[12:53] <HiDeHo> looking for a decent audio player. i have noticed Audacious has no library function. it is a playlist only browser unlewss i have gotten something wrong
[13:37] <studio-user855> Yo yo
[13:38] <studio-user855> New user here. Not sure what this service is for yet exactly. Is this a chat room so-to-speak?
[13:38] <studio-user855> This OS looks dope! Cannot wait to mess with the functionality once my install is complete.
[13:39] <studio-user855> hello?
[13:53] <HiDeHo> hi how to actrivate my bluetooth its not detected and does not seem to work.
[14:07] <HiDeHo> hi all how do i setup and use a bluetooth devicce
[14:07] <HiDeHo> all bluetooth options are greyed out
[14:08] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: That sounds odd. What kind of bluetooth device?
[14:08] <HiDeHo> testing my bluetooth speaker
[14:08] <Eickmeyer> That might be why. Bluetooth speakers add latency to the lowlatency setup, and are therefore unsupported.
[14:09] <Eickmeyer> Like, massive amounts of latency.
[14:10] <HiDeHo> see http://i.imgur.com/HwTfy1r.png
[14:10] <HiDeHo> sao that should not make much difference. bluetooth speakers and headsets should work. and US should have tools to fix that issue
[14:11] <Eickmeyer> I see. Completely grayed out.
[14:11] <HiDeHo> i guess mainly old laptops bluetooth are really best for file sharing
[14:11] <HiDeHo> i bet if i had a bluetooth dongal it would work bnetter
[14:11] <Eickmeyer> Open a terminal and type "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth"
[14:12] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: That might be the issue too. Bluetooth 1.0 or 2.0 were only capable of so much.
[14:12] <HiDeHo> yea ok
[14:12] <HiDeHo> that sounds like it
[14:13] <HiDeHo> if i really need a bluetooth speaker i have a small headphone jack style bluetooth receaver mainly for making headphones bluetooth etc
[14:14] <Eickmeyer> That's probably a decent solution.
[14:14] <HiDeHo> yea
[14:14] <HiDeHo> it wasda just a test thanks for clarifying
[14:14] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome.
[14:15] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Are you running 18.04?
[14:15] <Eickmeyer> Your screenshot suggests you haven't added the backports.
[14:15] <HiDeHo> i am starting to set this laptop up and am going to enjoy music and video production as well as a general use desktop
[14:15] <HiDeHo> well this is a new instawll as of 3 days ago
[14:15] <HiDeHo> Eickmeyer, how do i do that
[14:16] <HiDeHo> and why not done on first install
[14:16] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports | HiDeHo
[14:16] <HiDeHo> well if they are required then they should be setup automatically
[14:16] <HiDeHo> yes i am on 18.04 for lts
[14:16] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: We can't go back and change the past.
[14:16] <HiDeHo> lol i know
[14:17] <Eickmeyer> When 18.04 was released, we were only able to sign-off on a 9-month support term. Without the backports, support ended in January.
[14:17] <HiDeHo> i see i prefer lts when i can
[14:17] <HiDeHo> so how do i add these lts backports
[14:18] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: The link I just provided has the instructions.
[14:18]  * HiDeHo goes to read the link ^ 
[14:19] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Here's the official statement: http://ubuntustudio.org/2019/04/ubuntu-studio-18-04-extended-support/
[14:20] <HiDeHo> ok adding the backports now thanks man
[14:20] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome.
[14:20] <HiDeHo> first may i ask what the full upgrade option does
[14:21] <HiDeHo> is it just the same as the update manager
[14:21] <HiDeHo> if so i will hapily iinstall them
[14:22] <HiDeHo> Eickmeyer,
[14:24] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: full-upgrade just makes it so that you get what is in those packages and it removes packages that conflict/aren't needed anymore.
[14:25] <Eickmeyer> It wouldn't be in that link if it weren't needed/wasn't safe. I'm the one who wrote it.
[14:25] <HiDeHo> ok done thanks its doing its thing
[14:25] <HiDeHo> lol you amazing developer you
[14:26] <HiDeHo> my next goal is to work out how to rechord my song i want to do using the tools in US
[14:26] <Eickmeyer> I wrote the wiki article, not apt. XD
[14:26] <HiDeHo> i may have to wait a week or so to start but when i am on track i will
[14:26] <HiDeHo> lol i know
[14:26] <HiDeHo> Eickmeyer, i thought you where a dev for US
[14:27] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: I am, but mostly just packaging and stuff. None of us on the US team write every bit of code in it. In fact, what we have done is a small fraction of what is included.
[14:28] <HiDeHo> yes i know its a big team doing it all
[14:28] <HiDeHo> i understand how the basic idea works
[14:28] <Eickmeyer> I do lead the US project, but there's only about 3 of us consistently working on it with small contributions here and there.
[14:28] <HiDeHo> cool
[14:29] <Eickmeyer> Being part of the bigger Ubuntu whole is where the benefit lies.
[14:29] <HiDeHo> i also need to get other projects done too like i have an old Odroid U3 its a dmall dev board like a RaspberryPI
[14:29] <Eickmeyer> I have quite a bit of packaging work to do today for 19.10.
[14:30] <HiDeHo> i found that there was a currently maintained arch linux arm os for it. i had trouble installing and using it though
[14:30] <HiDeHo> ok cool
[14:30] <HiDeHo> LTS for the word.
[14:30] <Eickmeyer> Well, anything that gets worked on for 19.10 gets polished and solidified for 20.04 LTS, so that's what it's leading toward.
[14:31] <HiDeHo> you know how Linux mint os builds only on LTS base now and runs updates on that and ports newer stuff etc
[14:31] <Eickmeyer> Yes, but they're not part of Ubuntu. There's a difference between being a derivitive and an official flavor.
[14:31] <HiDeHo> i like that build moto
[14:31] <HiDeHo> i thought US was not official
[14:32] <HiDeHo> ubuntu only supports their unity bloated versions
[14:32] <HiDeHo> as far as i remember they dropped official suppoirt for all other versions
[14:33] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: That's not true anymore. Ubuntu dropped Unity starting in 17.10.
[14:33] <Eickmeyer> Official flavors are Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Kylin, and Ubuntu Budgie.
[14:33] <HiDeHo> so xubuntu, edubuntu, kubuntu ubuntu studio where taken on and supported by the community who wantes to keep them going
[14:33] <HiDeHo> well then something must have changed over the years
[14:33] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Except for Kubuntu, they were never directly supported by Canonical.
[14:34] <HiDeHo> i was a user of ubuntu untill gnome 3
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Except for Kubuntu, they were never directly supported by Ca …], Yes they were
 Waaaay back in the day
[14:34] <Eickmeyer> studiobot: I was referring to the others, but Kubuntu was supported by Canonical.
[14:34] <HiDeHo> i remember ubuntu officially said they wherfe dropping all support for any distro appart from unity
[14:34] <Eickmeyer> er, @tsimonq2 ^
 ohhh
[14:35] <HiDeHo> thats when i switched to mint
[14:35] <HiDeHo> as my main os
[14:35] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Official flavors are community supported, but are still part of Ubuntu, whereas Mint is not.
[14:36] <Eickmeyer> !flavors
[14:36] <Eickmeyer> !mint
[14:36] <HiDeHo> from my rusty memory ubuntu said they would maintain the base os and leave other community builders to build the other flavors while they worked on unity
[14:36] <Eickmeyer> HiDeHo: Yes, but Unity was dropped.
[14:36] <Eickmeyer> They use GNOME now.
[14:37] <HiDeHo> oh oik i never knew that
[14:37] <HiDeHo> so what happenjed after unity was dropped.
[14:37] <HiDeHo> did ubuntu team go back to the old model
[14:37] <HiDeHo> gnome 3 is also bloated in itself
[14:37] <Eickmeyer> It's still maintained by a small community, and can be installed, but it's no longer part of any Ubuntu ISO at the moment.
[14:38] <HiDeHo> ubuntu 8.04LTS was the most stable reliable ubuntu os i ever used
[14:38] <Eickmeyer> There was a huge announcement about all of this in 2017.
[14:38] <HiDeHo> it was all gnome 2
[14:38] <HiDeHo> gnome 2 was falked to mate desktop and continues as that
[14:39] <HiDeHo> okl i as focusing on mint then
[14:39] <HiDeHo> decided i needed to keep things simpler and easier for myself.
[14:40] <HiDeHo> since i want to get back into my music production adn this old laptop workes again i am trialing US adn if i can do what i need then i wil stick with it and leave mint again.
[14:40] <HiDeHo> when gnome 2 went eol i moved to xfce
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> Well, let's stay on-topic in this channel.
[14:41] <HiDeHo> my main is have been mint xfce and puppy linux
[14:41] <HiDeHo> oh sorry
[14:41] <HiDeHo> yes i have updated to backports now
[14:41] <HiDeHo> after that has instawll do i need to run the software updater
[14:41] <HiDeHo> or is that done
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> It's done.
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> I'd log-out and log-in. You probably saw a bit of a user interface change.
[14:42] <HiDeHo> and am i corect to assume the the software updater in US is automatic
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> Yes, it'll notify you, but not necessarily install without your permission.
[14:43] <HiDeHo> yyes col thanks
[14:43] <HiDeHo> thats all i mneed to know atm thanks
[14:43] <HiDeHo> will reboot then i need totake a break thaks man
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome.
[19:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: there is no alsa bluetooth. There once was, but is no longer supported snd seems to not work any more. Blue tooth audio _should_ work through pulse though.
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, true, but they couldn't get anything in the menu.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> Check the imgur image.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> not dissagreeing, just pointing out that for "pro" audio it is just not there to begin with.
[19:18] <OvenWerks> so for example, I don't know how a bluetooth speaker would be able to monitor a jack output.
[19:20] <OvenWerks> it would seem to require a pulse "pass through" Or maybe more routing is available through pactl
[19:22] <OvenWerks> I don't see either hdmi or bluetooth being effective jack masters. I do not know how well zita-ajbridge would handle hdmi either with its very large latency.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> I am currently not using hdmi anywhere and so cannot test.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I just consider it a bad idea to begin with for our purposes.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> I would like to see a bluetooth jack client/bridge
[19:34] <OvenWerks> At least for output
[19:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: with regard to PA bluetooth and jack via controls...
[19:45] <OvenWerks> controls unloads the udev device detection. This may affect bluetooth.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> Ah, yes, but I have no problem with bluetooth mice and such.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[19:48] <OvenWerks> It does appear that pactl can connect arbitrary sources to arbitrary sinks though
[19:48] <OvenWerks> bluetooth audio is the only thing pa deals with and it is within PA we remove the udev module
[19:57] <OvenWerks> So if the same user shows again... my question is if BT headset works with jack off which reloads udev detection.
[19:59] <TJ-> best thing is "bluetoothctl" and "list" and then check the controller is present and active with "show"
[19:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if BT doesn't work with jack off, it should be listed as a pulseaudio bug
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Agreed.
 hi all comunity ubuntu studio... i have a problem with installation ubuntu studio 18.04.2 and 19.04 in dual boot windows 10
 (Photo, 847x350) https://i.imgur.com/UyXWCRe.jpg
 my computer is old hp elite 8200 sff and windows 10 is installed in uefi mode with table partition gpt
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://i.imgur.com/DI9iLAy.jpg
 i have a reduce partition windows 10 in 910 gigabyte for ubuntu studio,but installation in uefi mode on jetflash usb of 8 giga don't finish installation for error grub.
 I have my user hat on this. as this is something that sometimes shows up on ubuntu installs on uefi (I had it happen on my current laptop)
 there is some suggestions online for various laptop models, but my suggestion is to go to ubuntu support with this, as it is not a flavor specific issue.
[22:29] <windowli_> 'lo all
[22:30] <windowli_> im quite excited about installing ubuntu studio on my dell inspiron 7352 2-in-1 but i find that xfce doesnt allow me much control when i have it in touchscreen tablet mode.. will it be ok to install gnome over top of xfce or will it negate the optimizations ?
[22:30] <OvenWerks> do it the other way around I think
[22:31] <OvenWerks> install a gnome based desktop and then install ubuntustudio-installer
[22:31] <windowli_> ohhh didnt realize i could do this!
[22:31] <windowli_> thank you
[22:31] <OvenWerks> Any ubuntu flavour should work
[22:32] <windowli_> and that will also install the realtime kernel?
 !ubuntustudio-installer
[22:32] <OvenWerks> It can yes
[22:32] <windowli_> cool
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> !realtime
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> !rt
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> !lowlatency
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> windowli_: ^
[22:33] <windowli_> very cool, thanks yall
[22:35] <windowli_> though i should have asked this 5 mins earlier beacuse im typing from the install :) but thats ok, ive got some time on my hands today
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> windowli_: For the standard GNOME-based Ubuntu, you can also install ubuntustudio-gnome-branding to get all of the theming that is normally on the Xfce install too.
[22:36] <windowli_> ahhh this is great information, thank you.
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't apply automatically, but it works.
[22:36] <windowli_> cool, install is finished.  thanks a lot!
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> Quite welcome. :)