OvenWerks | systemd, wayland... lets make things more secure :P | 00:11 |
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Eickmeyer | Hehehe | 00:29 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Have you ever run into the problem he's describing? | 00:53 |
OvenWerks | I haven't run 19.04 enough to find it maybe? I did tgry jack I think... | 00:54 |
OvenWerks | I did actually install and run 19.04... but not sure if I only did Studio on top on plasma or studio ISO too | 00:55 |
Eickmeyer | Well, I've been running 19.04 for a while now, no issues here. | 00:58 |
Eickmeyer | In fact, I just upgraded to Eoan, which isn't too far removed, and still no issues. | 00:59 |
OvenWerks | I did load eoan (studio ISO) and had no problems there | 00:59 |
Eickmeyer | I have the feeling this guy had an installation error or carried-over a configuration from somewhere he's not talking about. | 01:02 |
OvenWerks | That was my first thought as well | 01:03 |
OvenWerks | It is hard enough helping someone while looking at their computer... IRC always makes me feel I am missing something. | 01:04 |
Eickmeyer | Yeah. He's asking for a workaround, and I'm like, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 01:04 |
OvenWerks | There are a number of ways to load an ISO to thumb drive, I know in the past some of them haven't worked. I also know that rebooting too soon after loading the iso to the USB drive can result in bad things too. | 01:06 |
Eickmeyer | There's a number of things that could be wrong here. | 01:06 |
Eickmeyer | But a bug report is no place for tech support. | 01:06 |
Eickmeyer | Especially if it's valid, which this one is. | 01:06 |
OvenWerks | dd seems to be the safest I have found so far... well safest for a correct usb install... not safest from the hey if you dd to your HD it is finished POV :) | 01:07 |
Eickmeyer | There's a couple of GUI USB creators that work pretty well. On Windows: Rufus. Ubuntu (proper) installs one by default. | 01:08 |
Eickmeyer | As does Kubuntu. | 01:09 |
OvenWerks | we used to as well... then it stopped working | 01:09 |
OvenWerks | or rather it works for the cycle but not for an iso in the next cycle (back when it was dropped) | 01:10 |
Eickmeyer | That may still be the case, but I don't know. Haven't done it enough. I have a hard drive enclosure that emulates a CD drive using .iso files. | 01:12 |
OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: we should maybe blacklist timidity (if it isn't already) | 15:42 |
OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: also add to the trouble shooting guide to check if ps x |timidity shows timidity is running | 15:43 |
OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: also timidity should be listed as a known problem | 15:44 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: ack | 15:46 |
OvenWerks | timidity should probably not be a depend in anything :) | 15:47 |
Eickmeyer | I'll investigate. | 15:48 |
OvenWerks | if you show reverse depends in synaptic, the list is long. | 15:50 |
Eickmeyer | Yikes. | 15:51 |
OvenWerks | it even shows the two fluidsynth-sound fonts | 15:52 |
OvenWerks | (so not all the depnds are hard, they may be recomends) | 15:52 |
OvenWerks | I think they should be downgraded to suggests as many sw loaders auto load recomends | 15:53 |
OvenWerks | I remember having this problem... years ago. | 15:55 |
Eickmeyer | I'm trying to figure out where tidmidity got installed from anyways. I don't have it installed, which means it's not pulled-in with disco or eoan. | 15:55 |
OvenWerks | No, it must be something he installed. A game or something like that | 15:56 |
OvenWerks | or it could be an artifact of the upgrade process. | 15:56 |
Eickmeyer | Ok, I'll just add it to the release notes. | 15:57 |
Eickmeyer | All of this could've been figured out prior to release if people would just help with testing. >:( | 15:57 |
OvenWerks | installing random sw is generally not covered in iso testing | 15:58 |
Eickmeyer | True. | 15:58 |
OvenWerks | timidity should have a dbus release this device built in (as pulse does). other wise it is bad (buggy?) sw | 15:59 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Stinkin' old project, still actively developed: https://sourceforge.net/p/timidity/git/ci/master/tree/ | 16:08 |
OvenWerks | timidity should be redesigned as a pulse module. | 16:08 |
OvenWerks | yes very old | 16:09 |
OvenWerks | from soundblaster days | 16:09 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: for the release notes: "Timidity has been known to cause problems with audio configurations on Ubuntu and will lock-up ALSA." | 16:12 |
Eickmeyer | That's all I can think to put. We can't stop people from installing it, but we can warn them. | 16:13 |
OvenWerks | ya | 16:13 |
Eickmeyer | Done, and retroactively added to the release notes for Bionic and Cosmic. | 16:21 |
OvenWerks | perhaps add a feature request to -controls to detect timidity or other process that has devices locked. | 16:26 |
Eickmeyer | -controls got stuck in proposed. *sigh* | 18:03 |
Eickmeyer | Fixed the version number, uploaded it, hopefully that will fix it. | 18:03 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: I just figured it out. The version number won't fix it. It depends on Carla. Will have to move that to recommends since Carla won't build on ppc, arm, or s390x. | 18:05 |
Eickmeyer | Or, something. | 18:05 |
OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: so should the Carla button detect if Carla is installed? | 18:36 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That would be preferable. | 18:37 |
OvenWerks | Should pressing the button pop up a diolog "* not installed, Install now?" ;) | 18:38 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: It's like you read my mind while I was using the washroom. | 18:38 |
OvenWerks | so we should look for both /usr/bin/carla and /usr/local/bin | 18:40 |
OvenWerks | That way someone who prefered to roll their own would not get left out. | 18:40 |
Eickmeyer | Good call. Will also work for fedora/arch/opensuse too (though, the only other build I know of is for arch). | 18:42 |
Eickmeyer | Could also just search $PATH | 18:42 |
OvenWerks | I would think there should already be a python call that does that | 18:43 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: I'm probably going to have to demote it to suggests. It's still shwing skipped. | 18:58 |
OvenWerks | re timidity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity/+bug/1793640 | 19:27 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1793640 in timidity (Ubuntu) "Pulseaudio fails to detect sound card, while timidity is installed" [High,Triaged] | 19:27 |
OvenWerks | there is a debian fix, but it has not made it to ubuntu | 19:27 |
OvenWerks | This has been a bug since at least 2008 that has come and gone and come again. | 19:28 |
OvenWerks | In my opinion, the design of timidity is fundamentally flawed. It should in daemon mode, add a pseudo device that looks like hardware and responds like hardware and mixes application audio with it's own. Or if Pulse or jack are present it should become a client/module for which ever one holds the device. | 19:31 |
OvenWerks | The world has turned a few times since 1985. | 19:32 |
OvenWerks | actually probably some time in the 90s using OSS | 19:32 |
Eickmeyer | Yikes. Ancient stuff. | 19:57 |
OvenWerks | Last updates I can find are 2004 for timidity++ | 23:14 |
OvenWerks | oops nope I found 2009 | 23:15 |
OvenWerks | Oh, but the ubuntu package is 2004 | 23:20 |
Eickmeyer | The ubuntu package is more recent than that. | 23:33 |
Eickmeyer | The debian package was updated only last year, and it's a direct sync from that. | 23:33 |
OvenWerks | Maybe the home page this page points to is wrong then: https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/timidity | 23:34 |
Eickmeyer | Yes, it is. | 23:34 |
Eickmeyer | I researched it this morning. | 23:34 |
studiobot | <teward001> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity is where you want to poke though to see when the last package revision was | 23:35 |
OvenWerks | where is the right page then? | 23:35 |
studiobot | <teward001> and then look at the specific changelogs ;) | 23:35 |
studiobot | <teward001> just an YFI :) | 23:35 |
studiobot | <teward001> FYI* | 23:35 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: The Deiban Salsa repo is https://salsa.debian.org/debian/timidity | 23:35 |
Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Sourceforge https://sourceforge.net/projects/timidity/ | 23:37 |
* Eickmeyer can't believe they still use sourceforge | 23:37 | |
Eickmeyer | Last commit was October. | 23:38 |
OvenWerks | that is wierd, timidity.sourceforge.net is outdated I guess. | 23:40 |
Eickmeyer | Not too weird. I suspect the project is dying. | 23:43 |
teward | dead and dying project is dead and dying? | 23:57 |
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