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OvenWerkssystemd, wayland... lets make things more secure :P00:11
EickmeyerHehehe00:29
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Have you ever run into the problem he's describing?00:53
OvenWerksI haven't run 19.04 enough to find it maybe? I did tgry jack I think...00:54
OvenWerksI did actually install and run 19.04... but not sure if I only did Studio on top on plasma or studio ISO too00:55
EickmeyerWell, I've been running 19.04 for a while now, no issues here.00:58
EickmeyerIn fact, I just upgraded to Eoan, which isn't too far removed, and still no issues.00:59
OvenWerksI did load eoan (studio ISO) and had no problems there00:59
EickmeyerI have the feeling this guy had an installation error or carried-over a configuration from somewhere he's not talking about.01:02
OvenWerksThat was my first thought as well01:03
OvenWerksIt is hard enough helping someone while looking at their computer... IRC always makes me feel I am missing something.01:04
EickmeyerYeah. He's asking for a workaround, and I'm like,  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯01:04
OvenWerksThere are a number of ways to load an ISO to thumb drive, I know in the past some of them haven't worked. I also know that rebooting too soon after loading the iso to the USB drive can result in bad things too.01:06
EickmeyerThere's a number of things that could be wrong here.01:06
EickmeyerBut a bug report is no place for tech support.01:06
EickmeyerEspecially if it's valid, which this one is.01:06
OvenWerksdd seems to be the safest I have found so far... well safest for a correct usb install... not safest from the hey if you dd to your HD it is finished POV :)01:07
EickmeyerThere's a couple of GUI USB creators that work pretty well. On Windows: Rufus. Ubuntu (proper) installs one by default.01:08
EickmeyerAs does Kubuntu.01:09
OvenWerkswe used to as well... then it stopped working01:09
OvenWerksor rather it works for the cycle but not for an iso in the next cycle (back when it was dropped)01:10
EickmeyerThat may still be the case, but I don't know. Haven't done it enough. I have a hard drive enclosure that emulates a CD drive using .iso files.01:12
OvenWerksEickmeyer: we should maybe blacklist timidity (if it isn't already)15:42
OvenWerksEickmeyer: also add to the trouble shooting guide to check if ps x |timidity shows timidity is running15:43
OvenWerksEickmeyer: also timidity should be listed as a known problem15:44
EickmeyerOvenWerks: ack15:46
OvenWerkstimidity should probably not be a depend in anything :)15:47
EickmeyerI'll investigate.15:48
OvenWerksif you show reverse depends in synaptic, the list is long.15:50
EickmeyerYikes.15:51
OvenWerksit even shows the two fluidsynth-sound fonts15:52
OvenWerks(so not all the depnds are hard, they may be recomends)15:52
OvenWerksI think they should be downgraded to suggests as many sw loaders auto load recomends15:53
OvenWerksI remember having this problem... years ago.15:55
EickmeyerI'm trying to figure out where tidmidity got installed from anyways. I don't have it installed, which means it's not pulled-in with disco or eoan.15:55
OvenWerksNo, it must be something he installed. A game or something like that15:56
OvenWerksor it could be an artifact of the upgrade process.15:56
EickmeyerOk, I'll just add it to the release notes.15:57
EickmeyerAll of this could've been figured out prior to release if people would just help with testing. >:(15:57
OvenWerksinstalling random sw is generally not covered in iso testing15:58
EickmeyerTrue.15:58
OvenWerkstimidity should have a dbus release this device built in (as pulse does). other wise it is bad (buggy?) sw15:59
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Stinkin' old project, still actively developed: https://sourceforge.net/p/timidity/git/ci/master/tree/16:08
OvenWerkstimidity should be redesigned as a pulse module.16:08
OvenWerksyes very old16:09
OvenWerksfrom soundblaster days16:09
EickmeyerOvenWerks: for the release notes: "Timidity has been known to cause problems with audio configurations on Ubuntu and will lock-up ALSA."16:12
EickmeyerThat's all I can think to put. We can't stop people from installing it, but we can warn them.16:13
OvenWerksya16:13
EickmeyerDone, and retroactively added to the release notes for Bionic and Cosmic.16:21
OvenWerksperhaps add a feature request to -controls to detect timidity or other process that has devices locked.16:26
Eickmeyer-controls got stuck in proposed. *sigh*18:03
EickmeyerFixed the version number, uploaded it, hopefully that will fix it.18:03
EickmeyerOvenWerks: I just figured it out. The version number won't fix it. It depends on Carla. Will have to move that to recommends since Carla won't build on ppc, arm, or s390x.18:05
EickmeyerOr, something.18:05
OvenWerksEickmeyer: so should the Carla button detect if Carla is installed?18:36
EickmeyerOvenWerks: That would be preferable.18:37
OvenWerksShould pressing the button pop up a diolog "* not installed, Install now?"  ;)18:38
EickmeyerOvenWerks: It's like you read my mind while I was using the washroom.18:38
OvenWerksso we should look for both /usr/bin/carla and /usr/local/bin18:40
OvenWerksThat way someone who prefered to roll their own would not get left out.18:40
EickmeyerGood call. Will also work for fedora/arch/opensuse too (though, the only other build I know of is for arch).18:42
EickmeyerCould also just search $PATH18:42
OvenWerksI would think there should already be a python call that does that18:43
EickmeyerOvenWerks: I'm probably going to have to demote it to suggests. It's still shwing skipped.18:58
OvenWerksre timidity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity/+bug/179364019:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1793640 in timidity (Ubuntu) "Pulseaudio fails to detect sound card, while timidity is installed" [High,Triaged]19:27
OvenWerksthere is a debian fix, but it has not made it to ubuntu19:27
OvenWerksThis has been a bug since at least 2008 that has come and gone and come again.19:28
OvenWerksIn my opinion, the design of timidity is fundamentally flawed. It should in daemon mode, add a pseudo device that looks like hardware and responds like hardware and mixes application audio with it's own. Or if Pulse or jack are present it should become a client/module for which ever one holds the device.19:31
OvenWerksThe world has turned a few times since 1985.19:32
OvenWerksactually probably some time in the 90s using OSS19:32
EickmeyerYikes. Ancient stuff.19:57
OvenWerksLast updates I can find are 2004 for timidity++23:14
OvenWerksoops nope I found 200923:15
OvenWerksOh, but the ubuntu package is 200423:20
EickmeyerThe ubuntu package is more recent than that. 23:33
EickmeyerThe debian package was updated only last year, and it's a direct sync from that.23:33
OvenWerksMaybe the home page this page points to is wrong then: https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/timidity23:34
EickmeyerYes, it is.23:34
EickmeyerI researched it this morning.23:34
studiobot<teward001> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity is where you want to poke though to see when the last package revision was23:35
OvenWerkswhere is the right page then?23:35
studiobot<teward001> and then look at the specific changelogs ;)23:35
studiobot<teward001> just an YFI :)23:35
studiobot<teward001> FYI*23:35
EickmeyerOvenWerks: The Deiban Salsa repo is https://salsa.debian.org/debian/timidity23:35
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Sourceforge https://sourceforge.net/projects/timidity/23:37
* Eickmeyer can't believe they still use sourceforge23:37
EickmeyerLast commit was October.23:38
OvenWerksthat is wierd, timidity.sourceforge.net is outdated I guess.23:40
EickmeyerNot too weird. I suspect the project is dying.23:43
tewarddead and dying project is dead and dying?23:57

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