[00:26] So, new installation on a kind of old machine with an AGP dual monitor graphics card [00:27] The primary display is working fine, and the native resolution and frequency was detected right [00:28] but the second display isn't working at all [00:30] xubuntu 18.04 lts, I did install restricted extras, minus ms fonts, already [00:37] hi, does someone know how I can encrypt a usb stick compatible with windows? I thought I just use LUKS+EXT4 but I realised that windows can't do that. what encrypted file system can I use for Windows? [00:37] Graphics card is a Matrox millenium G550 [00:38] Kali_Yuga: NTFS and FAT32 are the FSs windows likes [00:40] StupidLikeAFox: which *buntu version are you using? What does "xrandr -q" report ? [00:41] Kali_Yuga: you'd need to use Vera(True)crypt + NTFS or {ex,}FAT [00:44] xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default [00:44] Screen 0: minimum 1280 x 1024, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024 [00:44] default connected 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm [00:44] 1280x1024 77.00* [00:44] but how do I encrypt an NTFS or FAT32 usb stick? I can use disks but It only gives me the option to encrypt via LUKS+EXT4... TJ: thx I will look into that, I thougt I would have to download a seperate program for that :/ [00:45] StupidLikeAFox: that hints that the system is (trying ot) use Wayland compositor, not Xorg server [00:45] That resolution is correct, but it really should be 76Hz instead [00:46] Kali_Yuga: the Linux 'cryptsetup' program, that creates/opens LUKS, can also do Veracrypt, so you could use that (from the command-line) to create the encrypted container, open that, THEN format it with which file-system you prefer. See "man cryptsetup" for more info [00:46] TJ-: The second monitor isn't working period. And I am on xubuntu 18.04.2lts, fresh install and up to date as far as I know [00:46] StupidLikeAFox: what does "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" report? [00:46] "x11" [00:47] StupidLikeAFox: the "default" connected looks wrong, you should see actual output name, e.g. "eDP-1 connected primary 2560x1440+0+0" [00:47] StupidLikeAFox: things like "VGA-1" and so on [00:47] StupidLikeAFox: I can only think that Xorg is using the generic VESA driver, not the Matrox specific driver [00:48] StupidLikeAFox: check the Xorg log; which should be /car/log/Xorg.0.log [00:48] StupidLikeAFox: typo, should be /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:56] TJ-: https://pastebin.com/3cdaFjWd [00:57] TJ-: Thanks, I will look into it. [01:00] StupidLikeAFox: right, its fallen bac to the worst possible driver, the framebuffer driver [01:00] >_< [01:00] StupidLikeAFox: notice before the FBDEV grabs the GPU there's "(EE) Failed to load module "mga" (module does not exist, 0)" EE means error, WW means warning [01:02] StupidLikeAFox: from what I can see, 18.04 no longer has Matrox drivers [01:03] Wonder if my card is too old/weird- this machine is a dual boot with an old windows version, and at least there the nitty-gritty config happened in the matrox program instead of directly in windows [01:03] StupidLikeAFox: I'm not sure why, but it was in 16.04 and it is in 19.04 and 19.10; looks like maybe there was something wrong with it and it got dropped. https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xserver-xorg-video-mga [01:04] or it should be dual boot, but in an urelated issue grub isn't offering windows as an option [01:05] Huh, that is a touch strange [01:07] StupidLikeAFox: Looking at the publishing history it seems like some Dev thought this and others were obsolete due to other packages. bug #1661409 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-mga/+publishinghistory [01:07] bug 1661409 in xserver-xorg-video-mga-hwe-16.04 (Ubuntu) "Remove obsolete X drivers from the archive" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661409 [01:08] I mean, this thing is a penioum 4 and the driver diskette with the card supports win 98 to xp, so it is kind of obsolete [01:08] Your issue is reported in Bug #1778062 [01:08] bug 1778062 in xserver-xorg-video-mga (Ubuntu) "xserver-xorg-video-mga package is missing in Bionic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778062 [01:09] StupidLikeAFox: that "obsolete" refers to the driver not being needed; which has proved wrong, which is why it got re-added to the archive for 19.04 [01:10] yeah, tried to make a bad joke :s [01:11] * TJ- has fond memories of multihead Matrox going back to the 1990s :) [01:14] Hi, guys! I am having a lot of problems with Ubuntu 18.04. I am talking about not running amule, makehuman, Libreoffice and continous warnings system problems which I have aleady reported. Does anyone have the same problems? [01:14] tried to add the xenial universe repo, think I typo'd something [01:19] Thanks. Good nigth for everybody === BrianG61UK_ is now known as BrianG61UK [01:23] xserver-xorg-video-mga: [01:23] Depends: xorg-video-abi-20 [01:23] Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.17.99.902) [01:23] Oh bother [01:24] "unresolvable dependancies" after adding deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial main universe to sources [01:28] StupidLikeAFox: I've uploaded it into my PPA as an 18.04 package; lets see if it'll build [01:29] StupidLikeAFox: might take a little while but watch results at https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages [01:29] The former package not showing up seems to be the issue [01:30] I doubt the 16.04 package will work because the Xserver internal Application Binary Interface (ABI) has changed since [01:30] I have 2:1.20.1-3 [01:30] ahh [01:32] StupidLikeAFox: looks like the build succeeded :) [01:32] Hello [01:32] StupidLikeAFox: so if you add my PPA, once the packages get moved to the archive, you'll be able to install it [01:35] xserver-xorg-video-mga_2.0.0-1ubuntu0~1804tj_i386.deb [01:36] StupidLikeAFox: oh, you're fetching it manually then? [01:40] https://pp.userapi.com/c854524/v854524844/6b659/a6bs8CnX2gg.jpg [01:42] The other *LikeAFox is my laptop that's not having any issues atm [01:44] >using two irc clients and bouncing stuff off a server to share lines of text back and forth [01:46] trying to just install the .deb directly had no effect [01:53] StupidLikeAFox: you restarted the display manager ? === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:58] TJ-: I just did a full reboot and wanted to check something else [01:58] No changes I can see [01:58] StupidLikeAFox: can you paste the new xorg log? [02:02] TJ-: https://pastebin.com/4HjyTVAW [02:04] StupidLikeAFox: I don't think that is the current log, going by its timestamp "Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Jun 15 21:40:06 2019" [02:06] 21:40 is about when I booted- US EST [02:07] StupidLikeAFox: you said you just did a full reboot' the log is 18 minutes before that [02:10] er, lemme try that again then [02:16] it gives me the same file.. [02:17] StupidLikeAFox: hmmm, not sure what is going on then. Have you verified the driver is installed? [02:18] StupidLikeAFox: what does "file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/mga_drv.so" report? [02:19] No such file, so yeah, didn't work [02:19] StupidLikeAFox: how did you install it!? === [b0b] is now known as b0b === root____ is now known as president12 [04:10] is it normal to have a jumpy mouse pointer while using the touchpad :( ? mine is synaptics [04:10] This did not happen during the post-installation, however, it's been like this lately [04:10] thank you for further support [06:56] I'm in trouble with last reboot... can someone help me please? [06:56] !details | devIT [06:56] devIT: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel. [06:57] To be precise, I've rebooted i) after 174 days uptime, and ii) after Ruby installation. The OS is Ubuntu Server 18. The reboot ends in "emergency mode" [06:59] devIT: come join in #ubuntu-server please [06:59] Ok [07:47] I have the following in 2 files: https://pastebin.com/xYfFrSjD My variables aren't expanding and I don't know why I never realy tried something like this and I probably got ti worng. Can anyone assist? [07:51] plongshot, i3 isn't the ubuntu window manager, I suggest you find the i3 IRC channel, which apparently they make hard to find. [07:53] @plongshot: I can't see why i3 should read the bash variables? According to i3vm.org/docs you have to set variables in i3 with the command set. [07:58] ok [07:59] thx [09:28] what does --start --log-target=syslog mean? that it's taken 17% of cpu. Thanks === qwebirc56060 is now known as Puneet === Puneet is now known as Puneet07 [09:33] Hey, anyone here? [09:34] Guys, I'm having a problem with my brightness, (ubuntu 18.04 LTS) [09:38] Brightness control buttons does not work so I tried another way to control the brightness by installing "brightness controller" and I saw that my secondary birghtness is disabled [09:50] !ping [09:50] pong! [09:57] breezy badger [09:59] I am trying to install the latest version of ubuntu 19.04 and I am getting a installation crash with the message [09:59] rub-efi-amd64-signed failed installation /target/ [09:59] I've googled all around and I still am not able to fix the problem [09:59] tried boot repair, made sure I have an EFI partition etc [09:59] what could be the cause of this issue? [10:01] <_KaszpiR_> need more detailed error log [10:01] _KaszpiR_: how can I provide it [10:01] the whole thing crashed [10:01] <_KaszpiR_> set up rsyslog server to get logs [10:01] <_KaszpiR_> start intallation with sending logs to rsyslog server [10:02] <_KaszpiR_> or more easy setup - enable ssh server on installed system, and ssh to it and fetch logs [10:04] <_KaszpiR_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole [10:06] hmm [10:06] <_KaszpiR_> also ensure you have seleted option to download updates from internet during install [10:07] _KaszpiR_: yes that is enabled [10:08] _KaszpiR_: I suspect its an issue with UEFI [10:08] but I don't know how to handle it [10:08] <_KaszpiR_> maybe tyr disabling secureboot [10:09] so that's a thing in my bios? [10:09] <_KaszpiR_> yea [10:10] <_KaszpiR_> (well its uefi no) [10:10] <_KaszpiR_> *now [10:11] so I should disable UEFI as well as secure boot [10:11] whichever is enabled? [10:11] also, the installer just hanged on me, which process am I supposed to kill to stop it? [10:11] azi`: ubiquity is the installer [10:13] ok thank jeremy31 and _KaszpiR_ [10:13] i'll reboot and try again [10:13] azi`: no you shoul dnot disable uefi (unless as a last option) [10:13] <_KaszpiR_> just try to disable secure boot [10:13] <_KaszpiR_> keep uefi if possible [10:16] (more technically correct, you can't disable uefi but you could (possibly, depends on firmware) enable CSM / legacy BIOS support - but that's not something you should do now) [10:20] azi`: If it failed at grub install, you can try https://maunium.net/blog/linux-grub-fix/ [10:20] jeremy31: ok let me try [10:22] hi [10:22] how to see hidden files? [10:22] qwebirc34077: ctrl + h [10:22] ls -a [10:28] found what you need qwebirc34077 ? [10:28] yes have more questions, will ask soon [10:28] how to show screenshots etc for better support here? [10:29] qwebirc34077: imgur.com for example [10:29] lotuspsychje: depends on what they are running, KDE uses ALT+. ;) [10:29] M_aD: good point, i was assuming :p [10:29] :) [10:30] how does imgur work? i need to register and copy screenshot and put link here? [10:31] i need to connect usb device and be detected in VM [10:31] qwebirc34077: no, it doesnt need a register, just upload your picture and share the made link here [10:31] "I'm not sure what you mean by activate. You just need to enable USB pass through" [10:31] how to do this?^^ [10:32] qwebirc34077: start from the beginning please, what are you doing with what tool, on wich ubuntu version? [10:33] latest ubuntu, Im connecting a usb signing device to main laptop and i need to enable USB pass thorugh so that I can see it in the VM [10:35] qwebirc34077: latest, as in ubuntu 19.04? vmware? virtualbox? gnome boxes? [10:36] VM virtual box [10:36] qwebirc34077: with xubuntu once the screenshot is taken from the system tools it gives a direct link to imgur with the screenshot loaded [10:36] ubuntu 18.04.2 [10:37] qwebirc34077: virtualbox questions you could ask in #vbox if you like [10:37] what does --start --log-target=syslog mean? that it's taken 17% of cpu. Thanks [10:41] I joined vbox no one replies yet, maybe here can help? it's ubuntu in VM to detect UBS device connected in main laptop [10:54] _KaszpiR_: ok so I've now disabled everything related to "secure" in the bios [10:54] and i get the same error [10:55] ping! [10:55] !ping [10:55] pong [10:55] https://imgur.com/a/ZKNFUD9 [10:55] lotuspsychje, irc is freaking out today. [10:55] is there a way to extract the log files and figure out what is going on? [10:56] cfhowlett: noticed netsplits yesterday [10:56] I got hit with BANNED - your host has abused VPN ... [10:56] hmm [10:57] I have no host nor VPN so ... mystifying [10:57] all good now though [10:57] cfhowlett: maybe with the split, services are flipping, banning other ip's [10:59] it's sun day [11:19] https://imgur.com/7DAJMg6 [11:19] can anyone help? libusb ubuntu issue [11:19] if a driver is changed in a kernel upgrade, is it possible to go back to the older kernel and get the same driver was later on changed? or is that gone? thanks [11:20] > root@storagetests:/home/hans# uname -a [11:20] Linux storagetests 4.15.0-51-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 15 14:27:21 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [11:20] qwebirc34077: I've also a usb issue, but it's not just ubuntu, it's the manufacturer. In my case [11:20] why does it repeat x86_64 three times? [11:20] gofio, you should be able to use Grub menu/Advanced Options to boot into older kernel [11:20] (Ubuntu 18.04 server edition) [11:21] jeremy31: when I tried, it crashed [11:21] jeremy31: only tried twice. Enough for me [11:21] gofio: what driver is causing the issue [11:22] jeremy31: a qualcomm-atheros one [11:22] hans that is because uname -a shows kernel version, processor type and hardware platform [11:22] jeremy31: can't give much detail from it as is not recognized and we've tried [11:22] gofio, did you install some dkms for it? [11:23] not recognized now. It was with ubuntu 17.10 right out of the box [11:23] nvm found the answer (the first is "machine hardware name" and #2 is "processor type" and #3 is "hardware platform", which all are called x86_64 ) [11:24] somehow something similar happened while on windows 7. It stopped working. Thus when fresh installed ubuntu was a big advantage to get back the bluetooth working. Not anymore but is not a priority. [11:24] at least I know it's not just me [11:24] gofio: was the bluetooth 0cf3:3004 [11:25] it seems qualcomm needs to sell more no matter what. [11:25] jeremy31: it could yes did not memorized it [11:26] jeremy31: can't tell about the dkms right now [11:26] gofio: you might want to remove the wifi card and see if it will boot [11:27] jeremy31: thanks for the suggestion [11:27] jeremy31: which would be the relation? [11:28] thing is if manufacturer changed the driver title [11:28] gofio: if it is a driver issue for the wifi, removing the card will keep the kernel from loading the module. It could be a hardware issue with the wifi card causing the issues [11:29] jeremy31: it's a usb bluetooth device [11:29] I should try though boot on the older kernel with the usb unplugged yes [11:30] yes [11:30] for having an android device plugged it was a longer than desired time to figure out the black screen was from that usb [11:30] Most Qualcomm wifi have been supported since kernel 4.4 [11:30] Hi folks [11:31] so, it'd be not the first time a usb plug does something like that [11:31] jeremy31: I know there are loads of issues with bluetooth [11:32] but I had none while ubuntu 17.10 already being eol [11:32] gofio: There were some issues with 0cf3:3004 as Atheros used the same ID for 2 different bluetooth chipsets. That was fixed in some 4.15 kernels [11:36] jeremy31: that's very close to my case if not the same, but if fixed, why still not working even though all the rest up to date [11:36] is up to date [11:37] I had to do NOTHING when fresh installed ubuntu 17.10 [11:39] if a selling strategy for qualcomm is very bad strategy no matter they sold a few more. As I've been suggested to solve the issue. Not gonna happen [11:39] gofio: It might be a firmware loading issue as a few years ago they put a timer in the ath3k module to make it wait [11:44] jeremy31: yeap if I understood it could be similar with an issue I had with firefox when the upgrade and 20mb bookmarks folder [11:45] jeremy31: more so when sometimes I "have to" hard shut or whatever the word used [11:46] exchanging installed hard disk between machines, etc [11:47] will try with the 4.15 see what happens [11:47] jeremy31: thanks [11:52] right now I have another issue out of the 99 issues, with pulseaudio, but highly likely is coming from a malfunctioning audio cable. So don't bother [12:03] https://imgur.com/IVw4Dc9 [12:04] need help [12:04] image in link above [12:06] !alis | qwebirc34077: try asking in #rust or ##rust (if those exist) or look for a matching channel: [12:06] qwebirc34077: try asking in #rust or ##rust (if those exist) or look for a matching channel:: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http" [12:09] there is no rust channel [12:09] where can i find rust support, [12:09] ? [12:16] <_Trullo> the game? === mTeK is now known as mmidgett === mmidgett is now known as mTeK [12:56] <_KaszpiR_> rust language === bmt_ is now known as bmt [13:08] my system tends to hang at least once a day. it starts to use the hard drive a lot, then after a couple of seconds I can't move the cursor, then it's unresponsive, can't even switch to a different terminal with ctrl-alt-f1 [13:08] that sounds very much like it's swapping [13:08] i've disabled swap a couple of days ago, yet it still happens [13:09] anybody got a clue what might be going on, where in the logs I could find any clues? [13:10] maybe there's a known memory leak in ubuntu 18.10? I used Linux Mint and it had a horrible memory leak in the file browser that would kill any system if it was open for more than an hour === im0nde_ is now known as im0nde1 [13:30] i think this restart broke gnome [13:30] i can't start the file browser [13:31] can someone explain to me how it happens that windows has no issues swapping when it needs to, yet for linux having to swap even 50 mb of data hangs the system for 20 minutes [13:37] i try to avoid swapping at all [13:56] hello [13:57] why does 'android-tools-adb' package have description 'transitional package'? [13:57] what does it even mean? [13:58] should I install that or just 'adb'? [13:58] FreeBDSM: this usually means it is an empty package which is just left in place to ensure another package it depends on will be installed if you are upgrading and previously had this package installed. [13:59] https://askubuntu.com/questions/20377/what-exact-purpose-have-transitional-packages [13:59] that's a better explanation than mine. [14:00] so, basically, it's a workaround for a problem that ubuntu's packaging system lacks a function to rename a package in such a way that updates would work? [14:00] nah, just a bit more extensive ^^ (I just thought "I went and found this online, and I didn't want my efforts to be for nothing, so I'll paste this anyway") :-P [14:01] thank you, ayekat and tomreyn [14:01] looks like I should install just 'adb' and 'fastboot', rather than android-tools-fastboot (it is not marked as transitional package, btw) and android-tools-adb [14:03] renaming a package is not an issue itself (no need for a special "function") -- the issue is that renaming a package can break dependencies of other packages [14:03] wait, it is marked so [14:03] so that's more of a high-level/conceptual issue, not specific to ubuntu's packaging system [14:03] ayekat: by renaming I meant exactly that problem [14:03] FreeBDSM: no; read the package descriptions. adb/fastboot add rules to allow user operation of adb/fastboot without root privs [14:04] This package recommends "android-sdk-platform-tools-common" which contains [14:04] the udev rules for Android devices. Without this package, adb and fastboot [14:04] need to be running with root permission. [14:04] your meaning of renaming is 'drop pkg X, create pkg Y', my meaning is 'make pkg X get renamed to Y, updates for X will result into Y' [14:05] TJ-: where did you read that? [14:05] FreeBDSM: The package description: "apt-cache show " [14:06] FreeBDSM: although I slightly mis-interpreted what it means :p [14:06] Description-en: transitional package This is a transitional package. It can safely be removed. [14:06] FreeBDSM: "your meaning" and "my meaning" are just the same thing on different levels of abstraction - "rename X to Y" is implemented by "drop X, create Y" [14:06] FreeBDSM: right; and you can also see "Depends: adb" [14:07] ayekat: drop x, create y - is not renaming, in my opinion [14:07] FreeBDSM: if you want to avoid that, you'll need to identify packages by some other means than names (e.g. numerical IDs), but that brings its own (very much larger) set of issues [14:07] so the pragmatic solution chosen by most package managers is to identify packages by their name, because it simplifies a lot [14:08] FreeBDSM: transitional packages are mainly to allow dist-upgrades to not leave the user with surprises [14:08] with the downside that renaming a package causes some hickups, for which different package managers have different solutions - debian (and thus ubuntu) use transitional packages [14:09] other package managers (like e.g. arch linux' pacman) use the concept of "provides", but that system isn't entirely perfect either [14:09] ... actually, no - they use "replaces" - "provides" is more like virtual packages with dpkg, I believe (but anyway, this is offtopic) [14:09] didn't we have an issue with netplan vs netplan.io originally, with the Canonical package originally being named "netplan" and clashing with the Debian 'netplan' which contains something entirely different? [14:09] well, then there should be cronjob or something that would scan the installed packages list for transitional packages and ask user the permission to remove them [14:10] FreeBDSM: why? they don't cause any problems, take up almost no space since they're just a control file, and in later releases as nothing depends on them, they get autoremoved [14:11] how to make 'apt list -installed' to output descriptions too? [14:11] TJ-: My appologies, I fell asleep sitting at the computer after having one too many last night [14:11] StupidLikeAFox: lol really, I almost did... stayed up until 5am and regretting it now! [14:11] StupidLikeAFox: did you solve the MGA issue once the package was correctly installed? [14:13] FreeBDSM: submit a patch :) [14:13] I haven't tried to correctly install it yet, just tried to ham fisted 'run the .deb with Software Install from thunar' method [14:13] *to /s/ the [14:13] I don't get it [14:13] StupidLikeAFox: stick to the shell command-line; it's 100% precise :) [14:13] what makes a distro a distro? [14:14] usually it's some set of utils [14:14] TJ-: I think there's an unmet dependancy still [14:14] StupidLikeAFox: although as I said originally; just add my PPA and it'll stay up to date if I have to publish fixes [14:14] like package manager, for starters [14:14] StupidLikeAFox: I installed it without problems on 18.04 here [14:14] how come a very mature (by time it exists) distro still has shitty tools for the core function of managing packages? [14:14] StupidLikeAFox: you only had a problem trying to install the *16.04* package [14:14] does no one just notice that? [14:15] FreeBDSM: this channel isn't for opinions or sounding off; take that to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss [14:15] it's not an opinion [14:16] it's a fact that package manager seems to lack a function [14:16] well, nvm [14:16] I'm not a programmer, I can't help but point at poorly made things and obvious lacking functionality [14:16] I guess, that's useless [14:16] FreeBDSM, linux is linux, however each distribution may handle these "issues" differenly [14:17] FreeBDSM: I showed you where it is: "apt-cache show ..." [14:17] coz_: linux has nothing to do with apt, apt is a distro thing. [14:17] TJ-: that's not what I asked [14:18] I have a command to list installed packages, but that command only prints package names + versions, no summary [14:18] FreeBDSM: APT is *not* the 'apt' front-end, it covers many other tools. Originally there was no 'apt' friendly frontend, it was all apt-get, apt-cache, apt-* [14:18] does that essentially change things? IMO not. [14:19] you may go on and divide a package into a set of scripts, then go on and divide a script into a set of classes and methods. === stoffepojken_ is now known as stoffepojken [14:19] FreeBDSM, synaptic gives more info if you want a gui [14:19] well, nvm, that discussion will lead nowhere [14:19] coz_: I wanted TUI, so I could grep [14:20] FreeBDSM: that's what apt-cache search ... is for [14:21] anyone encounter this while enabling livepatch? [14:21] 2019/06/16 14:20:45 error executing enable: cannot enable machine: cannot send request: Post https://livepatch.canonical.com/api/machine-tokens: dial tcp: lookup livepatch.canonical.com on [::1]:53: read udp [::1]:44264->[::1]:53: read: connection refused [14:21] FreeBDSM, i can't solve this for you, most options have already been given, they seem to be sufficient for most [14:22] notecloud: you're not alone; we've been getting a lot of reports over the last few weeks of similar issues with livepatch BUT you're the first to give us a command-line error message. Could you open a !bug report on this and I'll get the Canonical sysadmins to address it [14:23] TJ-: a quote from `man apt-cache`: `search performs a full text search on all available package lists`, available != installed [14:25] coz_: that's what I was wondering: whether it is really an important missing stuff or that my needs aren't as basic/trivial for others as I estimate them [14:27] I'd like to use the unattended update feature. Is it possible to add a ppa to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ? [14:27] FreeBDSM, I understand the frustration, perhaps an in-depth google search might reveal other options. If you find something, please report it here, I would be interested [14:28] or have a whitlist? [14:30] FreeBDSM, out of curiosity, because I was not here for the original question, does apt search "package name" reveal anything you want? [14:30] coz_: even without google I see the most obvious solution would be writing a pipeline conveyor like `apt list --installed | for-loop parsing | awk/sed ... | apt-cache show` [14:31] FreeBDSM, you may want to try #linux channel, perhaps they have other options, ? [14:32] stonerl, old post, still valid i guess https://linux-audit.com/upgrading-external-packages-with-unattended-upgrade/ [14:32] I'm scared of #linux, linux is either too general (basically, for discussing everything non-windows and non-mac), or too narrow (for discussing the kernel) [14:32] FreeBDSM, ok let me check. [14:33] stonerl: You need Origins-Pattern, see /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README.md.gz [14:34] FreeBDSM, try #freebsd [14:34] I tried [14:34] I left that OS [14:34] because their development is even slower [14:35] FreeBDSM, ah sorry, whatever irc client you use, check the channel list for other potentially advanced channels? [14:36] why? [14:36] are you subtly telling me you hate me and want me gone from this channel? :) [14:37] FreeBDSM, no ") not at all [14:37] if you're frustrated with dpkg and its dozens of frontends, you could try a distro with another package manager [14:37] FreeBDSM, trying to lead you to some potential solution [14:37] coz_: don't bother, that's not much of a problem [14:38] FreeBDSM, maybe #fedora [14:38] I'm not going to hop distros over such thing [14:38] ok [14:39] PKG=vim; apt show $(apt list --installed $PKG 2>/dev/null | tail -n +2 | cut -f 1 -d/ ) [14:39] makes no sense [14:40] `apt list --installed` should be the 1st step [14:41] (then awk/sed/cut/parse to get all packages into an array; then for loop the array doing apt-show and concatenating it's output to $RESULT, then echo $RESULT) [14:41] it's weird that --installed is explained in a section independently from the available sub-commands, but only works for some subset of commands (that does not contain `list` for some reason) [14:41] shitty docs - is the most common thing across software [14:42] !language [14:42] Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [14:42] FreeBDSM: why not hop, though? :-) what keeps you with your current distro, after all? maybe there is another distro that fulfils the same criterias, plus some more? [14:43] Eickmeyer: docs as in documentation, not doctors. Documentation can't be offended. [14:43] ayekat: --installed because for a long time those that needed it were mostly devs that only had narrow use-cases [14:43] ayekat: it started in apt-cache for tracking down dependency issues for building 'stuff (rdepends/depends) [14:44] FreeBDSM: "___ docs". Please don't use that language. That was a warning. [14:45] Eickmeyer: ____ approach, dude. [14:46] FreeBDSM: That's trolling, also against IRC guidelines. [14:46] FreeBDSM, careful with language, the ops can ban you, and ubuntu is great for new users and ease of use, perhaps a distribution like fedora, gentoo, or arch may be more to you level? [14:46] ... [14:47] FreeBDSM: I'd stop it - this channel is pretty pedantic about choice of words and... pretty much everything [14:48] ayekat: I did, but this won't stop Eickmeyer. Just you wait, he'll call cops on me for using wildcards. [14:48] FreeBDSM: As I already told you; this is a support channel for support questions, NOT for ongoing pedantic commentary. [14:49] looks like I offended you all greatly, to the bottoms of your hearts. I'm truly sorry. [14:50] FreeBDSM, not offended at all here === DetectiveNarco is now known as DetectiveTaco [14:50] FreeBDSM, challenges should always be welocomed [14:52] inappropriate behavior is inappropriate, which needed to be addressed [14:53] I can't believe how deeply I hurt you all with just one word. [14:54] OerHeks,TJ- thanks allot [14:55] Let's move on. We don't need to dwell on it unless it becomes a pattern. [14:59] sins can't go not absolved [15:12] FreeBDSM, I often stumble accross problems that I'd expect a modern OS to be able to take care of, as it would seem logical and intuitive to handle this at OS level, but then I find that nobody seemed to have found the time to solve it, or at least none of the solutions found widespread adoption or even knowledge. [15:13] Sven_vB: same. I feel like this comes as a result from manuals being chiseled in stone. They should be more wiki-like, so that they could be easily updated by anyone. [15:14] But this is not going to happen. [15:18] FreeBDSM, I think a few weeks ago I read somewhere that man and info pages are often maintained with their old target audience in mind, where in some environments being terse is essential to be useable at all. and I want Ubuntu to keep supporting people who use teletypes with very small text screens (or an interest in using the least amount of print paper) who try to leave as much bandwidth as possible for their neighbors. I'd just hope [15:18] a community will form to also cater to people like us in modern paradise where we have the luxury to dwell on the high level problems of our everyday computing. [15:20] I've found 'bropages', but failed to form a habit of using them over mans. [15:20] when everyone can edit, you have a trust problem, which for man pages can directly result in catastrophic bugs. so we'd also need a trusted review group. [15:20] thanks, I'll have a look at them,. [15:20] Sven_vB: the majority of Ubuntu installs by far are server, where there is nothing but (remote) console access [15:21] Sven_vB: do you use wikipedia? it can be edited by anyone, they've developed mechanism to protect against conflicts, trolling and vandalism. [15:22] I doubt so. Ubuntu is mostly for desktops, on servers one would choose Debian (if there's a need for deb-based distros) or CentOS (if there's no need for deb-based distros) [15:22] FreeBDSM, I often read wikipedia, and I see some accidents of "everyone can edit" as well as a lot of areas where wikimedia politics effectively restrict who can edit. [15:23] Sven_vB: it's not like the problem doesn't exist at all, of course it does. But in my experience - I never noticed such stuff. [15:23] FreeBDSM: there are millions of -server installs; possibly close to 100M, that is where Canonical makes money to support Ubuntu [15:23] in an ideal world, majority would not be a relevant concept for how Ubuntu is designed. [15:23] please follow Eickmeyer advice and move on, keep ontopic [15:24] Eickmeyer ^ I think he's trolling, warn him. [15:25] FreeBDSM: He's a regular here, and not trolling. [15:25] I'm irregular but even to me it is obvious that he's trolling: we passed the discussion long time ago and he brings it back. [15:25] yeah probably we should discuss those aspects in #ubuntu-social [15:26] Sven_vB: You mean #ubuntu-offtopic [15:26] oh, wait, did he mean the topic about manuals? [15:26] nvm then [15:26] FreeBDSM, while it's no longer about language, it's still offtopic here [15:26] yeah, realized it too slowly [15:26] nvm then [15:28] does anyone have an experience of using adb/fastboot on ubuntu? [15:29] however, one practical aspect is probably relevant here because I consider it an accessibility problem: is there a way to read documentation for Ubuntu software in a way that short CLI options in the explanations and examples are translated into their long forms? [15:29] funny how a stereo channel can f up pulseaudio [15:30] Sven_vB: iiuc - manpages are plain text, so no. [15:35] HI [15:35] i want to enable usb device inside ubuntu in VM [15:36] good luck [15:36] lol [15:37] qwebirc34077: what software you use to run VM? [15:37] and what OS is your host? [15:38] ubuntu [15:38] windows host of VM [15:39] TJ-: I seem to need 'xserver-video-abi-23' [15:40] qwebirc34077: :/ [15:40]