[00:00] was one of those particularly outstanding? [00:00] it brought the start of systemD [00:00] omfg :P [00:00] and netplan [00:01] so, yes, a high learning curve, but bionic is pretty stable [00:01] disco as well :) [00:01] i love it [00:02] * ryuo imagines dancing dogs at a disco. [00:02] hehe [00:03] puff: i wouldn't upgrade yet unless you have a reason to. [00:03] ryuo: Hm, thanks, I think I'll follow that advice. [00:03] dingos are cool animals, imho [00:03] puff: that's my advice to less technical users. it gives LTS releases more times to resolve issues. [00:03] go wild on upgrading; tip: prepare an USB with a fresh iso before you do that [00:03] s/times/time/ [00:04] puff: i've seen upgrades with regressions, so i only upgrade if i can afford to deal with them at the time. [00:05] next year i will need to upgrade away from Xenial.. i usually do that the year before support runs out. [00:05] meh, i get a faster pc when i boot with "noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off mitigations=off " [00:05] oops [00:06] OerHeks: and no protection. [00:07] jups, 45% faster infected [00:08] 45%? ouch [00:09] well, predicted, not really, because one must do something with the kernel to make it happen, actually [00:10] gallomimia, did you get output of these commands from systemd-analyze? [00:11] OerHeks: that's astonishing. How are you measuring performance? [00:13] sysbench is a good and oldie [00:13] .. but this i3 without HT is crippled anyway [00:58] there is a linux program that is same with final cut pro? [00:59] what does final cut pro do? [00:59] editing youtube video [01:00] cwrf: take a look at kdenlive [01:01] cwrf: there's a handful of non-linear video editors available, but I've heard this name the most often. apt-cache search non-linear video will find more [01:02] sarnold, you don't know exact program name? === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:03] cwrf: kdenlive is the one that I hear about most often [01:03] cwrf: pitivi, kino, kdenlive [01:04] there's also flowblade kino openshot-qt pitivi [01:04] ah thanks sarnold and jack [01:04] np :) [01:04] openshot, obs studio https://snapcraft.io/search?category=photo-and-video [01:04] many people edit youtube video using linux program instead of final cut pro? [01:05] https://ubuntustudio.org/tour/video/ [01:24] Hey everyone, I did the usual sudo apt update/upgrade and fucked everything. uwsgi keeps outputting this in the log file: https://pastebin.com/mHeJLfBM these are the packages that were upgraded: https://pastebin.com/cx4CAY2y everything worked fine till this upgrade, I can't roll back the upraded packages and I'm currently on python 3.6.8. Anyone here maybe know how I can go about fixing this ? [01:25] running Ubuntu on a DO droplet with Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS [01:26] If I download all of the .debs that make up the gcc collection of packages locally (https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/gcc-5) how can I install them all at once with dpkg/apt so that they satisfy each other's dependencies? [01:27] it seems like I can't pass more than one file to dpkg -i [01:29] How to set up SSH access to Ubuntu servers via the Tor network with one command: https://youtu.be/iib2nG0mvfo Not trying to spam, thought some of you may be interested :) [01:30] plouj, an unofficial solution to this is a hand-written python script https://askubuntu.com/questions/708067/install-multiple-deb-files-while-respecting-their-dependencies (second answer, not the first one) [01:31] con3: python3.6 was rebuilt against openssl 1.1.1 earlier https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.6/3.6.8-1~18.04.1 -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1797386 -- were those libraries updated earlier? [01:31] Launchpad bug 1797386 in python-tornado (Ubuntu Bionic) "[SRU] OpenSSL 1.1.1 to 18.04 LTS" [Undecided,Fix committed] [01:31] normally the metapackage is enough to pull all dep. in [01:31] con3: does uwsgi restart fine if you stop it all and start it all again? [01:32] sarnold: restarting doesn't help. It keeps outputting that same message [01:32] con3: can you rebuild the package in /usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/psycopg2 ? [01:34] sarnold: just reinstalling the package with pip? [01:35] con3: if pip will rebuild the package, yeah === mouses is now known as mous [01:54] sarnold: A lot seems to be back up and running, thank you. trying to fix the rest. might need some more help in a bit. Really really appreciate it [01:57] con3: re-installing psycopg2 via pip helped? [02:02] sarnold: yes! I can access the site again for some reason rabbitmq is gone, so trying to get it going now [02:03] con3: we got a bit lucky that uwsgi went to some effort to dump it's stack traces (and further, even did a very good job of it; that wouldn't always work out so well..) [02:16] can anyone help me understand why my TV connected to this computer has a 60Hz refresh rate, but my LED monitor does not... i've been super concerned about the rate because sometimes i connect this monitor with DP, and sometimes with HDMI. some quirks about DP not turning the monitor on and such. but why no refresh rate? (i'm told the age of my card and this display means it doesn't run HDMI at the new modern speeds, so 30hz is all i get at 1440p [02:17] like.... why does my display setting not show ANY refresh rate? [02:19] rabbitmq, celery and flower are up. testing more [02:20] con3: what'd you have to do for rabbitmq? [02:25] gallomimia: xrandr should dump a ton of available modes, and I believe second column is the refresh rate for that mode [02:26] sarnold: not much, it was completely gone, so I reinstalled it reran flower and it couldn't find the host, then I recreated the host, user and added the permissions. [02:28] con3: *completely gone*? whaaaat happened :/ [02:28] interesting sarnold thanks. it spits out 59.95*+ in this case. what do those symbols mean? [02:28] gallomimia: + is preferred, * is current [02:28] ah [02:29] and i guess if it doesn't have more than one selection, do not display choices [02:29] sarnold: I have no idea... when I saw flower wasn't loading the workers, I checked whether celery was running, when it was fine I checked rabbitmq and it told me I needed to install it :/ [02:29] welp i'm never updating shit again [02:30] lol a good policy. try to mind the profanity [02:30] con3: could you add a summary of your experience to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1797386 ? [02:30] Launchpad bug 1797386 in python-tornado (Ubuntu Bionic) "[SRU] OpenSSL 1.1.1 to 18.04 LTS" [Undecided,Fix committed] [02:34] sarnold: will in a bit, not getting any data in, so need to figure out what's going on with the sensor node :) [02:35] con3: right :( sorry for the trouble [03:05] Can someone please tell me in grep '^*.*[^I][^I]*@' what [^I] stands for? [03:08] sarnold: No worries at all, thank you so much for your help. I dont know what I would've done if it wasn't for you. thank you [03:10] anyone? [03:33] hello, I am really strugleing to do somthing and google just is not helping me [03:34] I think I have done this before, so I think it is possible. [03:34] The nvidia drivers on my ubuntu 14-04 install are messed up from a new graphics card [03:34] I want to reinstall them via a live usb stick [03:35] I am on the live stick right now, but I do not know how to set up the terminal such that it is accessing my ubuntu install [03:35] I want to update (not a dist upgrade) the existing ubuntu install [03:36] Can anyone provide some guidence? [03:41] !14.04 | Poz123 [03:41] Poz123: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) was the 20th release of Ubuntu. !End-of-life was April 25th, 2019. Paid support (ESM) is available. See also !esm, !eol, !eolupgrade [03:46] Yes, very helpful. This is why I came here [03:46] To be told its out of the lts phase [03:47] it is unsupported in this irc channel [03:47] it shoult not be very different between 16.04 or 18.04... should it? I have a live usb and a ubuntu install onto a ssd. I am on the live usb, I want to gain access to the ubuntu install [03:48] should* [03:48] how would I do this if it were 18.04? === [b0b] is now known as b0b [04:25] Sveta: thanks. Would generating a control file and running mk-build-depends also work? [04:27] How to change keyboard layout language with ctrl+shift instead of super+space? [04:27] In 19.04 [04:29] In keyboard settings menu, when it asks for a new switch, I press ctrl+shift and nothing happens. [04:30] However, when I press ctrl+shift+%random letter key% it registers ok. [04:32] plouj, huh? [05:07] fastfresh, i do believe you need to have it be an actual key press, not just modifiers. [05:15] Does it mean I can't have ctrl shift? I had it back on 16.04 though, worked ok [05:18] oh well, maybe so [05:29] shouldn't swap in ubuntu 18.04 be replaced with a swap file? [05:38] or rather, how can i increase swap on 18.04? [06:11] ok, so the reason i can't get the hwe kernel during my preseed is that i'm using 18.04, not 18.04.1 or 18.04.2. i can't change that right now, but i think i should be able to get it via updates during install... [06:13] fastfresh: see the 'xkeyboard-config' man page, under "Switching to another layout" [06:15] fastfresh: what you want is 'grp:ctrl_shift_toggle' [06:16] Thabk you [06:18] fastfresh: try 'setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle' [06:19] How do I persist the change? [06:19] I guess if I set it with setxkbmap it will reset after reboot? [06:19] i would put it in ~/.xsessionrc [06:20] Ok thanks [06:28] DId today's OpenSSL update break SSL for lighttpd for anyone else on 18.04? (My logs are now full of "SSL: renegotiation initiated by client, killing connection" messages after the OpenSSL update) [06:35] jimt: mention also your bug # to the channel, as its related. volunteers might have more ideas [06:37] lotuspsychje: Thanks. Was kind of still at the 'is it just me' stage of confirmation... but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lighttpd/+bug/1832295 [06:37] Launchpad bug 1832295 in lighttpd (Ubuntu) "lighttpd broken by OpenSSL update" [Undecided,New] [06:38] jimt: a bug report is never silly, it can result to more details and ideas [06:38] is that the reason I'm getting gpg key rjection today? [06:41] OpenSSL got SRU'd to 1.1.1 (yay!) and all the rdeps had to be rebuilt and bumped. It is possible some packages is still not playing well. Please report any breakage you experience. [06:41] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KRxn3wT2DB/ [06:42] any ideas why im suddenly getting a key rejection when it's been working for the past few months? [06:47] eraserpencil: you have external ppa's added to your system, wich we dont support, for official repos you could ask in #ubuntu-mirrors [06:47] eraserpencil: but before you do, its adviced to bring back your ppa's to vanilla ubuntu sources [06:49] eraserpencil: It looks like ROS updated their key https://answers.ros.org/question/325039/apt-update-fails-cannot-install-pkgs-key-not-working/ [06:50] thanks jimt, been searching ros answers for hours. not sure how i did not come across that question [06:52] Hello [06:53] I am having some trouble with an installation of Ubuntu18.04 on a microsoft surfaceP3, with strange grub and efi errors [06:54] I am having some trouble with an installation of Ubuntu18.04 on a microsoft surfaceP3, with strange grub and efi errors [06:54] Oops ^ [06:57] I tried deleting all entries in efibootmgr as root, and making a bootable efi partition (fat32) on the drive prior to running the installer [06:58] josh-debian-test: should work: https://news.softpedia.com/news/here-s-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-running-on-the-microsoft-surface-pro-3-520894.shtml [06:58] lotuspsychje: I read that it should work fine, but I believe previous efi installations are causing me unique problems [07:01] lotuspsychje: That guide appears to be in a latinate language, otherwise in English it just says "partition the ssd" before running the installer [07:02] josh-debian-test: did you disable secureboot? [07:03] lotuspsychje: yes and the screen is now red during eufi startup [07:04] lotuspsychje: I rebooted and tried again and I've gotten further in the installer than before, so that's a start [07:05] great josh-debian-test [07:05] lotuspsychje: I remember opensuse tumbleweed installed fine, but I had to chroot in and fix the bootloader, but I didn't write down how I did that [07:06] Does ubiquity run grub-config before or after it updates packages? [07:11] lotuspsychje: up to update-initramfs [07:13] grub-install ran successfully... [07:13] josh-debian-test: please dont use this channel to detail progress, only when you have issues [07:13] lotuspsychje: The issue will come, don't you worry about it ;) [07:25] hello. I am currently using `xrandr` to query some information in a script I wrote. however, I must poll xrandr often, and it carries a substantial graphics lag (~1 second). is there 'somewhere else' i can get the same info from `xrandr -q` on the system, something in /proc or somewhere? [07:28] seravitae: what data do you need [07:31] hi [07:32] can you help me? i have 2 monitors for lapto pvia usb hub. (displaylink port) it worked until friday afternoon when i went home, now it does not recognize monitors. [07:35] Jackneill, maybe kernel update happen, so try the previous one from grub menu [07:43] Ben64: generally a line indicating the status of the physical display, something like this: `DP-1 connected 3440x1440+0+0 inverted (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 800mm x 335mm [07:43] ` [07:44] alternatively, a hotplug notice (when the monitor connects or disconnects) would be just as useful a trigger in this case. [07:53] Ben64: i seem to get a trigger in `udevadm monitor` for hotplug events, only on one of my monitors (not the primary display). fortunately it's the monitor I am trying to.. monitor for events, so that's useful, however udevadm seems to be a live-polling app, whereas i need a logfile somewhere. but it's a start. [07:57] seravitae: neither. you write an udev rule that calls a script. [07:57] Yeah. I just discovered that reading some docs. hopefully calling xrandr to make the necessary change isn't considered blocking or a long-running process as udev seems to not like those [07:58] seravitae: then write a systemd service for xorg and have udev rule start teh (one-shot probably) service [07:58] ah. yeah. that'd be a good plan B. thanks. [07:59] s/for xorg/for xrandr/ [08:01] noted. or even lazily, just rm/touch a status file somewhere on the fs that my other script can just poll for... lots of options. udev was the answer. thanks! [08:02] seravitae: btw, if you'll be using a systemd service unit, don't forget that udev can call them directly, ie. you shouldn't use RUN= directive, but ENV{SYSTEMD_WANTS} [08:02] Ok, i'll keep that in mind. will probably do this a bit more hackier than systemd just from my own familiarity. [08:03] seravitae: systemd and a myriad of its options was designed specifically so you wouldn't have to write some polling script somehwere (which is then run... how? :) ) but use the event subsystem of systemd and friends [08:04] i'll definitely look into it.. though i've generally got my own python polling script for checking lots of things. it's certainly not better than doing it properly. but it's easier for me to maintain/understand. [08:04] sure. you've got options now :) [08:04] i do! and learning many things. === BrianG61UK_ is now known as BrianG61UK [08:48] why even after rm -rf /, I can see grub screen? is it only for non uefi system? [08:49] AK are you trying to break something? [08:50] yeah [08:50] just curious about it [08:50] I think grub is installed in nvram so I can see the grub even after rm rf? [08:50] AK, if you have dual boot, you will see grub boot menu by default [08:53] AK: depends on which part of GRUB you're seeing. If it is the menu then you failed to delete the /boot/grub/grub.cfg, if you see the grub rescue> shell prompt that comes from the gRUB stage 1 code in GRUB's core image [08:56] hi there! i am wondering how i can use netplan and ALSO make sure the resolv.conf file reflects the correct dns settings? [08:57] the host behaves correctly, but the resolv.conf file shows a dns "127.0.0.53" and thats not what i setup in my netplan config? [08:57] the software that i want to run seems to only look at the resolv.conf file :( [08:59] TJ-: what about /proc not getting deleted? [09:00] AK: proc is a kernel file-system, exposing internal kernel values, so its not possible [09:01] any idea how to unfuck this? [09:03] friendlyguy: is anything really broken? 127.0.0.53 is local systemd-resolved stub resolver which should THEN in turn be configured to use the upstream YOU supplied to netplan [09:04] Hi. When ubuntu prompts for a password, an alert is displayed that does not allow focus change while typing this password. This interferes with my ability to use the on screen keyboard of my choice. Is there a way to disable this "feature"? [09:05] AK: grub would be in the mbr thats why its still there [09:05] I should say, when it prompts for a password to gain root privileges, like when running gparted or updating [09:06] friendlyguy: use "systemd-resolve --status" will show the DNS set for each link, and the global default [09:07] syb0rg: hmmm, that is an interesting problem; someone wasn't thinking about accessibility there! [09:07] syb0rg: Are you using standard Ubuntu (Gnome desktop environment) ? [09:08] yes TJ- I am [09:08] syb0rg: which Ubuntu release is it? [09:08] 18.04 [09:08] syb0rg: I'll do a quick search for bugs on this but there are other people here much more familiar with the Ubuntu DE than me (I won't use it!) [09:09] ok TJ-, thanks for looking. I usually use kubuntu or xubuntu myself, but vanilla ubuntu seems better for the tablet I just got [09:09] it at least makes an attempt to be tablet friendly =P [09:10] syb0rg: :( been reported since 2009 Bug #421660 [09:10] bug 421660 in gksu (Ubuntu) "gksu's and gksudo's modal password prompt prevents OnBoard's virtual keyboard input, causing accessibility issues" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421660 [09:10] HAH. The exact virtual keyboard I am using, even. [09:11] well good find [09:11] syb0rg: looks like it was fixed once but has been re-broken [09:11] hmmm lovely. [09:11] syb0rg: Can you start a NEW bug report and link to that one ? [09:11] how wonderful it is to be in a minority use case [09:11] I will take that under consideration TJ- [09:11] syb0rg: the underlying default DE has changed from Unity to Gnome so that may be part of it [09:12] fair point [09:12] syb0rg: also, it may be using pkexec (policykit) not gksu/gksudo now as well! [09:13] Ok, either way I at least know exactly what applications I should try to mess with now [09:13] so you have been helpful [09:13] syb0rg: I use xubuntu - do you get this issue there too? [09:14] syb0rg: if not it would seem to confirm the issue is specific to the DE, not the underlying tools [09:14] haven't tried xubuntu on this device, TJ- [09:15] syb0rg: I wonder... I'll try enabling it here and running something that requires privilege elevation... hmmm... trying to think of some GUI program that requires that! [09:15] gparted [09:16] oh good point! I should have thought of that [09:16] hmmm, in xubuntu, cannot find where to enable the onscreen keyboard. Accessibility options just do sticky keys and stuff [09:16] I do not think the other ubuntu flavors besides vanilla include one by default [09:17] I needed one for the login screen, which is why I chose vanilla [09:17] (one reason) [09:17] Ahh, there's a specific settings 'app' for onboard [09:17] you could always install onboard if you are curious, but if you can change focus when the dialog is displayed there probably is no issue [09:18] now just to get onboard to actually display itself! [09:18] if you run onboard you should get an icon in the system tray that allows you to enable, if it does not just display [09:18] oh i so very much hate netplan! [09:20] syb0rg: works :) [09:20] syb0rg: so must be a Gnome thing, at least not affecting Xubuntu 18.04 [09:20] syb0rg: the options in onboard are pretty neat; auto-hide if using physical keyboard, etc. [09:21] yeah it is a pretty great little program [09:21] syb0rg: I notice it has an auto hide if the device isn't indicating it's a tablet, too [09:21] I have come to appreciate it after trying to use the horrible virtual keyboard that is caribou, which is sadly the one integrated into ubuntu [09:22] syb0rg: I'm going to keep that; this PC has a bluetooth dock for keyboard/touchpad so if that won't connect I can use onbaord with the touchscreen (possibly!) [09:22] why people try to reinvent the wheel when a far better one exists, I just don't know [09:22] nice :-) [09:22] syb0rg: I agree entirely; makes me VERY frustrated at times [09:22] syb0rg: NIH as the saying goes [09:23] hmmmm.... nobody is human? nothing is harmful? Neptune inside (a) hangar? [09:23] syb0rg: Not Invented Here [09:23] I see [09:24] syb0rg: please do report this as a bug, and let me have the number, I'll try to get it in front of the devs that can do something about it [09:24] TJ- syb0rg would dconf-editor have an option for this? [09:24] maybe lets check first there? [09:24] Ok TJ-, I will at least make a note of it and kick the can down the road to my weekend self. [09:24] lotuspsychje, no idea but I will look [09:25] what is this password thing called? [09:25] lotuspsychje: huh? [09:25] lotuspsychje, either gksu(do) or policykit apparently [09:26] a modal dialog displayed when a graphical prompt for privilege escalation is required [09:26] lotuspsychje: the issue here is that when the DE asks for the user's password for e.g. running gparted, it uses a system modal dialog box which prevents the on-screen keyboard from being used to type the password [09:26] to be exact: an on-screen keyboard that is not the one that ships with ubuntu [09:26] lotuspsychje: "system modal" means it refuses to let focus move to the onscreen keyboard [09:27] that one works if you have not specifically disabled it like I have so you can use an actual functional virtual keyboard instead [09:27] in ubuntu 18.04 when I press ctrl+alt+F2 I get into full screen terminal. How do I get out of there? F11 does not work. Thanks [09:27] so this problem probably effects about five people in other words [09:27] friendlyguy: why do you hate netplan? Learning new things is always a challenge no matter what it is :) [09:28] gofio: it's behind F1 now [09:28] gofio: Alt+ - F1 == tty1, F2 == tty2, etc [09:28] i am wanting to add a menu option in the right-click menu for files and folders to open as root. this used to work using gksu thunar %f [09:28] akik: thanks, gonna try right away TJ [09:30] syb0rg: its certainly an anti-operator pattern especially for accessiblity since the devs cannot know what degree of accessibility support, or tooling, the operator needs [09:30] well, ctrl+alt+f2 not working now but will try later. I've started ubuntu in wayland [09:30] true TJ- [09:30] thanks [09:30] this problem also applies to whatever the show all apps screen is called [09:30] the start menu replacement [09:30] gofio: is wayland on some other tty than F1? [09:31] you can only type there with the default virtual keyboard (or a physical one) [09:31] syb0rg: It does sound like a 'Gnome' issue now Ubuntu has switched (back) to that [09:31] probably TJ- but how much have Canonical modified gnome for ubuntu? [09:32] akik: don't know but usually don't make that choice. My configuration right now is not usual either and kinda a pain just to explain [09:32] syb0rg: not sure if this will assist you but... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33065735/replacing-gnomes-virtual-keyboard-with-onboard-hide-show-via-dbus-doesnt-wor [09:32] gofio: so ctrl+alt+f1 didn't get you back the graphical ui? [09:32] even though it rimes xD [09:32] akik: ctrl+alt+f2 did not get me into terminal first [09:33] TJ-, I will definitely try that later. Looks like a great approach [09:33] syb0rg: as I understand it the modifications are mostly thematic, although on 18.04 they may be more invasive than more recent releases [09:33] syb0rg: add that info to your bug report if it works, please [09:33] Ok [09:33] but it does in other occasions (that not Ocasio) [09:34] i have no idea [09:34] xorg was moved from f7 to f1 a couple of years ago [09:35] gofio: so ctrl+alt+f1 didn't get you back the graphical ui? === mous is now known as mouses [09:36] akik: I have not left the gui in the first place [09:37] gofio: ok you can exit the terminal with exit command [09:38] akik: if I type "exit" while in fullt screen terminal it just shuts down the machine [09:38] https://gist.github.com/Koopzington/dacef5d2b76890a5d2f6c386e9bf9124 would you say my HDD is dead? [09:39] gofio: yea that's not how it should be working [09:39] akik: don't worry somehow now things are different but next time I'm into full screen terminal will try f1 see what happens [09:39] 'cause i can't boot from it anymore, but i'm still able to mount it from the recovery system my provider offers [09:39] gofio: ctrl+alt+f1 just brings you back to the gui if you are in any of the virtual consoles [09:40] also how high is the chance that the 6.4 years old HDD is actually connected to the server via ATA? [09:40] akik: I'm in a laptop with backlight converter gone so using a second screen and it gets bit crazy sometimes to make it work given it only works while laptop screen is folded down. Long story [09:42] akik: and now for some reason system goes into suspend or hibernation after some minutes of no activity and then get a black screen with the cursor, but when press ctrl+alt+f2 I get into de terminal full screen [09:42] gofio: akik having no Alt+Fx reaction and 'exit' shutting down the system suggests the system could have been at the initialramfs shell, not a login terminal after multi-user.target eas reached [09:43] TJ yeap when I get into terminal full screen I have to log in and pass [09:43] gofio: which release of Ubuntu is it, and which desktop environment (Gnome?) ? [09:43] details are important [09:43] if I hard shut down then will boot ok [09:44] but have to close the laptop's screen quite fast or it will hang, so press power button and close the laptop screen, then will boot normal everything in the second screen [09:44] gofio: OK, so typing 'exit' in that scenario probably means the system was waiting to suspend/hibernate but was inhibited by the TTY login session. I'd guess the desktop environment had/has triggered the suspend/hibernate due to thinking there was no activity [09:45] tj 18.04 bionic [09:45] 11:27 in ubuntu 18.04 [09:45] yes gnome 3 I believe [09:46] gofio: there are some power management options in the GUI to prevent idle timeout actions, such as monitor blanking, suspend, etc. [09:46] tj exactly it all starts with the auto suspend that I have not scheduled or anything but that's how it goes [09:46] Hi all how do i asign user group to have read and write access to my system [09:47] tj exactly like that, it suspends after a little while of no activity (but spotify playing) like 5 or 10 minutes, then comes the headache [09:48] tj first time it suspends comes back quik. It is the definite suspension that power goes off that's trouble [09:49] if I could prevent from going into suspend that would be it, but this wasn't happening while I had the system running with two screens (and another ram and processor) [09:49] so, whatever. Just try to be active every now and then xD [09:51] trying [09:54] gofio: the system doesn't work enough time for you to disable the suspend? [09:56] gofio: https://askubuntu.com/a/1014968 [09:58] akik: when the suspend gets to shutdown power button, which is after let say 15 minutes or so of the previous suspend, then is when disabling that suspend is a problem. That only happens when there's no activity in maybe like half hour [09:59] first of all because in order to do that I have to open the laptop screen, and sometimes (now I suppose because I can't see it) it'd show the login in that screen but I can't see it, so [10:00] this same action of second screen as primary windows can't get to do it, for example [10:01] !chmod | HiDeHo [10:01] HiDeHo: An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions [10:01] It'd would stay as secondary screen, no matter all the process of recovery system has done it in the secondary screen as primary. So one point for linux, windows zero [10:01] gofio: i mean if it's the suspend that is giving you the problem, wouldn't disabling it help? [10:02] akik: sure, but in any case I did not enable it [10:03] gofio: i don't understand. you have a problem with suspend but don't want to disable it? [10:04] Hi again i am now wanting to add some simple options to the right-clcik menu in thunar. they are not showing unless i first open thunar as root [10:04] every time i open thunar without root all the options are blank like they are not saved [10:05] akik: just checked and it's already disabled, as always [10:14] in ubuntu 18.04 gnome3 and while on gui, in the file manager, is there any keyboard shortcut for just delete a file? thanks [10:17] HiDeHo, possibly have had elevated-privileges when you made/changed the files, and your default UID doesn't have access to those configs.. [10:22] hello, how to resove that bootstrap time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yBpyyjfCdj/ [10:22] i'm tired read and try a lot of topics, too much restarts... [10:25] what's the most stable distro... I'm tired to lookup those bugs that appers time at time [10:32] yuradoc: probably an lts, 18.04 [10:34] lts aren't stable for me too [10:34] i'm linux user near 10-12 years [10:34] likewise. Seen utter stability with LTS on supermicro motherboards. [10:35] 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, and 18.04. [10:35] i'm understand console little bit, can write bash scripts... but i'm still noob in linux [10:35] multiple years of uptime (600day+ on xen VM servers) [10:36] servers work for me too. but i prefer RHEL/CenOS [10:36] for that [10:36] no, I mean my workstation. [10:37] great [10:38] but i don't understand why windows more stable. i don't like it. maybe move to macos based [10:39] used supermicro motherboards, used ECC DDR3, cheap and stable as long as your power is. [10:39] the more annoying part is finding inexpensinve boards that take ECC [10:40] biggest stability issue I see is with cheap DRAM and crummy ATX power supply [10:40] yuradoc: what do you mean by not stable [10:40] what issues do you have usually [10:41] i use laptop [10:41] have good performance on the board [10:41] ah, no wonder, I've never had good experiences with linux on laptops. always stupid buggy vendor firmware. [10:42] but it's seemsed to me that it's very slow [10:42] it's boot very slow [10:42] gui isn't very responsible [10:42] boss's recent asus has ubuntu keys in the secure boot; one of those newish ryzens. Lubuntu works nicely on it. [10:43] yuradoc: what's your laptop specs [10:43] also virtualbox makes sometimes (not always!) freezing/bad responce for kde [10:44] i have more than enough memory [10:45] https://www.dell.com/support/home/ua/ru/uabsdt1/product-support/product/inspiron-15r-5521/drivers [10:45] Inspiron 15R 5521 [10:48] it's seemsed to me that ubuntu worked much better at 12-14/x versions [10:48] hey folks [10:49] hey folks [10:49] oops [10:53] hi looking for help or direction to the right forum, I have an external usb HDD which was formatted by mac and is HFS+ Journaled. I mounted it in ubuntu so I oculd write to the read only drive while my mac was down. Now that I am back using my mac it can only mount the drive as read only. The irony. Are there boot flag in the HDD that tell mac to mount as RO any gives? [10:54] wicky: try sudo mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mounted/fs [10:57] wicky: this page suggests mount options to mount r/w https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/342264/hfs-external-drive-aways-mount-read-only [10:58] wicky: no idea how to fix it though [11:00] @akik @EriC^^ thanking you! [11:00] it must write some flag in the file system [11:00] macos diskutil might be of help. it had many options [11:01] yeh been trying to hunt it out [11:01] wicky: np [11:02] mount: /Volumes/WDMyBook: unknown special file or file system. /: [11:04] in ubuntu 18.04 gnome3 and while on gui, in the file manager, is there any keyboard shortcut for just delete a file? thanks [11:04] 2: Apple_HFS WDMyBook 3.0 TB disk3s2 [11:05] gofio: is it shift+delete? [11:05] akik: did not work [11:06] I'm in a spanish keyboard and system but anyways is "mayús+supr", or maybe you mean "retroceso" [11:07] nag, it just took me to the previous folder [11:08] me no habla espanol [11:08] :) [11:09] wicky: try going into the disk utility or drive utility. there should be some kind of "first aid" there === deem_ is now known as deem [11:27] akik: nice try! :) mucho bueno :D [11:28] just kidding with the mucho bueno eh, is not "mucho bueno" but "muy bien" :) [11:29] wow somebody has written a detailed explanation about that hfs+ file system mount in linux [11:30] https://superuser.com/a/1088110 [11:30] sad that wicky left [11:43] Hi guys [11:43] Can anyone help me [11:44] !ask | amitkm9204 [11:44] amitkm9204: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [11:44] what to.do.when the swap memory is not being used while physical memory utilisation is reaching 99% [11:54] akik: nag I'm following this which is what you suggested earlier but not working https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/files-delete.html.en will try later on anyways [11:56] isn't swap for when exceeds the 100%? [12:16] amitkm9204, raise the swappiness value I guess (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F) [12:22] hi there! i've installed amdgpu-pro driver on lenovo e485, now my 3d works but 2D is WAY too slow. could someone help me sorting this out, please? [12:28] Is there a better way to install the newest version of firefox on 16.04? and keep it updated over than using apt? "firefox is already the newest version (45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1)." [12:28] !latest | Dan_au [12:28] Dan_au: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [12:31] !info firefox xenial | Actually, Dan_au, [12:31] Actually, Dan_au,: firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 67.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 48986 kB, installed size 184764 kB [12:31] Not sure where or how you installed firefox, if you have a PPA enabled or compiled your own, but that is what is preventing you from running the latest [12:37]