[01:34] <wxl> @tsimonq2: how's bisecting the kernel panic coming along?
[01:36] <guiverc2> i'm not getting a response from lubuntu.me; this is known I assume
[01:37] <wxl> yeah
[01:39] <wxl> @kc2bez: your cala is finally uploaded
 \o/
 Thanks wxl
[01:42] <wxl> now hopefully the darn thing builds unlike lubuntu-default-settings ugh
 It built for me. It has been building in stable CI for a while too.
 I'll keep an eye on it though.
[01:44] <wxl> yeah well settings did for me too ugh
 :(
[01:44] <wxl> is settings in CI?
[01:44] <wxl> i wonder if it built there
 CI ?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: how's bisecting the kernel panic coming along?], I haven't been able to set my machine down for long enough to keep it going, but it's started
 Not sure if it didn't build.
[01:56] <wxl> cala looks to have built in everywhere that matters XD
 Nice! That adds the refactored language selection wxl
[02:02] <wxl> doesn't look like default settings is part of ci
 I haven't written native packages into the tooling yet
 Totally possible, you just have to manually configure the job
[02:06] <wxl> i wonder if i shouldn't just try to rebuild it
 Huh?
[02:06] <wxl> default settings
[02:07] <wxl> as i said, if i build it twice i have the problem. maybe if i build it twice on the infra it won't XD
 Stahp
 Hold on
 That implies Dirty Tricks are afoot
 Hmmmmmmm
 Hackery
 that's what she said.  *shot*
 i probably need to go to sleep :)
 @teward001 [i probably need to go to sleep :)], s/probably //
 You have to take the coffee IV out first.
[02:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/19.10.1
[02:15] <tsimonq2> Look at the diff...
[02:15] <tsimonq2> -_-
[02:16] <tsimonq2> I really hope you didn't commit and push that.
[02:16] <wxl> oh for christ's sake
[02:16] <tsimonq2> Protip: if it looks like it's related to translations, it's probably some evil daemon sacrificing your po files.
[02:16] <tsimonq2> Revert the po-related diff and you're golden.
[02:17] <wxl> where the hell did that come from?
[02:21] <tsimonq2> Again, some evil-spirited daemon which decided to mess with your shiznit.
[02:21] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:21] <wxl> i don't like that :/
[02:22] <wxl> ugh this crap is from 2018
[02:22] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Feoan/src/usr/share/xsessions/
[02:23] <wxl> how is it new? i'm totally baffled now
[02:23] <wxl> no translations from this year!!!!
[02:24] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Feoan/src/usr/share/xsessions/po/
[02:24] <wxl> wth is going on
[02:24] <tsimonq2> Weblate is down
[02:24] <tsimonq2> Something is removing those files
[02:24] <wxl> then how do you explain Lubuntu.desktop.in?
[02:24] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Feoan/Makefile$5
[02:25] <tsimonq2> When the package is built, that Makefile is ran.
[02:25] <tsimonq2> THAT explains it. :)
[02:25] <wxl> ok so what exactly do i do?
[02:26] <tsimonq2> Roll back to exactly the version in Git, and `debuild -S -d -sa`
[02:26] <tsimonq2> Don't build it first.
[02:26] <tsimonq2> That will at least restore the po files.
[02:27] <wxl> i'll try
[02:27] <wxl> ampther funny ?
[02:28] <wxl> i uploaded cala before landing. i assume order doesnt matter? XD
[02:28] <tsimonq2> ?
[02:28] <tsimonq2> Nope XD
[02:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGa43cb567adf0: Package for new upstream release.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGa43cb567adf0
[02:45] <wxl> tsimonq2: i don't think that's it unfortunately. it's giving me an out-of-date-standards-version warning that goes back to 2018
[02:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: ?
[02:45] <tsimonq2> Don't pay attention to that.
[02:45] <tsimonq2> That's a warning, ignore it.
[02:45] <wxl> ok
[02:45] <tsimonq2> yeah
[02:45]  * wxl bites fingernails off
[02:45] <tsimonq2> Anything else, dear? :)
[02:45] <wxl> and now i just upload this?
[02:46] <tsimonq2> yes
[02:47] <wxl> if that does the trick i'm good. just get that bisect done asap
[02:47] <wxl> ugh rejected
[02:48] <wxl> File lubuntu-default-settings_19.10.1.tar.xz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has   
[02:48] <wxl> +different contents.
[02:48] <tsimonq2> oh
[02:48] <tsimonq2> so
[02:48] <tsimonq2> New changelog entry.
[02:48] <wxl> no change rebuild?
[02:50] <tsimonq2> no
[02:50] <tsimonq2> You made changes
[02:50] <wxl> "adding back trnaslations?"
[02:50] <wxl> i have to make a new version number, eh?
[02:52] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[02:52] <tsimonq2> Versions are cheap.
[02:56] <wxl> phew made it
[02:57] <wxl> now i just need to know how to keep an eye on that before it happens
[03:02] <wxl> darn i should have put that override in there
[05:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcffbd57f75f2: Add featherpad find/replace screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcffbd57f75f2
[06:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcf42570acc22: Add how to leave fullscreen] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcf42570acc22
[06:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec9a1663ba7b: Fix menubar styling] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec9a1663ba7b
[06:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbbb24fcd4033: Add note about firefox in quicklaunch] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbbb24fcd4033
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[06:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6ccada01e1c5: Add another way to open a new tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6ccada01e1c5
 ??? where did does .po came from? I didn't change that.
 anyway, I recieved the .desktop in xdg I added to default-settings in todays update.
 wxl ^
 bye bye i396 … https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-June/000245.html
[16:03] <teward> took a while lol
[17:40] <wxl> OOOH I MISSED THIS i386 IS DEAD https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-June/000245.html
 Wxl are you in?
[18:48] <wxl> @HMollerCl am now
 the .desktop I included in default-settings update landed in my system
 wxl: and I don't get those .po files that appear
[18:56] <wxl> as they're translations i wouldn't necessarily expect it
 I didn't touch that.
[18:56] <wxl> i know
[18:57] <wxl> phab didn't change at all
[18:57] <wxl> but somehow the ubuntu archive did
[18:57] <wxl> it's very strange
[18:57] <wxl> point being: it's not your fault
 ok, thanks
 WHat about the seed?
 network-monitor-gnome needs to be in seed before we change the network-editor
[19:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i landed a seed change..  what does it take to make that active?
[19:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Which change in particular?
[19:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDaf3d2c7f3ea1c1375b29ec81e806fb3bf6596170
[19:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Update lubuntu-meta maybe?
 @kc2bez: I guess it's not a kernel issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829805/comments/10
[19:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL52b2bb60aa70: Add bookmarks toolbar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL52b2bb60aa70
 @tsimonq2 [@kc2bez: I guess it's not a kernel issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sou …], Thanks for the update. I will give it a look later.
[19:19] <TJ-> Dropped in to help with bug #1829805 
[19:20] <wxl> thanks TJ- !
[19:21] <TJ-> was chatting to tsimonq2 in #ubuntu-kernel but it looks like an initramfs issue
[19:33] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is updating meta just a matter of running that update script and committing?
[19:37] <wxl> @teward001 do you know where "white_listed_spam_host_domains" is defined on discourse? we need to add github and launchpad
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: is updating meta just a matter of running that update script an …], Clone it, run the update script, spot check the changelog, dch -r, upload
[19:38] <TJ-> tsimonq2: are these failures using BIOS or UEFI boot mode, do you know?
 @TJ- [<TJ-> tsimonq2: are these failures using BIOS or UEFI boot mode, do you know?], Yes
 (both)
[19:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl: if you follow tsimonq2's instructions above about updating meta, that will get your seed fix completed. we should probably add something to the seed readme to suggest people do this concurrently https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-meta/
[19:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa9a2aed57ecb: Add firefox show downloads window] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa9a2aed57ecb
[19:42] <TJ-> great! needs 8GB to install
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl: if you follow tsimonq2's instructions above about updating met …], ok, wil do when I'm note behind a proxy that kills ssh
[19:47] <TJ-> tsimonq2: do you know if this is an encrypted or unencrypted install?
[19:48] <wxl> TJ-: either
[19:48] <wxl> (both)
[19:48] <TJ-> thanks
[19:49] <TJ-> Glad I managed to offload some the space-hugging directories on this system into an external SD-card! Only has 128G of eMMC. Added 256G SD-card and using systemd automounts to mount-on-demand LVs per directory
[19:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5aab7d9b4c6b: Add keyboard shortcut to reload tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5aab7d9b4c6b
 wxl: trojita crash sometimes when sorting with "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
 I believe that is a known bug or not?
[19:54] <wxl> yes
[20:02] <wxl> did you check the hashes of your iso?
[20:02] <wxl> iios
[20:02] <wxl> 'oops
[20:04] <TJ-> tsimonq2: from a serial console on the installed eaon:
[20:04] <TJ-> [    1.571366] VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6
[20:04] <TJ-> [    1.574123] Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
 wat?
[20:06] <TJ-> tsimonq2: is lubuntu using initramfs-tools? because break=top fails to stop it; not switched to dracut has it?
 Still initramfs-tools, yeah
 Apologies if I start to become distant for the rest of the night. I'm taking summer classes at college :)
[20:09] <TJ-> tsimonq2: that's OK; I'll drop into the installed image from a loopdev now and see what it is up to
[20:09] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll add comments/findings to the bug report
 Thanks
[20:12] <TJ-> tsimonq2: solved. The installer failed to build an initrd.img
[20:12] <TJ-> tsimonq2: there are symlinks but no actual initrd.img=$VERSION files in /boot/ (or anywhere else in the file-system)
 huh.
[20:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll diagnose the installer now; report back on what I find
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Goodbye forever, i386 … Packages will no longer be built for i386 in Ubuntu. See our Discourse post for more information: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/goodbye-forever-i386/108 … The original announcement about dropping i386 this past December, as nobody stepped up to help test: https://lubuntu.me
 @TJ- [<TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll diagnose the installer now; report back on what I find], Much appreciated
[20:40] <TJ-> tsimonq2: solved; updating bug report
 You are amazing :)
 Thank you!
[20:46] <TJ-> tsimonq2: report added to bug 
 Thanks!
 TJ-: Out of curiosity, is that a guess or a tested solution?
 It looks right, just want to make sure it's 100% it
[20:52] <TJ-> tsimonq2: not tested; but logically it all matches. I have no idea how to even go about working with calameres!
 ok :)
 Let's try it, heh.
[20:52] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I could check on those dpkg-divert's and wrap them to prove it if you want
[20:53]  * TJ- is confident due to the README calling out Debian installs specifically
 Sure. For reference TJ-, you can test that change by editing `/etc/calamares/settings.conf` and (re)starting Calamares
[20:53] <TJ-> tsimonq2: OK, I'll do that
 Thanks!
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL08fe346cf54e: Add open in new private window] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL08fe346cf54e
 wxl @kc2bez: Please review: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Move the initramfs module down past the bootloader.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14
 I don't quite have the bandwidth at the moment to test and upload.
[21:11] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I cannot see your change which I assume is to address this calamares issue, but I'm pretty certain it won't be sufficient based on my investigation so far. I'm just about to test a fix that should work, though
 ok
 Now you can see it :)
[21:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: no, that won't solve it. Reason: currently "packages" removes the live-* packages (and others, more of that later) so 'packages' needs to be before the initramfs modules BUT 'packages' includes removal of calameres itself, which removes the /etc/calamares/ directory which causes it to fail because the initramfs module/conf is then missing.
[21:25] <TJ-> tsimonq2: !! so !! what I'm testing is creating a new id "remove_calamares" with "module: packages" "config: remove_calamares", reordering the initramfs* after "packages" and then adding "remove_calamares" after those. Then, I've removed calamares* from modules/packages.conf and put it alone in modules/remove_calamares.conf 
 Nice work!
 Do you have an account on Phabricator to be able to propose your changes after they're done?
 phab.lubuntu.me
[21:26] <TJ-> tsimonq2: unfortunately I don't think I've quite got the hang of calamares because on re-running the installed it complains it cannot find remove_calamares - i thought that was due to there not being a module of that name but the "id: remove_calamares" ought to work
[21:26] <TJ-> tsimonq2: no I don't
 Can I get a pastebin of the current settings.conf you have?
[21:28] <TJ-> tsimonq2: I'll try to get a diff; I'm working in a serial console of the VM to do this
 Thanks!
[21:36] <TJ-> s
[22:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL305a7f6f7061: Add quassel prefrences interface screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL305a7f6f7061
 Approved, TJ-
[22:03] <TJ-> tsimonq2: huh?
 You created an account on Phabricator
 I had to approve it
 Which is done :)
[22:03] <TJ-> teward: oh!! thought you were on about a phantom patch!
[22:03] <TJ-> oops, tab complete
[22:03] <TJ-> tsimonq2: ^^
 haha :)
 We like throwing things at teward anyway XD
[22:04] <TJ-> took me a while to get the hang of calamares module@instance syntax
 ahh :)
[22:05] <TJ-> now I have to sit patiently and await the email; my mail server imposes a 5 minute greylisting so hope the lubuntu server resends quickly
 @teward001 ^
 He also set up our mail server for that :P
[22:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL10f23709f089: Add /me to Quassel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL10f23709f089
[22:10] <TJ-> tsimonq2: darn, the moving order still doesn't seem to have done the job even though /target/var/log/installer/debug shows the jobs ran in the correct order, I need to dig more
 ack
[22:16] <TJ-> tsimonq2: OK, I've found the problem. From that README warning I presume one of the live-* packages does a dpkg-divert of /ust/sbin/update-initramfs ... those packages get purged, but they've left being the diversion and do the file actually is a shell script that does nothing
[22:16] <TJ-> echo "update-initramfs is disabled since running on read-only media"
[22:19] <TJ-> tsimonq2: OK... so there are no live-* packages installed, so that diversion is coming from somewhere else
 That's always confused me, because you're exactly right
[22:23] <TJ-> tsimonq2: ahhh... it's coming from the squashfs itself, since it is copied across!
[22:24] <TJ-> tsimonq2: so all we need is a one-liner shell callout to remove the diversion before calling the initramfs job
 Ahhh :)
[22:39] <TJ-> Testing again now
[23:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2417ec2a731b: Add Quassel chat view colors screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2417ec2a731b
[23:11] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm confused. is your fix legit or not? i take it from the above the answer is no
 Scrolling through I think you are right wxl
[23:13] <TJ-> wxl: for update-initramfs? no it isn't
[23:13] <TJ-> wxl: I'm about done with a correct fix but been making some silly mistakes working inside the live env due to tiredness
[23:13] <wxl> TJ-: so i'll go ahead and reject https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14 then :)
[23:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Move the initramfs module down past the bootloader.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14
[23:14] <TJ-> wxl: Yes
[23:14] <wxl> i'm going to have to play with the serial console on the vm. that's a cool idea i've never bothered with.
 Same here. Thanks for your help btw TJ
[23:15] <TJ-> wxl: at boot time, hit the syslinux F6 to edit the boot command, hit Esc to dismiss the sub-menu and edit the command line directly. Towards the end you need to add options either side of the "---"  so it looks like: "console=ttyS0 console=tty0 --- console=ttyS0 console=tty0" then hit Enter to boot
[23:16] <wxl> nice!
[23:16] <TJ-> wxl: the reason for repeating either side of "---" is: those before it are used for the live boot, those after are added to the *installed* system's kernel via GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub
[23:17] <wxl> learning something new.. alright!
[23:17] <TJ-> console=ttyS0 comes first because that is the one the kernel will expect input from; tty0 will be read-only
[23:18] <TJ-> if you're using libvirt/virt-manager GUI, the View > Text Consoles menu will take you to the serial consoles. You may need to tap a key to wake the guest up to draw a login: prompt there
[23:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2a58366bd5f1: Update qpdfview graphics screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2a58366bd5f1
[23:21] <TJ-> you don't really need it for this though; from the live just do "apt install openssh-server" and then connect via SSH from host to guest
[23:23] <TJ-> serial console is handy for working in the initramfs (when it works!) and being able to copy/paste text
[23:27] <TJ-> grr, no wonder I couldn't find the emails... procmail filter on .*ubuntu was moving lubuntu@ to a folder I wasn't checking!
[23:28] <wxl> oops
[23:37] <TJ-> wow, looks like I've been totally wrong! It isn't a fake update-initramfs at all, it is perfectly fine, but it isn't finding any installed kernels!
[23:37] <TJ-> that was not what I was expecting
[23:37] <TJ-> if so, it looks like a problem in initramfs-tools itself
[23:44] <wxl> this is such a bizarre situation. it just sort of cropped up out of nowhere. no changes to calamares or settings or anything. it certainly, to me suggests some sort of core issue
[23:54] <wxl> oh my things are getting heated on the ubuntu discourse re: 32-bit
 the main one?
[23:55] <wxl> yep
[23:55] <kc2bez> The Internet has exploded.