[05:42] <jose__> HOLA
[14:26] <Riot_Mint> motd
[14:49] <maxi_> hi
[19:12] <sbabozz> ok so i'm creating a shared folder with permissive permissions in /
[19:13] <sbabozz> Im just confused about who i should make the owner of that folder
[19:13] <sbabozz> Does it matter?
[19:13] <sbabozz> I was thinkingof root (like all the others in /)  but I dont like the idea of setting a precedent where other users can get into root's stuff..
[19:17] <sbabozz> Also (other question) I would like to know why Snap installs don't work (they get installed, but apps don't launch)
[19:19] <wxl> @teward: do acl's care about ownership?
[19:19] <wxl> re: snaps, they work fine. might be a specific snap.
[19:20] <sbabozz> hi :)
[19:20] <sbabozz> (again)
[19:20] <sbabozz> are you the official coordinator of this channel?
[19:20] <wxl> no
[19:21] <wxl> well
[19:21] <wxl> maybe
[19:22] <Bruh> hello
[19:23] <sbabozz> can you kick people out?
[19:24] <sbabozz> (i guess that's the power of the coordinator)
[19:24] <Guest95822> hi
[19:25] <wxl> never had to do it
[19:26] <Guest95822> uhh
[19:26] <sbabozz> do you think it matters who is the owner of the folder?
[19:26] <sbabozz> also what was that /tmp method you talked about yesterday
[19:27] <wxl> no idea
[19:27] <sbabozz> which question?
[19:27] <Guest95822> can you uhhhh help?
[19:27] <sbabozz> Guest95822: just shoot your question
[19:28] <Guest95822> aight
[19:28] <Guest95822> I'm downloading lubuntu and I'm stuck at partitions
[19:28] <Guest95822> the partitions are correct but I'm not allowed to hit next
[19:28] <Guest95822> help
[19:30] <sbabozz> Guest95822: are you downloading or installing?
[19:30] <Guest95822> I have lubuntu on a flash drive and I'm installing it onto my computers drive
[19:30] <Guest95822> install
[19:31] <sbabozz> That's strange... I never had problems with the installation... I would quit that installation and restart a new one...
[19:32] <Guest95822> alright
[19:32] <Guest95822> brb I guess
[19:32] <sbabozz> Also check that your install media is 100% good
 do you have a swap partition in the drive you want to install?
[19:37] <sbabozz> wxl: you said something like the easiest way (for quick transfers of files between local users) might have been with /tmp
[19:39] <wxl> sbabozz: /tmp is a "temporary" storage open to all
[19:40] <wxl> emphasis on temporary
 it goes away on reboot
[19:40] <sbabozz> so say if guest puts something there, then guest logs out, then another user logs in, he will find that file in /tmp?
[19:41] <sbabozz> (without rebooting machine)
[19:42] <ahhhhh> back
[19:43] <ahhhhh> next is still greyed out
[19:43] <wxl> sbabozz: https://serverfault.com/questions/455219/how-long-do-uploaded-files-stay-in-the-tmp-folder-in-linux-ubuntu
[19:43] <wxl> ahhhhh: did you check the hashes of the iso and the disk for defects at boot?
[19:44] <ahhhhh> how do I do that?
[19:44] <wxl> you follow the manual :)
[19:44] <wxl> manual.lubuntu.me
[19:45] <ahhhhh> jeeeez
 wxl: maybe is the thing with swap partitions
[19:45] <teward> wxl: in what context
[19:45] <teward> sorry i was in a meeting
[19:45] <teward> wxl: ACLs are more 'extended permissions' and can *override* standard chmod effectiveness
[19:46] <wxl> sbabozz: ^ i.e. the owner of your shared folder won't matter
[19:46] <teward> so if I have a default owner of root, but an ACL for u::rwx the *effective* ACL for any user is read/write/execute-traverse
[19:46] <teward> but it can get janky sometimes with LOTS of rules
[19:46] <sbabozz> can the owner be a non-existing user?
[19:47] <sbabozz> i mean is this possible?
[19:47] <teward> no
[19:47] <teward> owner has to exist
[19:47] <teward> even if owner is root
[19:47] <teward> which is fine
[19:48] <wxl> owner could be nobody?
[19:48] <sbabozz> ahhhhh: when you start install media there is an option like "Check for defects"
[19:48] <wxl> ^ that's part 2/2
[19:50] <teward> wxl: that too
[19:50] <sbabozz> teward: so is this wrong thinking-> I dont like the idea of setting a precedent where other users can get into root's stuff
[19:50] <teward> sbabozz: so set it to nobody:nogroup
[19:50] <teward> then provide per group / per user ACLs independently
[19:50] <teward> but note that ACLs can be *very* tricky sometimes and can break things if you aren't careful
[19:53] <sbabozz> what i do is just create a folder in / (using pcmanfm-root) then set the owner to "nobody" and allow all permissions to access, read and modify... CORRECT?
[19:55] <sbabozz> (I do sudo pcmanfm)
[19:59] <sbabozz> If i remember correctly the guest user has a very limited disk space. How to change it? (the default disk space given to guest)
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> helo
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> how do
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> I got past the partition part
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> but there is another error
[20:02] <wxl> did you check the hashes of your iso?
[20:02] <ahhhhhhhh> I checked the disc is the hashes thing in the manual as well?
[20:02] <wxl> yep
[20:02] <ahhhhhhhh> brbrbr
[20:02] <ahhhhhhhh> which chapter
[20:03] <sbabozz> md5sum
[20:03] <sbabozz> in the terminal you write md5sum [name of file]
[20:04] <sbabozz> then that string has to match perfectly the official md5sum
[20:05] <sbabozz> in the terminal you first need to go to the folder where the iso file is
[20:05] <sbabozz> and then you write md5sum [name of file] and then press enter
[20:05] <sbabozz> this will give you the md5sum string of the downloaded file
[20:06] <sbabozz> if it matches the official, then you're good
[20:07] <sbabozz> wxl: am i giving good support? :)
[20:08] <wxl> sbabozz: looks good to me.
[20:08] <sbabozz> ahhhhhhhh: are you still here?
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> yes
[20:08] <sbabozz> did you understand?
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> I didn't even know you were talkin to me
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> so do mdmsum
[20:08] <sbabozz> md5sum
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> how do I find the official?
[20:09] <sbabozz> sounds complicated, but it's actually very easy
[20:09] <ahhhhhhhh> I used linuxpendrive to make my usb bootable so I don't really have the iso anymore
[20:10] <sbabozz> https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/MD5Sum/Hash
[20:10] <ahhhhhhhh> is there a way I can do the mdmdm6msum
[20:10] <ahhhhhhhh> on windows?
[20:10] <ahhhhhhhh> I have the iso on there
[20:10] <wxl> sbabozz: you might want to provide the standard ubuntu.com links rather than the language specific ones
[20:10] <wxl> ahhhhhhhh: there are programs to do it but i can't recommend a particular one
[20:13] <ahhhhhhhh> File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/unpackfs/main.py", line 340, in run     return unpackop.run()    File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/unpackfs/main.py", line 224, in run     error_msg = self.unpack_image(entry, imgmountdir)    File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/unpackfs/main.py", line 270, in unpack_image     return file_copy(imgmountdir, entry.destination, progress_cb)    File "/usr/
[20:13] <ahhhhhhhh> those are the errors
[20:14] <wxl> there should be a log in home somewhere. could you pastebin that?
[20:14] <ahhhhhhhh> waht
[20:16] <wxl> pastebinit $HOME/.cache/Calamares/session.log
[20:16] <wxl> give me the result
[20:17] <ahhhhhhhh> pastebinit $HOME/.cache/Calamares/session.log
[20:17] <ahhhhhhhh> oops
[20:18] <ahhhhhhhh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TfjZMKfKMS/
[20:19] <wxl> wow that is a mess of partitions
[20:20] <ahhhhhhhh> yeah It worked maybe I guess but not
[20:22] <wxl> what are you trying to accomplish here?
[20:24] <ahhhhhhhh> Uh I really don't know
[20:24] <sbabozz> sorry for the language, but the italian page is better (you can see all the md5sums in one page)
[20:24] <wxl> you appear to have two drives?
[20:24] <ahhhhhhhh> uhhhh
[20:24] <ahhhhhhhh> no
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> I see waht I did and I'm tryna fix it bro
[20:25] <wxl> 2019-06-18 - 19:50:53 [6]: "/dev/mmcblk0" 31264289280 "MMC BJNB4R" "MMC BJNB4R – 29.12 GiB (/dev/mmcblk0)"
[20:25] <wxl> 2019-06-18 - 19:50:53 [6]: "/dev/sda" 15998169600 "Lexar USB Flash Drive" "Lexar USB Flash Drive – 14.90 GiB (/dev/sda)"
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> flash drive
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> yup
[20:25] <wxl> you're trying to install to the ~30g hard drive?
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> yes
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Goodbye forever, i386 … Packages will no longer be built for i386 in Ubuntu. See our Discourse post for more information: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/goodbye-forever-i386/108 … The original announcement about dropping i386 this past December, as nobody stepped up to help test: https://lubuntu.me
[20:26] <ahhhhhhhh> he installer failed to resize partition /dev/mmcblk0p2 on disk 'MMC BJNB4R'. [20:26] <ahhhhhhhh> different erroror
[20:26] <sbabozz> teward: do you confirm this -> what i do is just create a folder in / (using pcmanfm-root) then set the owner to "nobody" and allow all permissions to access, read and modify... CORRECT?
[20:27] <sbabozz> Just want to be sure that I will not break my system right... :)
[20:27] <wxl> yep
[20:27] <wxl> because it's mounted
[20:27] <wxl> 2019-06-18 - 15:50:55 [6]: .. contains mounted "/dev/mmcblk0p2"
[20:28] <ahhhhhhhh> it might be working
[20:28] <wxl> you should make sure everything's unmounted
[20:28] <ahhhhhhhh> the partitions were very messed up because I don't know how to do that
[20:29] <wxl> why don't you just erase the entire disk?
[20:30] <wxl> bbl
[20:30] <teward> sbabozz: in theory, yes.
[20:30] <teward> in practice i'd use ACLs to also control defaults on created files
[20:30] <sbabozz> in theory?
[20:30] <teward> but start with your part first
[20:30] <teward> and stop pinging me i'm busy at work :p
[20:30] <sbabozz> you mean i could break my system?
[20:31] <teward> sbabozz: no
[20:31] <teward> break your system, no
[20:31] <teward> make it so if i create a file someone else can't edit it, yes.
[20:31] <sbabozz> sorry
[20:31] <teward> create a file in that directory space*
[20:31] <ahhhhhhhh> hey wxl should I use swap since I only have 4gb of ram?
[20:32] <teward> sbabozz: not your fault, i'm just very busy right now i think i broke email at work xD
[20:32] <teward> so i have to fix it
[20:33] <sbabozz> ok, thanks
[20:34] <sbabozz> good luck
[20:35] <sbabozz> wxl: how do i change the default disk space given to guest user?
[20:36] <sbabozz> I don't understand why they made it so little...
[20:38] <sbabozz> With almost 300 GB free, guest doesn't even have 500MB
[20:38] <sbabozz> We gotta be nice to our guests... :)
[20:38] <teward> and i did break mail
[20:38]  * teward fixed it
[20:39] <sbabozz> fixed it?
[20:39] <teward> sbabozz: the 'guest account' is ephemeral.  It doesn't 'store' data outside a tmpfs typically
[20:39] <teward> so if you give it space it won't matter every time its logged off it'll blast the data away
[20:39] <sbabozz> Yes but say the guest user wants to download a movie and watch it, he can't do it with so little space...
[20:40] <teward> guest user should be streaming the movie not downloading then watching
[20:40] <sbabozz> you need good connection to stream
[20:40] <teward> need good connection to download too :p
[20:40] <teward> which means if the connection is bad it's a 'moot point'
[20:40] <sbabozz> yes but that won't be a problem when you watch it
[20:40] <teward> and yes i fixed workplace email
[20:40] <teward> it was my fault
[20:41] <sbabozz> good, so you can help me :)
[20:42] <teward> not when it comes to the guest account
[20:42] <sbabozz> I mean when the connection is bad, downloading will be slow, but after you'll be able to watch the movie alright...
[20:42] <sbabozz> streaming won't work
[20:42] <sbabozz> well
[20:42] <teward> well I can't help you with the guest account part anyways
[20:42] <teward> not becuase i don't agree
[20:42] <teward> but because I don't know enough about that aspect
[20:42] <teward> since it's pretty hardly jailed
[20:42] <teward> @tsimonq2 might be able to help
[20:42] <teward> :p
[20:43] <sbabozz> you know more than me, so i grant you permission to help me anyways :)
[20:44] <sbabozz> I won't hold you responsible...
[20:44] <sbabozz> unless you break my system of course... :)
[20:45] <sbabozz> It's crazy with 300 GB free, to not even give guest 500MB, don't you think?
[20:46] <sbabozz> Whoever made that decision, owes a serious explanation...
 Which version of Lubuntu?
 Guest support is absolutely 100% on my radar, fwiw.
[20:48] <sbabozz> 18.04
[20:48] <sbabozz> fwiw?
[20:49] <sbabozz> For What It's Worth?
[20:49] <sbabozz> it's worth for me...
[20:50] <sbabozz> I want to change disk space for guest to 3GB
[20:50] <sbabozz> at least 1% of free disk space...
[20:52] <sbabozz> lubot: you don't look like a bot
[20:53] <sbabozz> tsimonq2: are you here?
[20:55] <sbabozz> I found this
[20:55] <sbabozz> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1006781/how-to-increase-allowed-disk-space-for-guest-account
[20:56] <sbabozz> but no solution...
[20:59] <sbabozz> I gotta close soon... But will check the channel logs later if anybody wants to answer...
[21:00] <sbabozz> Thanks to all
[21:00] <sbabozz> :)