[06:18] <didrocks> good morning
[06:28] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[06:30] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:57] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:48] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:49] <Trevinho> morning crew!
[07:50] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, Trevinho
[07:50] <Trevinho> didrocks: hi!
[07:50] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hi Trevinho
[08:00] <marcustomlinson> Goeie môre didrocks duflu oSoMoN Trevinho
[08:00] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:02] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN, euro-Trevinho, marcustomlinson and willcooke
[08:02] <Laney> yo thar
[08:02] <willcooke> morning all
[08:02] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> morning Laney and willcooke
[08:03] <oSoMoN> mornin' marcustomlinson, duflu, Laney, willcooke
[08:04] <Laney> bloomin HECK it's wet
[08:04] <Laney> hi duflu marcustomlinson oSoMoN willcooke
[08:04]  * willcooke has a leak this morning 
[08:04] <willcooke> in the ceiling
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[08:06] <marcustomlinson> willcooke: that totally sucks...
[08:06] <seb128> hey again, looks like a disconnected earlier!
[08:07] <marcustomlinson> morning seb128
[08:07] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson Trevinho
[08:07] <seb128> lut didrocks oSoMoN
[08:07] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:07] <seb128> everyone had a good w.e (&monday)?
[08:07] <Laney> hi didrocks
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:08] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:08] <oSoMoN> leaks suck, good luck identifying and fixing it willcooke
[08:09] <Laney> moin seb128
[08:09] <Laney> what weekend?!?!?!
[08:09] <willcooke> Looks like its coming from around the bottom of an upstairs window then running down inside the wall.  Meh, nothing I can do about it now other than get a bucket.
[08:09] <Laney> grim
[08:09] <Laney> is it in the new bit?
[08:10] <oSoMoN> seb128, I slept a lot, sunbathed and had bbq, I think that qualifies as a good week-end :) you?
[08:10] <willcooke> Laney, yeah
[08:10] <willcooke> It can't rain all day, can it
[08:12] <Laney> you've done it now
[08:12] <willcooke> :D
[08:13] <duflu> Welcome back seb128
[08:15] <seb128> oSoMoN, w.e was good and relaxing, weather not that great here though
[08:16] <duflu> willcooke, the rain stopped briefly here, till you said that
[08:16] <willcooke> ha
[08:17] <duflu> But it's a novelty and I love it
[08:17] <duflu> If only I had fixed all the roof leaks in summer
[09:34] <Trevinho> Ah hey seb128
[09:35] <Trevinho> had good weekend?
[09:35] <seb128> hey Trevinho, quite good indeed, we are in France enjoying the nice food :)
[13:09] <seb128> Trevinho, we got called out on planet GNOME (https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2019/06/09/on-ubuntu-updates/) for still not having gnome-shell 3.32.2 SRUed to disco, do you think we should have done that SRU and dropped the ball?
[13:10] <seb128> Laney, same for glib?
[13:10] <seb128> I'm not blaming, I just wonder if we agree we are late/should aim at fixing that
[13:10] <seb128> or if we believe those updates are not that important and it's a bit unfair as a comment
[13:15] <Trevinho> seb128: hm IIRC the branch was prepared but blocked because of a regression mhmh
[13:16] <seb128> Trevinho, can you find the regression and comment on the blog with that data?
[13:16] <seb128> the regression reference*
[13:22] <Trevinho> seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.32.1-1ubuntu1~19.04.1 blocked as per https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/66c2476d86f4d697ff373f99f20c6134c6b5fab3
[13:29] <Laney> seb128: I don't need calling out, GLib is on the list and you can see that from my update on the hub
[13:30] <Laney> I'm not happy with the tone of those posts one little bit and I don't think we should be giving people the impression that ranting like that results in us jumping to a load of work
[13:32] <seb128> Laney, right, fair enough, there is a bit of true that we are not always on top of SRUing stable update but there was no need/point to call out on specifics
[13:32] <seb128> k, meeting
[13:32] <seb128> sorry a bit late
[13:32] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11
[13:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 11 13:32:43 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:33] <Laney> s/the hub/discourse/ 🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊
[13:33] <seb128> Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:33] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:33] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:34] <kenvandine> o/
[13:35] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[13:35] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> empty
[13:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:37] <seb128> out of the ones we already discussed previous week and that still need sorting out
[13:37] <seb128> bug #1786344
[13:37] <seb128> Gunnar nominated this one
[13:37] <seb128> I don't think it has enough heat to be rls tracked
[13:38] <seb128> I suggest assigning to Gunnar and deleting the bionic specific target
[13:38] <seb128> he can still pursue the SRUing
[13:38] <marcustomlinson> 👍🏻
[13:39] <seb128> k, next
[13:39] <seb128> bug #
[13:39] <seb128> bug #1734887
[13:40] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ do you think that is going to land in 3.30 serie?
[13:40] <Trevinho> let me see
[13:41] <Laney> does that affect whether we consider it rls?
[13:42] <seb128> I don't know
[13:42] <Trevinho> I think we can propose a cherry pick in case.
[13:42] <seb128> hum, /me ponders
[13:42]  * Laney thinks not
[13:42] <Laney> either we want to fix it or we don't
[13:42] <seb128> right
[13:42] <Trevinho> indeed if we consider important we can still do ourself
[13:42] <seb128> I think it would be nice to fix
[13:42] <seb128> but probably not important enough to be rls targetted
[13:43] <Trevinho> a list of nice to have if upstream agrees let's say
[13:43] <seb128> k, let's untarget it?
[13:43] <Laney> yes
[13:43] <seb128> thx
[13:43] <Laney> dunno why duflu is still doing that, did someone have a word?
[13:43] <Trevinho> I prepare the cherry pick anyways we'll see if it lands
[13:44] <seb128> I mentioned it to him, will do again
[13:44] <Laney> thx
[13:44] <seb128> that's it for bionic
[13:44] <seb128> #topic rls-cc-bugs
[13:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:45] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:45] <seb128> nothing to discuss, still the era thing unsorted and that capslock one
[13:45] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[13:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:45] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:46] <seb128> same, nothing new
[13:46] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:47] <seb128> the cups one was discussed previous week but I had forgotten to edit post meeting, done now
[13:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:47] <seb128> nothing unassigned there
[13:47] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:47] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:48] <seb128> tkamppeter, kenvandine, what's the status of sorting out the n-m autopkgtest regression post removal of those deprecated libs?
[13:49] <kenvandine> I'll check with Till, he's out today
[13:49] <seb128> thx
[13:50] <seb128> oSoMoN, the libreoffice one is something on your list?
[13:50] <Laney> I made a card for it
[13:50] <Laney> maybe check there first if you're going to be leading this section?
[13:50] <oSoMoN> there's this one test that's become flaky in eoan, it needs investigating
[13:50] <seb128> k
[13:50] <oSoMoN> in the meantime I’ve triggered a new test run
[13:50] <seb128> Laney, sorry, I didn't intend to "lead", I just though it would be the same as previous week so I asked directly about the n-m status
[13:51] <seb128> then there was 1 left, it seemed pointless to ask you to ask about that one only
[13:51] <seb128> thx for making the card, I try to be aware/handle that part better next time
[13:51] <Laney> ok, well I usually make the cards around meeting time, for reference
[13:51] <Laney> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/eoan/s390x
[13:51] <seb128> noted
[13:51] <Laney> that doesn't obviously say "flaky" to me by the way
[13:52] <Laney> more like new openjdk-lts might have impacted it
[13:52] <Laney> maybe we get lucky though
[13:52] <seb128> doookoooo
[13:52] <seb128> :p
[13:52] <seb128> but yeah, needs investigating
[13:52] <oSoMoN> Laney, look at older failures
[13:52] <seb128> thx oSoMoN Laney
[13:52] <xnox> seb128:  or like tdaitx  ;-)
[13:52] <Laney> I mean I see a few crosses
[13:52] <Laney> what do you mean?
[13:52] <Laney> anyway, if it's flaky...
[13:52] <Laney> ....
[13:53] <Laney> it shouldn't be
[13:53] <oSoMoN> indeed
[13:53] <oSoMoN> I'm filing a bug to not forget about it
[13:53] <Laney> cool
[13:53] <marcustomlinson> :)
[13:54] <Laney> there's a card too, such tracking
[13:54] <seb128> good, that's it for that section then
[13:54] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:54] <seb128> other topics?
[13:54] <didrocks> if a kind AA (not me) from ubuntu-desktop team could review grubzfs-testsuite, that would be awesome :)
[13:54] <didrocks> (ok, there is just one candidate matching that description :p)
[13:55] <Laney> kind?!?!?!?
[13:55] <didrocks> ahah
[13:55] <Laney> 😈
[13:55]  * Laney slaps self
[13:55] <seb128> lol
[13:55]  * seb128 gets the hint
[13:56] <seb128> didrocks, will do
[13:56] <didrocks> thx ;)
[13:56] <seb128> other topics? ;)
[13:56] <Laney> network-manager on bionic, gnome-shell on disco
[13:56] <Laney> are those well handled (particularly the first one) or do people need help?
[13:56] <Trevinho> should we organize for guadec?
[13:56] <Trevinho> g-s is fine
[13:57] <seb128> kenvandine, can you speak about n-m/bionic since Till is out? what's the status of unblocking that one?
[13:58] <Laney> Trevinho: false positive or you have a fix or what?
[13:58] <Trevinho> Laney: I've already submitted a fix for that
[13:58]  * Laney is getting daily spam emails from Brian
[13:59] <Trevinho> merged to master, 3.30 is a bit different diff so done other pick
[13:59] <seb128> Trevinho, we need another upload with the fix then?
[13:59] <Laney> 3.32 branch?
[13:59] <Trevinho> might be the case to do our patching only
[13:59] <Trevinho> yeah sorry
[14:00] <Laney> go bug for reviews, if no luck we can distro patch
[14:00] <Laney> imho
[14:00] <Trevinho> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/607/
[14:00] <kenvandine> seb128: last week Till verified the split DNS issue was fixed with the systemd update in bionic
[14:01] <Trevinho> if you want to help with reviews...
[14:01] <seb128> kenvandine, that's the systemd part but doesn't address the n-m regressions that leaded to have -updates reverted, right?
[14:02] <Laney> Trevinho: thx
[14:02] <kenvandine> i think he's still trying to understand the regression
[14:03] <seb128> k
[14:03] <seb128> but yeah, it feels like we don't have a good handle on this one
[14:03] <Trevinho> seb128: so to answer, yes. although IMHO is quite low priority
[14:03] <seb128> unsure how we can unblock it
[14:03] <Trevinho> is something happening on shutdown
[14:03] <Laney> it's blocking the SRU from being offered to people
[14:03] <seb128> Trevinho, well, "low priority", our current SRU is blocked from reaching users until that's sorted out
[14:04] <Trevinho> or reload... which would be anyways covered by session
[14:04] <Trevinho> sure, sure... I'm saying from the bug point of view. indeed I fixed it promptly because of that...
[14:04] <seb128> if you believe that's a non issue for users and should be unflagged please talk to Brian about it asking him to do that
[14:05] <Laney> I'll go ping in #gnome-shell if Marco is too shy :-)
[14:05] <seb128> thx!
[14:05] <Trevinho> I am :-)
[14:05] <seb128> k, that should be it for now on those I guess
[14:05] <seb128> other topics?
[14:06] <seb128> 30 seconds
[14:06] <Trevinho> as for guadec?
[14:06] <Laney> seems like an internal one
[14:06] <seb128> yeah
[14:07] <seb128> but you are right, let me try to get that ball rolling
[14:07] <Laney> cool
[14:07] <seb128> but we don't need the team for it, so let's wrap
[14:07] <Trevinho> we can address it  internally indeed.... just as a reminder ;-)
[14:07] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 11 14:07:12 2019 UTC.
[14:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-06-11-13.32.moin.txt
[14:07] <seb128> thx everyone!
[14:07] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:07] <Trevinho> thxxxx
[14:08] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[14:08] <didrocks> thx
[14:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sorry for bothering you through that 18.04.3 milestone. Didn't know you followed it up so closely, it was merely a note to myself. But yes, I will probably SRU it. I.e. if I ever will please Laney with a reasonable eoan fix. :)
[14:45] <Laney> GunnarHj: Looking better, will try to review properly soon (or anyone else can if they have time)
[14:45] <Laney> thanks for that
[14:50] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yw. I have tested it back and forth through simulating Chinese/Japanese installs, and I'm really curious to see if it makes a difference once it ends up on a daily build ISO.
[14:53] <kenvandine> sigh... another long list of USN refreshes
[15:03] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, makes you dread security updates, doesn't it? ;)
[15:40] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: yeah... the rebuilds are trivial
[15:40] <kenvandine> but then i need to do some testing of them
[15:40] <kenvandine> and promote...
[15:40] <kenvandine> seems i get them 20 packages at a time
[17:20] <oSoMoN> good evening all
[17:27] <Laney> Trevinho: want to prep MPs for experimental/eoan/disco?
[17:36] <Trevinho> Laney: k
[17:36] <Laney> THANKS!
[17:41] <Trevinho> will do later/tomorrow
[17:57] <willcooke> night all o/
[18:49] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: hey, could you please trigger these autopkgtests for me? (Requires upload rights):
[18:50] <marcustomlinson> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=eoan&arch=s390x&package=libreoffice&ppa=marcustomlinson/libreoffice&trigger=libreoffice/1:6.2.4-0ubuntu2~ppa1
[18:50] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: sure
[18:50] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[18:51] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: done
[18:51] <marcustomlinson> 👌🏻