| seb128 | fginther, hey, I think you mentioned recently ps-jenkins recetly ... did you do any change around that? I started receiving list moderation emails when commenting on/approving mps on some unity components now | 09:09 |
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| tenplus1 | hi folks, anyone got the insider info on the chromium-browser snap switchover ? | 17:17 |
| tenplus1 | seems the chromium snap is running very slow on startup and uses more memory, damn | 17:27 |
| sarnold | tenplus1: it might be worth reporting to the folks in #snappy | 17:33 |
| sarnold | I'm not sure if they'll be able to do anything, but they might be able to suggest where to send bug reports | 17:33 |
| tenplus1 | hi sarnold, was hoping someone in here would shine a light on why the sudden change to snaps, the .debs were a lot faster | 17:34 |
| tenplus1 | if it's to save devs creating debs for each new release I'd rather they didnt for a browser | 17:36 |
| juliank | tenplus1: like for a browser it's really important, the rest you don't really need to keep up-to-date | 17:46 |
| tenplus1 | very true, but for a browser loading times and memory use are also very important | 17:47 |
| tenplus1 | and using snaps messes with all that | 17:47 |
| rbasak | tenplus1: I can't speak for chromium specifically, but I am aware of the ever increasing rather ridiculous amount of work involved in maintain a "deb" for a browser in a stable distribution release when the browser upstream bumps dependencies more than is possible in the distro release. | 17:48 |
| juliank | Star time is basically irrelevant for a browser, as it's usually running continuously | 17:49 |
| rbasak | tenplus1: eg. Firefox's introduction of Rust | 17:49 |
| tenplus1 | it takes 20 seconds to load the browser, and that's from an ssd... not good | 17:49 |
| rbasak | tenplus1: I wouldn't call it sudden. It's been brewing for a very long time. | 17:49 |
| juliank | In any case, there's always Chrome which Google provides a deb for | 17:49 |
| rbasak | Probably with everything bundled :) | 17:50 |
| tenplus1 | *shudder* never chrome :P I use chromium because it's open source | 17:50 |
| juliank | It's the same thing, with different branding, and a flash and a drm plugin | 17:51 |
| juliank | rbasak: mostly yes, and they only build one deb for all releases | 17:51 |
| juliank | So it's like a snap in a deb | 17:51 |
| rbasak | juliank: sounds little different from a snap, except for the lack of sandboxing | 17:51 |
| rbasak | snap :) | 17:51 |
| tenplus1 | I always thought that chromium didnt have all the google crap running in the background that reports home | 17:51 |
| juliank | tenplus1: hint: it allows sync with Google accounts. It also has telemetry options | 17:53 |
| sarnold | flash and drm plugin were all I ever heard were the substantial changes | 17:53 |
| tenplus1 | would probably be easier getting chromium-ungoogled then ? | 17:53 |
| juliank | Use Firefox if you want to report home to Mozilla instead | 17:53 |
| juliank | :) | 17:53 |
| tenplus1 | lol... ff isok but slow | 17:53 |
| juliank | I also have opera installed | 17:54 |
| juliank | I was testing debconf prompts with it.... | 17:54 |
| tenplus1 | do you find that better to use ? | 17:54 |
| juliank | No I have not even started it! | 17:55 |
| juliank | I was just testing installing it :) | 17:55 |
| tenplus1 | ahh :) | 17:55 |
| juliank | Also, it's just Chrome, but reporting home to Opera instead | 17:55 |
| juliank | Soon well have Edge I guess, in case you want to report to Microsoft instead | 17:56 |
| tenplus1 | basically most browsers report home to someone eh ? | 17:56 |
| juliank | I guess the WebKit ones don't, but get no security support. | 17:57 |
| sarnold | I haven't extensively looked, but w3m probably doesn't :) | 17:57 |
| juliank | netsurf is fun too, if you like static web, but with graphics | 17:57 |
| tenplus1 | I did try midori but kept crashing | 17:58 |
| tenplus1 | and kubu had a nice browser at one point that ran well, then they renamed it and it's buggy now | 17:58 |
| juliank | Basically, you can only have www or privacy, pick one | 17:59 |
| tenplus1 | yeah, kinda sucks considering it's one of the most important tools today on desktops | 17:59 |
| tenplus1 | who knows, maybe ubuntu will go chro9mium-ungoogled one day :) a big marketing plus point for them :D | 18:00 |
| tenplus1 | o/ | 18:12 |
| sil2100 | !dmb-ping | 19:00 |
| ubottu | cyphermox, jbicha, micahg, rbasak, sil2100, slashd, tsimonq2: DMB ping. | 19:00 |
| sarnold | teward: woot :) | 19:03 |
| sarnold | ddstreet: congratulations :) | 19:29 |
| sarnold | teward: congratulations :) | 19:53 |
| teward | sarnold: thank you! | 19:53 |
| ArchaicLord | Hi everyone, I been using Ubuntu for a while and have dabbled with programming. ( I worte a function and it worked) I would really like to make an effort and learn a lot more and get involved. I found some pages but I started going round in cicrles and some links to videos are not avalible.The developers at my work use Node.js and was wondering if there is anything I can do to learn this along side helping Ubuntu in my | 20:45 |
| ArchaicLord | out of work time? Any suggetions? | 20:45 |
| sladen | ArchaicLord: what you could do, is to install Node.js under Ubuntu. And in doing so, check that the documentation is 100% correct | 20:48 |
| sladen | ArchaicLord: if anything did not work perfectly, it could be reported as a bug, to help improve the documentation | 20:48 |
| ArchaicLord | is there an offical place for Ubuntu Documentation? Node.js itself provides documentation should I not use this ? | 20:53 |
| sladen | ArchaicLord: find a set of instructions (eg. the Node.js-provided instructions). Follow those instructions exactly. Do those instructions work? Are any steps missing, or unclear. Report bugs (in this case to Node.js) | 20:55 |
| ArchaicLord | sladen done :) easy install. THe hard but though was working out what instruction to use in the first place lol | 21:01 |
| teward | connor_k: you alive? | 22:39 |
| connor_k | teward, i think so | 22:39 |
| connor_k | teward, what's up? | 22:39 |
| teward | connor_k: an ubuntu forums guy prodded me (since my coredev application was approved) asking if I could take a look at #1613837 where it suggests changes to rtl8812au's dkms.conf for older kernel compat | 22:40 |
| teward | in Bionic you TIL and it's still in proposed for 4.19, 4.20 and 5.0 compat with the kernel, what's the status on that? | 22:41 |
| teward | or is there someone dedicated kernel team side that i should point this at? | 22:41 |
| teward | and I try and avoid DKMS and kernel like the plague where I can so looking for where I should point this next | 22:42 |
| infinity | teward: cascardo might be a good starting point on the kernel team, he's even touched that one in the past. | 22:43 |
| teward | infinity: makes sense, was poking connor specifically on the bionic proposed one. as i said i try and avoid touching the kernel heh | 22:44 |
| teward | or DKMS stuff | 22:44 |
| teward | i'll poke #ubuntu-kernel thanks infinity | 22:45 |
| connor_k | teward, sorry, what do you mean by "TIL"? heh. I don't know if any one of us has been marked for DKMS fixing but maybe #ubuntu-kernel | 22:45 |
| infinity | teward: I'm not really sure I see an actionable bug there, though. | 22:45 |
| teward | infinity: nor do I, but i want a second set of eyes on this | 22:45 |
| teward | infinity: AIUI though the bug SUGGESTS that for newer kernels it's not building | 22:46 |
| infinity | teward: Given that trusty is out of community support. | 22:46 |
| teward | I can't even confirm this in a VM | 22:46 |
| teward | infinity: #ubuntuforums guy says Xenial, Bionic affected | 22:46 |
| teward | i can't repro | 22:46 |
| teward | infinity: i'm wondering if 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade triggered this - DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 <-- in the bug | 22:47 |
| teward | so at least 16.04 seems affected | 22:47 |
| sarnold | connor_k: TIL --> "touched it last", the name that shows up on eg https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html?showProposed=true&showMergeNeeded=true | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: TIL TIL. | 22:47 |
| sarnold | Unit193 :D | 22:48 |
| teward | infinity: i'm tempted to mark as "Incomplete" and say we need more evidence this happens on newer *buntu, but it's DKMS stuff that I try and tread lightly around | 22:48 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: Also that Ruby/openssl thing keeps hitting, I think I'm calling that one an undefined regression. :/ | 22:48 |
| connor_k | sarnold, oh thank you. I only know that to be "today i learned" | 22:49 |
| teward | heh | 22:49 |
| sarnold | Unit193: most of the regressions so far were nailed down to "don't use a self-compiled openssl", "if you're going to download packages from pip you may need to rebuild them" and "maybe running a three year old version of ansible has downsides :) | 22:50 |
| infinity | teward: The log clearly shows it trying to build the 4.4 module against the 3.13 headers. So, yeah, there might be a bug here in that it should specify its target more sanely. | 22:50 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: Hah, nice..And yeah, most certainly don't compile openssl yourself. :3 | 22:50 |
| connor_k | teward, infinity yeah, I'd like to take a look at this. | 22:55 |
| connor_k | it'll be a good break from | 22:55 |
| * connor_k looks up from other DKMS issues | 22:55 | |
| connor_k | other DKMS issues | 22:55 |
| teward | heh | 22:56 |
| sarnold | poor connor_k :) | 22:56 |
| teward | sarnold: so how about that postman code review or w/e it was that massive one? :P | 22:56 |
| sarnold | teward: I don't want to talk about it | 22:56 |
| * sarnold hides | 22:56 | |
| connor_k | that's weird, he was /just/ here | 22:57 |
| teward | lol | 23:03 |
| teward | sarnold should never have shared that was what they were working on, and that it's a pain, because I now just poke them with that regularly xD | 23:04 |
| sarnold | heheh | 23:04 |
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