.
[09:12] <HiDeHo> i am not talking about video calling etc.
[09:13] <HiDeHo> lotuspsychje, thanks. cheese is usually my first app. though it has limited features.
[09:15] <Zorbeltuss> if recording for youtube or for streaming for a streaming service like twitch, obs should work but I've never used it with a webcam on either windows or linux
[09:25] <HiDeHo> Zorbeltuss, thanks
[09:26] <HiDeHo> i am looking for an app that can record and edit videos. atm i am installing cheese to record and kdenlive etc to edit.
[09:29] <diffy> Hi TJ,just had a look at the link you posted for the tuto for the fulldisk-encryption,looks awesome!!
[09:30] <diffy> will give it a try today!
[09:33] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo openshot is a pretty decent editor
[09:33] <cfhowlett> cinelerra is the super(over?)powered alternative
[09:33] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett, openshot is installed here by default
[09:34] <HiDeHo> as well as kdenlive.
[09:35] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett, whatr i want to do is try to record myself playing different parts of songs. bass, ukulele guitar, keyboard, etc. and have them all showing at same time.
[09:36] <cfhowlett> picture in picture?
[09:39] <SwedeMike> HiDeHo: then what you want is a video recording application that can talk to whatever video device your hardware driver presents to the OS. Being snippy about "what is a webcam used for" is just uncalled for. You did not specify what you needed, and you chose to be an ass about it.
[09:40] <HiDeHo> SwedeMike, i was not trying to be like that. sorry it came across like it.
[09:41] <HiDeHo> i see so many people with videos on youtube like this but they have windows or mac computers mainly.
[09:41] <Bluewolf> Hi, I've an issue where my USB drive has suddenly become a read only drive and won't allow me to format it. I don't know how to resolve this issue, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 Gnome
[09:42] <SwedeMike> HiDeHo: what you're looking for is video recording software that'll record video to a file on disk, and then video editing software to put it all together.
[09:43] <SwedeMike> HiDeHo: you can do this from any video device in linux probably, meaning it doesn't matter if it's a USB camera, a PCI-E video-in device or whatever other source of video
[09:43] <Bluewolf> I'm getting these errors in Gparted - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gZbCmqSp6M/
[09:45] <SwedeMike> HiDeHo: it would have been a completely different program needed if you wanted to live-stream the output from the same usb-camera, for instance a stream with your picture as picture-in-picture with another stream. That's why I asked.
[09:45] <ppf_> Bluewolf: you messed up the filesystem
[09:45] <Bluewolf> ppf_: How though, all I tried to do was format it and I wouldn't allow it?
[09:46] <Bluewolf> I mean it set itself to a read only state, how?
[09:46] <ppf_> i have no idea what you did, i can't really tell you ;)
[09:46] <cfhowlett> I've seen this with failing USB Bluewolf
[09:46] <ppf_> Bluewolf: remove the partition table and start from scratch
[09:47] <SwedeMike> Bluewolf: check "dmesg" for errors.
[09:47] <Bluewolf> cfhowlett: So all my usb drives are falling then - Even new ones? :D
[09:48] <cfhowlett> ah, that's different?  I thought you mentioned only the one
[09:48] <Bluewolf> ppf_: It won't allow me to remove the partition - because its read-only?
[09:48] <ppf_> Bluewolf: rewrite the _table_
[09:48] <Bluewolf> cfhowlett: Yeah currently its one, but my other usb have similar issues. When I was able to format them, they were fine after.
[09:49] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: does the usb have some sort of read only switch
[09:49] <Bluewolf> ppf_: I'm not sure how to do that.
[09:49] <ppf_> Device>Create Partition Table
[09:49] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: Not that I'm aware of
[09:49] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: pastebin "sudo parted -ls"
[09:50] <ppf_> EriC^^: see the errors he posted
[09:50] <Bluewolf> ppf_: What partition table type?
[09:50] <EriC^^> dont have scrollback here
[09:50] <ppf_> fat
[09:51] <ppf_> *msdos
[09:51] <ppf_> EriC^^: Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[09:52] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MH3qchmrhr/
[09:52] <ppf_> hardware fail is possible, but i'm betting on a user error :)
[09:52] <EriC^^> sounds like he's trying to mount the disk or omething
[09:52] <Bluewolf> ppf_: Probably yes
[09:52] <EriC^^> try sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt
[09:53] <ppf_> EriC^^: he said it's gparted output
[09:53] <Bluewolf> ppf_: And yes, the new partition failed again - read-only
[09:53] <ppf_> how do you determine 'read-only'
[09:53] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: what does "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd count=1" give?
[09:53] <ppf_> can you back up a little and tell us what it is you're actually trying to do
[09:54] <Bluewolf> ppf_: Its the error that keeps popping up when ever I try alter something
[09:54] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: dd: failed to open '/dev/sdd': Read-only file system
[09:54] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: type "dmesg | grep sdd" and paste
[09:55] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JMxTvZQTDh/
[09:56] <Bluewolf> I don't understand how it set itself to a 'Read-only file system'
[09:57] <EriC^^> [sdd] Write Protect is on
[09:57] <ppf_> sudo hdparm -r0 /dev/sdd to make it writable again, but you might want to retrace your steps to see how you enabled it
[09:59] <Bluewolf> ppf_: Well that's just it. I don't know what's causing it. I'd put data on, next day, BAM! - 'Read-only file system' :D
[10:00] <jeremy31> Bluewolf: How old is the SSD?
[10:01] <Bluewolf> jeremy31: Hm, I'd say about a year. Sat for about 6 months without being used. Then I started using it abit.
[10:01] <Bluewolf> Age likely a part to play?
[10:01] <Bluewolf> With all my USB's - Even a new one?
[10:01] <jeremy31> Bluewolf: open the Disks program, see what SMART results show
[10:02] <Bluewolf> jeremy31: it won't allow me access to the SMART option
[10:03] <TJ-> Bluewolf: this can often happen if the link to the device is iffy and commands get dropped or timeout, is it ocnnecte via USB<>SATA ?
[10:03] <TJ-> Bluewolf: grr typo! /connected/
[10:05] <Bluewolf> TJ-: Ah USB, not sure through SATA though
[10:05] <Bluewolf> Don't think so
[10:05] <Bluewolf> Oh, dah - Its with USB thumb drives
[10:06] <TJ-> Bluewolf: the device is an SSD you said; that usually implies (but not exclusively) it has a native SATA interface. When connected via USB often-times the USB part has a USB<>SATA bridge-chip that converts commands from the USB to SATA and back
[10:07] <TJ-> Bluewolf: if is is 'just' a USB Flash device (thumb-drive as they're often called) then its a USB<>Flash controller. )
[10:07] <TJ-> Bluewolf: these latter would not be expected to have SMART functionality
[10:08] <Bluewolf> TJ-: So far its only been with my USB thumb Drives. So faulty connections is what you're suggesting, from the physical merging?
[10:09] <Bluewolf> TJ-: The SMART functionality are not available through the Disks program
[10:09] <Bluewolf> On both the USB Drives/Thumb Drives I have in
[10:10] <Bluewolf> Nor is the format option
[10:10] <TJ-> Bluewolf: The quality of USB Flash devices can be poor. E.g. I'ev seen many, many times where they've failed when subjected to sustained writes. The underlying reason is the USB<>Flash NAND controller chip in them overheats and either temporarily causes glitches (including data corruption) like you've seen, or permanently kills the device
[10:11] <cfhowlett> but multiple usb failures??
[10:11] <Bluewolf> TJ-: Is there a way I can check that?
[10:12] <TJ-> Bluewolf: if you can burn your fingers on it when it's being actively used :D
[10:12] <Bluewolf> Perhaps there is an issue with the hardware travelling to my motherboard?
[10:12] <Bluewolf> No fingers are not burning :D
[10:13] <TJ-> Bluewolf: if your issue is 'just' this read-only attribute being set, then that is more likely a problem with the physical connection, or some other hardware issue causes commands to the device to be lost/fail/timeout etc.
[10:14] <TJ-> Bluewolf: in which case the device makes itself read-only to protect data integrity
[10:15] <Bluewolf> TJ-: Well let me shed some more insight - I'm using the front usb ports on my desktop, which appear to be working. However the microphone and volume imputs stopped working a while back and I have failed to get them working - So is it safe to assume that the wires to the board are the issue then?
[10:16] <Bluewolf> Perhaps the mystery to the silent usb drives is finally solved :D
[10:17] <TJ-> Bluewolf: Now, usually, if a command fails the Linux kernel will report an I/O error in the kernel log (viewed via dmesg, or captured in the kernel logs). E.g. "journalctl -k -p warning | grep "I/O" will usually find related messages
[10:17] <TJ-> Bluewolf: that sounds like a good hypothesis
[10:18] <Bluewolf> TJ-: So should I try this command: journalctl -k -p warning | grep "I/O
[10:19] <TJ-> Now I need help! Suddenly, since last evening, in terminal I'm getting a lot of "fork failed: Resource temporarily unavailable " when trying to run some, but not all, commands! E.g. it just happened trying "man journalctl"
[10:19] <Bluewolf> As is?
[10:19] <TJ-> Bluewolf: put a closing " at the end :)
[10:22] <Bluewolf> TJ-: Done. And no feedback :(
[10:23] <TJ-> Bluewolf: right; consider the actual failure that caused the read-only could have been some time ago; when did you last use that USB device when you could write to it?
[10:24] <Bluewolf> TJ-: About a month or so - Decided to let it 'pickle' before trying something again or until I had the motivation to try fix it :D
[10:25] <Bluewolf> Oh by 'pickle' I mean I left it in a draw untouched
[10:25] <TJ-> Bluewolf: right, so the messages may no longer be saved in the logs :)
[10:25] <TJ-> Bluewolf: but the iffy front sockets does sound to be the prime suspect
[10:26] <Bluewolf> TJ-: Okay so if I've narrowed it down to that, how do I format or fix this usb drive if none of the programs will allow access - zeroing it?
[10:27] <TJ-> Note to others!! MegaRaid Storage Manager, started with the confusingly named /etc/init.d/vivaldifameworkd, spins up a JRE with some kind of Popup.jar notification agent, that has just used up all available threads, resulting in the "fork failed: Resource temporarily available" message
[10:28] <TJ-> I only installed MegaRAID to help a user last week diagnose issues in starting/using it, forgot it was installed, and had a reboot for the first time last night that would have triggered the service to start
[10:32] <TJ-> Hmmm, and the uninstaller.sh script does nothing.
[10:34] <Bluewolf> TJ-: Ah "uninstaller.sh script" ?
[10:36] <TJ-> Bluewolf: hehehe, yes, this MegaRAID Storage Controller I installed to help another user last week. The Linux 'package' is not exactly amazing :)
[10:37] <akik> just running rm in a shell script is too difficult?
[10:37] <TJ-> akik: apparently :)
[10:38] <TJ-> akik: the uninstaller sources an env files which calls a 'hidden' empty .___uninst.sh shell script!
[10:39] <TJ-> it also uses some foreign tool so the service name is actually 'vivaldiframeworkd' - not really obvious that is related to LSI/MegaRAID
[10:39] <TJ-> it also writes it's shell env as /etc/init.d/msm_profile, rather than put it in /etc/default/
[10:39] <akik> which brings back memories about steam: rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"*
[10:40] <TJ-> akik: that was similar was it? Scary how life outside Debian Policy can get !
[10:41] <akik> TJ-: no it just made me wonder if the people are not able to write a uninstall script, they could as easily put into it rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"* and not check if $STEAMROOT is empty
[10:42] <akik> https://github.com/valvesoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671
[10:42] <TJ-> akik: Ahhh... I've not touched steam so not very familiar with it. I only recall users's reporting it installed everything under the $HOME
[10:44] <Lope> Is there any reason to run a new version of syncthing (1.1.4) vs 0.14.18 ? :) (smileyface cos it seems like a ridiculous question)
[10:45] <ppf_> Lope: i mean ... ^^
[10:45] <ppf_> is there any reason not to run ubuntu 9.04?
[10:45] <OerHeks> Lope, please .. crossposting in 3 channels.. what did you find yourself?
[10:46] <Lope> OerHeks, it's not crossposting if you're asking for an opinion
[10:46] <Lope> an opinion type question is likely to get various conflicting answers because everyone has a different perspective.
[10:46] <ppf_> we don't do opinions here though!
[10:46] <cfhowlett> !9.04 | ppf_
[10:47] <Lope> It's not like a fact based question where someone has to go research the answer.
[10:47] <ppf_> cfhowlett: :p
[10:47] <Lope> ppf_, okay so you won't be giving your opinion then, cool.
[10:48] <cfhowlett> Lope= please restrict opinion queries to #ubuntu-offtopic as this channel is for dedicated tech support
[10:48] <ppf_> ^
[10:48] <Lope> cfhowlett, oh, I see, thanks.
[10:48] <Bluewolf> TJ-: So and I'm pretty much in the dark here. "sudo -H nautilus" should allow me to change owner ship of the drive and change the read-only state or have I fallen off the wagon here? :D
[10:48] <cfhowlett> happy2help! Lope
[10:48] <ppf_> Bluewolf: yeah that's something else
[10:49] <cfhowlett> Bluewolf= sudo -H does not change ownership of anything.
[10:49] <cfhowlett> !permissions | Bluewolf
[10:49] <TJ-> Bluewolf: no, at the drive level you need "blockdev --setrw /dev/sdX" or "hdparm -r 0 /dev/sdX"
[10:50] <TJ-> Bluewolf: these commands are to remove the Write Protect flag reported by the kernel as "[sdd] Write Protect is on"
[10:50] <ppf_> Bluewolf: try and see if that same stick works on another computer
[10:51] <ppf_> my default assumption is user error, but if all your devices have that same issue that's a bit too unliekly
[10:51] <sruli> TJ-: thanks for the updated script, how ever i get a "/usr/local/sbin/iptables: Bad substitution" for the if statement
[10:53] <TJ-> sruli: hmmm, really, grrr!
[10:54] <TJ-> sruli: I did some testing of that using the DEBUG=echo prefix and couldn't make it fail; does it fail for all commands you issue, or just particular iptables options?
[10:56] <TJ-> sruli: see these examples: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H6byW5gDgp/
[10:56] <sruli> TJ-: any iptables command, also when i enable the debug i get endless run of "echo iptables help me test it 4"
[10:59] <Bluewolf> So do I have to change permissions back to read and write to get this usb working again?
[10:59] <sruli> TJ-: i dont have that output
[10:59] <ppf_> Bluewolf: no ... see above
[11:01] <Bluewolf> ppf_: On this site, I disconnected? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[11:01] <Bluewolf> Was something else mentioned?
[11:02] <ppf_>  TJ- | Bluewolf: these commands are to remove the Write Protect flag reported by the kernel as
[11:02] <ppf_>                         "[sdd] Write Protect is on"
[11:02] <ppf_> TJ- | Bluewolf: no, at the drive level you need "blockdev --setrw /dev/sdX" or "hdparm -r 0
[11:02] <ppf_>                         /dev/sdX"
[11:02] <ppf_> sruli: can you run file `which iptables`
[11:03] <ppf_> sruli: and what's /usr/local/sbin/iptables?
[11:04] <TJ-> ppf_: sruli is runing a custom script we developed last week
[11:05] <TJ-> sruli: I swear you jsut *looking* at an install breaks it!
[11:05] <sruli> TJ-:  # which iptables - /usr/local/sbin/iptables, that wrong, no?
[11:05] <ppf_> TJ-: ah ... okay
[11:05] <TJ-> ppf_: sruli wanted to auto-run "netfilter-persistent save" on every invocation of 'iptables' *except* for -L !
[11:06] <sruli> ppf_: TJ- is wrong, i dont need to look at it, just thinking of an install is enough for me to break it
[11:06] <TJ-> ppf_: this is the script I prepared for him: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y5zVXM6rMd/
[11:06] <TJ-> sruli: hehehe you sure keep 'support' in business though
[11:06] <ppf_> why not use ufw instead
[11:06] <TJ-> ppf_: because sruli loves to break things via command line :)
[11:07] <ppf_> oh you can break things with ufw just as well
[11:07] <TJ-> sruli: good point though; could you rely on ufw?
[11:07] <TJ-> ppf_: :)
[11:08] <TJ-> ppf_: What it really is, is sruli is secretly testing me for some super-secret elite hackers club by reporting false problems :P
[11:08] <cfhowlett> shhh!
[11:08] <sruli> TJ-: havnt used ufw yet, (something i didnt have time to break yet ;-) but from a quick introduction i read that UFW adds exceptions for any application i install, not really what i want.
[11:09] <Bluewolf> ppf_: Sorry, back again - Was that command okay?
[11:09]  * TJ- spent several days sat next to sruli once doing 'stuff' so has evidence of how sruli can break things :)
[11:09] <sruli> TJ-: and u kept my hard drive with all my secrets lol
[11:09] <ppf_> sruli: ufw is basicly a usable and intuitive frontend for iptables
[11:09] <TJ-> sruli: ahh, that sounds like ufw has the concept of rule drop-ins; maybe we could disable that aspect!
[11:09] <ppf_> it does what you tell it to do
[11:10] <TJ-> sruli: I did? Are you sure?
[11:10] <ppf_> TJ-: rule dropins?
[11:10] <TJ-> sruli: I'm not aware... do you know the make/model I can dig around my crates for it
[11:11] <TJ-> ppf_: sruli described ufw adding per-application permissions. That implies application packages will 'drop' their required rules into a directory that UFW will read. So blocking that would prevent the applications doing so.
[11:11] <ppf_> applications can't add their own rules
[11:12] <sruli> TJ-: blocking what exactly ?
[11:12] <ppf_> apt could, but i'm not sure it does?
[11:12] <ppf_> ufw has application profiles, that's true
[11:12] <ppf_> so you can say 'ufw allow Samba' and that just works
[11:13] <ppf_> you don't have to go and figure out what ports samba wants first
[11:13] <ppf_> applications can ship their profile, but you have to allow them explicitly
[11:15] <TJ-> ppf_: ahh, so the rules in /etc/ufw/applications.d/ aren't automatically enabled then?
[11:15] <sruli> ppf_: i understand, will look into using UFW instead, thanks
[11:15] <sruli> TJ-: 500gb Crucial SSD, dont go crazy looking for it
[11:16] <ppf_> TJ-: no
[11:16] <sphalerite> Hi folks, I'd like to run ubuntu trusty in a systemd-nspawn container. However, that seems to be nontrivial since trusty was before ubuntu switched to systemd. Is it reasonable to get working, or should I go for a different approach
[11:16] <TJ-> sruli: I think I have found it... blimey its thin, and in a plastic sleeve. Crucial BX100 2.5 SSD - is that it?
[11:16] <sruli> TJ-: i beleive so
[11:16] <sruli> TJ-: now ask my to put my mailing adress here lol
[11:16] <TJ-> sruli: hmmm, it was right in the bottom of my 'maybe projects' crate :)
[11:17] <TJ-> sruli: I think I have it, unless it changed, in email
[11:17] <ppf_> sphalerite: how's that related?
[11:17] <sruli> TJ-: here is a challenge, try to remember to luks password to open it, and then try to remember how to run the system on it
[11:17] <ppf_> sphalerite: do you run into any issues?
[11:17] <TJ-> sruli: no chance! my memory is gone in 24 hours
[11:18] <sruli> TJ-: selective memory syndrom?
[11:19] <Bluewolf> ppf_:   sudo hdparm -r 0 -setrw /dev/sdd     -s: bad/missing powerup-in-standby value (0..1)
[11:19] <sphalerite> ppf_: yeah, it doesn't seem to start any of the services - init, plymouthd, plymouth-upstart-bridge and mountall --daemon are the only processes running in the container when I run systemd-nspawn -D /path/to/rootfs --boot
[11:19] <ppf_> Bluewolf: wtf is -setrw
[11:20] <Bluewolf> ppf_: Oh wait, must that come out? - sudo hdparm -r 0 /dev/sdd
[11:21] <Bluewolf> It was in the other command "sudo blockdev --setrw /dev/sdd"
[11:21] <Bluewolf> I'm not good with this at all :(
[11:22] <ppf_> sphalerite: hm. do you need to pass any arguments to init?
[11:22] <ppf_> i can't really remember how this worked in upstart times
[11:22] <TJ-> sruli: no, I forget transient stuff unless I use it regularly, but I've trained myself to forget passwords. Emailed you for return address :)
[11:24] <ppf_> sphalerite: whats the output of runlevel in the container
[11:24] <sphalerite> ppf_: I doubt it, since usually the kernel just runs init without any params?
[11:24] <sphalerite> ppf_: how am I supposed to run runlevel in it?
[11:26] <TJ-> Bluewolf: :D
[11:27] <plamer> hey guys, i got a work laptop (t490) and put ubuntu on it - it works fine so far, but the battery life is quite short and... the machine seems louder than it should, and gets warm/hot.. is this normal? I'm a bit spoiled when talking noise levels (i used a macbook air that was almost silent most of the time)
[11:28] <ppf_> sphalerite: fair enough :)
[11:28] <cfhowlett> plamer= perhaps adding a couple of addon packages tlp comes to mind and perhaps sensors
[11:28] <cfhowlett> !tlp | plamer
[11:29] <plamer> @cfhowlett, i've added tlp, but i'm not sure if changes the situation much, it's running, but i haven't played with the tunning
[11:30] <sruli> TJ-: how do i find your pub key? "The key with ID 0xEFEC37A429CD6080 is not available on the keyserver. Most likely, the owner of the key did not upload their key to the keyserver."
[11:30] <TJ-> plamer: that sounds like maybe the ACPI side might not be correctly configured. The noise is presumably fans running?  short battery life implies its drawing more power than it ought
[11:31] <plamer> yup, noise = fans :)
[11:31] <TJ-> sruli: lets switch to private
[11:33] <Zorbeltuss> is there any way to edit grub files in /boot to give kernel options at boot, apparently I\m not fast enough to press shift and/or escape unless I buttonmash and then everything breaks for me
[11:33] <plamer> at the moment it's running around 4k RPM, core temps are around 45-50, acpitz is 60 degrees
[11:33] <cfhowlett> Zorbeltuss= yes there's a pause setting in grub you can edit
[11:33] <cfhowlett> "timeout"
[11:34] <cfhowlett> https://askubuntu.com/questions/148095/how-do-i-set-the-grub-timeout-and-the-grub-default-boot-entry#148097
[11:36] <Zorbeltuss> but I can\t do update-grub from a liveusb unless i chroot right? and chroot is messy
[11:38] <ppf_> Zorbeltuss: what's messy about it
[11:39] <Zorbeltuss> well It was last time I used it at least, granted that was in 2007 on gentoo
[11:46] <TJ-> Zorbeltuss: you can directly edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg, yes
[11:46] <HiDeHo> hi does this look corect for my data partition in fstab # Data Partition /dev/sda2
[11:46] <HiDeHo> UUID=1dfac780-6c10-4ab9-8e4a-dbf1fb51e148 /mnt/Data        ext4 errors=remount-ro  0       1
[11:46] <ppf_> HiDeHo: syntactically yes, semantically, no idea
[11:47] <TJ-> Zorbeltuss: the default entry is the first menuentry stanza, and the line to edit is the one beginning "linux /vmlinuz.... "
[11:47] <Zorbeltuss> ah thank you so much!
[11:47] <HiDeHo> hi does this look corect for my data partition in fstab # Data Partition /dev/sda2    UUID=1dfac780-6c10-4ab9-8e4a-dbf1fb51e148 /mnt/Data        ext4 errors=remount-ro  0       1
[11:49] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo= asked and answered.
[11:51] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett, ???
[11:51] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo=   <ppf_> HiDeHo: syntactically yes, semantically, no idea
[11:51] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: make it 0 2 at the end instead of 0 1
[11:52] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett, the uuid is corect
[11:52] <HiDeHo> ok how does that change things
[11:53] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#Pass_.28fsck_order.29
[11:57] <HiDeHo> EriC^^, ok whats difference in using 0 0, 0 1, 0 2
[11:57] <ppf_> HiDeHo: read the link ...
[11:57] <HiDeHo> itds confusing
[11:58] <ppf_> not really
[11:58] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: 0 wont be fsck'd (filesystem checked) while booting, 1 are first in priority, 2 are next
[11:58] <HiDeHo> ok os 0 2 = non root partition.
[11:58] <HiDeHo> os = so
[11:59] <EriC^^> ya
[11:59] <ppf_> actually no
[11:59] <HiDeHo> no ???
[11:59] <ppf_> it's just the check priority
[11:59] <EriC^^> he means for non root parititions use 0 2, yes
[11:59] <ppf_> it doesn't mean anything beyond, well, the priority with which the device is checked
[12:01] <ppf_> for a non-root partition you _should_ make it 2, but the world doesn't catch fire if you don't
[12:04] <HiDeHo> so i could use relatime,noexec  0  2 or rw, errors=remount-ro  0 2
[12:05] <EriC^^> yeah, noexec means files cant be executed from that filesystem
[12:05] <HiDeHo> its confusing i just basically want the data partition mounted and useable.
[12:05] <EriC^^> this page explains all the options and what they do https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#Options
[12:05] <HiDeHo> oh i may have files there i want to use.
[12:06] <HiDeHo> ok i will take a good look thanks
[12:06] <EriC^^> then just use rw,errors=remount-ro or whatever else you want to add
[12:06] <HiDeHo> ok
[12:19] <marlinc> Where do the bug reports that get generated by apport go to? It is possible to see the report I just send on Launchpad or somewhere else?
[12:26] <TJ-> marlinc: https://errors.ubuntu.com/
[12:40] <ggnoredo> Hi, i recently switched from gnome to xfce on ubuntu18.04. Everything works but i have 2 problems. 1) gnome-shell process is still loading, and i guess it's because of gdm? 2) Some apps will open nautilus on folder path links instead of thunar eventhough it's the default one
[12:56] <cfhowlett> ggnoredo= did you clean install xubuntu or install it on top of ubuntu gnome?
[12:56] <ggnoredo> top of gnome
[12:57] <cfhowlett> then you retain many gnome apps. sudo apt purge gnome* would remove it but I'd suggest you just install clean install xubuntu
[12:59] <akik> it's so weird that you can't install multiple des without running into that problem
[13:00] <ggnoredo> i didn't want to purge gnome* not to break anything on the system
[13:00] <akik> they des should be contained from each other
[13:00] <cfhowlett> you can but it doesn't always go 100%
[13:00] <akik> it usually goes wrong
[13:00] <ggnoredo> cfhowlett: clean install is so hard at this point for MerinoBailon
[13:00] <ggnoredo> for me*
[13:00] <akik> "want another de? reinstall your machine"
[13:00] <cfhowlett> ggnoredo= wait 1 --- you install xfce4  correct
[13:01] <ggnoredo> yes
[13:02] <ggnoredo> for example when i click `open downloads folder` within Firefox, it opens with naitulus instead of thunar
[13:02] <cfhowlett> ggnoredo= you'd need to do some editing to your default apps then.  gnome is still defaulting
[13:02] <cfhowlett> installing the xfce doesn't change all the defaults
[13:02] <ggnoredo> i set them in xfce settings but somehow it's not working for some apps
[13:04] <cfhowlett> logout/login reboot?
[13:18] <ggnoredo> yes ofc
[13:22] <akik> ggnoredo: i had to go edit the files in /usr/share/applications, there's a file called mimeinfo.cache that controls them
[13:22] <akik> dunno about the proper fix after updates
[13:28] <ggnoredo> akik: so i have to replace all nautilus.desktop with thunar?
[13:29] <akik> ggnoredo: sorry i don't know. make a backup of it first
[13:29] <ggnoredo> ok thank you. This file's content is different from the MIME settings within xfce
[13:30] <akik> i think this controls which application is opened when you request the downloads directory from a web browser: inode/directory=
[13:30] <ggnoredo> inode/directory=vscodium.desktop;org.gnome.baobab.desktop;nautilus-folder-handler.desktop;Thunar-folder-handler.desktop;org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop;
[13:30] <ggnoredo>  
[13:30] <ggnoredo> it's current set value
[13:32] <cfhowlett> ggnoredo= you shouldn't have to edit mimeinfo.cacche.  xfce has a default settings app.  also firefox behavior is configured directly in ffox
[13:33] <cfhowlett> about:config           will trigger the firefox utility
[13:34] <cfhowlett> actually see firefox setttings / applications
[13:38] <akik> ggnoredo: could you write back if/how you get it fixed?
[13:38] <akik> i just found out that there's a command xdg-mime that can change those associations
[13:39] <akik> but it creates a new config file in ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[13:42] <cfhowlett> for local user only not system global, akik
[13:43] <akik> i remember a case where i installed xfce on a setup that has plasma 5 originally
[13:44] <akik> then after the install, in plasma 5 the xfce's file manager opened instead of dolphin
[13:44] <akik> it had inserted thunar in priority over dolphin
[13:44] <cfhowlett> as it should have.  doesn't always work as planned.
[13:45] <akik> but i don't want that. i want plasma 5 to open dolphin and xfce open thunar
[13:46] <cfhowlett> you can edit that, but having installed xfce it would expect thunar.
[13:48] <akik> it should just be better not to mix and match them
[14:08] <nishttal> hello ppl.. I have a private key that uses a passphrase.. however, on ubuntu it only asks me the passphrase the first time I try to SSH using that key.. and it never again until i logout.
[14:09] <nishttal> can this behavior be changed to force ask passphrase everytime the identity file is used
[14:09] <ppf_> nishttal: deactivate the ssh-agent
[14:10] <nishttal> ppf_, sorry.. i am not sure how to do that
[14:10] <ppf_> first, figure out what your ssh agent is :)
[14:10] <ppf_> ps auxf | grep ssh
[14:11] <nishttal>  /usr/bin/ssh-agent -D -a /run/user/1000/keyring/.ssh
[15:02] <cgi> I have a ubuntu box in which I made a mistake in .bashrc - now I can't open a shell. xterm/terminal - all of them just launch and exit. There is only one user on this machine. I do have the GUI pulled up. Even in text mode, I can't get a shell - it exits right away. Any thoughts on how to fix this problem?
[15:04] <ayekat> sounds like a fun problem
[15:04] <ayekat> cgi: I would try creating a .desktop file that launches something like `xterm -e /bin/sh`
[15:04] <ayekat> and then you can fix your .bashrc
[15:04] <ayekat> ah, or wait - just rename your .bashrc to something else from a GUI or something
[15:04] <ayekat> much simpler
[15:05] <thsnr> or edit .bashrc with a GUI text editor
[15:05] <ayekat> or that... even simpler ^^
[15:05] <SimonNL> from menu
[15:09] <cgi> ayekat, its not bashrc, I tried that. I changed my shell to xonsh. And xonsh is broken.
[15:11] <ayekat> oh dear, more moving parts
[15:12] <ayekat> cgi: so what exactly is the issue? is your .bashrc broken? if you've changed the login shell to something else, .bashrc is not relevant anymore
[15:12] <cgi> ayekat, k - alt -f2 got me a shell - let me see if i can fix things
[15:13] <ayekat> the tty gives you your login shell - if it works there, then something else must be broken
[15:13]  * ayekat is now utterly confused about cgi's problem
[15:14] <ayekat> ah wait, I misunderstood... the alt-f2 that launches the prompt for starting an application
[15:14] <cgi> ayekat, I got into an xterm using Alt+F2 in unity - now I have sh. I used chsh to /bin/bash
[15:15] <cgi> ayekat, still cant open a terminal - will exit as soon as it opens
[15:16] <ayekat> I believe after chsh you need to restart your user session
[15:16] <cgi> I changed the shell to bash using chsh/root
[15:16] <cgi> k, let me logout and login, brb
[15:16] <ayekat> because for your running session, the login shell is still set to whatever it was when logging in
[15:24] <iffraff> hello can someone please help me diagnose my dual monitor (only one showing up) problem before monitor and or computer go out the window?
[15:25] <iffraff> I have spectre laptop and I bought two adapters one usb-c one thunderbolt3 both to two hdmi
[15:25] <iffraff> Only one will work at a time
[15:27] <cgi> ayekat, no luch. I changed my shell. Terminals still disappear when I click them
[15:28] <ayekat> cgi: launch xterm again (like you did before), and check the output of `id`
[15:28] <ayekat> cgi: no, wait
[15:28] <ayekat> id only shows groups
[15:29] <ayekat> `getent passwd` gives information about your user account, notably the user login shell
[15:29] <cgi> ayekat, id =1000 (uname).. getent passwd - shows that my shell is bash by default
[15:30] <ayekat> cgi: ok - now have you verified that your .bashrc is not broken?
[15:30] <ayekat> cgi: actually, from your xterm shell there, what happens if you run `bash`?
[15:30] <cgi> If I run /bin/bash from xterm - I just get a "$" prompt
[15:30] <ayekat> that's... at least something
[15:30] <ppf_> cgi: rename/remove your .bashrc then
[15:31] <ayekat> it doesn't immediately kick you out to the first shell then
[15:31] <cgi> Renaming .bashrc helped
[15:31] <cgi> k - something in .bashrc is broken
[15:31] <cgi> looking at it now
[15:32] <ayekat> I'm still confused... but whatever
[15:34] <cgi> I moved .bashrc to backup.bashrc
[15:35] <cgi> there was a "set -e" there - which i removed
[15:35] <ayekat> so something in your .bashrc had a non-0 exit code
[15:35] <cgi> That is what caused this issue!
[15:35] <ayekat> probably worth looking at
[15:35] <ayekat> then again, set -e in an interactive shell is not very useful
[15:36] <ppf_> that's worth looking at, yeah, but -e is asking for trouble
[15:36] <ppf_> because, _any_ command with a non-zero exit code will close your shell
[15:37] <ayekat> a small typo... `sduo apt update`, and *puff*, there goes your shell
[15:37] <cgi> ayekat, An update broke my .bashrc
[15:37] <ppf_> non-zero doesn't even mean error
[15:37] <cgi> ayekat, and then that broke the set -e -> which then broke my terminal
[15:37] <Ademan-remote> I"m trying to run the 18.04.2 server alternate installer from an iso on a thumb drive, and I've booted to the point where the installer is running, and it's failing at "Detect and mount CD-ROM". I can mount the iso file just fine, can I just mount it in the right place and/or point the installer to it?
[15:38] <cgi> ayekat, so no "set -e" on my bashrc ?
[15:38] <ppf_> a grep that finds nothing return 1
[15:38] <ppf_> cgi: no
[15:38] <ayekat> cgi: what update? the package manager doesn't touch your personal configuration files
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> Ademan-remote: come join to #ubuntu-server please
[15:38] <cgi> ayekat, I run "pyenv" from .bashrc as well as xonsh - pyenv updated, xonsh broke
[15:38] <cgi> set -e kicked me out
[15:38] <ppf_> cg	easy to trey
[15:38] <ppf_> wtf
[15:39] <ayekat> rogue tab ^^
[15:40] <ppf_> no, broken internet connection and of in the irc client
[15:40] <ppf_> easy to try: set -e; dmesg | grep foo
[15:40] <ayekat> cgi: I would probably fix your .bashrc anyway - I don't know pyenv or xonsh, so I can't tell how it should be used, but putting that in .bashrc doesn't sound very clean to me
[15:46] <cgi> ayekat, I can change the shell to xonsh - but that has the same problem - when it breaks , things break
[15:46] <ayekat> I'd recommend using a shell that doesn't break that often... bash is pretty fine, I think
[15:48] <ppf_> use whichever shell  you like i guess?
[15:49] <ppf_> is that related to the .bashrc thing?
[15:52] <ayekat> but yeah, if you want to use a different shell, use chsh, rather than launching the shell in your .bashrc
[15:52] <ayekat> cgi: ^
[16:08] <iffraff> uggg, anyone think they can help with my dual monitor problem? ( only one monitor will display at a time, xrandr detects but doesn't connect )
[16:46] <the2048> Is there any way to update to 18.04 from 16.04.6 without having to boot from a live USB?
[16:49] <ppf_> the2048: do-release-upgrade
[16:49] <the2048> Thanks! I should have to reboot after it finishes like apt, right?
[16:50] <ppf_> yeah
[16:50] <the2048> Thanks ppf_, that'll help a lot!
[16:50] <OerHeks> No, when the upgrade tool asks you to
[16:50] <ppf_> which is at the end :)
[16:51] <the2048> It does exist, though, which is good!
[16:51] <ppf_> the2048: you might wanna set the prompt to lts in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[16:51] <the2048> Oh, right!
[16:51] <ppf_> or in Ubuntu > System > Administration > Update Manager alternatively
[16:51] <OerHeks> but before you upgrade, prepare a fresh 18.04 iso on usb
[16:52] <ahi2> fresh is best
[16:52] <the2048> It is set to LTS. I have an 18.04 iso on a USB drive in my backpack so I should be good
[16:52] <ppf_> ahi2: depends on your metric
[16:52] <OerHeks> :-)
[16:52] <the2048> Fresh would be best, you're right ahi2, however I don't exactly have much in the way for downtime intended
[16:53] <ahi2> ppf_:  my metric?
[16:53] <the2048> In-place upgrading is how I'll have to go with my laptop, given that I use it for schoolwork
[16:53] <ppf_> ahi2: if you're out for 'cleanliness' than fresh is best
[16:53] <ahi2> right
[16:54] <the2048> It's stuck on reading state information
[16:55] <ppf_> define stuck
[16:55] <the2048> Reading state information... Done
[16:55] <the2048> It's just hung on that, the laptop is fully usable
[16:55] <the2048> Oh, now it did something
[16:55] <ppf_> well process still running?
[16:55] <the2048> It just advanced to third-party sources being disabled.
[16:56] <the2048> It hasn't hung, then!
[16:57] <ahi2> why doesnt ubuntu go to the rolling release model?
[16:57] <the2048> I don't know
[16:57] <the2048> It just works how it is, though
[16:57] <ppf_> because it's hard to get right
[16:58] <the2048> This is going to suck when I have to move my laptop
[16:58] <ppf_> ubuntu just doesn't have the manpower that microsoft has
[16:58] <ahi2> arch has rolling release. does arch have more people than ubuntu?
[16:58] <OerHeks> there are many types of rolling release ..
[16:59] <ppf_> arch doesn't have enterprise customers really
[16:59] <OerHeks> rolling release is a nightmare for unskilled users
[17:00] <ahi2> was just a thought :D
[17:00] <the2048> You have to download a total of 1,687 M
[17:00] <the2048> Yes
[17:01] <the2048> 25 minutes
[18:02] <CrtxReavr> I'm testing the ubunut-based distro Zorin. . . it's supposed to offer a "Wayland Prewiew", but ``echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE`` reports 'x11'.
[18:02] <CrtxReavr> How sould I enable Wayland?
[18:03] <CrtxReavr> er - how would
[18:05] <Forty-3> is there a package which provides an iptables systemd unit (e.g. saves on shutdown restores on startup)?
[18:10] <Forty-3> it appears iptables-persistant is what I want
[18:11] <lordcirth> Forty-3, yes, that will do it. You might want to use a firewall tool like ufw (Ubuntu default) or Shorewall (my favorite)
[18:11] <Forty-3> ufw is interfering with other iptables rules which are being created by a different service
[18:11] <Forty-3> so I am planning to just handwrite it
[18:11] <lordcirth> Forty-3, I see. what service is writing it's own rules?
[18:11] <Forty-3> openstack to manage the VMs
[18:12] <leftyfb> ctrlbreak: We do not support Zorin here.
[18:12] <leftyfb> CrtxReavr: ^
[18:13] <lordcirth> CrtxReavr, /join #ZorinOS
[18:20] <sentiment> hi. while playing hd mkv videos the gpu's temp reaches the breaking point and the machine shuts down.
[18:24] <Tsynk> How would I report a bug on Ubuntu through the terminal?
[18:25] <Forty-3> elinks?
[18:25] <Tsynk> I am asking for the command to type into the terminal.
[18:26] <sarnold> ubuntu-bug
[18:26] <sarnold> it can take a package name or program name
[18:27] <Tsynk> Okay, thanks.
[18:31] <ankk> hi. why PageDown puts a tilde character on terminal?
[18:33] <lordcirth> ankk, probably because you set a non-US keymap?
[18:34] <ankk> lordcirth: yes it is possible. what should be the normal behavior and how can i do that?
[18:35] <lordcirth> ankk, you should be able to check your keyboard settings in the Settings window
[18:35] <ankk> hm
[18:36] <ankk> so there is a solution there?
[18:37] <sarnold> heh, I've seen that for decades, I figured that's just the way it is
[18:38] <lordcirth> Oh, yeah, mine actually does that too. Guess it isn't keymap.
[18:39] <coconut> ankk there is shift+ctrl+cursor
[18:41] <ankk> coconut: i couldn't find the cursor on keyboard
[18:41] <_KaszpiR_> arrow keys?
[18:41] <coconut> yeah, sorry meant arrow
[18:41] <_KaszpiR_> get better keyboard
[18:41] <ankk> they put A B C D characters
[18:42] <ankk> are these really normal behavior?
[18:43] <ankk> hmm they are virtual
[18:51] <cncr04s> any reason upon boot the physical 'console' hangs. system is up over ssh though.
[18:54] <lordcirth> cncr04s, define "hangs". Is it all black? Showing systemd boot? A login prompt?
[18:54] <ankk> cursor blink?
[19:03] <sentiment> anyone? I just tried playing anotehr video and the gpu temp started to go up
[19:10] <ankk> is there a way to "not combine" terminals on favorites bar ? what bar is it?
[19:13] <cloaked1> Hey all. So is the repo https://github.com/juju an official Canonical repo? I'm being told that it's not but it seems to at least be a properly canonical-sanctioned repo at least. Anyone able to answer that?
[19:17] <leftyfb> cloaked1: it's not
[19:17] <leftyfb> cloaked1: Canonical uses launchpad for it's codebase
[19:21] <nacc> no, juju is on github
[19:21] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/juju-core
[19:21] <nacc> (cf the text there, that is)
[19:33] <Irc2k_> Hello Everyone :)
[19:33] <Irc2k_> does Ubuntu still collect data from the computer in the background? Even when privacy is turned off?
[19:34] <Irc2k_> Yes I just read an article on this a while back
[19:34] <Irc2k_> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-data-collection-opt-out
[19:34] <Irc2k_> Can anyone please confirm this?
[19:35] <Irc2k_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYvBhXL2HOo
[19:37] <cloaked1> ugh
[19:37] <cloaked1> my client died
[19:39] <NetTerminalGene> hey guys. can i know what is the UBUNTU_CODENAME for 18.04 here? [arch=amd64] https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/ $UBUNTU_CODENAME main
[19:39] <nacc> NetTerminalGene: bionic
[19:39] <NetTerminalGene> nacc, thanks
[19:42] <ash_worksi> is there any reason I can't delete lines directly from .bash_history?
[19:42] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, like using a text editor? You can.
[19:43] <ash_worksi> woot
[19:43] <ash_worksi> thanks lordcirth
[19:43] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, however, .bash_history gets loaded by bash, then written back when you close bash
[19:44] <lordcirth> So you may need to use the "history" command to stop that
[19:49] <ash_worksi> lordcirth: hmm
[19:49] <ash_worksi> hopefully I didn't corrupt something
[19:50] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, it won't get corrupted, it'll just put that line back when you next close a terminal, if that terminal was open when you deleted it
[19:56] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: you might also be interested in the fact that if you start a command with a space, it won't be logged to history
[19:59] <lordcirth> Indeed. Also, if you want temporary history but not written to disk, "unset $HISTFILE"
[20:04] <akem> What is the command to start Ubuntu application store from the CLI?
[20:05] <Gerowen> akem: gnome-software
[20:05] <akem> Thanks Gerowen.
[20:06] <OerHeks> why from cli?
[20:07] <akem> OerHeks, because i'm on fluxbox.
[20:17] <cncr04s> lordcirth: its showing noral bootup information, then it just blinks a cursor
[20:17] <cncr04s> upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04
[20:17] <lordcirth> cncr04s, ok, what's the last line?
[20:18] <lordcirth> cncr04s, you *just* upgraded? or was it working before?
[20:18] <cncr04s> I just upgraded, ive rebooted a few times since then though, same issue let me get an image for you
[20:20] <cncr04s> https://i.gyazo.com/86916388ac28c5d7ba3d4bd7e3952a73.jpg
[20:20] <cncr04s> ssh is fine and its up
[20:20] <ppf_> cncr04s: then check your lightdm and xorg logs
[20:22] <cncr04s> if your interested, https://i.gyazo.com/6c3f981f441cc5f82cdb10d7ff1c3760.png   -  orginal issue that after hours I determined that 14.04 no longer supports mdadm raid for whatever reason, upgraded to 16.04 via chroot, its working now, after much work
[20:31] <Soni> what are official flavors?
[20:31] <ppf_> Soni: xubuntu, lubuntu, etc
[20:31] <Soni> kubuntu?
[20:31] <vimar> Hi
[20:32] <ppf_> Soni: ya
[20:33] <vimar> I use Xubuntu, I do like nice but not to fancy stuff ego minimalistic
[20:35] <Soni> what's the difference between those and ubuntu-server+some DE?
[20:37] <Sleaker> Soni: just that they have pre-bundled software with them and a rebranded ISO.
[20:38] <Sleaker> Soni: everything is available from apt and can be installed from a meta package on a server install.
[20:39] <Soni> is it easy to switch between official flavors?
[20:39] <TJ-> !flavours | Soni
[20:42] <Soni> is it hard to convert an existing ubuntu to a kubuntu or vice-versa?
[20:43] <lordcirth> Soni, you can install kubuntu-desktop. It should do what you want, but might not be identical.
[20:44] <NetTerminalGene> anyone here use brave browser here? did you like it?
[20:45] <leftyfb> NetTerminalGene: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:56] <hggdh> Soni: you do not actually "convert". You just install another DE, and then you will have *both* (with the option of selecting one during login). To completely replace, the best option is a re-install.
[21:06] <Mondo> Good afternoon, all
[21:14] <NetTerminalGene> i remember something like ubuntu 18.04 will be supported 10 years. is it true?
[21:16] <jeremy31> NetTerminalGene: yes but that may only be useful for server platforms
[21:17] <Mondo> If that's true, why call it LTS?
[21:18] <sarnold> NetTerminalGene: it's nuanced -- five years of standard support free of charge, followed by five years of extended support available for purchase https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases https://buy.ubuntu.com/
[21:18] <OerHeks> NetTerminalGene, yes, 5 year community and 5 year paid
[21:20] <NetTerminalGene> i see
[21:20] <Mondo> When does the community support run out? 19 isn't LTS yet
[21:20] <Mondo> Unless I missed something
[21:20] <jeremy31> Mondo: 19 wont be LTS, next one is 20.04
[21:20] <OerHeks> !lts
[21:20] <OerHeks> next will be 20.04
[21:21] <OerHeks> but you can find that yourself easily
[21:21] <Mondo> I'm looking at 19.04 and it says that it only has 9 months of support
[21:21] <Mondo> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[21:21] <dax> that's how long non-LTS releases get support for, yes
[21:21] <NetTerminalGene> Mondo, yes. that's not lts
[21:21] <Mondo> So... LTS releases are every other one?
[21:22] <dax> LTS releases are April in even-numbered years
[21:22] <dax> ubuntu releases twice a year
[21:22] <ppf_> so every fourth
[21:22] <dax> ^
[21:22] <NetTerminalGene> not every fourth
[21:22] <dax> yes every fourth
[21:22] <NetTerminalGene> 17ç04 was lts?
[21:22] <NetTerminalGene> 17.04
[21:23] <dax> every fourth release, not every .04 release
[21:23] <NetTerminalGene> 16.04 was lts
[21:23] <NetTerminalGene> ah i see
[21:23] <sarnold> no, 10.04, 12.04, 14.04, 16.05, 18.04, 20.04, etc
[21:23] <jeremy31> every fourth release, better is to say the 04 release in even years, 2016, 2018, 2020
[21:23] <sarnold> that skips three releases, eg 12.10, 13.04, 13.10; LTS; 14.10, 15.04, 15.10; LTS ...
[21:25] <Mondo> If I'm not interested in "bleeding edge" and prefer stability, then upgrade to the LTS version that releases every fourth release. Correct?
[21:25] <NetTerminalGene> right
[21:26] <Mondo> Ah! Thanks. :)
[21:30] <Mondo> To those whom were helping me dig out of an extremely deep hole yesterday, my sound is working. If I wait about 20 seconds before using it! I'm not sure what the delay is, but I'm just happy to get it running.
[21:30] <Mondo> Once again - many, many thinks to you all for your steadfast patience with this noob!
[21:47] <romulo> Hello, I installed ubuntu 19.04 on a new high end computer I bought, with a Gigabyte Aorus Extreme Gaming 7, 128GB of RAM, a Seagate Firecude (2TB) for / and a samsung evo 970 for computing. We are using this machine as a high end computing machine for an application we make on our lab. The problem is that when the application allocates too much memory, I start to see "attemp to access beyond the end of device" on dmesg. After that
[21:47] <romulo> I can´t even reboot (unless) manual. There is any way to prevent that?
[21:48] <TJ-> I've got a laptop alongside me with an QC/Atheros Wifi I'm trying to install 19.04 desktop to. It keeps reporting the passphrase is incorrect for connecting to the network, or that no passphrase was given. I've checked the passphrase is correct in NM's connnection psk=. The AP is on 2.4G, channel 9, the laptop sees it with 69/70 signal quality. The QCA/Atheros module using ath55 doesn't require firmware. Any
[21:48] <TJ-> ideas on solving this?
[21:48] <TJ-> ^ath5k
[21:50] <jeremy31> TJ-:  Is TKIP being used on the AP?
[21:50] <TJ-> NM log shows wpa_supplicant repeatedly doing scanning -> authenticating -> associating -> disconnected
[21:50] <TJ-> jeremy31: no, CCMP I think
[21:50] <azx> so guys if i get a deb file and install it
[21:50] <azx> will it overwrite my existing version already installed from repo
[21:51] <xamithan> Sure
[21:51] <azx> thanks!
[21:51] <jeremy31> TJ-: Most Atheros hate TKIP and wifi power management
[21:51] <xamithan> Unless for some reason it installs a binary with a different name
[21:52] <TJ-> jeremy31: I'll check the power; thanks
[21:53] <TJ-> jeremy31: iw reports power_save: off
[21:54] <jeremy31> TJ-: check iwlist scan
[21:56] <azx> it did not work
[21:57] <jack> sah
[21:59] <JackIsHere> allo
[21:59] <azx> xamithian: installed the virtualbox deb and get this error https://pastebin.com/5RadsxEg
[21:59] <azx> it's conflicting with older vbox installation
[22:00] <xamithan> Looks like it wants you to install the kernel modules package too
[22:01] <xamithan> Why aren't you just using the virtualbox Repo if that is the software you want?
[22:06] <JackIsHere> anyone here using linux mint
[22:06] <JackIsHere> ?
[22:07] <OerHeks> JackIsHere, no, the mint support is on an other irc network
[22:07] <OerHeks> !mint
[22:07] <jeremy31> JackIsHere: Sounds offtopic for this channel, you can try ##linuxmint or in #linuxmint-chat or #linuxmint-help on spotchat IRC
[22:08] <JackIsHere> okay, sorry. was just currious
[22:08] <JackIsHere> thanks for pointing me in the right direction though
[22:09] <TJ-> jeremy31: doesn't want to connect using WPS eiher; very strange
[22:15] <jeremy31> TJ-: Those cards are fairly old, I haven't seen many questions about them
[22:18] <TJ-> jeremy31: no, I'm quite surprised by this! wpa_supplicant is reporting "denied association" and "status=18" though not discovered what 18 is as yet
[22:19] <TJ-> ooo I wonder if its the hardware encryption and needs disabling in the module! *runs over to the other PC
[22:19] <jeremy31> nohwcrypt=1?
[22:20] <jeremy31> TJ-: sudo modprobe -r ath5k && sudo modprobe ath5k nohwcrypt=N
[22:23] <shibboleth> offtopic, sure, but: any word on when #linux are gonna get their... thumbs out their ear with regard to tor-sasl?
[22:24] <TJ-> jeremy31: it didn't help
[22:25] <TJ-> jeremy31: 1 diff I see the NM in the Live doing is setting auth-alg=open, which my other systems don't have
[22:25] <jeremy31> TJ-: see https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 and post termbin URL
[22:27] <TJ-> jeremy31: you obviously believe sneakernet is higher bandwdith than I do! That PC is isolated, has no network... obviously :)
[22:29] <sudoISS> So, if `sudo adduser username` creates the user "username", wouldn't `sudo adduser username groupname` make "groupname" "username"'s primary group?
[22:30] <hggdh> sudoISS: no, it will just add the group to the user
[22:30] <sudoISS> ...add the user to the group?
[22:31] <hggdh> (actually, add the user to the group)
[22:31] <hggdh> yes
[22:31] <jeremy31> TJ-: not connected to ethernet?
[22:31] <sudoISS> Okay.
[22:31] <sudoISS> Trying to do some good user management here, do you know of any good resources for that?
[22:32] <TJ-> jeremy31: no
[22:33] <hggdh> sudoISS: most DEs will have a place to add users and groups. But they usually are quite simplistic
[22:33] <jeremy31> TJ-: Is the AP set up as N only or B/G/N
[22:33] <hggdh> sudoISS: I am unaware of any other option (but, then I either have not many users on my machines, or I am at work, where a different group does that
[22:34] <b1ack0p> what s the default icon size on ubuntu dock ?
[22:34] <sudoISS> Oh - I'm using ubuntu server. :P
[22:36] <MarkB2> Within the past day or so, apt update installed Firefox 67.something .  This morning it worked fine.  This afternoon Firefox starts up and says, "You've started an old version of Firefox.  This might corrupt your bookmarks.  Start with a new profile?"
[22:38] <MarkB2> So I clicked 'okay' (I'm not looking at it at the moment)... and it promptly destroyed all my bookmarks, all my applets, just wiped out $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/name_of_profile_directory .
[22:38] <OerHeks> b1ack0p, if you remove ~/.cache/gnome-control-center then you would see the defaults again
[22:38] <b1ack0p> OerHeks: how can i remove that?
[22:39] <MarkB2> While I realize Firefox is, of course, not a Canonical product, the update did come through apt-get update  .
[22:39] <OerHeks> it is a hidden folder in your /home/ folder
[22:40] <MarkB2> I do have a backup of that profile directory... but do not know how to get Firefox to use it without it spitting up the "old version of firefox" message.
[22:40] <b1ack0p> in ~/.cache/gnome-control-center there are 2 folders 1. wacom 2. WebKitCache
[22:40] <OerHeks> MarkB2, the latest update was because of wrecking the profile .. maybe this is just precaution?
[22:41] <MarkB2> The latest update was *because* the previous release wrecked the profile?
[22:41] <sarnold> MarkB2: before taking any drastic steps could you file a bug report about this? ubuntu-bug firefox
[22:41] <OerHeks> jups
[22:41] <sarnold> yeah
[22:42] <MarkB2> Thats... thats... thats braindamaged.  If the previous release wrecks profiles and the new release didn't at least offer to un-break it.. or something...
[22:42] <sarnold> previous ones didn't break anything..
[22:43] <sarnold> they were just built on the builders out of 'order', so for folks that updated as normal, and then upgraded to the next release, a few of those folks hit the case where the new firefox was built hours before the old firefox, and it now checks for that or something.
[22:44] <sarnold> it should have been enough to just upgrade to a newer build to fix it
[22:44] <MarkB2> dpkg -l firefox reports current version is 67.0.1+build .
[22:44] <MarkB2> I just did an apt-get update and all packages are up to date.
[22:45] <sarnold> dpkg -l is annoying, you need to do dpkg -l | cat   to see the whole version number
[22:45] <TJ-> jeremy31: as far as I recall G/N but now you mention it I'll check
[22:46] <MarkB2> sarnold: Okay, did that.  Here's the version: 67.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[22:48] <MarkB2> brb... need to be afk for a few minutes.
[22:53] <MarkB2> Now, I'm slightly confused.  The previous (whatever was before 67.0.1 broke profiles.  But I ran that ever since it came out and it was fine.  Now the 67.0.1 release pops out, wipes out that profile directory, and offers to "start me off fresh".
[22:54] <MarkB2> But I have a backup of that directory.
[22:54] <MarkB2> In my view, 67.0.1 is borked.
[22:55] <jeremy31> MarkB2: You might want to do an internet search on that version.  I think I have seen similar issues online
[22:55] <MarkB2> jeremy31: I think that's a great idea.  I've always wanted to try out alternative web browsers.
[22:56] <jeremy31> MarkB2: if you search on that version, you might find a solution.  I don't use Firefox
[22:57] <sarnold> I just upgraded from firefox (67.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1) over (67.0+build2-0ubuntu0.18.04.1)
[22:58] <sarnold> it restarted fine
[22:58] <Sysifoss> Hello, I seem to have broken plymouth on my computer and cant figure out how to get the ubuntu splash to work again.
[22:59] <MarkB2> sarnold: Perhaps I should uninstall Firefox and reinstall?
[23:00] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: What is passed to the kerenl for booting ? ` cat /proc/cmdline ` .
[23:00] <sarnold> MarkB2: maybe; it seems unlikely to help, to me, but at least it's easy to try
[23:01] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.18.0-21-generic root=UUID=ffe7f145-4e6b-44da-a9fb-aa2150d74393 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[23:02] <MarkB2> There is a later release than -1.  It's now up to 67.0-2
[23:02] <MarkB2> And it's a snap.
[23:02] <kibibyte> hi
[23:04] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: Hummm .. that says you should see the plymoth splash screen. Will take one smarter than I to know why not :(
[23:04] <sarnold> MarkB2: note the 67.0+ vs 67.0.1+  -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+publishinghistory
[23:05] <MarkB2> The snap install failed.
[23:05] <kibibyte> does ubuntu seek for remote workers
[23:06] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: I was trying to change my plymouth theme. Before when I ran 'update-alternatives --config default.plymouth' it gave me options. Now it says default.plymouth is dangling.
[23:06] <sarnold> MarkB2: if you want to keep trying snap, head to #snappy with that failure
[23:06] <Sysifoss> I think I just did something stupid while trying to change themes
[23:06] <sarnold> kibibyte: 95% percent of canonical employees work from home
[23:07] <kibibyte> sarnold, ok how to get into it
[23:07] <sarnold> kibibyte: the list of current openings is on https://www.canonical.com/careers
[23:08] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: Oh ! missing a symlink ... Lemme see what I can find .. Be tougher here as I do not have plymouth any longer.
[23:08] <MarkB2> sarnold: This is classic.  The firefox snap starts up.. then blows its brains out because it wants wads of stuff from packages that aren't installed.  I thought snaps were supposed to fix that...
[23:08] <sarnold> MarkB2: o_O that is surprising indeed :(
[23:09] <MarkB2> Oh joy.  Now I can't remove it 'cause it's a snap.. and it did something to Ubuntu on the way in.
[23:10] <TJ-> jeremy31: AP isn't entirely clear if it is enabling combined b/g/n or not, just has an option for the bandwith (20 or 40) and another to set the sideband
[23:10] <TJ-> jeremy31: I just tested it totally open and that stil fails to connect
[23:10] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: I appreciate any help so dont stress too much. I couldnt get my computer to find the command plymouth-set-default-theme so I followed different instructions and I think thats what really messed me up.
[23:11] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: Well .. let's start here ` ls -al /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth ` . See where it points to :)
[23:11] <jeremy31> TJ-:  I checked and ath5k only supports b/g
[23:12] <TJ-> well the driver is reporting it supports HT
[23:12] <TJ-> jeremy31: but it still won't connect to 20Mhz open, so something weird is going on
[23:12] <Sysifoss> it says this in red: /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth -> /usr/share/plymouth/themes/mysplash/mysplash.plymouth
[23:13] <jeremy31> TJ-: maybe swap it for a cheap Intel b/g/n
[23:13] <MarkB2> sarnold: If I install Firefox from Mozilla....
[23:14] <Sysifoss> whoops: Bashing-om ^
[23:15] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: So it's pointing to the one I tried to install that didnt work. I thought that after removing that I'd be able to run config and choose the ubuntu one again :/
[23:16] <MarkB2> sarnold: So now I don't have a web browser.  By chance, do you know the name of Mozilla's FTP server?
[23:17] <sarnold> MarkB2: ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
[23:17] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: And does the target exist > ' ls -al /usr/share/plymouth/themes/mysplash/mysplash.plymouth ' ?
[23:18] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: It did not anymore! I just created the file it was pointing to again and ran the config command and it worked!
[23:18] <MarkB2> sarnold: timeout. No response.
[23:18] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: So I set it to the ubuntu one again. Is there a way to check that it will work without rebooting.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: Outstanding : you do good work :P
[23:19] <sarnold> MarkB2: hrmph. my firefox loaded it fine ;( I wonder why it worked by ftp ftp didn't work :(
[23:19] <hggdh> MarkB2: works for me. Perhaps you have a firewall in place?
[23:19] <MarkB2> Argh.  More like Comcast blocking.
[23:19] <sarnold> MarkB2: OH! it didn't work for my in firefox either, it just was showing me content from http://ftp.mozilla.org :(
[23:19] <sarnold> stupid browsers
[23:19] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: I guess the best way to know is re-boot and see ?
[23:20] <MarkB2> ftp.mozilla.org maps to a cloudfront.net address.
[23:20] <MarkB2> I can ping it.
[23:20] <sarnold> MarkB2: you could use w3m, it's not real pretty but it works great :)
[23:20] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: I wouldnt have known to check it as a link and see that it was just straight up broken without your help. Thanks a bunch! I'll reboot and be back with results in a couple minutes.
[23:20] <hggdh> sarnold: it worked for me on both ffox and chromium
[23:22] <sarnold> hggdh: *weird*. I can't get it to work from my AWS machine either
[23:22] <MarkB2> w3m is loaded in ubuntu 18.04 (or I don't remember installing it).  Never seen it before.
[23:22] <sarnold> $ ftp ftp.mozilla.org
[23:22] <sarnold> ftp: connect: Connection timed out
[23:22] <MarkB2> sarnold: THAT'S the response *I* got.
[23:24] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: WOooo
[23:24] <Sysifoss> Bashing-om: it's back! Thank you so much!
[23:24] <Bashing-om> Sysifoss: :D
[23:24] <hggdh> sarnold: OTOH, https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/README.txt says we should use, instead, https://download.mozilla.org (it actually suggests using a more complete URL, with fill-in-what-you-need)
[23:25] <MarkB2> sarnold: Now this is truly amusing.  am using w3m and Mozilla-Land refuses to give me the file 'cause I'm running an insecure operating system.
[23:26] <MarkB2> lynx is more friendly than that.
[23:27] <MarkB2> Wow.  Lynx is just sailing through this.
[23:27] <MarkB2> Shazam!
[23:27] <hggdh> sarnold: they blocked standard ftp, only via http?
[23:28] <hggdh> nah, in the browser. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org works
[23:29] <MarkB2> So the "official" release is 67.0.1 .  But there are 68.0x in the queue.
[23:29] <sarnold> hggdh: my guess is firefox falls back to http to try to be "helpful"
[23:30] <hggdh> MarkB2: these are beta. Kittens may die, your car tires m catch fire, etc
[23:30] <sarnold> MarkB2: I downloaded firefox from ftp.mozilla.org using w3m no problem
[23:30] <MarkB2> Oh more fun.  If I install this, it'll be outside the framework that Canonical uses for installing packages.
[23:30] <sarnold> yup
[23:35] <MarkB2> In 2017 I had to use a BFH on my boss who read the hype on snaps and was convinced the project I was running should use snaps.
[23:35] <MarkB2> I told him, "Over my dead body." and then the screaming started.
[23:36] <MarkB2> It was an embedded-Linux project, no connection to the Internet, and everything I read said that there was no way to stop the snap framework from trying to update a snap.
[23:37] <OerHeks> yes there is, disable snapd service
[23:37] <MarkB2> If it had tried then the customer's network would have detected an "intrusion" and there would have been a boatload of very pointy questions
[23:38] <MarkB2> Derheks: this was in 2017.  I think that was tried.. with the result of /var/log/syslog filling with error messages.
[23:38] <MarkB2> It was also Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit.
[23:56] <MarkB2> sarnold: Looks like I'm screwed.
[23:56] <MarkB2> Thank you, Mozilla.
[23:57] <sarnold> MarkB2: how so?
[23:57] <MarkB2> 67.0.1 claims the bookmarks are corrupted.
[23:58] <sarnold> hm. well, I guess that is a real possibility, that they are corrupted
[23:58] <MarkB2> Everything was working fine at 8 AM this morning.
[23:59] <FaTaL_G> I have ubuntu 16.04, when I do a apt-get upgrade, initramfs & grub often get hosed. (file space for example)