[06:18] good morning [06:28] Hi didrocks [06:30] hey duflu [06:57] good morning desktopers === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:48] good morning desktoppers [07:49] morning crew! [07:50] hey oSoMoN, Trevinho [07:50] didrocks: hi! [07:50] salut didrocks, hi Trevinho [08:00] Goeie môre didrocks duflu oSoMoN Trevinho [08:00] hey marcustomlinson [08:02] Hi oSoMoN, euro-Trevinho, marcustomlinson and willcooke [08:02] yo thar [08:02] morning all [08:02] Morning Laney [08:02] morning Laney and willcooke [08:03] mornin' marcustomlinson, duflu, Laney, willcooke [08:04] bloomin HECK it's wet [08:04] hi duflu marcustomlinson oSoMoN willcooke [08:04] * willcooke has a leak this morning [08:04] in the ceiling [08:05] hey Laney, willcooke [08:06] willcooke: that totally sucks... [08:06] hey again, looks like a disconnected earlier! [08:07] morning seb128 [08:07] hey marcustomlinson Trevinho [08:07] lut didrocks oSoMoN [08:07] salut seb128 [08:07] everyone had a good w.e (&monday)? [08:07] hi didrocks [08:08] hey Laney [08:08] salut seb128 [08:08] leaks suck, good luck identifying and fixing it willcooke [08:09] moin seb128 [08:09] what weekend?!?!?! [08:09] Looks like its coming from around the bottom of an upstairs window then running down inside the wall. Meh, nothing I can do about it now other than get a bucket. [08:09] grim [08:09] is it in the new bit? [08:10] seb128, I slept a lot, sunbathed and had bbq, I think that qualifies as a good week-end :) you? [08:10] Laney, yeah [08:10] It can't rain all day, can it [08:12] you've done it now [08:12] :D [08:13] Welcome back seb128 [08:15] oSoMoN, w.e was good and relaxing, weather not that great here though [08:16] willcooke, the rain stopped briefly here, till you said that [08:16] ha [08:17] But it's a novelty and I love it [08:17] If only I had fixed all the roof leaks in summer [09:34] Ah hey seb128 [09:35] had good weekend? [09:35] hey Trevinho, quite good indeed, we are in France enjoying the nice food :) [13:09] Trevinho, we got called out on planet GNOME (https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2019/06/09/on-ubuntu-updates/) for still not having gnome-shell 3.32.2 SRUed to disco, do you think we should have done that SRU and dropped the ball? [13:10] Laney, same for glib? [13:10] I'm not blaming, I just wonder if we agree we are late/should aim at fixing that [13:10] or if we believe those updates are not that important and it's a bit unfair as a comment [13:15] seb128: hm IIRC the branch was prepared but blocked because of a regression mhmh [13:16] Trevinho, can you find the regression and comment on the blog with that data? [13:16] the regression reference* [13:22] seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.32.1-1ubuntu1~19.04.1 blocked as per https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/66c2476d86f4d697ff373f99f20c6134c6b5fab3 [13:29] seb128: I don't need calling out, GLib is on the list and you can see that from my update on the hub [13:30] I'm not happy with the tone of those posts one little bit and I don't think we should be giving people the impression that ranting like that results in us jumping to a load of work [13:32] Laney, right, fair enough, there is a bit of true that we are not always on top of SRUing stable update but there was no need/point to call out on specifics [13:32] k, meeting [13:32] sorry a bit late [13:32] #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 [13:32] Meeting started Tue Jun 11 13:32:43 2019 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:32] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 | Current topic: [13:33] s/the hub/discourse/ 🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊 [13:33] Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [13:33] \o [13:33] o/ [13:34] o/ [13:35] ok, let's get started [13:35] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [13:35] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:35] empty [13:36] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:37] out of the ones we already discussed previous week and that still need sorting out [13:37] bug #1786344 [13:37] bug 1786344 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Default IBus input method ignored in live session" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1786344 [13:37] Gunnar nominated this one [13:37] I don't think it has enough heat to be rls tracked [13:38] I suggest assigning to Gunnar and deleting the bionic specific target [13:38] he can still pursue the SRUing [13:38] 👍🏻 [13:39] k, next [13:39] bug # [13:39] bug #1734887 [13:39] bug 1734887 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Cosmic) "No caps lock indicator on login screen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734887 [13:40] Trevinho, ^ do you think that is going to land in 3.30 serie? [13:40] let me see [13:41] does that affect whether we consider it rls? [13:42] I don't know [13:42] I think we can propose a cherry pick in case. [13:42] hum, /me ponders [13:42] * Laney thinks not [13:42] either we want to fix it or we don't [13:42] right [13:42] indeed if we consider important we can still do ourself [13:42] I think it would be nice to fix [13:42] but probably not important enough to be rls targetted [13:43] a list of nice to have if upstream agrees let's say [13:43] k, let's untarget it? [13:43] yes [13:43] thx [13:43] dunno why duflu is still doing that, did someone have a word? [13:43] I prepare the cherry pick anyways we'll see if it lands [13:44] I mentioned it to him, will do again [13:44] thx [13:44] that's it for bionic [13:44] #topic rls-cc-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 | Current topic: rls-cc-bugs [13:45] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:45] no desktop entry [13:45] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:45] nothing to discuss, still the era thing unsorted and that capslock one [13:45] #topic rls-dd-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 | Current topic: rls-dd-bugs [13:45] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:45] no desktop entry [13:46] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:46] same, nothing new [13:46] #topic rls-ee-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 | Current topic: rls-ee-bugs [13:46] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:47] the cups one was discussed previous week but I had forgotten to edit post meeting, done now [13:47] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:47] nothing unassigned there [13:47] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:47] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:48] tkamppeter, kenvandine, what's the status of sorting out the n-m autopkgtest regression post removal of those deprecated libs? [13:49] I'll check with Till, he's out today [13:49] thx [13:50] oSoMoN, the libreoffice one is something on your list? [13:50] I made a card for it [13:50] maybe check there first if you're going to be leading this section? [13:50] there's this one test that's become flaky in eoan, it needs investigating [13:50] k [13:50] in the meantime I’ve triggered a new test run [13:50] Laney, sorry, I didn't intend to "lead", I just though it would be the same as previous week so I asked directly about the n-m status [13:51] then there was 1 left, it seemed pointless to ask you to ask about that one only [13:51] thx for making the card, I try to be aware/handle that part better next time [13:51] ok, well I usually make the cards around meeting time, for reference [13:51] http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/eoan/s390x [13:51] noted [13:51] that doesn't obviously say "flaky" to me by the way [13:52] more like new openjdk-lts might have impacted it [13:52] maybe we get lucky though [13:52] doookoooo [13:52] :p [13:52] but yeah, needs investigating [13:52] Laney, look at older failures [13:52] thx oSoMoN Laney [13:52] seb128: or like tdaitx ;-) [13:52] I mean I see a few crosses [13:52] what do you mean? [13:52] anyway, if it's flaky... [13:52] .... [13:53] it shouldn't be [13:53] indeed [13:53] I'm filing a bug to not forget about it [13:53] cool [13:53] :) [13:54] there's a card too, such tracking [13:54] good, that's it for that section then [13:54] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-11 | Current topic: AOB [13:54] other topics? [13:54] if a kind AA (not me) from ubuntu-desktop team could review grubzfs-testsuite, that would be awesome :) [13:54] (ok, there is just one candidate matching that description :p) [13:55] kind?!?!?!? [13:55] ahah [13:55] 😈 [13:55] * Laney slaps self [13:55] lol [13:55] * seb128 gets the hint [13:56] didrocks, will do [13:56] thx ;) [13:56] other topics? ;) [13:56] network-manager on bionic, gnome-shell on disco [13:56] are those well handled (particularly the first one) or do people need help? [13:56] should we organize for guadec? [13:56] g-s is fine [13:57] kenvandine, can you speak about n-m/bionic since Till is out? what's the status of unblocking that one? [13:58] Trevinho: false positive or you have a fix or what? [13:58] Laney: I've already submitted a fix for that [13:58] * Laney is getting daily spam emails from Brian [13:59] merged to master, 3.30 is a bit different diff so done other pick [13:59] Trevinho, we need another upload with the fix then? [13:59] 3.32 branch? [13:59] might be the case to do our patching only [13:59] yeah sorry [14:00] go bug for reviews, if no luck we can distro patch [14:00] imho [14:00] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/607/ [14:00] seb128: last week Till verified the split DNS issue was fixed with the systemd update in bionic [14:01] if you want to help with reviews... [14:01] kenvandine, that's the systemd part but doesn't address the n-m regressions that leaded to have -updates reverted, right? [14:02] Trevinho: thx [14:02] i think he's still trying to understand the regression [14:03] k [14:03] but yeah, it feels like we don't have a good handle on this one [14:03] seb128: so to answer, yes. although IMHO is quite low priority [14:03] unsure how we can unblock it [14:03] is something happening on shutdown [14:03] it's blocking the SRU from being offered to people [14:03] Trevinho, well, "low priority", our current SRU is blocked from reaching users until that's sorted out [14:04] or reload... which would be anyways covered by session [14:04] sure, sure... I'm saying from the bug point of view. indeed I fixed it promptly because of that... [14:04] if you believe that's a non issue for users and should be unflagged please talk to Brian about it asking him to do that [14:05] I'll go ping in #gnome-shell if Marco is too shy :-) [14:05] thx! [14:05] I am :-) [14:05] k, that should be it for now on those I guess [14:05] other topics? [14:06] 30 seconds [14:06] as for guadec? [14:06] seems like an internal one [14:06] yeah [14:07] but you are right, let me try to get that ball rolling [14:07] cool [14:07] but we don't need the team for it, so let's wrap [14:07] we can address it internally indeed.... just as a reminder ;-) [14:07] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle [14:07] Meeting ended Tue Jun 11 14:07:12 2019 UTC. [14:07] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-06-11-13.32.moin.txt [14:07] thx everyone! [14:07] thanks [14:07] thxxxx [14:08] thanks [14:08] thx === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [14:41] seb128: Sorry for bothering you through that 18.04.3 milestone. Didn't know you followed it up so closely, it was merely a note to myself. But yes, I will probably SRU it. I.e. if I ever will please Laney with a reasonable eoan fix. :) [14:45] GunnarHj: Looking better, will try to review properly soon (or anyone else can if they have time) [14:45] thanks for that [14:50] Laney: Yw. I have tested it back and forth through simulating Chinese/Japanese installs, and I'm really curious to see if it makes a difference once it ends up on a daily build ISO. [14:53] sigh... another long list of USN refreshes [15:03] kenvandine, makes you dread security updates, doesn't it? ;) [15:40] oSoMoN: yeah... the rebuilds are trivial [15:40] but then i need to do some testing of them [15:40] and promote... [15:40] seems i get them 20 packages at a time === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [17:20] good evening all [17:27] Trevinho: want to prep MPs for experimental/eoan/disco? [17:36] Laney: k [17:36] THANKS! [17:41] will do later/tomorrow [17:57] night all o/ [18:49] kenvandine: hey, could you please trigger these autopkgtests for me? (Requires upload rights): [18:50] https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=eoan&arch=s390x&package=libreoffice&ppa=marcustomlinson/libreoffice&trigger=libreoffice/1:6.2.4-0ubuntu2~ppa1 [18:50] marcustomlinson: sure [18:50] thanks [18:51] marcustomlinson: done [18:51] 👌🏻