[02:07] <kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 tried crazy idea one. Ubuntu boots fine lubuntu still fails. Swap out fstab on ubuntu for lubuntu and it still boots ubuntu. It took a second to wrap my head around it  but grub is still pointing at the UUID for ubuntu. fstab is just the file system mounting which still mounts even if it is wrong in fstab (my guess is RO but I didn't verify, I was shocked it booted)
[02:11] <wxl[m]> kc2bez: is that defined in /etc/default/grub?
[02:11] <wxl[m]> Actually when it boots can you hold down shift to get to the grub menu?
[02:12] <kc2bez> yeah the grub menu shows up anyway since the install detected another install.
[02:13] <kc2bez> standby I'll get a paste.
[02:13] <wxl[m]> Is the other positionw defined?
[02:13] <wxl[m]> Partition
[02:16] <lubot> <kc2bez> here are the grub screenshots
[02:17] <lubot> <kc2bez> (Photo, 640x480) https://i.imgur.com/mLsctPf.jpg
[02:17] <lubot> <kc2bez> (Photo, 640x480) https://i.imgur.com/8fhSgNh.jpg
[02:17] <lubot> <kc2bez> (Photo, 640x480) https://i.imgur.com/8t3belp.jpg
[02:19] <kc2bez> grub config for ubuntu is done by uuid where lubuntu is /dev/sdx
[02:26] <kc2bez> here is the ubuntu grub.cfg https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SgGbyKV63W/
[02:32] <wxl[m]> f83da636-641a-407c-8b18-39290f780199     is that the UUID for the Lubuntu partition?
[02:32] <kc2bez> yes
[02:34] <wxl[m]> On /dev/sda1?
[02:34] <kc2bez> yes
[02:35] <wxl[m]> Maybe the boot flag is not set?
[02:36] <kc2bez> Gnome disks says bootable
[02:41] <wxl[m]> Harumph
[02:41] <kc2bez> Same
[02:42] <wxl[m]> So if you select Lubuntu from the GRUB menu, kernel panic?
[02:42] <kc2bez> correct
[02:42] <wxl[m]> Sigh
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[04:42] <lubot> <lynorian> kc2bez what kind of partition table is it GPT?
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[08:45] <kc2bez> lynorian: yes, it is a standard GPT 
[10:06] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Mornin y'all :)
[10:07] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Who doesn't love a 5 AM wakeup call to go to a conf?
[10:07] <kc2bez> That does sound good.
[10:07] <lubot> <acheronuk> Urgh!
[10:08] <kc2bez> I've been up since 4:30 though.
[10:09] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Flight out of GRB leaves at 7, which means I need to get there by 6. Usually I have to be to school by 7:30 (be up by 6:30 at the latest) so even with school it's the earliest I've been up in a while :P
[10:09] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I've been up since 4:30 though.], Madman ;)
[10:10] <kc2bez> I am. I do it every workday though.
[10:10] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Oh, well there you go
[10:10] <lubot> <tsimonq2> You're used to it :)
[10:11] <kc2bez> Used to it, yes. Don't always enjoy it however. :)
[10:13] <kc2bez> copious amounts of coffee make it tolerable. XD
[10:27] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Oh that's for sure
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[20:21] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> What's meant by git bisecting?
[20:22] <lynorian> @The_LoudSpeaker it is a process to figure out what change made the bug 
[20:22] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, anyone up for coffee? It's 2 am here.
[20:22] <wxl> binary search as it relates to git commits to try to find at which point things changed to create a problem
[20:23] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @lynorian [<lynorian> @The_LoudSpeaker it is a process to figure out what change made the b …], Guessed that but wanted to be sure.
[20:24] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Hey! wxl: you remember the xscreensaver themes?
[20:24] <wxl> btw meeting in ~30m
[20:24] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker yep
[20:24] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> btw meeting in ~30m], Noice. Can I join?
[20:24] <wxl> anyone can
[20:25] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker yep], I will just boot my pc. Let's have a look at them today. I can't sleep.
[20:25] <wxl> sounds good!
[20:25] <wxl> didn't i include my suggestions?
[20:26] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> anyone can], But I haven't done much.
[20:26] <wxl> doesn't matter. you're always welcome to listen or ask questions or whatever
[20:26] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> didn't i include my suggestions?], Yeah. I remember some of them. Will look at the comments on task now.
[20:50] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, anyone with a manjaro running?
[20:51] <wxl> tsujan XD
[20:51] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Need the contents of /boot/grub/
[20:51] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> If there is a themes folder there, please zip it and send me.
[20:52] <kc2bez> XD wxl
[20:52] <wxl> dude get a vm!
[20:53] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> dude get a vm!], I have one but don't have a manjaro Installed in it right now. Installing will take time plus my laptop won't be able to run two vms at once.
[20:53] <lubot> <lynorian> Raman how much ram do you have?
[20:53] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> 6
[20:54] <lynorian> ok
[20:56] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, anyone tried the grub theme on a legacy system with display smaller than 1280*720? I tried in vm and results are not good looking. Need to know if it's same on a real hardware.
[21:01] <wxl> !standup
[21:01] <ubot93> standup is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @SamuelBanya @kc2bez wxl[m] guiverc it's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Afterwards, in order of announcement, post your items and be sure to mention when you're done.
[21:02] <lubot> <HMollerCl> o/
[21:02] <kc2bez> o/
[21:02] <lynorian> \o
[21:02] <wxl> anyone else?
[21:03] <wxl> k fire away
[21:03] <lubot> <HMollerCl> ok
[21:04] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Find out how to make nm-config editor w/o nm-appelt autostart (so we don'te end up with 2 nm tray icons). I will start tom implement … first step is https://phab.lubuntu.me/D11/new/ but, as apt-ghetto mentioned, need to fix version
[21:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: D11/new/ is an invalid task reference.
[21:04] <lubot> <HMollerCl> c'on lugito
[21:04] <lubot> <HMollerCl> second step is add network-manager-gnome in seed … third step is change in nm-tray the default editor
[21:04] <wxl> it's the /new
[21:05] <lubot> <HMollerCl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D11
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added Hidden=True nm-applet.desktop to autostart so nm.applet doesn't autostart. Change default icon theme from Papirus to ePapirus: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D11
[21:05] <wxl> there ya go!
[21:06] <lubot> <HMollerCl> so, bottom line, found out how to make nm-config editor w/o nm-appelt autostart (so we don'te end up with 2 nm tray icons). But to make it work w/o breaking thinks is better to do it by steps
[21:06] <lubot> <HMollerCl> 1) avoid autostart, 2) add nm-gnome to seed, 3) make nm-connection-editor the default
[21:07] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Im also studying how to merge nm-tray 0.4.2
[21:07] <lubot> <HMollerCl> After that will apply patch for non symbolic icons.
[21:07] <lubot> <HMollerCl> I also found out that UbuConLa will be in Chile this year (22, 23, 24 aug) and I submited a request to speak (don't remember teh technical word) My idea is to talk about lubuntu moving from lxde to lxqt and use old computers to show how good it behaves (atom, celeron duo).
[21:07] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Because of that, I'm looking for artwork for the slides and to make some merchandise (mainly sticker I think). … Waiting for update-notifier autobuild.
[21:07] <wxl> you got everything you need on #3? i remember we made a change on thsi at some point..
[21:08] <lubot> <HMollerCl> sorry, what's that?
[21:08] <wxl> making nm-connection-editor the default
[21:08] <lubot> <HMollerCl> I've done it in my system
[21:08] <wxl> ok cool
[21:09] <lynorian> this seems like it might solve lots of support requests
[21:09] <wxl> when you have managed to figure out merges, it might be good to distill it in some way in our own documentation. the one on the ubuntu wiki seems ridiculously verbose
[21:09] <lubot> <HMollerCl> I also thinks is the best way, although we use a gtk solution
[21:09] <lubot> <HMollerCl> but it will only use gtk during config, not the whole time
[21:10] <lynorian> and how long do you have that config open?
[21:10] <lubot> <HMollerCl> only when you add a new connection/vpn
[21:11] <lubot> <HMollerCl> wxl: it oonly need tyo be modified /usr/share/nm-tray/nm-conf
[21:11] <lubot> <HMollerCl> changed to … connectionsEditor=nm-connection-editor
[21:12] <lubot> <HMollerCl> lynorian, and we will have vpn supportn teh same that ubuntu has
[21:12] <lubot> <HMollerCl> that will be from my side.
[21:12]  * lynorian wonders who is next
[21:13] <wxl> @kc2bez wins that one
[21:13] <kc2bez> \o/
[21:13] <kc2bez> Worked on bug 1829805
[21:13] <kc2bez> It is frustrating to say the least.
[21:13] <kc2bez> I don't think it is GRUB but can't rule it out.
[21:13] <kc2bez> Could be kernel related but again not sure about that. Same kernel is in 19.04 and that doesn't seem to have an issue. kpmcore is the same, cala is the same. 
[21:13] <kc2bez> What changed?
[21:13] <ubot93> Bug 1829805 in linux (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Eoan Daily Image fails to boot after install on KVM" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1829805
[21:13] <kc2bez> Been hanging out in the forum, need to spend some more time over there.
[21:13] <kc2bez> Offering up support in IRC when I can too.
[21:13] <kc2bez> That is all I have for this week.
[21:15] <lynorian> I agree that bug sounds super frustrating
[21:16] <wxl> i hate that bug. it's making me nuts
[21:16] <wxl> we're missing something
[21:16] <kc2bez> same
[21:16] <kc2bez> probably
[21:16] <kc2bez> too close to it perhaps
[21:16] <wxl> yeah
[21:17] <wxl> i still would like to see if we can get grub to boot that partition. i need to try to do some grub hackery
[21:17] <wxl> well, someone does XD
[21:17] <wxl> anyways thanks for your continued efforts
[21:17] <wxl> anything else?
[21:17] <kc2bez> nope, that is it from me
[21:18] <lubot> <HMollerCl> it also happens on virtualbox?
[21:18] <wxl> nexxxxxxxxxxxt
[21:18] <wxl> yes
[21:18] <lynorian> me?
[21:18] <wxl> efi/bios vm/hardware encrypted/unencrypted
[21:18] <wxl> yes @lynorian 
[21:18] <lynorian> have we tried efi /mbr on that bug
[21:19] <lynorian> I mean gpt /mbr
[21:19] <lynorian> oops
[21:19] <wxl> that's an interesting thought
[21:19] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> efi/bios vm/hardware encrypted/unencrypted], was asking because title says kvm
[21:19] <wxl> right
[21:19] <wxl> that bug should probably be triaged more
[21:19] <lynorian> I got it with gpt  unencrypted
[21:20] <lynorian> my manual stuff 
[21:20] <lynorian> Update more quassel settings and screenshots
[21:20] <lynorian> Escape key to close panel dialogs 
[21:20] <lynorian>  howto change month on claendar
[21:20] <lynorian>  
[21:20] <lynorian>  lock/unlock panel
[21:21] <lynorian> added show desktop to panel
[21:21] <lynorian> screenshots for kcalc fonts and ark general prefrences
[21:21] <lynorian> screenshots searching for files in pcmanfm-qt
[21:22] <lynorian> add changing login shell and user home directory
[21:23] <lynorian> started custom action section in pcmanfm-qt
[21:23] <wxl> ^^^ SO COOL even upstream doesn't have it documented
[21:23] <lynorian> not sure I have that quite right yet but that might be a reason it is not documented is not the easiest documentation to write
[21:24] <lynorian> and starting creating own desktop files
[21:24] <wxl> wow that's great
[21:25] <lynorian> qpdfview print and properties dock screenshot
[21:25] <lubot> <HMollerCl> creating own .desktop files?
[21:25] <lynorian> yes
[21:25] <lynorian> and then thanks wxl for the discourse post 
[21:25] <lubot> <HMollerCl> maybe is better to link to someone that already has that documented, I mean, lubuntu doesn't has something special about it.
[21:26] <lubot> <HMollerCl> .desktop ^
[21:26] <lynorian> that I then copypasted into appendix B
[21:26] <wxl> i don't think it's a bad idea to cover it briefly but then link to the freedesktop spec
[21:26] <kc2bez> +1 on wxl 's post
[21:26] <lynorian> also how to do custom folder icons for pcmanfm-qt
[21:27] <lubot> <HMollerCl> wow, I didn't knew that^
[21:27] <lubot> <HMollerCl> also agree with wxl
[21:28] <lynorian> I also did several minor typos and rewords this week
[21:28] <lynorian> I am starting the modifiers tab in prefrences ofqpdfivew
[21:32] <wxl> you don't lynorian ?
[21:32] <wxl> done?
[21:33] <lynorian> I am sorry
[21:33] <lynorian> I clicked a link in offtopic and got distracted
[21:33] <wxl> my bad :)
[21:35] <wxl> ok so you are done right? XD
[21:35] <lynorian> yes
[21:36] <wxl> ok i just have two things
[21:36] <wxl>    * Made a post to encourage contributions and tooted it https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/102254931531888484
[21:36] <wxl>    * Tooted about a set of custom emoji that includes Lubuntu; encouraged an update to the LXQt version, mastodon.technology to add, and maybe some Lenny? https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/102255260354910624
[21:37] <wxl> the custom emoji is cool. we should fork the ubuntu font and add lubuntu in the PUA :)
[21:38] <wxl> that's it
[21:38] <wxl> anyone else?
[21:39]  * guiverc here, but nothing to say as usual.
[21:40] <kc2bez> Thanks for being here guiverc
[21:40] <wxl> good to see you guiverc :)
[21:41] <wxl> ok i guess we'll wrap it up
[21:41] <wxl> thanks everyone
[21:41] <wxl> you're all awesome
[21:41] <kc2bez> Thanks to you too wxl you are awesome too.
[21:41]  * wxl blushes
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[21:44] <guiverc> question:  is there any easy way to see what lubuntu packages have been changed, ie. where to direct testing efforts?
[21:45] <wxl> oh that's a good question hmmmm
[21:45] <lubot> <lynorian> chris  well muon has history of package upgrades in a gui on an install
[21:45] <lubot> <lynorian> assuming you have had an install for a while
[21:45] <wxl> i think what he's thinking of more is a history of the uploads to the repos
[21:45] <lubot> <lynorian> yeah
[21:46] <lynorian> I don't know of that
[21:47] <wxl> i put my feelers out on that one
[21:47] <guiverc> thanks lynorian re: muon, re: packages updated, didn't know that.  thanks wxl
[21:48] <wxl> not to mention /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:49] <guiverc> thanks wxl
[21:50] <wxl> np
[23:13] <lubot> <teward001> sorry i'm never here for standups they're right during my commute :P
[23:19] <teward> wxl: @tsimonq2: FYI I haven't done much on the infra, but need to talk to IS to see if there's a way to get it so we can push specific records to DNS for automatic wildcard cert stuffs
[23:19] <teward> probably can't be done
[23:19] <teward> but meh
[23:19] <teward> UNRELATED Ubuntu Studio's partly coopted me for a short while to help them with a website issue
[23:19] <teward> you can thank Eickmeyer for that one
[23:19] <teward> (it's mostly IS coord)
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> Can confirm.
[23:22] <teward> if it can't be done I'll ahve to figure out the internal crap to make things "just work" for internal certs without having to clone the LE certs everywhere
[23:22] <teward> easier to copy a wildcard than reissue every time we need a new subdomain
[23:22] <teward> oh COOL there is a certbot DNS plugin
[23:22] <teward> i'll have to talk to IS
[23:24] <lubot> <teward001> and i think i have an idea of what to do for the mail stuffs, but Phab mail is priority to Discourse currently
[23:24] <lubot> <teward001> sorry i'm so damn slow work has been evil too
[23:24] <kc2bez> The certbot DNS thingy is newish. 
[23:25] <lubot> <teward001> yes it is
[23:25] <lubot> <teward001> got it working for me for my Cloudflare DNS for a wildcard for my domain.
[23:25] <lubot> <teward001> and there's a DNS plugin
[23:25] <lubot> <teward001> but i need info from IS to determine things
[23:26] <kc2bez> Yeah, understood. It seems pretty slick if it works out. 
[23:32] <teward> yeah well I need info from IS
[23:32] <teward> if it's a BIND9 instance, if it's some other cloud infra, etc.
[23:32] <teward> BUT i have 90d to get an ACTUAL wildcard cert for my domain now so :p