[00:51] <baron-samedi> Is anyone available for support?
[00:53] <Eickmeyer> !ask | baron-samedi
[00:58] <baron-samedi> How do I disable autojack and let pulseaudio autospawn?. I have "autospawn = yes" in my dotfiles, and start-pulseaudio-x11 enabled in session & startup. Off topic: the IRC ToS isn't reachable.
[01:02] <OvenWerks> if you turn jack off with controls, then pulse is in autospawn as normal.
[01:02] <OvenWerks> The fact that autojacvk is running doesn't mean jack is running
[01:05] <baron-samedi> In controls I have jack session startup unchecked and pressed stop jack, pulse won't autospawn still.
[01:05] <OvenWerks> how do you mean?
[01:06] <OvenWerks> Have you ever installed or run Cadence?
[01:07] <OvenWerks> Pulse should run if jack is started or not in any case, if jack is running pulse will not see any audio devices besides jack
[01:08] <baron-samedi> No I haven't, I just want to forego jack entirely and purely use pulseaudio.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> then "Stop Jack should do that.
[01:10] <baron-samedi> Which I have pressed and disabled session startup. I have never ran jack, this is a fresh install with backports. I've been spawning pulseaudio in manually terminal.
[01:11] <OvenWerks> if you really don't want autojack running in the background in idle, in the settings manager choose: "Session and Startup"->application autostart and uncheck Autojack.
[01:11] <OvenWerks> but if pulse is not running on it's own that is it's own problem
[01:12] <baron-samedi> That's the main problem, I thought the cause was autojack.
[01:12] <OvenWerks> Studio does not change pulseaudio's configuration at all.
[01:13] <baron-samedi> I'm aware and checked /etc/pulse/* and have made my own pulse config's that have worked in other ubuntu flavors. This puzzles me.
[01:14] <OvenWerks> if you run pavucontrol does it show anything?
[01:16] <baron-samedi> Connection to pulseaudio has failed etc.. check default-server or client.conf. Which makes no sense, I can run it manually fine.
[01:16] <OvenWerks> is dbus running?
[01:17] <baron-samedi> yes, htop shows it running
[01:17] <OvenWerks> in general, even if pulse is not running, starting pavucontrol will start pulse.
[01:18] <OvenWerks> (via dbus)
[01:18] <baron-samedi> Yeah, I've had pavucontrol autospawn pulse if needed in arch, it won't on studio.
[01:19] <OvenWerks> when you start pulseaudio manually, does it have any error messages?
[01:19] <OvenWerks> well normally it will in Studio. this is strange
[01:21] <OvenWerks> Is this a straight ubuntustudio install? or another ubuntuflavour with Studio installed on top?
[01:21] <baron-samedi> Would it be faster to paste my log? Using pulseaudio -vvv I see "I: [pulseaudio] main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted"
[01:21] <baron-samedi> straight install
[01:21] <OvenWerks> 19.04?
[01:22] <baron-samedi> 18.04 with backports
[01:22] <OvenWerks> same here.
[01:23] <OvenWerks> I have never had trouble getting pulse going in years. (over 10)
[01:24] <OvenWerks> Which user are you running it as? (normal, install user, root)
[01:25] <OvenWerks> should not be root BTW
[01:25] <baron-samedi> normal, the user created upon install
[01:25] <OvenWerks> that should just work (of course)
[01:26] <baron-samedi> The only oddity for root was to give it a password for tty's
[01:26] <OvenWerks> sudo in a terminal to run something as root
[01:27] <OvenWerks> but neither jack or pulse should be run as root
[01:28] <baron-samedi> yes, i just like having root accessible and i never run jack or pulse as root/sudo
[01:29] <baron-samedi> is the default pulseaudio services in sysctl modified at all?
[01:30] <OvenWerks> no
[01:30] <OvenWerks> Studio uses stock pulseaudio with n0o mods at all.
[01:31] <baron-samedi> alright, i'm stumped then ;) i should paste my config's perhaps
[01:32] <OvenWerks> we have had so many problems solving things after cadence has run, it was decided that pulse should remain stock. autojack, when jack runs, uses pactl to change config on the fly. When jack stops pulse respawns back to normal.
[01:32] <baron-samedi> I'll give it a shot then
[01:33] <OvenWerks> you can try that, but my knowage of pulse config is minimal :)
[01:33] <baron-samedi> Is the backports supposed to auto install cadence? full-upgrade?
[01:34] <OvenWerks> no, we sugest not to use cadence
[01:34] <OvenWerks> cadence would come from kxstudio if you installed that
[01:35] <OvenWerks> the only app we have from kxstudio is Carla which is a plugin wrapper.
[01:35] <baron-samedi> its not installed, i'll run jack and see if thats it
[01:36] <baron-samedi> starting jack starts pulse and stopping it kills pulse with no autospawn (no change)
[01:37] <baron-samedi> the install has lvm-luks if that matters
[01:38] <OvenWerks> I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't think so.
[01:39] <baron-samedi> i'm going to paste my configs on ubuntu paste in one post separated by #'s
[01:39] <OvenWerks> ok
[01:41] <baron-samedi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k7D8z8cG74/
[01:44] <baron-samedi> Thanks for the help and time even if we can't figure it out ;)
[01:45] <OvenWerks> so this is a set of config file you have made then?
[01:45] <OvenWerks> (or modified?)
[01:46] <baron-samedi> yes. daemon.conf client.conf and default.pa, modded defaults using pulse docs
[01:46] <OvenWerks> They are not the saem as mine right from the top.
[01:47] <OvenWerks> Are these in your home directory or /etc/pulse/?
[01:48] <baron-samedi> home dir .config/pulse/*
[01:48] <OvenWerks> so first quick check is to rename .config/pulse to something else and try.
[01:49] <baron-samedi> alright
[01:49] <OvenWerks> (.config/nopulse)
[01:49] <OvenWerks> and see if it at least works with the default
[01:50] <baron-samedi> autospawn now works
[01:50] <baron-samedi> well
[01:51] <OvenWerks> so something in the new config is not playing nice.
[01:52] <baron-samedi> thats great but ubuntu studio is the only flavor not working with config
[01:52] <OvenWerks> ARe you sure your audio device works at 44k1? (some don't)
[01:52] <OvenWerks> ah that would be yes
[01:52] <baron-samedi> yes, generic laptop realtek audio
[01:54] <baron-samedi> i'd like to point out that there's a default jackdbus module for default.pa in the standard ubuntu studio pulse config, should i add it?
[01:55] <OvenWerks> where did you get the pci-0000_00_1b.0?
[01:55] <OvenWerks> there should only be one in /etc/pulse/ so far as I know.
[01:55] <OvenWerks> unless pulse writes it's own file at run time.
[01:56] <baron-samedi> from my old alsa only install in arch
[01:56] <baron-samedi> pulse gave it that card name
[01:56] <OvenWerks> ok.
[01:56] <OvenWerks> and that works with other buntu flavours?
[01:56] <baron-samedi> yes 100%
[01:57] <baron-samedi> but
[01:57] <OvenWerks> I am wondering if the number part is sightly different.
[01:57] <baron-samedi> i've never used jack + pulse with this config.
[01:57] <baron-samedi> so hold on
[01:57] <baron-samedi> let me add that module
[01:58] <OvenWerks> you don't have to have it.
[01:59] <OvenWerks> autojack actually removes it on the fly so it can add jack sink/source on the fly
[02:01] <baron-samedi> then should i mess with my config? i really like the quality/resampling and latency for consuming my media
[02:03] <OvenWerks> To be honest, I don't know enough about pulse to understand what you are trying to do.
[02:04] <OvenWerks> so it is pretty hard to answer that
[02:05] <baron-samedi> okay so this config came from a system with a basic alsa install and pulse setup, 100% no jack. I've removed all jack modules from the defaults and discarded auto hardware detection. Pulse loads/interacts with my soundcard by loading a module with my specific parameters and has never broken till now.
[02:07] <baron-samedi> i know its overwhelming i read pulse docs for nearly a month to grasp a understanding
[02:07] <OvenWerks> That sounds reasonable.
[02:07] <OvenWerks> the error you were getting was at the nice-level = -15
[02:08] <OvenWerks> the default is -11
[02:08] <baron-samedi> nice level isn't realtime, i've changed realtime settings even thought i never used it
[02:09] <OvenWerks> default realtime is = yes.
[02:09] <OvenWerks> you have no
[02:09] <baron-samedi> realtime-scheduling = no
[02:09] <baron-samedi> yeah
[02:10] <OvenWerks> default seems to be yes
[02:10] <OvenWerks> but nice level defaults to -11.
[02:11] <baron-samedi> the problem isn't pulse running, the autospawn feature is what i'm concerned about and can't get to work. i should just make a startup.sh and do it that way
[02:11] <OvenWerks> One of the things to try is just add a ; in front of every line and remove them one at a time
[02:12] <baron-samedi> the default config has no commas
[02:12] <baron-samedi> in etc
[02:12] <baron-samedi> wait
[02:13] <baron-samedi> sorry commenting it out 1 by 1
[02:13] <iommi> help
[02:13] <baron-samedi> load-default-script-file = yes, i assume this read from etc?
[02:14] <baron-samedi> oven i'll take a seat, help this fellow instead
[02:15] <iommi> I install ubuntu studio, but when start a few of seconds and goes to blngthiack screen
[02:16] <iommi> sorry black screen
[02:16] <OvenWerks> iommi: at what point does the screen go black? after login? or before?
[02:16] <iommi> someone knows what to do
[02:16] <iommi> after
[02:17] <iommi> no more than 15 seconds
[02:17] <Eickmeyer> iommi: Are you running in a virtual machine?
[02:17] <iommi> no
[02:17] <Eickmeyer> Okay, it was a hunch. We've had reports of that.
[02:18] <iommi> i installed in my computer
[02:18] <iommi> and what can i do_
[02:18] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm iommi: What version?
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm | iommi: What version?
[02:19] <iommi> i download today
[02:19] <iommi> is the one from the web site
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> iommi: There are two versions downloadable from the website.
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> 18.04 and 19.04
[02:20] <iommi> 19.04
[02:21] <iommi> i was checking on the web site
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> iommi: My family is calling me. I need to refer you to #ubuntu (/join #ubuntu) since the problem you're describing isn't necessarily specific to Ubuntu Studio. You may need to register a nickname first.
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> !register | iommi
[02:21]  * Eickmeyer must leave
[02:51] <baron-samedi> alright, i've found the issue. so the problem is leaving [extra-arguments =] empty causes pulse not to start. simple fix is to comment it out. this oddity affects pulse 11.1 with autospawn and wasn't present on arch; pulse 12.2
[02:51] <baron-samedi> what a pain
[02:52] <OvenWerks> wow, I wonder why Ubuntu's pulse is so far behind.... maybe I don't, Arch tends to update faster than most. We are behind debian for a lot of things.
[02:53] <baron-samedi> also i would suggest anyone with a custom default.pa to re-add the jackdbus module
[02:53] <baron-samedi> yeah what a weird parsing error
[02:53] <baron-samedi> 2017 pulse shows its age ;)
[02:54] <baron-samedi> does 19.04 have a newer pulse?
[02:55] <baron-samedi> yes, 19.04 has 12.2, so it won't have this issue ;)
[02:55] <OvenWerks> 19.04 has 12.2
[02:56] <baron-samedi> maybe add this info to FAQ? for those on 18.04
[02:56] <Eickmeyer> It's far behind because it's synced from Debian.
[02:56] <baron-samedi> yeah
[02:56] <Eickmeyer> 18.04 isn't going to have a newer version unless there's some pressing security issue. Nature of LTS releases.
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> LTS releases are basically "frozen in time".
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> !latest
[02:58] <baron-samedi> unless you add a ppa that nukes your system, i'm glad we got this resolved ;) btw the nice error was referring to the "realtime" nice level which can go to 99
[02:59] <OvenWerks> ok
[02:59] <baron-samedi> well i like lts and ubuntu's adoption among software devs so i moved back here
[03:02] <baron-samedi> is this chat focused on support? is there a general area
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> This is a support-focused chat.
[03:03] <Eickmeyer> There's an #ubuntustudio-offtopic, if you wish to join. Tends to be quiet there, but the chatter does get going at times.
[03:03] <baron-samedi> thanks :D
[04:40] <baron-samedi> how in the world do i turn off pidgin? accidentally clicked on it getting to hex chat and now it haunts my indicator plugin
[04:43] <Eickmeyer> baron-samedi: Right-click on it in the system/indicator area, click close? It's been forever since I've run pidgin.
[04:45] <baron-samedi> well pidgin is closed but it seems to imbued with the indicator regardless if its open or not
[08:44] <HiDeHo> hi all are there any ways to test if the vga plug si working properly.
[08:45] <HiDeHo> on this laptop the screen looks dark. using another one the screen looks normal.
[09:25] <HiDeHo> hi all anyone around atm
[09:26] <HiDeHo> i am wanting to add a menu option in the right-click menu for files and folders to open as root.
[09:26] <HiDeHo> this used to work using gksu thunar %f
[10:00] <HiDeHo> darn
[10:00] <HiDeHo> why doies this not work
[10:00]  * HiDeHo is yelling kicking and screaming 
[14:57] <OvenWerks> umm he left at 3am :P
[20:51] <carbonzero> finally getting around to testing ubuntu studio as a standalone installation. I think I've got to say that I miss using Ubuntu Studio as the primary installation. I remembered some tweaks and put them into use and I'm pretty satisfied.
[20:51] <carbonzero> eric
[20:51] <carbonzero> oops
[20:52] <carbonzero> Eickmeyer, I've got to head over to the qa tracker and log my results.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> carbonzero: Hey! Nice to see you!
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> carbonzero: Don't worry about the qa tracker. We're not in official testing phase yet. :)
[20:52] <carbonzero> Eickmeyer, good to see you, too, brother and friend! how have you been?
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> Doing okay. A little busy at the moment, brb
[20:53] <carbonzero> Eickmeyer, oh. Ok, cool. Gives me time to go get coffee. lol
[22:29] <studio-user488> hi im installing ubuntu studio for now and the installation brought me here
[22:29] <studio-user488> :)
[22:29] <OvenWerks> o/
[22:30] <studio-user488> \o
[22:36] <studio-user488> Does anyone use buntu studio like a guitar processor? Switching effects via midi controller?
[22:36] <studio-user488> ubuntu*
[22:36] <OvenWerks> guitarix can do that
[22:38] <OvenWerks> I think it gets loaded with presets first and then can switch through it at least. As it works with plugins, the plugins may be dirrectly midi controlable also
[22:38] <studio-user488> cool, I have a interface focusrite 2i4 whith midi in & out and a fcb1010 to control this
[22:38] <OvenWerks> Ardour can do this as well but Ardour is a bit heavy for that use
[22:39] <OvenWerks> Also look into Carla which is a plugin rack (and other things)
[22:40] <studio-user488> ok I will search the audour and carla softwares to learn how to configure
[22:41] <studio-user488> Im planing use Reaper too
[22:41] <OvenWerks> I have no personal experience there
[22:41] <studio-user488> now they support linux too
[22:41] <OvenWerks>  but I know of people using reaper
[22:43] <studio-user488> I was running reaper in wine a while
[22:44] <studio-user488> but I dont remember if it was heavy like ardour
[22:45] <OvenWerks> Ardour is not that heavy, but more than needed for a guitar effects pedal
[22:50] <studio-user488> yeah i think so, a full daw just to run some plugins haha
[22:52] <studio-user488> goodbye OvenWerks Instalation has finished, I will play with U.Studio
[22:52] <studio-user488> thanks
[22:52] <OvenWerks> o/