[00:00] kinghat: ' sudo dmidecode -t memory ; sudo lshw -c memory ' . [00:06] thanks Bashing-om, would that say if its ECC? [00:08] kinghat: Bad memory .. but I think dmidecode will tell. [00:13] kinghat: Yup "Error Correcting Capabilities:" . [00:17] sorry was afk for a min yup i see her. tyvm [01:30] Hiello, I have this problem where if I startup my computer and dont log in imediately the screen will go dormant and not come back up. [01:31] i can logout and let the screen go dormant and its fine. it only seems to happen on initial startup [01:31] thanks inadvance! === zbenjamin is now known as Guest35122 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === xerox123- is now known as xerox123 [02:30] help, I tried to install chromium os from withing terminal and the disk got full to the fetch failed but I can't find where the files are to delete them [02:31] towser: "sudo apt-get clean" [02:32] hi, how to disable auto enable & autostart of applications post install? [02:32] towser: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge can help clean up some space [02:32] I don't want any program autoenabled after install [02:32] aneon, i think not, as it is by design? [02:32] freed up no space at all [02:33] OerHeks: Okay, I don't understand logic behind autostarting applications during install [02:34] tons of discussions about that, redhat and forks do it differently. [02:34] Yeah, I like that [02:35] I've eye irritation for certain colors and the dialog box that comes up post install annoys me [02:36] I think there's some files left over but idk where they went [02:43] because the disk is still very full after the fetch command [02:52] towser: type "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999" [02:53] EriC^^, that gave me a website [02:58] EriC^^, with disk stuff on it [03:01] try bleachbit and remove unnecessary languages & stuff [03:01] it will give you about 2GB, not sure whether that much works for you though [03:05] aneon, humm not much space freed up ther only a few mb [03:05] run as root [03:06] dont use memory cleaning and wiping free space, takes a long time [03:10] aneon, nope it's still full [03:10] in bionic, is there a way to enable the orange overlay scrollbars in gtk2 apps [03:11] du -h -d 1 / [03:12] towser: what your df -h looks like? [03:13] https://termbin.com/y6ad [03:13] that was it like 5 minutes ago I think [03:15] aneon, ^ [03:15] check du -h -d 1 / [03:15] and delete unnecessary stuff [03:16] i almost feel like im a mirage in this channel [03:17] oh aneon theres somethign just showing as . idk what it si [03:17] is* [03:18] you can increase the depth by 2 or 3 [03:19] 10GB / is too small anyway [03:23] aneon, yes I know but I don't think I can grow tat [03:27] why not? [03:27] if there is a space on disk then you can do that [03:27] aneon, without breaking anything? [03:28] boot live cd, use dump, save it on other media, redo the partitions [03:28] yes [03:28] restore from dump [03:28] you can resize without a live usb [03:29] ext4 supports live enlarging [03:29] when there is empty space on disk [03:30] towser: what does the partition table look like? type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" [03:34] there are two hard drives. one is ubuntu and extra stuff and the other is windows 10 [03:34] https://termbin.com/lq7u [03:36] hi. [03:36] hello === [b0b] is now known as b0b [03:59] how does 18.04 compare to 19.04? [04:00] can i upgrade from 18.04.2 LTS to 19.04? [04:07] Biessie, the only tested and supported path is via 18.04 -> 18.10 then 18.10 -> 19.04 You can however re-install to jump to 19.04 (use something else & no format, it'll note your added apps, wipe system dirs, install, add back your added apps without touching user files if you didn't have format selected) [04:07] roger that [04:09] 18.04 LTS will be able to skip to next LTS (ie. 20.04 LTS), but that's awhile away.. [04:11] im following this [04:11] hopefully it works. https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-18-10-to-ubuntu-19-04 [04:11] Biessie, compare: i prefer later releases most changes are minor (note: i rarely use gnome though); but that'd be more a non-support question I suspect (ie. better suited to -discuss or -offtopic) [04:12] ? [04:12] i was just asking about ubuntu directly [04:19] LTS releases tend to be very conservative (few to no risks due to 5 years of support); 19.04 being a year packages (generally only security fixes are backported to older supported releases, not newer software) === QcR13 is now known as QcR [05:41] morning cfhowlett [05:43] yowza ^3 lotuspsychje [05:47] o.o [05:47] can we help you interlink [05:47] nah not really [06:20] is there a way to ignore the postinst script for a certain package in apt-get? Let's say I'm installing some sort of database (think MySQL, postgres, MongoDB), normally the postinst step would initialize some of the data structures with default settings. I would like to initiate them in my automation myself instead with different parameters. [06:26] how can i download any video from any website in chrome or firefox? Video downloader extension is not doing the job [06:28] pm23: there's no 'from any website' - there's a ton of different ways to stream video via the web [06:28] pm23: youtube-dl is super useful for a lot of things [06:30] Trying to setup netplan to use ip6 but don't know the gateway is there a method to find the gateway? thx [06:32] oh well i try [06:33] apart from it...I installed "HP Laser Jet M1005 MFP" and the printer is working well...means I had installed 'hplip' from ubuntu software center but the scanner in it is to be installed in what way as it is not working? [06:33] nils_: you can always predefine config files before you install, dpkg won't overwrite them unless you force it to [06:33] otherwise add to your automation a step to remove default install and reinit the db. [06:36] pm23: no idea, have not used a printer or scanner in a long time [06:38] blackflow, yeah that's probably easier. [06:43] ok [06:43] anyone else? [06:50] CyberFingers, without dhcp? [06:52] hi nils_ I am using virtual systems [06:52] Citrix is using IP6 and I can find the IP address but not sure about gateway? [06:53] is there any benefit to using firefox as a snap as opposed to using as is from the repo? I get thatas a snap, it's in a container which gives it etra security but is it actually useful? [06:54] eraserpencil: the users choice, different versions [06:55] can someone fix bluetooth already? this is super annoying [06:55] Another issues I just noticed is database only seems to be connecting with IPV4 IP Address and not IPV6 IP Address, so I'm not sure even if I figure out the correct gateway if database will connect? [06:55] everytime i close the laptop lid bluetooth turns off and there is no way to turn it back on without closing and reopening the lid again [06:56] !bug | CoolerZ [06:56] CoolerZ: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [06:56] happens if you put it to sleep as well [06:56] CoolerZ: did you update your bios to latest? [06:56] lotuspsychje, yeah well there are hundreds of threads on this already if you search google and it still hasn't been fixed [06:56] thanks lotuspsychje [06:57] CoolerZ: im not talking about threads, but a specific bug for your system [06:58] it is not specific [06:58] CyberFingers, that sounds a bit more complicated ;) I don't know about Citrix, at home my IPv6 works via DHCP, for my servers they use fe80::1 which works automagically on some networks. [06:58] as evidenced by the multitude of people having the same problems [06:59] CoolerZ: did you find another bug relevant to your issue, then please paste the bug # here, and affect yourself to the bug [07:05] hi [07:06] anyone here? [07:06] only 1500 or so [07:06] qwebirc39531 yes [07:06] It's a support channel. you ask a support question, you get a support answer [07:23] trying to update my Ethernet drivers. How do I check which version of e1000e is already installed? [07:24] lspci -nnk | grep net -A2 gives this output: https://pastebin.com/9ghx7ee8 [07:24] monojamoon|: ubuntu chooses the best driver for your hardware normally [07:24] ok [07:25] monojamoon|: do you encounter issues with your network? [07:25] actually I was having trouble connecting to my college LAN. asked the operator about it and he instructed me to update LAN drivers. [07:25] I am currently running Ubuntu 19.04 [07:26] monojamoon|: can you elaborate on connecting trouble? [07:27] My university network uses 802.1x security and PEAP as authentication. [07:28] LAN connection is always successful [07:28] however after the connection is completed, I get a chrome pop-up to authenticate [07:28] that popup fails to load and times out [07:29] this doesn't happen on my personal laptop... the authentication page loads in a flash [07:29] monojamoon|: wifi and ethernet are 2 different things [07:30] monojamoon|: does your lan work or not? [07:30] it does [07:30] case solved? [07:30] :) [07:30] seems like it [07:31] but is there any way to actually check which version of the driver is installed, that was the original question [07:33] monojamoon|: i check mostly with sudo lshw -C network [07:33] driver=... [07:34] wow ... thanks :) [07:35] driverversion=3.2.6-k [07:47] Hey channeşl - I'm currently using ubuntu 18.04 - but I'd like to try the newest gnome so I believe I have to switch to rooling release? [07:47] I wanted to know: how often does it break? [07:47] !mix | mia [07:47] mia: it is usually a very bad idea to mix packages from different releases (or Linux distributions), and it is completely unsupported [07:47] is it a good release to pick for a daily driver workstation? [07:47] lotuspsychje, I'm not going to mix things [07:48] I'll directly update to 19.10 [07:48] mia: Rolling release dont break more than normal ones. [07:48] mia: 19.10 is still in development now [07:48] tachikomas, hm, so is it safe to be on? [07:49] i use one as my daily driver. I had no problem what so ever, but i also know how to fix things so... [08:00] mia: no, it's still under development. [08:05] hi guys, is they anyway to set ubuntu to auto start a program at 10:00AM monday - friday? [08:18] there is systemd timers, but not sure if there is something ubuntu-specific [08:18] baako: ^ [08:55] cheers ayekat [09:06] baako: there's also cronjobs [09:28] Hi [09:28] I've got the following mount line: [09:28] /home/vagrant/dartagnan/node_modules/renderer /vagrant/dartagnan-renderer/node_modules/ none x-systemd.requires=/vagrant,defaults,bind 0 0 [09:29] See the "x-systemd.requires=/vagrant"? [09:29] The mount is supposed to happened after /vagrant is being mounted, because it's a NFS shared folder. [09:29] But it doesn't work. [09:29] The system is unable to boot because of this mount. [09:30] If I comment this mount, let the VM boot and then do "mount -a" the mount does work. [09:30] Is there a way to wait for the NFS to be mounted before doing my other mount? [09:35] in systemd you can make one depend on the other [09:40] Cheez: I thought that's what I did with "x-systemd.requires=/vagrant" [09:40] DevAntoine: yes but you shouldn't use fstab. Fstab is used for generators that produce .mount units. unfortunately, network comes after fs iirc, which breaks your boot as network is required for that NFS which is required to boot which is required for network annnnnnd a loop. [09:42] blackflow: Ah, I see... [09:42] Where those mount units are supposed to be? [09:43] Because I see nothing in /etc/systemd/system [09:55] DevAntoine: the auto-generated ones (from fstab) are in /run/systemd/ [09:56] you put yours in /etc/systemd/system/ of course [10:03] !ping [10:03] pong! [10:04] blackflow: find /run/systemd -name "*.mount" [10:04] returns nothing [10:12] hello, who's responsible for launchpad repos? [10:12] Err:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu bionic InRelease > The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 957D2708A03A4626 [10:13] hmm, looks like they just updated the pubkey: http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu/dists/bionic/Release.gpg is dated 16.06.2019 [10:13] pax_rhos: you; you haven't added that key to apt-key's trusted database [10:13] Hi, X is freezing shortly after logging in, Ubuntu 18.04 on a VirtualBox VM [10:13] I can still move the cursor but is otherwise unresponsive, and Ctrl+Alt+F? does not do anything [10:14] pax_rhos:that key was created in 2009 [10:14] TJ-: http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu/dists/bionic/ Release.gpg2019-06-16 19:37299 [10:14] ChrisL71: that *may* be to do with a VirtualBox issue; I've noticed several similar reports recently from other users [10:15] pax_rhos: so? [10:15] 2019 != 2009 [10:15] pax_rhos: that is just the detached signatire of the Release file [10:16] pax_rhos: maybe you can share your actual issue? [10:16] pax_rhos: as I said, your apt-key trusted db is missing the key [10:16] what file should I add to apt-key then? [10:16] pax_rhos: did you add this repository manually, or use add-apt-repository tool? [10:16] I don't remember now [10:17] TJ-: I had the same or similar issue on VMWare, might be unrelated [10:17] pax_rhos:the PPA web page usually shows the "technical" info on commands needed to add the PPA [10:17] Could someone remind me how to mask modules in the kernel init line? I can't seem to search for this [10:18] ChrisL71: I've seen issues with both recently; and from what I recall its to do with guest additions needing to be updated. BUT ... read the X server log files and others for clues [10:19] hi [10:19] hey [10:20] ChrisL71: modprobe.blacklist= [10:20] Thanks [10:21] `sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers` solved the issue, thanks [10:24] i have a wifi connection and vpn setup on ubuntu 18.04. i've used nm-connection-editor and set the vpn to automatically connect when using the wireless connection. the wireless connection is set to automatically connect, but when it does automatically connect, it tries to connect several times, but is unable to. the error message in the logs looks like this: [10:25] TJ-: is there a centos-like `needs-restarting -r` that would tell me if I need to reboot after an upgrade? [10:25] ... failed to request vpn secrets #3: No agents were available for this request [10:26] if i click on the wl conn in wifi settings, it connects with the vpn within five seconds [10:26] pax_rhos: yes there's an automatic trigger that reports on both console and GUI if restart is needed [10:26] pax_rhos: there's a file dropped into /run/ somewhere but cannot recall its name, it includes a list of the packages that requested the restart [10:28] TJ-: I might miss the trigger, as I mostly use CLI and there's sometimes tons of text, I'm guilty of not always reading it entirely, so I was hoping there'd be a similar command. [10:30] pax_rhos: ahh no, its /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs [10:30] TJ-: thanks! [10:30] pax_rhos: I think there's also a touched-ed file /var/run/reboot-required as a flag [10:36] Can anyone tell me how to force Ctrl+Alt+F? to work even if XOrg freezes? [10:45] !ping [10:45] :p [10:45] I keep getting tossed. [10:45] cfhowlett: did you ask the freenode guys? some other crew also had connect issues yesterday [10:46] ah, so it's not just me. [10:46] no, seen other reports and netsplit sundays [10:46] cfhowlett, I kept getting kicked with xchat, swithed to hexchat [10:47] coz_, you shouldn't even have xchat as it has been LONG abandoned but I hear you. https://hexchat.github.io/news/announcement.html [10:49] cfhowlett: it has been picked up again, but still hexchat is advisable [10:49] !xchat [10:49] xchat and xchat-gnome are old IRC clients which are not actively maintained outside of Ubuntu/Debian. Some versions of Ubuntu do not include them. Users of 14.04 onwards should strongly consider using hexchat instead, which has good upstream support and is widely recommended by the IRC community over xchat and xchat-gnome. [10:50] ^^^ [10:50] cfhowlett: if you got a message about vpn abuse probably you share a range with someone who ran a vpn exit. we don't have a perfect way of dealing with that [10:51] e: got more info about that range? [10:52] we have some more crew connecting over vpn [10:52] e Yeah the message referenced running a host and abusing VPN. Neither of which apply to me so I assume it was a freenode level issue. seems to have resovled itself as I am now allowed to enter again [10:54] HI. Yesterday I installed virtualbox via synaptic & now I see this >> http://i.imgur.com/158lMyv.png << for all folder permissions. Is this normal ?? [10:55] Okay I have got XLATE mode enabled on my freezing Xorg setup (VirtualBox VM), what can I do to troubleshoot now I have a terminal available? [10:55] furycd001: did you by accident change your users main group or so? [10:56] groups (as a command) should show that [10:58] No I just installed virtualbox & a windows 7 virtual machine. [10:58] groups shows >> vboxusers adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare [11:00] what should my users main group be & can I change my user back to it ?? [11:00] is there a way to turn apparmor to complain mode by default which i will manually configure individual profiles into enforce mode? [11:01] furycd001: your linux user ? [11:02] Yes I have one user which is "furycd001" I want to undo or revert back to whatever the default group for my user should be. [11:02] should be something like this 24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),111(bluetooth) [11:03] also adding groups=1000(furrycd001) [11:03] be advised that sudo group is here if you use sudo. [11:03] Groups for my user is currently showing as >> vboxusers adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare [11:04] Haven't dealt with this before until now.... [11:04] mhh [11:04] did you change the groups ? [11:05] No I just installed virtualbox with a windows 7 virtual machine yesterday. Now this is what I see for permissions of all folders in my home directory http://i.imgur.com/158lMyv.png [11:05] mhh [11:06] doesnt seems that bad ? [11:06] your home directory you should have furycd001 as a owner. [11:07] after the group itself you can have yourself (as a group) that is default [11:07] I just came here because I wasn't sure if this was a problem or not. I never really touch groups or anything like that. [11:07] or something else [11:07] doesnt look like it [11:07] Okay, it seems that input is what is broken on virtualbox, it is not responding to mouse or keyboard input but actually is still running [11:07] if you open a terminal and enter ID [11:07] id [11:07] what do you have listed as group ? [11:07] I opened firefox with DISPLAY on a tty [11:07] ChrisL71: what version ? [11:08] id >> uid=1000(furycd001) gid=128(vboxusers) groups=128(vboxusers),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),127(sambashare) [11:08] Of what? Ubuntu 18.04 updated, VirtualBox 6.0.8 [11:08] so furycd001 you are member of vboxusers group [11:08] so no problem :) [11:09] Thank you for clarifying :) [11:09] any insight ? [11:09] afidegnum: of ? [11:09] is there a way to turn apparmor to complain mode by default which i will manually configure individual profiles into enforce mode? [11:10] ChrisL71: Seen some incompatibility trough Virtualbox with 6.0.8, i am using 6.0.4 r1 at work for this reason [11:10] Okay, I will try that! Thanks a lot [11:11] afidegnum: When ? at a reboot ? [11:12] welll having apparmor set by default in complain mode instead of enforce mode [11:13] sudo aa-complain ? [11:13] sudo aa-complain [11:13] something like this [11:13] DevAntoine: there have to be .mount files there, under /run/systemd/generator/ [11:14] tachikomas: which bin is that? [11:14] 4 [11:14] the binary you want to put in complain mode [11:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor [11:19] tachikomas: then how do i recursively activate all profiles into complain mode? [11:20] Not sure how to do it, but i would aa-complain /usr/bin/* or something like this [11:20] not sure its a really good idea [11:20] tachikomas: Are you sure it was 6.0.4? I am seeing the same input problem here (exact version I am using is 6.0.4 r128413) [11:20] ChrisL71: running the exact same version [11:21] For around 3 month, 10 h a day :) [11:21] Did you change the graphics controller to VBoxVGA? [11:21] No i use vmsvga [11:21] had trouble with vboxvga [11:21] Okay, something else to try I guess [11:22] 3D accel option? [11:22] none [11:22] afidegnum: _all_ profiles? `aa-complain` [11:22] 128Mo of memory in the video [11:23] Hmmm I'm starting to think I shall have to connect over SSH+X for now, what a pain [11:33] Where can I find shiftfs patch for 4.19? [11:35] blackflow: yes === ayekat is now known as stressedoutcat [11:53] is there anyway to off apache2-stuff that gets triggered while installing certain packages, I have it masked & I am using nginx. Some packages need apache2 running before completing the install [11:53] this autostart thing is annoying [11:54] someone far off "decides" how users should use the system [11:56] wtf [12:00] aneon: which packages are those? [12:02] I believe there is a way to disable the automatic restart thing by setting some dpkg/apt policy, but it's hard to find any results on the web where they don't just suggest doing stupid things [12:11] nbox [12:12] hihi [12:12] why would apt say "E: Unable to locate package arm-none-eabi-gcc" [12:12] I enabled apache2, changed ports for the install to complete [12:13] Jan-: because it can't find that package in any package repository it knows about [12:13] Jan-: sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf gcc-arm-none-eabi [12:13] stressedoutcat: I will explore apt policy [12:14] I'm trying to solve the problem where I type "make -C opendps" and it says, among other things, "make: arm-none-eabi-gcc: Command not found" [12:14] aneon: I've been searching for a couple of minutes now, but I couldn't find anything remotely useful on that matter :-/ [12:14] so I guess I need to give it arm-none-eabi-gcc [12:14] somehow [12:14] aneon: good luck [12:14] right [12:14] Hello channel - how can I theme the lock screen? [12:14] blackflow: I don't have any /run/systemd/generator directory [12:14] I can change the gdm3 css file but only the loogin screen gets affected by this [12:14] not the lock screen [12:15] I'm trying to find a solution to this since yesterday :( [12:15] Jan-: the command or executable file may be named like that, but that doesn't mean the package has the same name [12:15] Jan-: apt search gcc-arm [12:15] Jan-: you can use `apt-file search {file}` to search for packages that provide that files [12:16] is there not some way I can just download the files from whoever created them and... unpack an archive, like you would on windows [12:16] * Jan- is a windows person [12:16] Jan-: you can, but that's super inconvenient, and pretty hacky [12:16] I've been trying to solve this for more than a working day's worth of time. [12:16] Define convenience. [12:17] Jan-: with a package manager, if you know you need tool XY, you tell the package manager to install tool XY, and voilà, it's installed - no need to search the web, download stuff from questionable sites, etc. [12:17] janco's command exited with "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [12:17] stressedoutcat: in my experience it's basically like it is here. You type apt-get install whatever and it just spits out a bunch of error messages and fails. [12:18] I don't think I've ever had apt work, not once, not ever. [12:18] Jan-: can you share the full error message on a pastebin [12:18] aneon: Not sure if this is still honoured by systemd, but in the Debian init invoke/update.rc.d there's a policy-rc.d trick you can do to prevent dpkg restarting services: "echo exit 101 > /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d; chmod +x /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d" [12:19] https://pastebin.com/NDFfw8RQ [12:19] TJ-: except that files under /usr are managed by the package manager, and will be overwritten the next time the corresponding package gest updated [12:19] Jan-: btw "X" command not found doesn't necessarily mean there will be a package called "X" that matches it. [12:19] stressedoutcat: I'm not referring to that [12:19] rory: I know. [12:19] Jan-: if you're just learning how to build software on linux, maybe you should not start with cross compiling but build some native software first of all. [12:19] But I don't have any other information. [12:19] Jan-: "(No space left on device)" [12:19] TJ-: I will have a look [12:19] Jan-: the error is failed to write (No space left on device) [12:20] tomreyn: the only reason I'm doing this is so I can compile some software for a little electronic widget [12:20] ~ Jan didn't tell he was on a live USB ~ [12:20] Howdy folks [12:20] I have no interest whatsoever in learning how to compile code under linux because it's a massive pain in the backside. [12:20] ~ which is apprently way to small to install all the packages ~ [12:20] I was told this would be easy. [12:20] aneon: stressedoutcat if you want to move files to another location that the package-manager respects, use "dpkg-divert" [12:21] is there any way to fix this [12:21] yes, use a larger usb drive [12:21] this thing is starting from an 8 gb usb stick which has heaps of space left [12:22] apprently you didn't format it like that [12:22] why not use a virtual machine on your windows? [12:22] The live environment comes with a graphical disk usage analyser [12:22] janco because I need it to have access to usb ports to run the stm32 programmer. [12:22] Jan-: I did that before, you simply have usb passthrough [12:22] and that works [12:22] you might be able to free up some space by uninstalling packages you don't need like the office suite etc [12:23] (I did it the other way arround tho, host linux and guest windows for the atmel programmer) [12:23] I know in theory it should but this is linux and a lot of stuff doesn't work according to the theory [12:23] TJ-: OK, I guess that solves the issues caused by manually meddling around in /usr... I still don't find that very clean, though [12:23] and delete packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ [12:23] it seemed like a better idea to avoid the risk [12:23] take some entropy out of this etc [12:23] Jan-: are you using the Live environment (Try Ubuntu) ? [12:23] Hi [12:23] TJ this is booting from a usb key yes, but I was told it would work. [12:23] stressedoutcat: dpkg-divert is *the* way to do it, it's why Debian added that tool [12:24] actually I was told that I'd just have to type a few "make" commands [12:24] you can do stuff in a live environment you just need to be careful with space and maybe manually delete some unused files [12:24] Jan-: it can most likely work. is it a good idea? i wouldn't say so. [12:24] but it's been a bit more complicated than that [12:24] cross-compiling software is inherently pretty fiddly [12:24] Jan-: if it is the Live (Try Ubuntu) environment, the OS is runinng from a file-system in RAM, it cannot/does not write to the device it booted from (which is read-only) [12:24] I know it is. [12:24] what are you doing overall? [12:24] But all the linux people said it would be easy. [12:25] it could be, if all the commands just work first time [12:25] Yeah but do they eber? [12:25] Is it possible to pass all environment variables through "start-stop-daemon"? Currently I get only some default env vars. [12:25] Jan-: those "linux people" probably didn't anticipate you trying to pull up a full-blown development environment in a limited-space live environment [12:25] as soon as your environment deviates from the person writing the blog post or whatever, you will run into issues [12:25] Jan-: therefore the amount of RAM the system has will control how large the in-RAM file-system can grow, it is usally limited to 1/2 the RAM size [12:25] and the nature of the issues is not something a newbie can necessarily fix by themselves [12:25] yeah rory I know [12:25] but linux people somehow never make that clear [12:25] it's always "linux is great, everything is perfect" [12:25] we're "linux people" [12:25] then it really isn't [12:26] Jan-: what is your usual OS? [12:26] windows [12:26] where things tend to work as advertised [12:26] I understand you're frustrated but we're not a blok or a customer support helpine. Saying stuff like this isn't going to make people try to "prove" linux is better by helping you [12:26] Jan-:how about installing Ubuntu into a virtual machine using something like VirtualBox hypervisor? [12:26] it's just going to annoy people [12:26]