[00:00] <jack> was one of those particularly outstanding?
[00:00] <OerHeks> it brought the start of systemD
[00:00] <jack> omfg :P
[00:00] <OerHeks> and netplan
[00:01] <OerHeks> so, yes, a high learning curve, but bionic is pretty stable
[00:01] <jack> disco as well :)
[00:01] <jack> i love it
[00:02]  * ryuo imagines dancing dogs at a disco.
[00:02] <jack> hehe
[00:03] <ryuo> puff: i wouldn't upgrade yet unless you have a reason to.
[00:03] <puff> ryuo: Hm, thanks, I think I'll follow that advice.
[00:03] <jack> dingos are cool animals, imho
[00:03] <ryuo> puff: that's my advice to less technical users. it gives LTS releases more times to resolve issues.
[00:03] <OerHeks> go wild on upgrading; tip: prepare an USB with a fresh iso before you do that
[00:03] <ryuo> s/times/time/
[00:04] <ryuo> puff: i've seen upgrades with regressions, so i only upgrade if i can afford to deal with them at the time.
[00:05] <ryuo> next year i will need to upgrade away from Xenial.. i usually do that the year before support runs out.
[00:05] <OerHeks> meh, i get a faster pc when i boot with "noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off mitigations=off "
[00:05] <OerHeks> oops
[00:06] <ryuo> OerHeks: and no protection.
[00:07] <OerHeks> jups, 45% faster infected
[00:08] <sarnold> 45%? ouch
[00:09] <OerHeks> well, predicted, not really, because one must do something with the kernel to make it happen, actually
[00:10] <Sveta> gallomimia, did you get output of these commands from systemd-analyze?
[00:11] <gbellinoz> OerHeks: that's astonishing. How are you measuring performance?
[00:13] <OerHeks> sysbench is a good and oldie
[00:13] <OerHeks> .. but this i3 without HT is crippled anyway
[00:58] <cwrf>  there is a linux program that is same with final cut pro?
[00:59] <sarnold> what does final cut pro do?
[00:59] <cwrf> editing youtube video
[01:00] <sarnold> cwrf: take a look at kdenlive
[01:01] <sarnold> cwrf: there's a handful of non-linear video editors available, but I've heard this name the most often. apt-cache search non-linear video   will find more
[01:02] <cwrf> sarnold, you don't know exact program name?
[01:03] <sarnold> cwrf: kdenlive is the one that I hear about most often
[01:03] <jack> cwrf: pitivi, kino, kdenlive
[01:04] <sarnold> there's also flowblade kino openshot-qt pitivi
[01:04] <cwrf> ah thanks sarnold and jack
[01:04] <jack> np :)
[01:04] <OerHeks> openshot, obs studio https://snapcraft.io/search?category=photo-and-video
[01:04] <cwrf> many people edit youtube video using linux program instead of final cut pro?
[01:05] <OerHeks> https://ubuntustudio.org/tour/video/
[01:24] <con3> Hey everyone, I did the usual sudo apt update/upgrade and fucked everything. uwsgi keeps outputting this in the log file: https://pastebin.com/mHeJLfBM these are the packages that were upgraded: https://pastebin.com/cx4CAY2y everything worked fine till this upgrade, I can't roll back the upraded packages and I'm currently on python 3.6.8. Anyone here maybe know how I can go about fixing this ?
[01:25] <con3> running Ubuntu on a DO droplet with Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[01:26] <plouj> If I download all of the .debs that make up the gcc collection of packages locally (https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/gcc-5) how can I install them all at once with dpkg/apt so that they satisfy each other's dependencies?
[01:27] <plouj> it seems like I can't pass more than one file to dpkg -i
[01:29] <NickBusey> How to set up SSH access to Ubuntu servers via the Tor network with one command: https://youtu.be/iib2nG0mvfo Not trying to spam, thought some of you may be interested :)
[01:30] <Sveta> plouj, an unofficial solution to this is a hand-written python script https://askubuntu.com/questions/708067/install-multiple-deb-files-while-respecting-their-dependencies (second answer, not the first one)
[01:31] <sarnold> con3: python3.6 was rebuilt against openssl 1.1.1 earlier https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.6/3.6.8-1~18.04.1  -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1797386 -- were those libraries updated earlier?
[01:31] <OerHeks> normally the metapackage is enough to pull all dep. in
[01:31] <sarnold> con3: does uwsgi restart fine if you stop it all and start it all again?
[01:32] <con3> sarnold: restarting doesn't help. It keeps outputting that same message
[01:32] <sarnold> con3: can you rebuild the package in /usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/psycopg2 ?
[01:34] <con3> sarnold: just reinstalling the package with pip?
[01:35] <sarnold> con3: if pip will rebuild the package, yeah
[01:54] <con3> sarnold: A lot seems to be back up and running, thank you. trying to fix the rest. might need some more help in a bit. Really really appreciate it
[01:57] <sarnold> con3: re-installing psycopg2 via pip helped?
[02:02] <con3> sarnold: yes! I can access the site again for some reason rabbitmq is gone, so trying to get it going now
[02:03] <sarnold> con3: we got a bit lucky that uwsgi went to some effort to dump it's stack traces (and further, even did a very good job of it; that wouldn't always work out so well..)
[02:16] <gallomimia>  can anyone help me understand why my TV connected to this computer has a 60Hz refresh rate, but my LED monitor does not... i've been super concerned about the rate because sometimes i connect this monitor with DP, and sometimes with HDMI. some quirks about DP not turning the monitor on and such. but why no refresh rate? (i'm told the age of my card and this display means it doesn't run HDMI at the new modern speeds, so 30hz is all i get at 1440p
[02:17] <gallomimia> like.... why does my display setting not show ANY refresh rate?
[02:19] <con3> rabbitmq, celery and flower are up. testing more
[02:20] <sarnold> con3: what'd you have to do for rabbitmq?
[02:25] <sarnold> gallomimia: xrandr should dump a ton of available modes, and I believe second column is the refresh rate for that mode
[02:26] <con3> sarnold: not much, it was completely gone, so I reinstalled it reran flower and it couldn't find the host, then I recreated the host, user and added the permissions.
[02:28] <sarnold> con3: *completely gone*? whaaaat happened :/
[02:28] <gallomimia> interesting sarnold thanks. it spits out 59.95*+ in this case. what do those symbols mean?
[02:28] <sarnold> gallomimia: + is preferred, * is current
[02:28] <gallomimia> ah
[02:29] <gallomimia> and i guess if it doesn't have more than one selection, do not display choices
[02:29] <con3> sarnold: I have no idea... when I saw flower wasn't loading the workers, I checked whether celery was running, when it was fine I checked rabbitmq and it told me I needed to install it :/
[02:29] <con3> welp i'm never updating shit again
[02:30] <gallomimia> lol a good policy. try to mind the profanity
[02:30] <sarnold> con3: could you add a summary of your experience to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1797386 ?
[02:34] <con3> sarnold: will in a bit, not getting any data in, so need to figure out what's going on with the sensor node :)
[02:35] <sarnold> con3: right :( sorry for the trouble
[03:05] <mallu> Can someone please tell me in grep '^*.*[^I][^I]*@' what [^I] stands for?
[03:08] <con3> sarnold: No worries at all, thank you so much for your help. I dont know what I would've done if it wasn't for you. thank you
[03:10] <mallu> anyone?
[03:33] <Poz123> hello, I am really strugleing to do somthing and google just is not helping me
[03:34] <Poz123> I think I have done this before, so I think it is possible.
[03:34] <Poz123> The nvidia drivers on my ubuntu 14-04 install are messed up from a new graphics card
[03:34] <Poz123> I want to reinstall them via a live usb stick
[03:35] <Poz123> I am on the live stick right now, but I do not know how to set up the terminal such that it is accessing my ubuntu install
[03:35] <Poz123> I want to update (not a dist upgrade) the existing ubuntu install
[03:36] <Poz123> Can anyone provide some guidence?
[03:41] <Bashing-om> !14.04 | Poz123
[03:46] <Poz123> Yes, very helpful. This is why I came here
[03:46] <Poz123> To be told its out of the lts phase
[03:47] <puppetmasterFPU> it is unsupported in this irc channel
[03:47] <Poz123> it shoult not be very different between 16.04 or 18.04... should it? I have a live usb and a ubuntu install onto a ssd. I am on the live usb, I want to gain access to the ubuntu install
[03:48] <Poz123> should*
[03:48] <Poz123> how would I do this if it were 18.04?
[04:25] <plouj> Sveta: thanks. Would generating a control file and running mk-build-depends also work?
[04:27] <fastfresh> How to change keyboard layout language with ctrl+shift instead of super+space?
[04:27] <fastfresh> In 19.04
[04:29] <fastfresh> In keyboard settings menu, when it asks for a new switch, I press ctrl+shift and nothing happens.
[04:30] <fastfresh> However, when I press ctrl+shift+%random letter key% it registers ok.
[04:32] <Sveta> plouj, huh?
[05:07] <gallomimia> fastfresh, i do believe you need to have it be an actual key press, not just modifiers.
[05:15] <fastfresh> Does it mean I can't have ctrl shift? I had it back on 16.04 though, worked ok
[05:18] <gallomimia> oh well, maybe so
[05:29] <zamba> shouldn't swap in ubuntu 18.04 be replaced with a swap file?
[05:38] <zamba> or rather, how can i increase swap on 18.04?
[06:11] <swills> ok, so the reason i can't get the hwe kernel during my preseed is that i'm using 18.04, not 18.04.1 or 18.04.2. i can't change that right now, but i think i should be able to get it via updates during install...
[06:13] <ducasse> fastfresh: see the 'xkeyboard-config' man page, under "Switching to another layout"
[06:15] <ducasse> fastfresh: what you want is 'grp:ctrl_shift_toggle'
[06:16] <fastfresh> Thabk you
[06:18] <ducasse> fastfresh: try 'setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle'
[06:19] <fastfresh> How do I persist the change?
[06:19] <fastfresh> I guess if I set it with setxkbmap it will reset after reboot?
[06:19] <ducasse> i would put it in  ~/.xsessionrc
[06:20] <fastfresh> Ok thanks
[06:28] <jimt> DId today's OpenSSL update break SSL for lighttpd for anyone else on 18.04? (My logs are now full of "SSL: renegotiation initiated by client, killing connection" messages after the OpenSSL update)
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> jimt: mention also your bug # to the channel, as its related. volunteers might have more ideas
[06:37] <jimt> lotuspsychje: Thanks.  Was kind of still at the 'is it just me' stage of confirmation... but   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lighttpd/+bug/1832295
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> jimt: a bug report is never silly, it can result to more details and ideas
[06:38] <eraserpencil> is that the reason I'm getting gpg key rjection today?
[06:41] <blackflow> OpenSSL got SRU'd to 1.1.1 (yay!) and all the rdeps had to be rebuilt and bumped. It is possible some packages is still not playing well. Please report any breakage you experience.
[06:41] <eraserpencil> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KRxn3wT2DB/
[06:42] <eraserpencil> any ideas why im suddenly getting a key rejection when it's been working for the past few months?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: you have external ppa's added to your system, wich we dont support, for official repos you could ask in #ubuntu-mirrors
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: but before you do, its adviced to bring back your ppa's to vanilla ubuntu sources
[06:49] <jimt> eraserpencil: It looks like ROS updated their key  https://answers.ros.org/question/325039/apt-update-fails-cannot-install-pkgs-key-not-working/
[06:50] <eraserpencil> thanks jimt, been searching ros answers for hours. not sure how i did not come across that question
[06:52] <josh-debian-test> Hello
[06:53] <josh-debian-test> I am having some trouble with an installation of Ubuntu18.04 on a microsoft surfaceP3, with strange grub and efi errors
[06:54] <josh-debian-test> I am having some trouble with an installation of Ubuntu18.04 on a microsoft surfaceP3, with strange grub and efi errors
[06:54] <josh-debian-test> Oops ^
[06:57] <josh-debian-test>  I tried deleting all entries in efibootmgr as root, and making a bootable efi partition (fat32) on the drive prior to running the installer
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> josh-debian-test: should work: https://news.softpedia.com/news/here-s-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-running-on-the-microsoft-surface-pro-3-520894.shtml
[06:58] <josh-debian-test> lotuspsychje: I read that it should work fine, but I believe previous efi installations are causing me unique problems
[07:01] <josh-debian-test> lotuspsychje: That guide appears to be in a latinate language, otherwise in English it just says "partition the ssd" before running the installer
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> josh-debian-test: did you disable secureboot?
[07:03] <josh-debian-test> lotuspsychje: yes and the screen is now red during eufi startup
[07:04] <josh-debian-test> lotuspsychje: I rebooted and tried again and I've gotten further in the installer than before, so that's  a start
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> great josh-debian-test
[07:05] <josh-debian-test> lotuspsychje: I remember opensuse tumbleweed installed fine, but I had to chroot in and fix the bootloader, but I didn't write down how I did that
[07:06] <josh-debian-test> Does ubiquity run grub-config before or after it updates packages?
[07:11] <josh-debian-test> lotuspsychje: up to update-initramfs
[07:13] <josh-debian-test> grub-install ran successfully...
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> josh-debian-test: please dont use this channel to detail progress, only when you have issues
[07:13] <josh-debian-test> lotuspsychje: The issue will come, don't you worry about it ;)
[07:25] <seravitae> hello. I am currently using `xrandr` to query some information in a script I wrote. however, I must poll xrandr often, and it carries a substantial graphics lag (~1 second). is there 'somewhere else' i can get the same info from `xrandr -q` on the system, something in /proc or somewhere?
[07:28] <Ben64> seravitae: what data do you need
[07:31] <Jackneill> hi
[07:32] <Jackneill> can you help me? i have 2 monitors for lapto pvia usb hub.  (displaylink port) it worked until friday afternoon when i went home, now it does not recognize monitors.
[07:35] <gigirock> Jackneill, maybe kernel update happen, so try the previous one from grub menu
[07:43] <seravitae> Ben64: generally a line indicating the status of the physical display, something like this: `DP-1 connected 3440x1440+0+0 inverted (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 800mm x 335mm
[07:43] <seravitae> `
[07:44] <seravitae> alternatively, a hotplug notice (when the monitor connects or disconnects) would be just as useful a trigger in this case.
[07:53] <seravitae> Ben64: i seem to get a trigger in `udevadm monitor` for hotplug events, only on one of my monitors (not the primary display). fortunately it's the monitor I am trying to.. monitor for events, so that's useful, however udevadm seems to be a live-polling app, whereas i need a logfile somewhere. but it's a start.
[07:57] <blackflow> seravitae: neither. you write an udev rule that calls a script.
[07:57] <seravitae> Yeah. I just discovered that reading some docs. hopefully calling xrandr to make the necessary change isn't considered blocking or a long-running process as udev seems to not like those
[07:58] <blackflow> seravitae: then write a systemd service for xorg and have udev rule start teh (one-shot probably) service
[07:58] <seravitae> ah. yeah. that'd be a good plan B. thanks.
[07:59] <blackflow> s/for xorg/for xrandr/
[08:01] <seravitae> noted. or even lazily, just rm/touch a status file somewhere on the fs that my other script can just poll for... lots of options. udev was the answer. thanks!
[08:02] <blackflow> seravitae: btw, if you'll be using a systemd service unit, don't forget that udev can call them directly, ie. you shouldn't use RUN= directive, but ENV{SYSTEMD_WANTS}
[08:02] <seravitae> Ok, i'll keep that in mind. will probably do this a bit more hackier than systemd just from my own familiarity.
[08:03] <blackflow> seravitae: systemd and a myriad of its options was designed specifically so you wouldn't have to write some polling script somehwere (which is then run... how? :)  )  but use the event subsystem of systemd and friends
[08:04] <seravitae> i'll definitely look into it.. though i've generally got my own python polling script for checking lots of things. it's certainly not better than doing it properly. but it's easier for me to maintain/understand.
[08:04] <blackflow> sure. you've got options now :)
[08:04] <seravitae> i do! and learning many things.
[08:48] <AK> why even after rm -rf /, I can see grub screen?  is it only for non uefi system?
[08:49] <jeremy31> AK are you trying to break something?
[08:50] <AK> yeah
[08:50] <AK> just curious about it
[08:50] <AK> I think grub is installed in nvram so I can see the grub even after rm rf?
[08:50] <jeremy31> AK, if you have dual boot, you will see grub boot menu by default
[08:53] <TJ-> AK: depends on which part of GRUB you're seeing. If it is the menu then you failed to delete the /boot/grub/grub.cfg, if you see the grub rescue> shell prompt that comes from the gRUB stage 1 code in GRUB's core image
[08:56] <friendlyguy> hi there! i am wondering how i can use netplan and ALSO make sure the resolv.conf file reflects the correct dns settings?
[08:57] <friendlyguy> the host behaves correctly, but the resolv.conf file shows a dns "127.0.0.53" and thats not what i setup in my netplan config?
[08:57] <friendlyguy> the software that i want to run seems to only look at the resolv.conf file :(
[08:59] <AK> TJ-: what about /proc  not getting deleted?
[09:00] <TJ-> AK: proc is a kernel file-system, exposing internal kernel values, so its not possible
[09:01] <friendlyguy> any idea how to unfuck this?
[09:03] <blackflow> friendlyguy: is anything really broken? 127.0.0.53 is local systemd-resolved stub resolver which should THEN in turn be configured to use the upstream YOU supplied to netplan
[09:04] <syb0rg> Hi. When ubuntu prompts for a password, an alert is displayed that does not allow focus change while typing this password. This interferes with my ability to use the on screen keyboard of my choice. Is there a way to disable this "feature"?
[09:05] <EriC^^> AK: grub would be in the mbr thats why its still there
[09:05] <syb0rg> I should say, when it prompts for a password to gain root privileges, like when running gparted or updating
[09:06] <TJ-> friendlyguy: use "systemd-resolve --status" will show the DNS set for each link, and the global default
[09:07] <TJ-> syb0rg: hmmm, that is an interesting problem; someone wasn't thinking about accessibility there!
[09:07] <TJ-> syb0rg: Are you using standard Ubuntu (Gnome desktop environment) ?
[09:08] <syb0rg> yes TJ- I am
[09:08] <TJ-> syb0rg: which Ubuntu release is it?
[09:08] <syb0rg> 18.04
[09:08] <TJ-> syb0rg: I'll do a quick search for bugs on this but there are other people here much more familiar with the Ubuntu DE than me (I won't use it!)
[09:09] <syb0rg> ok TJ-, thanks for looking. I usually use kubuntu or xubuntu myself, but vanilla ubuntu seems better for the tablet I just got
[09:09] <syb0rg> it at least makes an attempt to be tablet friendly =P
[09:10] <TJ-> syb0rg: :( been reported since 2009 Bug #421660
[09:10] <syb0rg> HAH. The exact virtual keyboard I am using, even.
[09:11] <syb0rg> well good find
[09:11] <TJ-> syb0rg: looks like it was fixed once but has been re-broken
[09:11] <syb0rg> hmmm lovely.
[09:11] <TJ-> syb0rg: Can you start a NEW bug report and link to that one ?
[09:11] <syb0rg> how wonderful it is to be in a minority use case
[09:11] <syb0rg> I will take that under consideration TJ-
[09:11] <TJ-> syb0rg: the underlying default DE has changed from Unity to Gnome so that may be part of it
[09:12] <syb0rg> fair point
[09:12] <TJ-> syb0rg: also, it may be using pkexec (policykit) not gksu/gksudo now as well!
[09:13] <syb0rg> Ok, either way I at least know exactly what applications I should try to mess with now
[09:13] <syb0rg> so you have been helpful
[09:13] <TJ-> syb0rg: I use xubuntu - do you get this issue there too?
[09:14] <TJ-> syb0rg: if not it would seem to confirm the issue is specific to the DE, not the underlying tools
[09:14] <syb0rg> haven't tried xubuntu on this device, TJ-
[09:15] <TJ-> syb0rg: I wonder... I'll try enabling it here and running something that requires privilege elevation... hmmm... trying to think of some GUI program that requires that!
[09:15] <syb0rg> gparted
[09:16] <TJ-> oh good point! I should have thought of that
[09:16] <TJ-> hmmm, in xubuntu, cannot find where to enable the onscreen keyboard. Accessibility options just do sticky keys and stuff
[09:16] <syb0rg> I do not think the other ubuntu flavors besides vanilla include one by default
[09:17] <syb0rg> I needed one for the login screen, which is why I chose vanilla
[09:17] <syb0rg> (one reason)
[09:17] <TJ-> Ahh, there's a specific settings 'app' for onboard
[09:17] <syb0rg> you could always install onboard if you are curious, but if you can change focus when the dialog is displayed there probably is no issue
[09:18] <TJ-> now just to get onboard to actually display itself!
[09:18] <syb0rg> if you run onboard you should get an icon in the system tray that allows you to enable, if it does not just display
[09:18] <friendlyguy> oh i so very much hate netplan!
[09:20] <TJ-> syb0rg: works :)
[09:20] <TJ-> syb0rg: so must be a Gnome thing, at least not affecting Xubuntu 18.04
[09:20] <TJ-> syb0rg: the options in onboard are pretty neat; auto-hide if using physical keyboard, etc.
[09:21] <syb0rg> yeah it is a pretty great little program
[09:21] <TJ-> syb0rg: I notice it has an auto hide if the device isn't indicating it's a tablet, too
[09:21] <syb0rg> I have come to appreciate it after trying to use the horrible virtual keyboard that is caribou, which is sadly the one integrated into ubuntu
[09:22] <TJ-> syb0rg: I'm going to keep that; this PC has a bluetooth dock for keyboard/touchpad so if that won't connect I can use onbaord with the touchscreen (possibly!)
[09:22] <syb0rg> why people try to reinvent the wheel when a far better one exists, I just don't know
[09:22] <syb0rg> nice :-)
[09:22] <TJ-> syb0rg: I agree entirely; makes me VERY frustrated at times
[09:22] <TJ-> syb0rg: NIH as the saying goes
[09:23] <syb0rg> hmmmm.... nobody is human? nothing is harmful? Neptune inside (a) hangar?
[09:23] <TJ-> syb0rg: Not Invented Here
[09:23] <syb0rg> I see
[09:24] <TJ-> syb0rg: please do report this as a bug, and let me have the number, I'll try to get it in front of the devs that can do something about it
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ- syb0rg would dconf-editor have an option for this?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> maybe lets check first there?
[09:24] <syb0rg> Ok TJ-, I will at least make a note of it and kick the can down the road to my weekend self.
[09:24] <syb0rg> lotuspsychje, no idea but I will look
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> what is this password thing called?
[09:25] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: huh?
[09:25] <syb0rg> lotuspsychje, either gksu(do) or policykit apparently
[09:26] <syb0rg> a modal dialog displayed when a graphical prompt for privilege escalation is required
[09:26] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the issue here is that when the DE asks for the user's password for e.g. running gparted, it uses a system modal dialog box which prevents the on-screen keyboard from being used to type the password
[09:26] <syb0rg> to be exact: an on-screen keyboard that is not the one that ships with ubuntu
[09:26] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: "system modal" means it refuses to let focus move to the onscreen keyboard
[09:27] <syb0rg> that one works if you have not specifically disabled it like I have so you can use an actual functional virtual keyboard instead
[09:27] <gofio> in ubuntu 18.04 when I press ctrl+alt+F2 I get into full screen terminal. How do I get out of there? F11 does not work. Thanks
[09:27] <syb0rg> so this problem probably effects about five people in other words
[09:27] <TJ-> friendlyguy: why do you hate netplan? Learning new things is always a challenge no matter what it is :)
[09:28] <akik> gofio: it's behind F1 now
[09:28] <TJ-> gofio: Alt+<some other function key> - F1 == tty1, F2 == tty2, etc
[09:28] <HiDeHo> i am wanting to add a menu option in the right-click menu for files and folders to open as root. this used to work using gksu thunar %f
[09:28] <gofio> akik: thanks, gonna try right away TJ
[09:30] <TJ-> syb0rg: its certainly an anti-operator pattern especially for accessiblity since the devs cannot know what degree of accessibility support, or tooling, the operator needs
[09:30] <gofio> well, ctrl+alt+f2 not working now but will try later. I've started ubuntu in wayland
[09:30] <syb0rg> true TJ-
[09:30] <gofio> thanks
[09:30] <syb0rg> this problem also applies to whatever the show all apps screen is called
[09:30] <syb0rg> the start menu replacement
[09:30] <akik> gofio: is wayland on some other tty than F1?
[09:31] <syb0rg> you can only type there with the default virtual keyboard (or a physical one)
[09:31] <TJ-> syb0rg: It does sound like a 'Gnome' issue now Ubuntu has switched (back) to that
[09:31] <syb0rg> probably TJ- but how much have Canonical modified gnome for ubuntu?
[09:32] <gofio> akik: don't know but usually don't make that choice. My configuration right now is not usual either and kinda a pain just to explain
[09:32] <TJ-> syb0rg: not sure if this will assist you but... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33065735/replacing-gnomes-virtual-keyboard-with-onboard-hide-show-via-dbus-doesnt-wor
[09:32] <akik> gofio: so ctrl+alt+f1 didn't get you back the graphical ui?
[09:32] <gofio> even though it rimes xD
[09:32] <gofio> akik: ctrl+alt+f2 did not get me into terminal first
[09:33] <syb0rg> TJ-, I will definitely try that later. Looks like a great approach
[09:33] <TJ-> syb0rg: as I understand it the modifications are mostly thematic, although on 18.04 they may be more invasive than more recent releases
[09:33] <TJ-> syb0rg: add that info to your bug report if it works, please
[09:33] <syb0rg> Ok
[09:33] <gofio> but it does in other occasions (that not Ocasio)
[09:34] <akik> i have no idea
[09:34] <akik> xorg was moved from f7 to f1 a couple of years ago
[09:35] <akik> gofio: so ctrl+alt+f1 didn't get you back the graphical ui?
[09:36] <gofio> akik: I have not left the gui in the first place
[09:37] <akik> gofio: ok you can exit the terminal with exit command
[09:38] <gofio> akik: if I type "exit" while in fullt screen terminal it just shuts down the machine
[09:38] <Koopz> https://gist.github.com/Koopzington/dacef5d2b76890a5d2f6c386e9bf9124 would you say my HDD is dead?
[09:39] <akik> gofio: yea that's not how it should be working
[09:39] <gofio> akik: don't worry somehow now things are different but next time I'm into full screen terminal will try f1 see what happens
[09:39] <Koopz> 'cause i can't boot from it anymore, but i'm still able to mount it from the recovery system my provider offers
[09:39] <akik> gofio: ctrl+alt+f1 just brings you back to the gui if you are in any of the virtual consoles
[09:40] <Koopz> also how high is the chance that the 6.4 years old HDD is actually connected to the server via ATA?
[09:40] <gofio> akik: I'm in a laptop with backlight converter gone so using a second screen and it gets bit crazy sometimes to make it work given it only works while laptop screen is folded down. Long story
[09:42] <gofio> akik: and now for some reason system goes into suspend or hibernation after some minutes of no activity and then get a black screen with the cursor, but when press ctrl+alt+f2 I get into de terminal full screen
[09:42] <TJ-> gofio: akik having no Alt+Fx reaction and 'exit' shutting down the system suggests the system could have been at the initialramfs shell, not a login terminal after multi-user.target eas reached
[09:43] <gofio> TJ yeap when I get into terminal full screen I have to log in and pass
[09:43] <TJ-> gofio: which release of Ubuntu is it, and which desktop environment (Gnome?) ?
[09:43] <akik> details are important
[09:43] <gofio> if I hard shut down then will boot ok
[09:44] <gofio> but have to close the laptop's screen quite fast or it will hang, so press power button and close the laptop screen, then will boot normal everything in the second screen
[09:44] <TJ-> gofio: OK, so typing 'exit' in that scenario probably means the system was waiting to suspend/hibernate but was inhibited by the TTY login session. I'd guess the desktop environment had/has triggered the suspend/hibernate due to thinking there was no activity
[09:45] <gofio> tj 18.04 bionic
[09:45] <gofio> 11:27 <gofio> in ubuntu 18.04
[09:45] <gofio> yes gnome 3 I believe
[09:46] <TJ-> gofio: there are some power management options in the GUI to prevent idle timeout actions, such as monitor blanking, suspend, etc.
[09:46] <gofio> tj exactly it all starts with the auto suspend that I have not scheduled or anything but that's how it goes
[09:46] <HiDeHo> Hi all how do i asign user group to have read and write access to my system
[09:47] <gofio> tj exactly like that, it suspends after a little while of no activity (but spotify playing) like 5 or 10 minutes, then comes the headache
[09:48] <gofio> tj first time it suspends comes back quik. It is the definite suspension that power goes off that's trouble
[09:49] <gofio> if I could prevent from going into suspend that would be it, but this wasn't happening while I had the system running with two screens (and another ram and processor)
[09:49] <gofio> so, whatever. Just try to be active every now and then xD
[09:51] <gofio> trying
[09:54] <akik> gofio: the system doesn't work enough time for you to disable the suspend?
[09:56] <akik> gofio: https://askubuntu.com/a/1014968
[09:58] <gofio> akik: when the suspend gets to shutdown power button, which is after let say 15 minutes or so of the previous suspend, then is when disabling that suspend is a problem. That only happens when there's no activity in maybe like half hour
[09:59] <gofio> first of all because in order to do that I have to open the laptop screen, and sometimes (now I suppose because I can't see it) it'd show the login in that screen but I can't see it, so
[10:00] <gofio> this same action of  second screen as primary windows can't get to do it, for example
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | HiDeHo
[10:01] <gofio> It'd would stay as secondary screen, no matter all the process of recovery system has done it in the secondary screen as primary. So one point for linux, windows zero
[10:01] <akik> gofio: i mean if it's the suspend that is giving you the problem, wouldn't disabling it help?
[10:02] <gofio> akik: sure, but in any case I did not enable it
[10:03] <akik> gofio: i don't understand. you have a problem with suspend but don't want to disable it?
[10:04] <HiDeHo> Hi again i am now wanting to add some simple options to the right-clcik menu in thunar. they are not showing unless i first open thunar as root
[10:04] <HiDeHo> every time i open thunar without root all the options are blank like they are not saved
[10:05] <gofio> akik: just checked and it's already disabled, as always
[10:14] <gofio> in ubuntu 18.04 gnome3 and while on gui, in the file manager, is there any keyboard shortcut for just delete a file? thanks
[10:17] <guiverc> HiDeHo, possibly have had elevated-privileges when you made/changed the files, and your default UID doesn't have access to those configs..
[10:22] <yuradoc> hello, how to resove that bootstrap time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yBpyyjfCdj/
[10:22] <yuradoc> i'm tired read and try a lot of topics, too much restarts...
[10:25] <yuradoc> what's the most stable distro... I'm tired to lookup those bugs that appers time at time
[10:32] <EriC^^> yuradoc: probably an lts, 18.04
[10:34] <yuradoc> lts aren't stable for me too
[10:34] <yuradoc> i'm linux user near 10-12 years
[10:34] <Kamilion> likewise. Seen utter stability with LTS on supermicro motherboards.
[10:35] <Kamilion> 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, and 18.04.
[10:35] <yuradoc> i'm understand console little bit, can write bash scripts... but i'm still noob in linux
[10:35] <Kamilion> multiple years of uptime (600day+ on xen VM servers)
[10:36] <yuradoc> servers work for me too. but i prefer RHEL/CenOS
[10:36] <yuradoc> for that
[10:36] <Kamilion> no, I mean my workstation.
[10:37] <yuradoc> great
[10:38] <yuradoc> but i don't understand why windows more stable. i don't like it. maybe move to macos based
[10:39] <Kamilion> used supermicro motherboards, used ECC DDR3, cheap and stable as long as your power is.
[10:39] <Kamilion> the more annoying part is finding inexpensinve boards that take ECC
[10:40] <Kamilion> biggest stability issue I see is with cheap DRAM and crummy ATX power supply
[10:40] <EriC^^> yuradoc: what do you mean by not stable
[10:40] <EriC^^> what issues do you have usually
[10:41] <yuradoc> i use laptop
[10:41] <yuradoc> have good performance on the board
[10:41] <Kamilion> ah, no wonder, I've never had good experiences with linux on laptops. always stupid buggy vendor firmware.
[10:42] <yuradoc> but it's seemsed to me that it's very slow
[10:42] <yuradoc> it's boot very slow
[10:42] <yuradoc> gui isn't very responsible
[10:42] <Kamilion> boss's recent asus has ubuntu keys in the secure boot; one of those newish ryzens. Lubuntu works nicely on it.
[10:43] <EriC^^> yuradoc: what's your laptop specs
[10:43] <yuradoc> also virtualbox makes sometimes (not always!) freezing/bad responce for kde
[10:44] <yuradoc> i have more than enough memory
[10:45] <yuradoc> https://www.dell.com/support/home/ua/ru/uabsdt1/product-support/product/inspiron-15r-5521/drivers
[10:45] <yuradoc> Inspiron 15R 5521
[10:48] <yuradoc> it's seemsed to me that ubuntu worked much better at 12-14/x versions
[10:48] <BluesKaj_> hey folks
[10:49] <BluesKaj_> hey folks
[10:49] <BluesKaj_> oops
[10:53] <wicky> hi looking for help or direction to the right forum, I have an external usb HDD which was formatted by mac and is HFS+ Journaled. I mounted it in ubuntu so I oculd write to the read only drive while my mac was down. Now that I am back using my mac it can only mount the drive as read only. The irony. Are there boot flag in the HDD that tell mac to mount as RO any gives?
[10:54] <EriC^^> wicky: try sudo mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mounted/fs
[10:57] <akik> wicky: this page suggests mount options to mount r/w https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/342264/hfs-external-drive-aways-mount-read-only
[10:58] <akik> wicky: no idea how to fix it though
[11:00] <wicky> @akik @EriC^^ thanking you!
[11:00] <akik> it must write some flag in the file system
[11:00] <akik> macos diskutil might be of help. it had many options
[11:01] <wicky> yeh been trying to hunt it out
[11:01] <EriC^^> wicky: np
[11:02] <wicky> mount: /Volumes/WDMyBook: unknown special file or file system. /:
[11:04] <gofio> in ubuntu 18.04 gnome3 and while on gui, in the file manager, is there any keyboard shortcut for just delete a file? thanks
[11:04] <wicky>   2:                  Apple_HFS WDMyBook                3.0 TB     disk3s2
[11:05] <akik> gofio: is it shift+delete?
[11:05] <gofio> akik: did not work
[11:06] <gofio> I'm in a spanish keyboard and system but anyways is "mayús+supr", or maybe you mean "retroceso"
[11:07] <gofio> nag, it just took me to the previous folder
[11:08] <akik> me no habla espanol
[11:08] <akik> :)
[11:09] <akik> wicky: try going into the disk utility or drive utility. there should be some kind of "first aid" there
[11:27] <gofio> akik: nice try! :) mucho bueno :D
[11:28] <gofio> just kidding with the mucho bueno eh, is not "mucho bueno" but "muy bien" :)
[11:29] <akik> wow somebody has written a detailed explanation about that hfs+ file system mount in linux
[11:30] <akik> https://superuser.com/a/1088110
[11:30] <akik> sad that wicky left
[11:43] <amitkm9204> Hi guys
[11:43] <amitkm9204> Can anyone help me
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> !ask | amitkm9204
[11:44] <amitkm9204> what to.do.when the swap memory is not being used while physical memory utilisation is reaching 99%
[11:54] <gofio> akik: nag I'm following this which is what you suggested earlier but not working https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/files-delete.html.en will try later on anyways
[11:56] <gofio> isn't swap for when exceeds the 100%?
[12:16] <guiverc> amitkm9204, raise the swappiness value I guess (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F)
[12:22] <hexo> hi there! i've installed amdgpu-pro driver on lenovo e485, now my 3d works but 2D is WAY too slow. could someone help me sorting this out, please?
[12:28] <Dan_au> Is there a better way to install the newest version of firefox on 16.04? and keep it updated over than using apt? "firefox is already the newest version (45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1)."
[12:28] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | Dan_au
[12:31] <pragmaticenigma> !info firefox xenial | Actually, Dan_au,
[12:31] <pragmaticenigma> Not sure where or how you installed firefox, if you have a PPA enabled or compiled your own, but that is what is preventing you from running the latest
[12:37] <Dan_au> Firefox was only installed via apt a long time ago
[12:38] <Dan_au> I tried adding the mozilla ppa but it has unmet dependancies.
[12:40] <pragmaticenigma> Dan_au: Some decision you made a long time ago is affecting Ubuntu's ability to fetch the latest version available. I'd suggest that you disable all PPAs that are not originally included with Ubuntu. Then do "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" and see what happens
[12:57] <Dan_au> after removing all ppa's it still wants to install firefox 45
[12:59] <geirha> Pastebin the output of ''apt-cache policy firefox''
[13:03] <Dan_au> https://pastebin.com/X6eqBvx1 this is what I get
[13:03] <pragmaticenigma> amitkm9204: Memory is managed differently in Linux and reported differently than what you might be accustomed to. Linux will often report that memory is near full utilization when in very little is actually being used. The operating system will opt to remove old items from memory that are no longer needed, before it will move thigns to swap. There is nothing to be concerned about with seeing memory utilization at or close 100%
[13:05] <geirha> Dan_au: and what does ''lsb_release -d'' say?
[13:06] <Dan_au> i get: Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[13:07] <geirha> ok, that's old
[13:08] <geirha> you should upgrade to 16.04.6, then firefox 67 should be available
[13:08] <Dan_au> ok
[13:10] <hggdh> Dan_au: what I miss from your apt-cache is the security and updates repositories
[13:11] <hggdh> Dan_au: meaning: you *only* listed firefox from the main repository. There should be lines for security and updates as well
[13:12] <pragmaticenigma> wouldn't the missing security and updates also explain why they're not running the latest point release of Ubuntu 16.04?
[13:12] <hggdh> Dan_au: in other words: you seem to have both security and updates disabled. And, if so, this would be a very bad idea
[13:12] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: yes, it does explain why
[13:15] <yuradoc> hello, how to resolve problem with bootstrap time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yBpyyjfCdj/
[13:15] <yuradoc> systemd-analyze blame https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yPVjsBW9Vg/
[13:17] <ayekat> yuradoc: is that a server?
[13:17] <yuradoc> it' Kubuntu desktop
[13:17] <yuradoc> *it's
[13:17] <yuradoc> 19.04
[13:18] <ayekat> I guess you probably want to keep NM, then... but what is sendmail.service? and why does it keep the rest from continuing?
[13:19] <pragmaticenigma> yuradoc: Do you have remote folders that you are mounting?
[13:19] <yuradoc> i don't understand why network can't wait till bootstrap finished
[13:19] <yuradoc> sendmail i don't use
[13:20] <yuradoc> but i didn't have problems with it before
[13:20] <ayekat> yuradoc: network isn't much of an issue, TBH - it's more sendmail.service that adds a wooping 1 minute
[13:20] <yuradoc> i did purge sendmail and reinstall
[13:20] <yuradoc> but i didn't help
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> yuradoc: If you don't need sendmail, why did you purge and reinstall?
[13:21] <Dan_au> fixed firefox, it was the security updates being disabled.
[13:21] <Dan_au> my bad
[13:22] <yuradoc> because it's installed as default on my distro))
[13:22] <yuradoc> easy answer'
[13:22] <ayekat> 'your distro'? I thought you're just running kubuntu desktop
[13:23] <yuradoc> for example some distros use python2 and it's bad idea to remove it from the system
[13:23] <yuradoc> by mine i mean kubuntu desktop
[13:23] <ayekat> and it's not distros that "use python2" - it's software running on it that require it (and thus pull the package in as dependency)
[13:24] <yuradoc> ok, so you solution is to purge sendmail?
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> yuradoc: sendmail is not installed by default in Kubuntu... so either you are not running an official Ubuntu flavor or you choose to install that package
[13:25] <ayekat> tbh I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu to exclude that there is some obscure dependency on sendmail and you should keep it, but... common sense would tell to remove it if you don't need it
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> yuradoc: If you would perfer to play it safe, you can "sudo systemctl stop sendmail && sudo systemctl disable sendmail.service"
[13:26] <yuradoc> could it make some problems for php development?
[13:26] <ayekat> yuradoc: we can't tell that for you - we don't know what you're doing
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> yuradoc: Yes, if you are trying to send mail from your PHP application
[13:26] <yuradoc> as i know it uses someth like sendmail
[13:27] <ayekat> and even then, sendmail doesn't need a service AFAIK - so that sendmail.service strikes me as odd
[13:27] <yuradoc> aah yes - php will call it as utility...
[13:28] <yuradoc> great, tnx guys
[13:28] <ayekat> ah wait, it's for an SMTP server - the .service file might be needed for it
[13:28] <ayekat> but if you don't provide an SMTP server, there is no need for having any sort of daemon running in the background
[13:28] <yuradoc> i don't need function to receive mails
[13:29] <yuradoc> only send
[13:29] <ayekat> SMTP is for sending
[13:29] <yuradoc> SMTP server too?
[13:29] <ayekat> but if you're calling the `sendmail` tool from that same machine, there is no need to keep a server running
[13:29] <ayekat> the server is just there to let other hosts connect to it and send mails
[13:29] <yuradoc> ok, so i can shutdouwn it and disable
[13:30] <yuradoc> great, tnx
[13:30] <ayekat> yrwlcm?
[13:31] <ayekat> yuradoc: then again, we can't tell what exactly you're doing, so it's possible that your software actually needs a running SMTP server
[13:31] <yuradoc> also guys - there is some time taken for bootstrapping on swap.target
[13:31] <yuradoc> ?
[13:31] <yuradoc> is it could be the problem too?
[13:32] <ayekat> yuradoc: the swap device unit just starts super late, but it's not the one taking a long time
[13:32] <yuradoc> ok, tnx
[13:33] <ayekat> it's whatever comes before that - but your systemd-analyze output doesn't give any information about what's happening before that
[13:34] <yuradoc> ok, i'll try to disable and restart pc
[13:37] <AK> some iOS emulator for linux?
[13:38] <AK> like we have android emulators with android SDK
[13:39] <cfhowlett> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6311289/emulate-simulate-ios-in-linux
[13:50] <yuradoc> ok, after i did disable sendmail https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yh6BtH87k9/
[13:51] <mia> is it possible to install latest kde on ubuntu 18.04 LTS?
[13:51] <yuradoc> now mysql
[13:51] <mia> kubuntu desktop seems to be using an old version of kde
[13:51] <mia> with missing visual features..
[13:51] <yuradoc> again it's seemsed to me the problem with NetworkManager.service
[13:57] <TJ-> yuradoc: what is the problem you're trying to solve?
[13:57] <TJ-> yuradoc: 8 seconds isn't terrible for network-online for a wifi system
[14:01] <yuradoc> 48.741s mysql.service
[14:02] <yuradoc> NetworkManager.service @26.293s +8.239s
[14:05] <TJ-> yuradoc: the mysql service is taking some time, maybe its having to clean tables or something. Check what you're using it for and how it is configured, check its logs
[14:07] <yuradoc> : /var/log/mysql/error.log is empty
[14:07] <TJ-> yuradoc: "journalctl -u mysql" might give you more
[14:11] <yuradoc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JpgRTtdJzD/
[14:11] <yuradoc> i think it's ok
[14:13] <TJ-> yuradoc: yes, with quite a delay at 16:44:12 until  16:44:40
[14:14] <yuradoc> ah yes....
[14:24] <CoffeeCattle> when I suspend my computer and turn it back on this happens to my background https://files.catbox.moe/necdmr.jpg
[14:24] <CoffeeCattle> Sometimes it happens with the icons as well
[14:25] <CoffeeCattle> It's with nvideas propitery driver
[14:27] <leonardus> How do I remove everything from the autoremove list? I want to keep everything on there.
[14:27] <leonardus> Because I'm compiling the package myself instead.
[14:28] <TJ-> leonardus: mark them all as manual
[14:31] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, and it happens every time you suspend or just sometimes ?
[14:31] <CoffeeCattle> just sometimes
[14:31] <jack> CoffeeCattle, nice - you don't like that effect?
[14:32] <CoffeeCattle> I'd prefer to use the open source drivers but although they work on the livecd and on previous installs when I switch to them I'm limited to a 1024 resolution
[14:32] <CoffeeCattle> I do actually but sometimes it affects the icons and text
[14:32] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, when that happens, restart gnome-shell : Alt+F2 , type 'r' and Enter
[14:33] <CoffeeCattle> that fixes it thanks lol
[14:33] <jack> hrm
[14:33] <CoffeeCattle> oh wait no it didnt it made it worse
[14:34] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, how comes ?
[14:35] <CoffeeCattle> https://files.catbox.moe/3ftviy.png I've got this ghost cube now
[14:35] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, restart again
[14:36] <CoffeeCattle> the situation has got worse
[14:36] <CoffeeCattle> a ghost nautilus window has appeared
[14:36] <ioria> another host cube ?
[14:36] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.gnome.Shell /org/gnome/Shell org.gnome.Shell.Eval "string:global.reexec_self()"
[14:36] <CoffeeCattle> yes, I just got rid of it by reopening and closing nautilus
[14:37] <CoffeeCattle> ioria, the situation has got worse
[14:37] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, another cube ?
[14:38] <CoffeeCattle> All the windows ghosted and stuck to the screen but I switched workspace and back and its fine now
[14:38] <CoffeeCattle> looks all fixed
[14:38] <TJ-> CoffeeCattle: it looks like the textures in GPU memory have been messed up, if this only occurs after suspend I think it may be related to ACPI issues
[14:39] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, i think it's a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1809407
[14:39] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, it's said another suspend cycle fixes it
[14:40] <CoffeeCattle> okay thanks, that bug also appears when switching display servers
[14:40] <CoffeeCattle> sometimes I switch tty between different users and that same thing happens
[14:41] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, i suggest to try the woraround
[14:41] <CoffeeCattle> while I'm here do you know if there's a way to get gnome to open new windows in the size and position they were last closed
[14:42] <CoffeeCattle> I have it set to open in the center atm but I'm tired of having to keep moving each window after opening
[14:43] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, sy, don't remember
[14:45] <josh-debian-test> Hey, so I finally got ubuntu working on my MS surfacep3, and it is working well. When I boot up GNOME under X, my external monitor works, but when I open settings, it turns off and is not visible in the gnome-settings menu
[14:45] <ioria> CoffeeCattle, but i think there should be an extension
[14:48] <adroit_machine> Hello folks, I have an issue with bluetooth and wifi on my computer. My Linux os is ubuntu 16.04. Bluetooth and wifi works fine when I'm working on windows, but when I'm on ubuntu wifi and bluetooth connection is not persistent. Would updating the kernel help fix the problem?
[14:49] <CoffeeCattle> okay, thanks for the help
[15:01] <adroit_machine> Hi guys, anybody? My question: ‎ Hello folks, I have an issue with bluetooth and wifi on my computer. My Linux os is ubuntu 16.04. Bluetooth and wifi works fine when I'm working on windows, but when I'm on ubuntu wifi and bluetooth connection is not persistent. Would updating the kernel help fix the problem?
[15:02] <cfhowlett> wouldn't hurt adroit_machine
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> adroit_machine: when asking questions, try to include relevant info like kernel version, wifi chipset etc
[15:02] <TJ-> adroit_machine: what do you mean by "persistent" ?
[15:03] <adroit_machine> ok cfhowlett. lotuspsychje: i haven't updated kernel since installation.
[15:03] <TJ-> adroit_machine: if connection config isn't saved that suggests the tools you use are not saving to files
[15:03] <adroit_machine> TJ-: I meant the connection drops off after a minute on linux
[15:03] <cfhowlett> out of morbid curiosity --- why u no upgrade!?
[15:04] <TJ-> adroit_machine: OK, then we'd need to know more detail; it could be kernel module, or it could be (lack of) the correct firmware
[15:04] <adroit_machine> TJ-: I saw on the internet an year before that RTLwifi..(something) has problem, so I installed binaries, but it didn't help. After a year I'm thinking they must have updated the kernel to support my radios
[15:05] <TJ-> adroit_machine: please show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; readlink -e /sys/class/bluetooth/hci0/device ; readlink -e /sys/class/net/wl*/device )"
[15:05] <adroit_machine> cfhowlett: haha. The reason is and I mean no offense, the linux is not as refined as windows. I linux to learn about the OS, but from personal experience it is really not that refined.
[15:05] <adroit_machine> I use linux to learn about the os*
[15:06] <cfhowlett> adroit_machine= perhaps the latest LTS release?  16.04 is still supported, but 18.04 is newest.
[15:06] <TJ-> adroit_machine: The problem is not Linux, it is the device makers that do not work with the Linux kernel developers to include their drivers in the kernel itself
[15:07] <cfhowlett> THIS ^^^ rtl devices have always been shakey
[15:07] <TJ-> adroit_machine: if device makers didn't provide Microsoft with drivers the same problem (and worse) would happen there because in Windows land there is no access to source code
[15:08] <adroit_machine> TJ-: cfhowlett: few days ago, I took the usb drive out of the usb socket and the drive got corrupted. I do the same thing on windows and the drive work fine. I understand the usb drive must still be processing on linux, but how come it doesn't get corrupted on windows
[15:09] <TJ-> adroit_machine: you're supposed to Safely Remove it, which involves Ejecting it from software so the disk buffers in memory are sync-ed to the device BEFORE you pull it - Linux is not a mind reader
[15:09] <TJ-> adroit_machine: most GUI file managers have a right-click context menu option on the device to Eject and/or unmount
[15:10] <adroit_machine> cfhowlett: TJ- thanks for replying. I'm going to update the kernel then logs off. I hope everything works fine
[15:10] <TJ-> adroit_machine: if you insist on pulling the device without giving the OS warning, then you can configure things so the kernel doesn't use a write-behind cache and writes everything immediately
[15:33] <solidfox> hello, does anyone notice that in ubuntu 19.04 there's no way to create a new file in the file manager
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> solidfox: How are you attempting to create a new file?
[15:34] <solidfox> pragmaticenigma: right click
[15:34] <ses1984> can anyone help me understand why something like `apt install libglib2.0` would pull in dependencies like `python3` ?
[15:34] <solidfox> pragmaticenigma: i also checked the menus
[15:35] <leftyfb> solidfox: you need templates in ~/Templates/
[15:35] <solidfox> leftyfb: still, there should at least be a default so you can populate Templates without using terminal lol
[15:35] <leftyfb> open gedit, save it to ~/Templates/
[15:36] <solidfox> mmk
[15:36] <solidfox> still seems strange to me, since all previous versions provided new empty file by default :)
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: There is no dependency for python3 from libglib2.0... unless you have a PPA enabled that defines such a requirement
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libglib2.0-0
[15:37] <OerHeks> never seen create new file in nautilus, just new folder
[15:38] <solidfox> it was definitely there in previous versions
[15:38] <OerHeks> nope, not in 18.04 ..
[15:39] <solidfox> i've been using ubuntu since version 8.10
[15:39] <leftyfb> solidfox: zero previous versions of ubuntu populated ~/Templates
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: It's available, but now requires a template in the "Templates" folder as leftyfb mention. Otherwise only the "New Folder" option is available
[15:39] <TJ-> solidfox: I see a New Document option on 19.04
[15:39] <solidfox> leftyfb: i didnt say it populated Templates for you
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> I guess the "now requires" wasn't right
[15:39] <solidfox> why is this an argument
[15:39] <solidfox> TJ-: interesting
[15:40] <TJ-> solidfox: did you create the user under and earlier release?
[15:40] <solidfox> TJ-: no, fresh install
[15:40] <TJ-> solidfox: I'm looking at a vanilla 19.04 Ubuntu (Gnome) install on a test laptop
[15:40] <TJ-> solidfox: and I do see the mentioned files in the Template directory there too
[15:41] <solidfox> TJ-: you're saying it did populate Templates for you?
[15:41] <solidfox> TJ-: or you're saying you already had Empty Document in your Templates folder?
[15:41] <TJ-> solidfox: yes, from the standard installer
[15:41] <solidfox> TJ-: acknowledged.
[15:42] <TJ-> solidfox:  I can check other accounts on it that have never been logged in yet if it'd help
[15:42] <solidfox> still, ubuntu used to have an Empty Document button that was default, and it shoed the contents of Templates BELOW
[15:42] <solidfox> TJ-: no need
[15:44] <TJ-> solidfox: OK, but I did to satisfy my own curiosity - nothing GUI related in those accounts except example.desktop, so I assume there's a pam_XXXXX module that populates the GUI directories/files on first log-in via GUI
[15:45] <leftyfb> I've checked as far back as 16.04. None of the recent releases have anything in ~/Templates or have the "New Document" item in the right-click context menu unless you populate ~/Templates with a file
[15:46] <OerHeks> leftyfb, i am curious too, must be a nautilus plugin
[15:46] <TJ-> leftyfb: is that for Unity/Gnome only?
[15:46] <leftyfb> TJ-: Unity
[15:48] <ahi2> firefox has asked me to create a new profile 2 times now. rediculous
[15:50] <TJ-> ahi2: see this for the reasoning https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2019/01/14/moving-to-a-profile-per-install-architecture/
[15:50] <solidfox> leftyfb: again, i've been using ubuntu since version 8.10
[15:50] <solidfox> or possibly even further back
[15:50] <solidfox> i did use kubuntu more frequently than any of the unity versions however
[15:51] <ahi2> TJ: thanks for link
[15:52] <solidfox> leftyfb: im in ubuntu 16.04.1 live cd... in home folder, right click, New Document... Empty Document
[15:52] <akem__> Hey, is there a tool on Ubuntu to recover deleted files from NTFS drive?
[15:53] <TJ-> !ingo ntfs-3g | akem__ this has ntfsundelete and other tools
[15:53] <TJ-> grrr
[15:53] <TJ-> !info ntfs-3g | akem__ this has ntfsundelete and other tools
[15:54] <akem__> Great, thanks TJ-!
[15:54] <solidfox> leftyfb: https://imgur.com/eCjYnkA
[15:55] <solidfox> OerHeks: see the image as proof that there is an option by default to create an empty document, independent of whats in Templates
[15:55] <ioria> solidfox, it started with 17.10, iirc
[15:55] <solidfox> ioria: these guys are arguing with me over it, can you believe that?
[15:55] <ioria> ok, ok
[15:56] <EriC^^> solidfox: i have that too, since 14.04 or so
[15:56] <EriC^^> solidfox: what's the problem you're having?
[15:57] <solidfox> EriC^^: no problem, i was just asking if anyone else noticed that the new empty document button is missing in ubuntu 19.04
[15:57] <EriC^^> oh ok
[15:57] <solidfox> EriC^^: TJ- said he had it, and leftyfb and OerHeks claimed there never was such a button
[15:57] <OerHeks> solidfox, thank you, never noticed that, i find no nautilus plugin that fixes that;  this page gives a howto, for templates https://vitux.com/add-new-document-back-to-the-right-click-menu-in-ubuntu-18-04/
[15:58] <OerHeks> touch ~/Templates/"Untitled Document"
[15:58] <solidfox> yup thats what i did
[15:59] <solidfox> its ok, linux is for experienced programmers so there's no need to have a new document button, they can use touch or create one with gedit. since they already know they can add their own new files to Templates
[15:59] <TJ-> It's an elegant if somewhat unobvious way to handle the issue
[15:59] <TJ-> solidfox: see, the Gnome devs thought you needed to take some time off from hard work to come chat to us :)
[16:00] <solidfox> lol
[16:01] <BluesKaj_> solidfox, I'm no experienced programmer at all, but a linux lover just the same :-)
[16:04] <solidfox> BluesKaj_: i was being sarcastic. but some newbies might try ubuntu 19.04 for the first time, coming from windows. seeing no New Document button is going to possibly make them crinkle their nose
[16:05] <BluesKaj_> heh :-)
[16:05] <solidfox> at least raise an eyebrow
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> and that's why we have a support channel and community happy to help out. unfortunately everyone here is a volunteer, a few or on the teams with canonical, but overall the people in this channel don't have insight into why decisions are made. I would recommend submitting a bug ticket, requesting that a blank text file should by default be available in the context menu for the file manager.
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> solidfox: and an additional bug ticket that requests "Document, Spreadsheet, etc" should be added to the file manager context menu when an application like LibreOffice is installed
[16:09] <solidfox> yeah idk about that
[16:09] <solidfox> i dont really use it for anything but creating source files :P
[16:09] <solidfox> but i suppose it wouldn't hurt
[16:09] <solidfox> pragmaticenigma: fair enough, maybe i will open a bug ticket for the first issue
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> Admitadly, it's not intuitive, but there is a message in the "Templates" folder that explains its purpose: https://i2.wp.com/itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/add-new-document-option-in-right-click-menu-context-ubuntu-1.jpg?resize=799%2C539&ssl=1
[16:29] <antranigv> hi there!
[16:30] <OerHeks> :-)
[16:30] <antranigv> friends, how to install ubuntu using the console? after I boot into live, I login, I have a root prompt, but is there some kind of ubuntu-install command?
[16:31] <TJ-> antranigv: that doesn't sound correct! The Live installer uses a GUI
[16:31] <antranigv> well, my hypervisor does not have a GUI :)
[16:32] <antranigv> I was able to install ubuntu-server before, using just a console connection, but in the desktop, no idea how.
[16:32] <OerHeks> live and login, makes no sense
[16:33] <antranigv> want a screencast to believe? ;)
[16:33] <antranigv> anyway, my point is, is there any bsdinstall equivalent in Ubuntu?
[16:34] <lordcirth> antranigv, well, there's debootstrap?
[16:34] <lordcirth> Not exactly a full installer, though.
[16:35] <antranigv> ah, that would make sense, lordcirth , but I checked and it's not there :(
[16:35] <antranigv> that's where I went first as well
[16:35] <lordcirth> antranigv, IIRC you can install packages in the live boot?
[16:36] <antranigv> yes I can. good point!
[16:36] <lordcirth> I had to use debootstrap to get my root-on-ZFS install
[16:36] <OerHeks> there is minimal, text installer
[16:37] <OerHeks> !mini
[16:38] <antranigv> lordcirth: we get that by default on FreeBSD. took me a while to setup root-on-ZFS for my friend's Gentoo as well.
[16:41] <josh-debian-test> Still having a lot of problems getting ubuntu18 to detect my external monitor from laptop via mini displayport
[16:41] <antranigv> okay, what's the graphical installer's command? maybe I can just SSH and forward Xorg :)
[16:43] <josh-debian-test> Ubuntu18 only sometimes detecting laptop's external display. Connected via mini displayport, tried wayland and x
[16:44] <OerHeks> antranigv, just boot the iso again? you ask solutions for non-issues
[16:44] <antranigv> never mind, found it :)
[16:45] <ioria> antranigv, ubiquity ?
[16:45] <antranigv> ioria: what? you mean why I'm installing ubuntu in a VM?
[16:45] <ioria> antranigv, never mind
[16:46] <antranigv> OerHeks: no no, I just thought that it would be also user-friendly for more specific needs as well, like running in a weird VM, not having a display, etc.
[16:47] <TJ-> antranigv: the ubuntu server installer (non live) is designed for text mode installs
[16:47] <OerHeks> again, the mini iso is a text installer, maybe more usable for your need, besides the choise of all desktops and services
[16:49] <TJ-> antranigv: from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/bionic/daily/current/
[16:49] <antranigv> no worries, I just SSHd and forwarded X, all working fine now :) thank you all <3
[16:49] <TJ-> antranigv: you had to install openssh-server?
[16:49] <antranigv> yup.
[16:50] <josh-debian-test> It seems my display completely stops working when I log out, perhaps an issue with gdm?
[16:53] <josh-debian-test> grub also doesn't know what to do with the external display
[16:53] <EriC^^> josh-debian-test: you mean you logout then restart the pc and also in grub there's no monitor?
[16:54] <josh-debian-test> EriC^^: There is no secondary monitor for my laptop when I log out of gnome, nor when grub when I start up
[16:54] <EriC^^> oh ok
[16:55] <josh-debian-test> EriC^^: A very new installation, still trying to work out what's going on. I've not seen grub yet at all
[16:55] <EriC^^> josh-debian-test: maybe there's some bios setting for it to work?
[16:55] <josh-debian-test> Uefi only and there are very few settings, I'll have a look EriC^^
[16:56] <josh-debian-test> So this time I booted without the display, plugged it in, nothing happened, then I opened gnome-settings and suddenly it recovered my display settings
[16:56] <TJ-> josh-debian-test: that's interesting! On my Asus T300chi with external monitor attached the darned thing boots using the external and the built-in panel is dark... with the external monitor powered off this can be rather confusing!
[16:57] <josh-debian-test> TJ-: I've never bothered trying to fix display issues during startup, such a headache, no idea which one is going to show
[16:57] <josh-debian-test> Is there a wayland equivalent of xrandr?
[16:58] <TJ-> josh-debian-test: it could be ACPI related - I've seen a couple of people have no external monitor discovery at all unless using a custom tuned acpi_osi= for the kernel
[16:58] <EriC^^> in one of my pc's the bios has a setting about which monitor(s) to use at startup
[16:58] <EriC^^> it's hidden deep in the settings though, it's an msi board
[16:58] <TJ-> EriC^^: yes, it did used to be a common option, or all outputs would be mirrored
[16:59] <TJ-> EriC^^: although I do recall some systems having just one output as the primary which, with multi-output adpators, was fun finding which one it is
[16:59] <OerHeks> some FN + screen keys have 4 modes: internal, both, external, off
[16:59] <josh-debian-test> TJ-: EriC^^ Off-topic, my desktop which runs debian, has no such luck with msi, it seems to always pick the analogue port before the digital
[17:00] <TJ-> OerHeks: yeah... and often those hotkeys don't work until a kernel driver is loaded to handle them :s
[17:00] <TJ-> josh-debian-test: well, Analogue is the new black ... fashions go around :)
[17:01] <josh-debian-test> TJ-: Yes, but very confusing when you have DVI and you have no idea whether it is digital or not
[17:01] <Patrezze> Hi. I get this error dhclient[5351]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp4s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 (xid=0x251e6651)
[17:01] <EriC^^> OerHeks: good point, josh try the fn and |[]| key, it sometimes works in bios/grub
[17:01] <TJ-> E.g this t300chi - uses a bluetooth-docked keyboard/touchpad. How do you interact with firmware setup? have to plug in a usb keyboard :P
[17:01] <EriC^^> josh-debian-test: ^
[17:02] <josh-debian-test> I have no fn key EriC^^
[17:02] <Patrezze> wi-fi ok. but ethernet is not connect
[17:02] <Patrezze> any idea?
[17:03] <TJ-> Patrezze: there is a DHCP server listening on the other end of the link to enp4s0 ?
[17:03] <EriC^^> josh-debian-test: oh ok
[17:05] <josh-debian-test> None of my issues are reproduceable currently EriC^^
[17:05] <EriC^^> josh-debian-test: it's working
[17:05] <EriC^^> ?
[17:06] <josh-debian-test> No, it's broken differently EriC^^
[17:06] <josh-debian-test> EriC^^: But working more than before
[17:06] <con3> well this is new, with ubuntu live usb I'm getting ubi-partman failed with exit code 10, no idea why it's popping this out
[17:06] <josh-debian-test> Does gdm operate under x or wayland, or is it independent?
[17:07] <Patrezze> TJ-: yes. But I will check the vlan configuration again in the switch.
[17:07] <josh-debian-test> con3: I just had that problem while trying to install with efi boot partition
[17:07] <TJ-> con3: there'll be a log in /var/log/partman-installer/ or a similar named directory if I recall correctly
[17:07] <con3> josh-debian-test: get a fix for it?
[17:08] <josh-debian-test> con3: Yeah, check the logs first
[17:08] <TJ-> Patrezze: the other possibility is the NIC has gone into power-save mode on the RECEIVE side only; some Intel NIC chipsets are known to do that, so if you can show us "lspci -nn -d ::0200" that would help
[17:08] <josh-debian-test> con3: I manually created the partition with Gparted, then selected it in ubiquity's 'Something else' partman
[17:09] <josh-debian-test> con3: But I wasn't trying to do anything complex like dualbooting
[17:10] <Patrezze> TJ, 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet [1969:1091] (rev 08)
[17:10] <con3> josh-debian-test: Does look like I need to do the same, not looking to dual boot either
[17:11] <TJ-> Patrezze: ok, not Intel chipset. I'll check on that Atheros just in case though, but I do not recall reports of problems with that one
[17:12] <josh-debian-test> con3: I did this exactly: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1032905/ubi-partman-failed-with-exit-code-10-ubuntu-18-04 (Vitor A's answer)
[17:14] <Patrezze> TJ, Thanks :D . I will continue to investigate the problem.
[17:15] <josh-debian-test> So loading gnome-shell with x, typing xrandr made my display flicker off and on, and the output said my display was disconnected
[17:20] <ses1984> can anyone help me understand why something like `apt install libglib2.0` would pull in dependencies like `python3` ?
[17:20] <ses1984> pragmaticenigma: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bX5HCsMHzc/
[17:20] <josh-debian-test> Output of xrandr http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PR8BB2Pgc2/
[17:21] <con3> josh-debian-test: did ubuntu ask you:  when appears where to install choose something else>
[17:21] <ses1984> i think the problem is "Note, selecting '...' for regex"
[17:21] <ses1984> i didn't realize this was default behavior for apt-get
[17:21] <josh-debian-test> con3: Sorry? did you forget to paste something?
[17:21] <con3> josh-debian-test: in step 6 on this, I havent ever seen that : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1032905/ubi-partman-failed-with-exit-code-10-ubuntu-18-04
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: Where did you get that docker image?
[17:22] <ses1984> public dockerhub?
[17:22] <josh-debian-test> con3: Oh, that is after setting your locale, keyboard
[17:23] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: I previously sent you a link for what what dependencies that package has... that's all that is required.
[17:24] <ses1984> i saw that, i think from looking at the output of my command, apt-get seems to indicate it's matching more packages, when i specify libglib2.0-0 i don't get that massive list of dependencies
[17:24] <TJ-> Patrezze: I'd recommend listening to traffic on the interface using tcpdump to confirm the system is seeing incoming packets of any kind - if there's nothing coming in then it's likely a switch/router issue
[17:24] <ses1984> i would prefer apt-get exit nonzero and do nothing rather than treating my input as a regex
[17:25] <con3> josh-debian-test: fingers crossed, it looks like it's installing :D
[17:25] <josh-debian-test> con3: It's talking about this screen: https://i.imgur.com/UNZqR0H.png, after choosing whether or not to download updates while installing etc.
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: Unfortunately this channel is not able to support Docker images. They are built by third parties and not under Canonical's teams direction. You will have to reach out to the help provided on the page you downloaded from: https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu
[17:26] <josh-debian-test> con3: Yeah, I got that far and wasn't confident it would work, but it did :D
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: Look under "Where to get help:"
[17:26] <josh-debian-test> con3: The other thing to try is to see if efibootmgr is crowded with previous entries. I nuked them all with #efibootmgr -b 0000 -B as I hadn't had a working install on that drive for a long time
[17:27] <josh-debian-test> Output of xrandr http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PR8BB2Pgc2/
[17:29] <josh-debian-test> Looks like this is what I'm looking for perhaps - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#Setup_default_monitor_settings
[17:31] <ses1984> pragmaticenigma: i'm not asking for help with the docker images.. i found my answer and now i'm just complaining that the apt-get interface is insane
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: This isn't the right forum for that
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | ses1984
[17:33] <ses1984> oh i forgot it's strict internet culture that if you find the answer to your own question, you just say, "i found it" don't explain anything and disappear. it's tradition
[17:35] <Forty-3> ses1984: apt-get *is* insane
[17:35] <nazty> hi
[17:35] <josh-debian-test> ses1984: and if you ever design a web browser, be very good at finding those questions that have no answers
[17:36] <Forty-3> does too much to be a good package manager imo
[17:36] <josh-debian-test> ses1984: I meant search engine o_O
[17:36] <con3> eh josh-debian-test I'm getting an "the installer encountered an error copying files to the hard disk errno 5 input output error
[17:36] <josh-debian-test> con3: Oh dear, sorry, I never got that one
[17:36] <nazty> im having issue installinga wireless adapter
[17:36] <con3> saying the hard drive is faulty but I highly doubt it
[17:36] <josh-debian-test> con3: Check your logs and then ask someone more experienced
[17:37] <josh-debian-test> last time I had io errors, oddly it was to do with a dodgy sata connection on the motherboard, I got millions of errors and everything told me my disk was faulty, but disconnecting an unmounted, unrelated drive fixed the issue
[17:38] <con3> josh-debian-test: :(
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> keep it ubuntu related guys
[17:39] <nazty> can someone  help me figure outhow to iinstall this netgear ac1200 wireless usb adapter on ubuntu
[17:40] <nazty> it shows up under lsusb, but no drivers
[17:41] <Ben64> nazty: what does lsusb show
[17:43] <nazty> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0846:9053 NetGear, Inc.
[17:43] <nazty> and a bunch of  unrelated stuff
[17:44] <Ben64> that one is really not well supported on linux
[17:45] <nazty> damn i have a few other wureless adapters
[17:49] <TJ-> nazty: /lib/modules/5.1.0-050100-lowlatency/modules.alias:alias usb:v0846p9053d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in* mt76x2u
[17:50] <TJ-> nazty: from the kernels I have installed here, the earliest showing support for that device is 5.0.0-8-lowlatency (comes from Ubuntu 19.04 )
[17:54] <Mech0z> Any way to make my USB3 harddrive mount with the same /mnt/sda2 name it switches between sda2 and sdd2 between reboots
[17:55] <EriC^^> Mech0z: why do you ask that
[17:56] <EriC^^> are you mounting it programatically for instance?
[17:56] <josh-debian-test> What desktop manager does kubuntu use? sddm with sddm-theme-breeze?
[17:56] <TJ-> josh-debian-test: that's Display Manager
[17:56] <josh-debian-test> Oh, thanks
[17:56] <Mech0z> EriC^^:  I have Docker compose yml configs pointing to it and SMB shares which dont work
[17:56] <Mech0z> when it changes name
[17:57] <EriC^^> Mech0z: can you use uuid instead? it's preferrable
[17:57] <TJ-> Mech0z: you shouldn't rely on the kernel-name being constant; it changes based on order of device discovery, you should use the UUID or ID, something under /dev/disk/by-*/
[17:59] <Mech0z> Ok will change the path then
[17:59] <Mech0z> thanks
[18:05] <Patrezze> TJ-: I did new tests and it only connected when unplug/plug the cable and received this message "jun 11 14:42:10 mc018002 NetworkManager[826]: <info>  [1560274930.3409] device (enp4s0): carrier: link connected". I already changed the cable and choosed other switch port
[18:05] <Patrezze> TJ-: about this "dhclient[1768]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp4s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 (xid=0x2489f071)"
[18:06] <Patrezze> TJ-: sounds like the ethernet is not managed
[18:06] <TJ-> Patrezze: but does tcpdump show any packets being received on the interface?
[18:10] <Patrezze> TJ-: before unplug/plug? Now, I am connected through. If I will reboot the system, need unplug/plug again. All the time
[18:10] <Patrezze> =/
[18:10] <Mech0z> Changing the path to for exmaple path = /dev/disk/by-label/SeagateExternal/ or path = /dev/disk/by-uuid/theguid/ dont seem to work
[18:11] <Patrezze> TJ-: I can reboot the system again and run the tcpdump
[18:11] <TJ-> Patrezze: sounds like a power-issue; use "ethtool" to check the power-save state of the interface
[18:11] <TJ-> Patrezze: ^^^ do that when the interface isn't getting an address; check the power-save state AND the wake-on-lan state
[18:12] <TJ-> Patrezze: we've seen some NICs that are in a low-power state that they don't 'wake' from unless you 'poke' them with software, or hardware unplug/plug
[18:16] <Mech0z> TJ-: wasnt this what you meant path = /dev/disk/by-label/SeagateExternal/ ?
[18:16] <Mech0z> Neither that nor uuid seems to work with samba
[18:16] <TJ-> Mech0z: yes, anything under /dev/disk/by-*/ is going to be the same on every boot
[18:17] <TJ-> Mech0z: although by-path isn't a good one since if you move the device to a different port the path will change
[18:17] <Mech0z> I gave it the label SeagateExternal but as said it dont seem to work
[18:18] <Mech0z> tried uuid but nor did that
[18:18] <TJ-> how are you trying to use it?
[18:19] <TJ-> Mech0z: you *DO NOT* give that path to samba or anything else, it IS NOT a mountpoint!
[18:19] <TJ-> Mech0z: these are alternatve DEVICE names to /dev/sdXY - sdXY can change, but these by-* won't, so you use them as the device-name in fstab
[18:20] <Patrezze> TJ-: I will try now
[18:20] <TJ-> Mech0z: in fstab you might have something like UUID=0bd636b6-6559-471d-98e5-74a40844f9e5 /srv/devel ...
[18:21] <Mech0z> TJ-:  so fstab maps the uuid to some const value
[18:21] <TJ-> Mech0z: or you might use "/dev/disk/by-id/....   /srv/devel ...." or "LABEL=SeageateExternal /src/devel ..."
[18:21] <Mech0z> TJ-:  but thats what I tried in the smb config file path = /dev/disk/by-label/SeagateExternal/
[18:22] <TJ-> Mech0z: yes, it looks up the UUID in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ which are just symlinks. Do "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" and you'll see
[18:22] <TJ-> Mech0z: NO, not in the smb.conf - that wants a MOUNTPOINT directory, not a device
[18:22] <TJ-> Mech0z: you're doing the same as if you put "file path = /dev/sda4"
[18:24] <TJ-> Mech0z: Here's a complete process: "mkdir /mnt/SeageateExternal; mount /dev/disk/by-label/SeagateExternal /mnt/SeagateExternal; echo "file path = /mnt/SeagateExternal" >> /etc/samba/smb.conf" :)
[18:32] <Patrezze> TJ-: ethtool result  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wq4NsDFYF7/
[18:33] <TJ-> Patrezze: that's after the reboot? And the link didn't get an IP address at that point?
[18:34] <TJ-> Patrezze: I think you might need to use "ethtool --show-features" to get more detailed info
[18:34] <TJ-> Patrezze: it could be a problem with Generic Receive Offload (GRO) for example
[18:35] <Mech0z> TJ-: that worked, but after a reboot it wasnt mounted anymore
[18:36] <TJ-> Mech0z: well no, you need to add a permanent entry into /etc/fstab that matches
[18:36] <Mech0z> ah ok
[18:37] <TJ-> Mech0z: if you used my command line then something like: echo "LABEL=SeagateExternal /mnt/SeagateExternal ext4 defaults 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab "
[18:37] <Patrezze> TJ-: exactly. Ok, I do this
[18:40] <Patrezze> TJ-: show features: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gj4jbf7FrY/
[18:41] <TJ-> Patrezze: it may not be the cause but I see " generic-receive-offload: on"
[18:42] <Patrezze> TJ-: how I can fix that?
[18:43] <TJ-> Patrezze: well, you can turn it off manually and see if that helps, but not sure if you can do that from boot-time easily. E.g. "ethtool --offload enp4s0 gro off"
[18:44] <lacrymology> hello. Ubuntu doesn't see my wifi card though it shows up in lspci
[18:45] <lacrymology> I tried this, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/04/nstall-rtl8723de-wifi-driver-ubuntu-19-04/ the module is loaded, but still nothing under network manager
[18:47] <Mech0z> TJ-:  think it works now, thanks :)
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: realtek chipsets are sensitive to different kernels, you can try several kernel versions or try the realtek drivers git
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: whats your kernel version and ubuntu release?
[18:50] <lacrymology> lotuspsychje: 4.18.0-21-generic/ 18.04
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: sudo lshw -C network , shows your driver= loaded?
[18:51] <TJ-> lacrymology: can you show us "ls -l /sys/class/net/*/device" ?
[18:53] <lacrymology> lotuspsychje: lshw -C network says "unclaimed"
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: ok, try the command from TJ-
[18:53] <lacrymology> TJ-: shows only the eno1 device
[18:54] <lacrymology> the ehternet
[18:54] <lacrymology> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jun 11 20:40 /sys/class/net/eno1/device -> ../../../0000:02:00.0
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: your uefi settings set correctly? some settings can block hardware
[18:55] <TJ-> lacrymology: OK, so likely no wifi device
[18:55] <lacrymology> works under windows
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: maybe show us your dmesg plz?
[18:55] <OerHeks> .. fastboot?
[18:55] <lacrymology> the whole thing?
[18:55] <TJ-> lacrymology: the PC works on the wired network I guess?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: in a pastebin please, yes
[18:56] <lacrymology> http://dpaste.com/1DDNCCR
[18:56] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: if so, "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; dmesg  )"
[18:56] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: oops :D
[18:57] <TJ-> lacrymology: show us "lspci -nnk" please
[18:58] <lacrymology> http://dpaste.com/0HBB50Z
[18:59] <TJ-> lacrymology: so no driver loaded for "RTL8821CE"
[18:59] <TJ-> lacrymology: what is funny here is, I built that driver for someone else yesterday!
[18:59] <TJ-> lacrymology: you need to build it from a github repo, are you OK to do that?
[19:01] <jrm> I think I removed a required python package.  Now networking isn't working: `% sudo service networking restart` reports 'Failed to restart networking.service: Unit networking.service not found.'  Suggestions?
[19:02] <con3> ok windows is installed
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> lacrymology: nouveau also in dmesg, wifi not there, secureboot: Secure boot could not be determined (mode 0) i would suspect uefi settings
[19:02] <lacrymology> TJ-: just foiund a stack answer forthis, I think it might be the same? the repo from tomaspinho?
[19:02] <con3> Now to remove it and install ubuntu
[19:03] <TJ-> lacrymology: here's how: "sudo -i" then "mkdir /usr/src/rtl8821ce-5.2.5; cd /usr/src/tyl8821ce-5.2.5; git clone https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce.git; dkms add rtl8821ce/5.2.5; dkms install rtl8821ce/5.2.5"
[19:03] <TJ-> lacrymology: oops, typos, let me redo that!
[19:03] <TJ-> lacrymology: here's how: "sudo -i" then "mkdir /usr/src/rtl8821ce-5.2.5; cd /usr/src/rtl8821ce-5.2.5; git clone https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce.git; dkms add rtl8821ce/5.2.5; dkms install rtl8821ce/5.2.5"
[19:19] <OerHeks> yes
[20:09] <renn0xtk9> I install ubunut on usb stick from a live cd when booting from stick I  starts to boot, I enter the password for harddisk encryption the blackscreen with mousepointer. Frozen. Any idea how to troubleshoot
[20:18] <gallomimia> nvidia updates today?
[20:24] <OerHeks> oh, a lot of updates now, python, cups..
[20:24] <gallomimia> quite the collection. it's still downloading
[20:24] <OerHeks> https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[20:25] <gallomimia> holy..... crap
[20:25] <OerHeks> reboot needed, brb
[20:28] <gallomimia> me too i guess
[20:29] <gallomimia> can't seem to launch a game for some reason
[20:29] <gallomimia> but all those updates...
[20:33] <gallomimia> !ping
[20:34] <gallomimia> thank you mister ubottu
[20:34] <gallomimia> everything seems to work now...
[20:37] <doubtful> hi
[20:37] <doubtful> I am trying to connect to logitech master 2s mouse to my computer
[20:37] <doubtful> but it is not discoverable in the bluetooth devices.
[20:38] <gallomimia> and... do you plug it in?
[20:38] <gallomimia> oh it's BT
[20:38] <gallomimia> usually you have to initiate connection from the mouse
[20:38] <gallomimia> in the case of mouses
[20:38] <doubtful> Yeah the mouse is in pairing mode
[20:38] <gallomimia> and your computer is discoverable?
[20:38] <doubtful> it is discovered by other computer.
[20:39] <gallomimia> oh that's an issue
[20:39] <gallomimia> read your manual. probably says pair to one only
[20:39] <gallomimia> unpair first
[20:39] <doubtful> I can pair to 3, I unpaired from first one anyways
[20:40] <gallomimia> hm.
[20:40] <doubtful> it is weird.
[20:40] <gallomimia> have you any other BT devices? try pairing those to this computer. sounds like an issue with your current PC not behaving right
[20:40] <doubtful> I am not sure how to go about this.
[20:40] <doubtful> Yeah I can connect my bluetooth headphones to ubuntu computer
[20:41] <gallomimia> i'm sorry i can't be more help. i do know BT is a finnickey tech
[20:41] <gallomimia> the last time i ran ubuntu on a computer with BT, the BT module wouldn't work. no drivers
[20:42] <gallomimia> stupid broadcomm....
[20:42] <pizzaiolo> anyone here run adobe CC within wine and if so how well does it work?
[20:42] <jeremy31> doubtful post url from terminal for> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:42] <pizzaiolo> s/within/with
[20:43] <doubtful> jeremy31, https://termbin.com/q0b7
[20:43] <gallomimia> bah. is steam really still not using standard window drawing routines? it suddenly stopped responding to clicks while a game is open
[20:44] <gallomimia> can't even close or move the window... royal pain. please let me rightclick my friend to join it!
[20:46] <OerHeks> pizzaiolo, ask in #winehq or check their database?
[20:46] <OerHeks> !wine
[20:46] <TJ-> doubtful: do you have to do something on the mouse itself to switch it into Bluetooth mode, rather than unify ?
[20:49] <jeremy31> doubtful: It is an Atheros Bluetooth chipset, so I don't think it is an issue with firmware like what can happen with Broadcom
[20:51] <doubtful> My mouse is in the mode initiate pairing. I long-press a button and the light blinks rapidly, so I know for sure it is in pairing mode
[20:51] <doubtful> TJ-, ^does this help?
[20:53] <jeremy31> doubtful, in terminal> bluetoothctl
[20:53] <jeremy31> see if any devices found show as new
[21:02] <jeremy31> doubtful if you have a [bluetooth] prompt, type> scan on
[21:03] <TJ-> doubtful: I can only assume it tries to pair in both bluetooth and unify mode at the same time, but with it doing both, I wondered if you had to 'tell' it to try Bluetooth rather than Unify
[21:04] <OerHeks> i just get: Canonical Livepatch has experienced an internal error. Please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Livepatch#CommonIssues for further information.
[21:04] <TJ-> doubtful: do you have logitech unify receivers connected anywhere as well?
[21:04] <TJ-> OerHeks: someone else reported that yesterday too
[21:05] <TJ-> OerHeks: might be worth checking with the Canonical sysadmins in case its a server issue
[21:05] <OerHeks> oke, no just desktop
[21:07] <TJ-> someone else reported the same thing about 24 hours ago
[21:09] <OerHeks> TJ-, turning off and on again, gives a green check
[21:09] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1149190/livepatch-error
[21:09] <OerHeks> hmmz
[21:09] <OerHeks> do not like it
[21:10] <rfm> Is there any way to bypass my ~/.profile when logging in the console?  (Like ssh --noprofile,, but for a local login not net.)
[21:11] <TJ-> rfm: not unless you move it out the way
[21:20] <EriC^^> rfm: you could add something in your profile like if $XDG...something is set to run it
[21:22] <EriC^^> if [[ -n $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ]]; then run the stuff or something similar
[21:23] <rfm> If I could get in to do any of those I'd be fine (I have managed to have a directory in my $PATH that is on a NFS hard mount to a server that's down.)  I'll just boot into rescue mode and change the mount to soft....
[21:26] <TJ-> rfm: so ssh hangs? is that once you start issuing commands, or at the log-in itself?
[21:31] <TJ-> OerHeks: Canonical dev says can you report the bug to https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-livepatch-client
[21:31] <rfm> TJ-, it never gets to the prompt at login (I presume it's hung on some profile/bashrc command just after $PATH is reset.)  It's fixed now, at the cost of a reboot.
[21:31] <TJ-> OerHeks: they don't see anything server-side
[21:31] <TJ-> rfm: doh :)
[21:37] <shibboleth> there were quite a few python and systemd updates today that are not covered on usn?
[21:38] <OerHeks> shibboleth, indeed, not all are labeled that high
[21:38] <sappheiros> sound juicer gives me the error that my directory for copying (USB drive) is 'read-only file system'
[21:38] <sappheiros> but viewing properties from fileman(?) seems to show that i have ability to modify contents
[21:39] <sappheiros> how do i check whether the drive is formatted compatible with ubuntu 18.10 filesystem? is it possible to fix it so sound juicer can copy (without reformatting the entire drive)?
[21:40]  * sappheiros checks https://askubuntu.com/questions/211696/read-only-file-system
[21:40] <OerHeks> and what filesystem is that?
[21:42] <sappheiros> OerHeks: how do i check? (i am still searching -- i basically search after asking questions here ...)
[21:50] <sappheiros> df doesn't say whether it's fat32 or etc
[21:52] <OerHeks> sudo fdisk -l
[21:53] <OerHeks> or 'mount' would tell you too, RO or RW
[21:54] <OerHeks> *if* ro, do a fsck  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[21:54] <sappheiros> OerHeks: thank you. i read the 'mount' man/help info and it didn't appear to be for listing info, but only for mounting with various additional acitons ...
[21:54] <sappheiros> it shows one sector as EFI system and another sector as Apple HFS/HFS+
[21:54] <sappheiros> is the EFI system for the device's own plug-and-play features and recovery stuff?
[21:55] <sappheiros> so if the folder i want to write into is Apple HFS+ then I must reformat the entire thing to use with ubuntu, right?
[21:56] <EriC^^> sappheiros: it'd be easier, you can still write to it though i think there's a way to write on hfs from ubuntu
[21:58]  * sappheiros checks https://duckduckgo.com/?q=efi+system&t=qupzilla&ia=web
[21:59] <sappheiros> EriC^^: thanks ... i guess i'd need to try more web searches to elaborate your statement, but i don't have time this week.
[22:00] <sappheiros> i just realized i should search before asking, not vice versa
[22:02] <sappheiros> should i `sudo umount` before unplugging USB drive?
[22:02] <pragmaticenigma> sappheiros: always recommended
[22:02] <sappheiros> pragmaticenigma: i tried clicking eject icon from taskbar icon but nothing seems to happen. is that a lubuntu 18.10 problem?
[22:03] <sappheiros> nvm
[22:03] <sappheiros> they disappeared from the pcmanfile thingy
[22:03] <sappheiros> but still option to eject is on taskbar
[22:03] <sappheiros> it does not appear now on df -h: does that mean it's safe to unplug now?
[22:04] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[22:04] <sappheiros> great, thanks
[22:23] <VilleVicious> My ubuntu (18.04) seems to have problems recognizing my ebook reader (Cybook Muse HD).  runnig lsusb doesn't show anything that would be easily recognizable as the reader.
[22:32] <OerHeks> VilleVicious, does calibre recognise it ?
[22:32] <OerHeks> !info calibre
[22:33] <Senhara> I have a question, after the latest `sudo apt upgrade` I can't seem to execute ANYTHING that requires root privileges, but oddly enough `passwd` works.
[22:33] <OerHeks> Senhara,  latest bunch of updates require reboot
[22:34] <Senhara> Oh, so nothing works until then?
[22:34] <OerHeks> if you run the update gui, it will tell you
[22:34] <Senhara> I'm all CLI based for updating
[22:35] <Senhara> d-bus did complain about needing a reboot to replace the current daemon process
[22:35] <OerHeks> if /var/run/reboot-required exists, ..
[22:36] <OerHeks> i would the change from apt-get to apt handle this more conveniantly, with a message, but no
[22:40] <Senhara> The /var/run/reboot-required file exists
[22:40] <Senhara> 0 bytes in size
[22:41] <OerHeks> oke, that file will be gone after reboot :-)
[22:44] <hggdh> Senhara: if you cat /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs it will tell you which packages are requesting a reboot
[22:45] <hggdh> (hint: dbus)
[22:45] <OerHeks> hggdh +1
[22:50] <Senhara> Ty
[22:50] <Senhara> Buuut that file doesn't exist
[22:53] <sarnold> hggdh: oh neat
[23:01] <Senhara> hggdh: That file doesn't exist, where would the data be?
[23:03] <OerHeks> no file, obviously no data that sets that file
[23:08] <arooni> how do i turn off the 'feature' that after a timeout my screen just shows a a clock and needs to be unlocked (18.04)
[23:11] <Senhara> Why would this cause me to lose sudo?
[23:15] <OerHeks> i still think the latest updates today needed reboot.