[09:09] <seb128> fginther, hey, I think you mentioned recently ps-jenkins recetly ... did you do any change around that? I started receiving list moderation emails when commenting on/approving mps on some unity components now
[17:17] <tenplus1> hi folks, anyone got the insider info on the chromium-browser snap switchover ?
[17:27] <tenplus1> seems the chromium snap is running very slow on startup and uses more memory, damn
[17:33] <sarnold> tenplus1: it might be worth reporting to the folks in #snappy
[17:33] <sarnold> I'm not sure if they'll be able to do anything, but they might be able to suggest where to send bug reports
[17:34] <tenplus1> hi sarnold, was hoping someone in here would shine a light on why the sudden change to snaps, the .debs were a lot faster
[17:36] <tenplus1> if it's to save devs creating debs for each new release I'd rather they didnt for a browser
[17:46] <juliank> tenplus1: like for a browser it's really important, the rest you don't really need to keep up-to-date
[17:47] <tenplus1> very true, but for a browser loading times and memory use are also very important
[17:47] <tenplus1> and using snaps messes with all that
[17:48] <rbasak> tenplus1: I can't speak for chromium specifically, but I am aware of the ever increasing rather ridiculous amount of work involved in maintain a "deb" for a browser in a stable distribution release when the browser upstream bumps dependencies more than is possible in the distro release.
[17:49] <juliank> Star time is basically irrelevant for a browser, as it's usually running continuously
[17:49] <rbasak> tenplus1: eg. Firefox's introduction of Rust
[17:49] <tenplus1> it takes 20 seconds to load the browser, and that's from an ssd... not good
[17:49] <rbasak> tenplus1: I wouldn't call it sudden. It's been brewing for a very long time.
[17:49] <juliank> In any case, there's always Chrome which Google provides a deb for
[17:50] <rbasak> Probably with everything bundled :)
[17:50] <tenplus1> *shudder* never chrome :P  I use chromium because it's open source
[17:51] <juliank> It's the same thing, with different branding, and a flash and a drm plugin
[17:51] <juliank> rbasak: mostly yes, and they only build one deb for all releases
[17:51] <juliank> So it's like a snap in a deb
[17:51] <rbasak> juliank: sounds little different from a snap, except for the lack of sandboxing
[17:51] <rbasak> snap :)
[17:51] <tenplus1> I always thought that chromium didnt have all the google crap running in the background that reports home
[17:53] <juliank> tenplus1: hint: it allows sync with Google accounts. It also has telemetry options
[17:53] <sarnold> flash and drm plugin were all I ever heard were the substantial changes
[17:53] <tenplus1> would probably be easier getting chromium-ungoogled then ?
[17:53] <juliank> Use Firefox if you want to report home to Mozilla instead
[17:53] <juliank> :)
[17:53] <tenplus1> lol... ff isok but slow
[17:54] <juliank> I also have opera installed
[17:54] <juliank> I was testing debconf prompts with it....
[17:54] <tenplus1> do you find that better to use ?
[17:55] <juliank> No I have not even started it!
[17:55] <juliank> I was just testing installing it :)
[17:55] <tenplus1> ahh :)
[17:55] <juliank> Also, it's just Chrome, but reporting home to Opera instead
[17:56] <juliank> Soon well have Edge I guess, in case you want to report to Microsoft instead
[17:56] <tenplus1> basically most browsers report home to someone eh ?
[17:57] <juliank> I guess the WebKit ones don't, but get no security support.
[17:57] <sarnold> I haven't extensively looked, but w3m probably doesn't :)
[17:57] <juliank> netsurf is fun too, if you like static web, but with graphics
[17:58] <tenplus1> I did try midori but kept crashing
[17:58] <tenplus1> and kubu had a nice browser at one point that ran well, then they renamed it and it's buggy now
[17:59] <juliank> Basically, you can only have www or privacy, pick one
[17:59] <tenplus1> yeah, kinda sucks considering it's one of the most important tools today on desktops
[18:00] <tenplus1> who knows, maybe ubuntu will go chro9mium-ungoogled one day :) a big marketing plus point for them :D
[18:12] <tenplus1> o/
[19:00] <sil2100> !dmb-ping
[19:03] <sarnold> teward: woot :)
[19:29] <sarnold> ddstreet: congratulations :)
[19:53] <sarnold> teward: congratulations :)
[19:53] <teward> sarnold: thank you!
[20:45] <ArchaicLord> Hi everyone, I been using Ubuntu for a while and have dabbled with programming. ( I worte a function and it worked) I would really like to make an effort and learn a lot more and get involved. I found some pages but I started going round in cicrles and some links to videos are not avalible.The developers at my work use Node.js and was wondering if there is anything I can do to learn this along side helping Ubuntu in my
[20:45] <ArchaicLord> out of work time? Any suggetions?
[20:48] <sladen> ArchaicLord: what you could do, is to install Node.js under Ubuntu.  And in doing so, check that the documentation is 100% correct
[20:48] <sladen> ArchaicLord: if anything did not work perfectly, it could be reported as a bug, to help improve the documentation
[20:53] <ArchaicLord> is there an offical place for Ubuntu Documentation? Node.js itself provides documentation should I not use this ?
[20:55] <sladen> ArchaicLord: find a set of instructions (eg. the Node.js-provided instructions).  Follow those instructions exactly.  Do those instructions work?  Are any steps missing, or unclear.  Report bugs (in this case to Node.js)
[21:01] <ArchaicLord> sladen done :) easy install.  THe hard but though was working out what instruction to use in the first place lol
[22:39] <teward> connor_k: you alive?
[22:39] <connor_k> teward, i think so
[22:39] <connor_k> teward, what's up?
[22:40] <teward> connor_k: an ubuntu forums guy prodded me (since my coredev application was approved) asking if I could take a look at #1613837 where it suggests changes to rtl8812au's dkms.conf for older kernel compat
[22:41] <teward> in Bionic you TIL and it's still in proposed for 4.19, 4.20 and 5.0 compat with the kernel, what's the status on that?
[22:41] <teward> or is there someone dedicated kernel team side that i should point this at?
[22:42] <teward> and I try and avoid DKMS and kernel like the plague where I can so looking for where I should point this next
[22:43] <infinity> teward: cascardo might be a good starting point on the kernel team, he's even touched that one in the past.
[22:44] <teward> infinity: makes sense, was poking connor specifically on the bionic proposed one.  as i said i try and avoid touching the kernel heh
[22:44] <teward> or DKMS stuff
[22:45] <teward> i'll poke #ubuntu-kernel thanks infinity
[22:45] <connor_k> teward, sorry, what do you mean by "TIL"? heh. I don't know if any one of us has been marked for DKMS fixing but maybe #ubuntu-kernel
[22:45] <infinity> teward: I'm not really sure I see an actionable bug there, though.
[22:45] <teward> infinity: nor do I, but i want a second set of eyes on this
[22:46] <teward> infinity: AIUI though the bug SUGGESTS that for newer kernels it's not building
[22:46] <infinity> teward: Given that trusty is out of community support.
[22:46] <teward> I can't even confirm this in a VM
[22:46] <teward> infinity: #ubuntuforums guy says Xenial, Bionic affected
[22:46] <teward> i can't repro
[22:47] <teward> infinity: i'm wondering if 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade triggered this - DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 <-- in the bug
[22:47] <teward> so at least 16.04 seems affected
[22:47] <sarnold> connor_k: TIL --> "touched it last", the name that shows up on eg https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html?showProposed=true&showMergeNeeded=true
[22:47] <Unit193> sarnold: TIL TIL.
[22:48] <sarnold> Unit193 :D
[22:48] <teward> infinity: i'm tempted to mark as "Incomplete" and say we need more evidence this happens on newer *buntu, but it's DKMS stuff that I try and tread lightly around
[22:48] <Unit193> sarnold: Also that Ruby/openssl thing keeps hitting, I think I'm calling that one an undefined regression. :/
[22:49] <connor_k> sarnold, oh thank you. I only know that to be "today i learned"
[22:49] <teward> heh
[22:50] <sarnold> Unit193: most of the regressions so far were nailed down to "don't use a self-compiled openssl", "if you're going to download packages from pip you may need to rebuild them" and "maybe running a three year old version of ansible has downsides :)
[22:50] <infinity> teward: The log clearly shows it trying to build the 4.4 module against the 3.13 headers.  So, yeah, there might be a bug here in that it should specify its target more sanely.
[22:50] <Unit193> sarnold: Hah, nice..And yeah, most certainly don't compile openssl yourself. :3
[22:55] <connor_k> teward, infinity yeah, I'd like to take a look at this.
[22:55] <connor_k> it'll be a good break from
[22:55]  * connor_k looks up from other DKMS issues
[22:55] <connor_k> other DKMS issues
[22:56] <teward> heh
[22:56] <sarnold> poor connor_k :)
[22:56] <teward> sarnold: so how about that postman code review or w/e it was that massive one? :P
[22:56] <sarnold> teward: I don't want to talk about it
[22:56]  * sarnold hides
[22:57] <connor_k> that's weird, he was /just/ here
[23:03] <teward> lol
[23:04] <teward> sarnold should never have shared that was what they were working on, and that it's a pain, because I now just poke them with that regularly xD
[23:04] <sarnold> heheh