[04:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7dfb739dbd2d: make capitilization match screen] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7dfb739dbd2d
 Are there any Python tasks that don't involve qt and gtk? Just asking because I'm still hit a wall with the porting attempt for redshift and kind of would rather just package something easy to at least get one package in.
[16:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2 your flight over yet?
 his flight wil never be over.  *laughs evilly*
[16:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: when i can get more than two seconds of your undivided time, please ping me :/
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: when i can get more than two seconds of your undivided time, pl …], I have about 15 mins free right now, and then anytime after 7:30 Central tonight
 Busy busy times
 So hi
 @tsimonq2 [Busy busy times], that's what she said.
 *shot*
[17:10] <wxl> @tsimonq2: do you have any time before then at any point?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: do you have any time before then at any point?], What's up?
 /command !ask
 XD
[17:10] <wxl> i did.
 What can I help you with?
[17:11] <wxl> oh, that. i already asked that, too.
 Wat?
 Let me put this more bluntly... Whatchu want? 😆
[17:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2b54dea59185: clarify where to mute] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2b54dea59185
[17:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: first, there's the question of lubuntu-default-settings not building. first time i build it, i have no problem. then i have it if and only if i build it a second time. issue relates to some po file in xsessions not existing, which is a wtf. hoping for clues/suggestions.
 Check debian/rules or try and find how we build translations
[18:00] <wxl> but why does it not happen the first time?
[18:00] <wxl> and why has this never happened before?
[18:01] <wxl> rules is about as barebones as it can be
 Again, something with translations. I would try a build on Disco in a PPA. If that works, it's an underlying tooling change. If it doesn't work, then we're missing something.
[18:02] <wxl> but again, i can reproduce the problem.. but only if i build it twice
[18:05] <wxl> @tsimonq2: next: "Breaks: lubuntu-default-session (<< 1.0)," emits "package-relation-with-self." is that really what we want?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: next: "Breaks: lubuntu-default-session (<< 1.0)," emits "packag …], yes
 @wxl [<wxl> but again, i can reproduce the problem.. but only if i build it twice], O_o
[18:10] <wxl> @tsimonq2: and a new one: calamares emits "unknown-field-in-dsc" for "Debian-Vcs-{Git,Browser}" which we don't have in our control though we do have "XS-Debian-Vcs-"
[18:12] <wxl> @tsimonq2: and if we do want these, why aren't we overriding them? we're only bothering to override fatal tags and not warnings?
 unknown-field-in-dsc is an upstream Lintian bug
 Yes, warnings are "shoulds" (RFC 2119)
[18:16] <wxl> from the guy that considers pedantic a default, i'm shocked
 pedantic is a default
[18:16] <wxl> i would think overrides for the purposes of documentation might make sense
 Lintian is scary though
 It threatened to cut me ._.
[18:38] <wxl> @tsimonq2: would you be against an override, at least on the self-reference, for the purposes of documenting the strangeness?
[18:39] <wxl> @tsimonq2: next: why is spice-vdagent a dependency of lubuntu-desktop?
[18:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL99f36c2efe95: Add name and options in print dialog] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL99f36c2efe95
 is featherpad supposed to not highlight text with the print dialog open
[18:45] <wxl> weird
[18:45] <wxl> that doesn't sound like a feature
 it comes back when closed
[18:46] <wxl> sounds like you got a bug to file
 @wxl [<wxl> from the guy that considers pedantic a default, i'm shocked], Some pedantic errors are more urgent than warnings sometimes
 @wxl [<wxl> i would think overrides for the purposes of documentation might make sense], It's a good idea
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: would you be against an override, at least on the self-referenc …], Not at all
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: next: why is spice-vdagent a dependency of lubuntu-desktop?], I have no clue, that's from the gilir days I think
 @wxl [<wxl> sounds like you got a bug to file], ^
[18:47] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's not in our seed. how do we get rid of it?
 See how it's getting pulled in
 rdepends, wxl.
 rdepends.
 check em.
 :P
[18:48] <wxl> it's a direct dependency
[18:48] <wxl> it's not in xenial
[18:48] <wxl> or bionic
[18:48] <wxl> it shows up in cosmic
 just going to include this because i think it seems it's part of EVERY image...
 ```spice-vdagent … Reverse Depends: …   ubuntu-desktop …   xubuntu-desktop …   xubuntu-core …   vanilla-gnome-desktop …   ubuntustudio-desktop-core …   ubuntustudio-desktop …   ubuntukylin-desktop …   ubuntu-mate-desktop …   ubuntu-mate-core …   ubuntu-budgie-desktop …   lubuntu-desktop …   kubuntu-desktop …   ubuntu-desktop-minimal
 (from `apt-cache rdepends spice-vdagent` in Eoan)
[18:53] <wxl> wtf whyyyyy
 i believe you should ask the release team :3
[18:54] <wxl> why isn't server in there?
 maybe it's just something desktop needed?
 EICKMEYER I KNOW YOU ARE ALIVE
 ^ explain this ffor Studio and Xubuntu.
 @Eickmeyer
[18:59] <apt-ghetto> man 1 spice-vdagent => spice-vdagent  gets automatically started in desktop environments which honor /etc/xdg/autostart
 I’ll have to look into this.
 Is this so that it works in virt manager and stuff
[19:00] <wxl> and in other news we have a geoclue demo agent autostarting because of network-manager-gnome but also because lxqt depends on gdm3
[19:01] <wxl> apt-ghetto: i gather that, but the issue is not about the autostart, so much as why it's there at all
 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/429062518/print_no_highlighting.png
[19:01] <lynorian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/featherpad/+bug/1833118
[19:06] <wxl> i guess we can blacklist them in the seeds
[19:06] <wxl> @tsimonq2: won't that work if there's some global addition?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: won't that work if there's some global addition?], It will, yeah
 I'd say email ubuntu-devel though
[19:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec160936c238: Add more printer options to featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec160936c238
[19:19]  * Eickmeyer throws a hot, hard coffee mug at teward
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> I'm having trouble seeing what the problem is with spice-vdagent.
[19:19] <wxl> don't want it there
[19:19] <teward> *shielded* ERR: DMB Meeting
[19:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf6cc9e04838d: Add specific pages to print in featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf6cc9e04838d
[19:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: (k3b, quassel, trojita) -> qtwebkit -> qtpositioning -> (recommends) geoclue. now how to get rid of it?
 Actually, geoclue would be a good thing to have.
 I was at SELF and someone recommended we use it for the system panel clock
 If we add redshift we will need it for that too.
[19:48] <wxl> it seems to run a "demo geoclue agent"
[19:49] <wxl> let me get this straight..... it autostarts a demo???????????
[19:55]  * Eickmeyer throws packages and an IV drip of coffee at teward for his SUCCESSFUL CORE-DEV APPLICAITON!!!!
[19:55] <teward> hah, thanks Eickmeyer
[19:55] <teward> I'll just take the coffee for now
[19:55] <teward> E:ACLNotUpdated
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> hehe
[19:55] <wxl> congrats
[19:56] <teward> thanks wxl :)
 That is awesome teward!
 ^.^ I know!  :D
 Congrats to you!
 thank you.
 congrats @teward001 !!!
 thanks @HMollerCl :)
 You're indirectly a Lubuntu Developer now ;)
 @teward001 Congratulations :)
 @tsimonq2 heh good point xD
 @acheronuk thanks!
[22:25] <guiverc2> Congratulations teward on Ubuntu Core dev accreditation.
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> wxl, @HMollerCl: I sense a troll.
[22:42] <wxl> i think they have consistently shown themselves to be legitimately interested, Eickmeyer but i might be wrong