| HiDeHo | looking for a decent audio player. i have noticed Audacious has no library function. it is a playlist only browser unlewss i have gotten something wrong | 12:53 |
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| studio-user855 | Yo yo | 13:37 |
| studio-user855 | New user here. Not sure what this service is for yet exactly. Is this a chat room so-to-speak? | 13:38 |
| studio-user855 | This OS looks dope! Cannot wait to mess with the functionality once my install is complete. | 13:38 |
| studio-user855 | hello? | 13:39 |
| HiDeHo | hi how to actrivate my bluetooth its not detected and does not seem to work. | 13:53 |
| HiDeHo | hi all how do i setup and use a bluetooth devicce | 14:07 |
| HiDeHo | all bluetooth options are greyed out | 14:07 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: That sounds odd. What kind of bluetooth device? | 14:08 |
| HiDeHo | testing my bluetooth speaker | 14:08 |
| Eickmeyer | That might be why. Bluetooth speakers add latency to the lowlatency setup, and are therefore unsupported. | 14:08 |
| Eickmeyer | Like, massive amounts of latency. | 14:09 |
| HiDeHo | see http://i.imgur.com/HwTfy1r.png | 14:10 |
| HiDeHo | sao that should not make much difference. bluetooth speakers and headsets should work. and US should have tools to fix that issue | 14:10 |
| Eickmeyer | I see. Completely grayed out. | 14:11 |
| HiDeHo | i guess mainly old laptops bluetooth are really best for file sharing | 14:11 |
| HiDeHo | i bet if i had a bluetooth dongal it would work bnetter | 14:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Open a terminal and type "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth" | 14:11 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: That might be the issue too. Bluetooth 1.0 or 2.0 were only capable of so much. | 14:12 |
| HiDeHo | yea ok | 14:12 |
| HiDeHo | that sounds like it | 14:12 |
| HiDeHo | if i really need a bluetooth speaker i have a small headphone jack style bluetooth receaver mainly for making headphones bluetooth etc | 14:13 |
| Eickmeyer | That's probably a decent solution. | 14:14 |
| HiDeHo | yea | 14:14 |
| HiDeHo | it wasda just a test thanks for clarifying | 14:14 |
| Eickmeyer | You're welcome. | 14:14 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: Are you running 18.04? | 14:15 |
| Eickmeyer | Your screenshot suggests you haven't added the backports. | 14:15 |
| HiDeHo | i am starting to set this laptop up and am going to enjoy music and video production as well as a general use desktop | 14:15 |
| HiDeHo | well this is a new instawll as of 3 days ago | 14:15 |
| HiDeHo | Eickmeyer, how do i do that | 14:15 |
| HiDeHo | and why not done on first install | 14:16 |
| Eickmeyer | !ubuntustudio-backports | HiDeHo | 14:16 |
| ubottu | HiDeHo: The Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA is required for users of Ubuntu Studio to receive LTS support for Ubuntu Studio 18.04, and for #ubuntustudio to support users of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and its flavors using !jack. For more info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/BackportsPPA, !ubuntustudio-controls, and !ubuntustudio-installer | 14:16 |
| HiDeHo | well if they are required then they should be setup automatically | 14:16 |
| HiDeHo | yes i am on 18.04 for lts | 14:16 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: We can't go back and change the past. | 14:16 |
| HiDeHo | lol i know | 14:16 |
| Eickmeyer | When 18.04 was released, we were only able to sign-off on a 9-month support term. Without the backports, support ended in January. | 14:17 |
| HiDeHo | i see i prefer lts when i can | 14:17 |
| HiDeHo | so how do i add these lts backports | 14:17 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: The link I just provided has the instructions. | 14:18 |
| * HiDeHo goes to read the link ^ | 14:18 | |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: Here's the official statement: http://ubuntustudio.org/2019/04/ubuntu-studio-18-04-extended-support/ | 14:19 |
| HiDeHo | ok adding the backports now thanks man | 14:20 |
| Eickmeyer | You're welcome. | 14:20 |
| HiDeHo | first may i ask what the full upgrade option does | 14:20 |
| HiDeHo | is it just the same as the update manager | 14:21 |
| HiDeHo | if so i will hapily iinstall them | 14:21 |
| HiDeHo | Eickmeyer, | 14:22 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: full-upgrade just makes it so that you get what is in those packages and it removes packages that conflict/aren't needed anymore. | 14:24 |
| Eickmeyer | It wouldn't be in that link if it weren't needed/wasn't safe. I'm the one who wrote it. | 14:25 |
| HiDeHo | ok done thanks its doing its thing | 14:25 |
| HiDeHo | lol you amazing developer you | 14:25 |
| HiDeHo | my next goal is to work out how to rechord my song i want to do using the tools in US | 14:26 |
| Eickmeyer | I wrote the wiki article, not apt. XD | 14:26 |
| HiDeHo | i may have to wait a week or so to start but when i am on track i will | 14:26 |
| HiDeHo | lol i know | 14:26 |
| HiDeHo | Eickmeyer, i thought you where a dev for US | 14:26 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: I am, but mostly just packaging and stuff. None of us on the US team write every bit of code in it. In fact, what we have done is a small fraction of what is included. | 14:27 |
| HiDeHo | yes i know its a big team doing it all | 14:28 |
| HiDeHo | i understand how the basic idea works | 14:28 |
| Eickmeyer | I do lead the US project, but there's only about 3 of us consistently working on it with small contributions here and there. | 14:28 |
| HiDeHo | cool | 14:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Being part of the bigger Ubuntu whole is where the benefit lies. | 14:29 |
| HiDeHo | i also need to get other projects done too like i have an old Odroid U3 its a dmall dev board like a RaspberryPI | 14:29 |
| Eickmeyer | I have quite a bit of packaging work to do today for 19.10. | 14:29 |
| HiDeHo | i found that there was a currently maintained arch linux arm os for it. i had trouble installing and using it though | 14:30 |
| HiDeHo | ok cool | 14:30 |
| HiDeHo | LTS for the word. | 14:30 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, anything that gets worked on for 19.10 gets polished and solidified for 20.04 LTS, so that's what it's leading toward. | 14:30 |
| HiDeHo | you know how Linux mint os builds only on LTS base now and runs updates on that and ports newer stuff etc | 14:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, but they're not part of Ubuntu. There's a difference between being a derivitive and an official flavor. | 14:31 |
| HiDeHo | i like that build moto | 14:31 |
| HiDeHo | i thought US was not official | 14:31 |
| HiDeHo | ubuntu only supports their unity bloated versions | 14:32 |
| HiDeHo | as far as i remember they dropped official suppoirt for all other versions | 14:32 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: That's not true anymore. Ubuntu dropped Unity starting in 17.10. | 14:33 |
| Eickmeyer | Official flavors are Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Kylin, and Ubuntu Budgie. | 14:33 |
| HiDeHo | so xubuntu, edubuntu, kubuntu ubuntu studio where taken on and supported by the community who wantes to keep them going | 14:33 |
| HiDeHo | well then something must have changed over the years | 14:33 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: Except for Kubuntu, they were never directly supported by Canonical. | 14:33 |
| HiDeHo | i was a user of ubuntu untill gnome 3 | 14:34 |
| studiobot | <tsimonq2> @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Except for Kubuntu, they were never directly supported by Ca …], Yes they were | 14:34 |
| studiobot | <tsimonq2> Waaaay back in the day | 14:34 |
| Eickmeyer | studiobot: I was referring to the others, but Kubuntu was supported by Canonical. | 14:34 |
| HiDeHo | i remember ubuntu officially said they wherfe dropping all support for any distro appart from unity | 14:34 |
| Eickmeyer | er, @tsimonq2 ^ | 14:34 |
| studiobot | <tsimonq2> ohhh | 14:35 |
| HiDeHo | thats when i switched to mint | 14:35 |
| HiDeHo | as my main os | 14:35 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: Official flavors are community supported, but are still part of Ubuntu, whereas Mint is not. | 14:35 |
| Eickmeyer | !flavors | 14:36 |
| ubottu | Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours | 14:36 |
| Eickmeyer | !mint | 14:36 |
| ubottu | The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) | 14:36 |
| HiDeHo | from my rusty memory ubuntu said they would maintain the base os and leave other community builders to build the other flavors while they worked on unity | 14:36 |
| Eickmeyer | HiDeHo: Yes, but Unity was dropped. | 14:36 |
| Eickmeyer | They use GNOME now. | 14:36 |
| HiDeHo | oh oik i never knew that | 14:37 |
| HiDeHo | so what happenjed after unity was dropped. | 14:37 |
| HiDeHo | did ubuntu team go back to the old model | 14:37 |
| HiDeHo | gnome 3 is also bloated in itself | 14:37 |
| Eickmeyer | It's still maintained by a small community, and can be installed, but it's no longer part of any Ubuntu ISO at the moment. | 14:37 |
| HiDeHo | ubuntu 8.04LTS was the most stable reliable ubuntu os i ever used | 14:38 |
| Eickmeyer | There was a huge announcement about all of this in 2017. | 14:38 |
| HiDeHo | it was all gnome 2 | 14:38 |
| HiDeHo | gnome 2 was falked to mate desktop and continues as that | 14:38 |
| HiDeHo | okl i as focusing on mint then | 14:39 |
| HiDeHo | decided i needed to keep things simpler and easier for myself. | 14:39 |
| HiDeHo | since i want to get back into my music production adn this old laptop workes again i am trialing US adn if i can do what i need then i wil stick with it and leave mint again. | 14:40 |
| HiDeHo | when gnome 2 went eol i moved to xfce | 14:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, let's stay on-topic in this channel. | 14:40 |
| HiDeHo | my main is have been mint xfce and puppy linux | 14:41 |
| HiDeHo | oh sorry | 14:41 |
| HiDeHo | yes i have updated to backports now | 14:41 |
| HiDeHo | after that has instawll do i need to run the software updater | 14:41 |
| HiDeHo | or is that done | 14:41 |
| Eickmeyer | It's done. | 14:42 |
| Eickmeyer | I'd log-out and log-in. You probably saw a bit of a user interface change. | 14:42 |
| HiDeHo | and am i corect to assume the the software updater in US is automatic | 14:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, it'll notify you, but not necessarily install without your permission. | 14:42 |
| HiDeHo | yyes col thanks | 14:43 |
| HiDeHo | thats all i mneed to know atm thanks | 14:43 |
| HiDeHo | will reboot then i need totake a break thaks man | 14:43 |
| Eickmeyer | You're welcome. | 14:44 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: there is no alsa bluetooth. There once was, but is no longer supported snd seems to not work any more. Blue tooth audio _should_ work through pulse though. | 19:14 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Yes, true, but they couldn't get anything in the menu. | 19:14 |
| Eickmeyer | Check the imgur image. | 19:15 |
| OvenWerks | not dissagreeing, just pointing out that for "pro" audio it is just not there to begin with. | 19:15 |
| OvenWerks | so for example, I don't know how a bluetooth speaker would be able to monitor a jack output. | 19:18 |
| OvenWerks | it would seem to require a pulse "pass through" Or maybe more routing is available through pactl | 19:20 |
| OvenWerks | I don't see either hdmi or bluetooth being effective jack masters. I do not know how well zita-ajbridge would handle hdmi either with its very large latency. | 19:22 |
| OvenWerks | I am currently not using hdmi anywhere and so cannot test. | 19:23 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: I just consider it a bad idea to begin with for our purposes. | 19:26 |
| OvenWerks | I would like to see a bluetooth jack client/bridge | 19:34 |
| OvenWerks | At least for output | 19:34 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: with regard to PA bluetooth and jack via controls... | 19:44 |
| OvenWerks | controls unloads the udev device detection. This may affect bluetooth. | 19:45 |
| Eickmeyer | Ah, yes, but I have no problem with bluetooth mice and such. | 19:47 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: ^ | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | It does appear that pactl can connect arbitrary sources to arbitrary sinks though | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | bluetooth audio is the only thing pa deals with and it is within PA we remove the udev module | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | So if the same user shows again... my question is if BT headset works with jack off which reloads udev detection. | 19:57 |
| TJ- | best thing is "bluetoothctl" and "list" and then check the controller is present and active with "show" | 19:59 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: if BT doesn't work with jack off, it should be listed as a pulseaudio bug | 19:59 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Agreed. | 20:00 |
| studiobot | <gennargiu> hi all comunity ubuntu studio... i have a problem with installation ubuntu studio 18.04.2 and 19.04 in dual boot windows 10 | 21:29 |
| studiobot | <gennargiu> (Photo, 847x350) https://i.imgur.com/UyXWCRe.jpg | 21:29 |
| studiobot | <gennargiu> my computer is old hp elite 8200 sff and windows 10 is installed in uefi mode with table partition gpt | 21:30 |
| studiobot | <gennargiu> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://i.imgur.com/DI9iLAy.jpg | 21:36 |
| studiobot | <gennargiu> i have a reduce partition windows 10 in 910 gigabyte for ubuntu studio,but installation in uefi mode on jetflash usb of 8 giga don't finish installation for error grub. | 21:39 |
| studiobot | <azbulutlu> I have my user hat on this. as this is something that sometimes shows up on ubuntu installs on uefi (I had it happen on my current laptop) | 21:48 |
| studiobot | <azbulutlu> there is some suggestions online for various laptop models, but my suggestion is to go to ubuntu support with this, as it is not a flavor specific issue. | 21:51 |
| windowli_ | 'lo all | 22:29 |
| windowli_ | im quite excited about installing ubuntu studio on my dell inspiron 7352 2-in-1 but i find that xfce doesnt allow me much control when i have it in touchscreen tablet mode.. will it be ok to install gnome over top of xfce or will it negate the optimizations ? | 22:30 |
| OvenWerks | do it the other way around I think | 22:30 |
| OvenWerks | install a gnome based desktop and then install ubuntustudio-installer | 22:31 |
| windowli_ | ohhh didnt realize i could do this! | 22:31 |
| windowli_ | thank you | 22:31 |
| OvenWerks | Any ubuntu flavour should work | 22:31 |
| windowli_ | and that will also install the realtime kernel? | 22:32 |
| studiobot | <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | 22:32 |
| OvenWerks | It can yes | 22:32 |
| windowli_ | cool | 22:32 |
| Eickmeyer | !ubuntustudio-installer | 22:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu Studio Installer is an app that can be used to add Ubuntu Studio's benefits to an existing Ubuntu (or official flavor) installation, or add additional packages. For more info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioInstaller | 22:32 |
| Eickmeyer | !realtime | 22:32 |
| Eickmeyer | !rt | 22:32 |
| ubottu | the RT kernel is the Linux kernel with a realtime preemption patch applied. It is not available in Ubuntu. See also !lowlatency | 22:32 |
| Eickmeyer | !lowlatency | 22:33 |
| ubottu | The lowlatency kernel is a special Ubuntu kernel build with modifications for systems which require low latency when communicating with some hardware, such as some Audio devices. Included with Ubuntu Studio by default. | 22:33 |
| Eickmeyer | windowli_: ^ | 22:33 |
| windowli_ | very cool, thanks yall | 22:33 |
| windowli_ | though i should have asked this 5 mins earlier beacuse im typing from the install :) but thats ok, ive got some time on my hands today | 22:35 |
| Eickmeyer | windowli_: For the standard GNOME-based Ubuntu, you can also install ubuntustudio-gnome-branding to get all of the theming that is normally on the Xfce install too. | 22:35 |
| windowli_ | ahhh this is great information, thank you. | 22:36 |
| Eickmeyer | It doesn't apply automatically, but it works. | 22:36 |
| windowli_ | cool, install is finished. thanks a lot! | 22:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Quite welcome. :) | 22:36 |
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