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didrocksgood morning05:27
dufluMorning didrocks05:31
didrockshey duflu05:38
dufludidrocks, do you use Nvidia by any chance?05:47
dufluI need to check what other /devices other Nvidia machines have05:48
jibelhi all05:49
jibelduflu, I do what do you need?05:49
duflujibel, can you please tell me the driver version, what /dev/nv* you have and what kernel command line you use? :)05:50
dufluAlso good morning05:50
jibel$ ls /dev/nv*05:51
jibel/dev/nvidia0  /dev/nvidiactl  /dev/nvidia-modeset  /dev/nvidia-uvm  /dev/nvidia-uvm-tools  /dev/nvme0  /dev/nvme0n1  /dev/nvme0n1p1  /dev/nvme0n1p205:51
jibelyou can ignore nvme*05:52
jibel$ cat /proc/cmdline05:52
jibelBOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-16-generic root=UUID=fb5bb713-8b3f-4979-ab03-db3bb9c5ec45 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=105:52
jibelduflu, ^05:52
duflujibel, thanks. That's what I thought. Unfortunately a couple of the devices don't appear till late :/05:53
didrocksduflu: I have an intel/nvidia card, indeed05:54
didrocks/dev/nvidia0  /dev/nvidiactl  /dev/nvidia-modeset  /dev/nvidia-uvm  /dev/nvidia-uvm-tools05:55
didrocksBOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-16-generic root=UUID=699713f7-86ae-4f11-a032-be77e24bd4e1 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=105:55
dufluThanks. Unfortunately the dev list is different during boot05:55
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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:01
dufluHi oSoMoN07:01
oSoMoNhi duflu07:01
Wimpresso/07:01
oSoMoNhey Wimpress07:01
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didrockshey oSoMoN07:13
didrocksmorning Wimpress07:13
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:14
dufluHi Wimpress07:15
duflu     \⚇07:17
marcustomlinsonmorning WimoSoflubelrocks07:17
oSoMoNmorning marcustomlinson07:18
dufluErm, hi marcustomlinson07:18
marcustomlinson:)07:18
willcookemoin07:59
Laneymoin08:02
dufluMorning willcooke and Laney08:03
didrockshey willcooke, Laney08:04
seb128hey willcooke Laney, how is u.k today?08:07
seb128Laney, had a nice long w.e?08:07
seb128hey again other desktopers :)08:07
oSoMoNhey seb12808:07
oSoMoNmorning willcooke, Laney08:07
didrockshey seb12808:09
seb128lut oSoMoN didrocks, en forme ?08:09
didrocksça va, et toi ?08:09
Laneyhey duflu didrocks seb128 oSoMoN08:09
willcookeseb128, the sun is out, but thunderstorms forecast08:09
seb128ça va !08:09
marcustomlinsonmorning willaney12808:10
oSoMoNseb128, ça va, et toi?08:10
Laneyweekend was very good yes!08:10
seb128nice08:10
Laneylots of being a pirate08:10
seb128oSoMoN, ça va bien :)08:10
seb128Laney, did you drink rhum on a boat and found treasures? ;)08:11
Laneyyep, we plundered the spanish fleet08:13
willcooke:DD08:13
Laneyhey marcustomlinson08:13
Laneybasically it was about 20 pubs with different groups in them08:14
Laneyand lots and LOTS of buskers, including us08:14
oSoMoNsounds fun!08:19
seb128indeed :)08:21
lisgood morning everyone :)08:22
seb128didrocks, I don't remember the details, but the preference with go is to bundle depends rather than using a proper depends system? those vendors dir with the world dumped in it makes reviewing tedious :-/08:22
didrocksseb128: yes, that's the preferred way, vendorized everything (as not all deps are in main)08:22
seb128hey lis! 2 consecutive days of activity on the desktop channel :)08:22
didrockshey lis08:23
lisseb128: i miss you guys :)08:23
seb128didrocks, well that component isn't going in main is it? (since it's only test it can be in universe right?)08:23
seb128lis, :-)08:23
lisalso, i'm writing glib stuff now, so i'm feeling a bit desktopy :)08:23
didrocksseb128: this one won't as it's only autopkgtests, however, we don't have all deps packaged separately08:23
RAOF😀08:24
lisRAOF: hey :)08:24
seb128didrocks, ok, I see, I keep reviewing then :-/ thx08:24
RAOFHey lis !08:24
seb128hey RAOF08:24
RAOFHey seb128 !08:24
RAOFHey didrocks, Laney, duflu and everyone!08:25
dufluHi RAOF. After-dinnering again?08:25
RAOFYah. It's a big night of meetings for me! 9pm Mir, 5:30am SRU. It'll be rad!08:27
didrockshey RAOF ;)08:28
seb128didrocks, NEWed, sorry for the delay in the review (I did finally start yesterday but the vendor thing make it took even longer at the end :-/)08:38
didrocksseb128: thx! I'll let you binary NEWing as well if you want to double check?08:38
seb128k08:38
oSoMoNkenvandine, I believe you're familiar with what it takes to have a snap preseeded on images? ubuntu kylin needs chromium, and vorlon mentioned I needed to open and close a stable/ubuntu-19.10 channel for the snap, is that all that's needed?13:06
oSoMoN(that's bug #1832656)13:06
ubot5bug 1832656 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Eoan) "chromium-browser deb->snap transition breaks ubuntukylin image builds" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183265613:06
kenvandineOpen and close the channel plus add it to the seed13:07
kenvandineLooks like they seeded it already13:08
kenvandineSo just need the channel13:08
oSoMoNkenvandine, a bit of a n00b question: do I need to release for all 4 supported architectures in that new channel, or just one?13:11
kenvandineYes13:11
kenvandineAll 413:11
oSoMoNok13:11
oSoMoNkenvandine, done, I release the 4 stable revisions to that channel and closed it afterwards, now I can't see it list anywhere, I suppose that's expected?13:21
seb128oSoMoN, I hadn't paid attention to the chromium snap transition post on discourse, quite some feedback there, thanks for keeping up with user comments!13:21
seb128kenvandine, tkamppeter, one week later, what's the status of fixing the n-m autopkgtests?13:21
oSoMoNseb128, I haven't fully caught up yet, that's the bad thing with long week-ends away from the computer13:21
seb128haha13:22
seb128there isn't much you didn't address from what I can see13:22
seb128mostly haters liking to rant about world changing13:22
oSoMoNseb128, I think that for this transition to be really successful we need to pay close attention to user feedback and fix whatever problems they find as early as possible13:23
seb128right13:23
oSoMoNyeah, the inevitable rants of people afraid of change13:23
oSoMoNbut even those need to be addressed politely13:24
oSoMoNthere are valid concerns13:24
seb128indeed13:27
kenvandineoSoMoN: yup13:28
seb128oh, it's meeting time!13:30
seb128sorry, was caught up in a discussion13:31
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-1813:31
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seb128Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)13:31
marcustomlinson\o13:31
Laneyhi13:32
oSoMoNo/13:32
seb128k, we have some people around so let's get started :)13:32
kenvandine\o13:32
seb128#topic rls-bb-bugs13:32
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:33
seb128desktop free13:33
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:33
Trevinhohey13:33
seb128still the same japense era things there, that needs to be sorted out but hasn't been yet, sorry about that13:34
seb128otherwise the other items I've sorted out after lunch but the report didn't refresh yet13:34
seb128so we can ignore them13:34
seb128#topic rls-cc-bugs13:34
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:34
seb128desktop free13:34
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:35
seb128same era bug and that's it13:35
seb128(I also wontfixed some lines, mostly the gnome-software ones from Robert, I don't think we are going to see another cosmic SRU for it)13:35
seb128kenvandine, ^ fyi, would be nice to remind Robert to not let his assigned bugs go stalled13:36
seb128#topic rls-dd-bugs13:36
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:36
seb128desktop free too13:36
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:37
seb128same era bug13:37
seb128#topic rls-ee-bugs13:37
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tselioto/13:37
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:37
seb128desktop free13:37
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:37
seb128that's in shape13:37
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:37
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seb128https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:37
seb128Laney, it's yours :)13:38
Laneythx13:38
Laneyprobably going to need to MIR lmdb, I will handle that one13:38
seb128thx Laney13:38
Laneyotherwise just the NM thing13:38
Laney...13:38
seb128kenvandine said that Till starting poking at it now, he hadn't understood that he was owning it until the discussion at the previous meeting apparently13:39
seb128so hopefully that does get sorted out this week now13:39
kenvandinetkamppeter: ^^13:39
seb128thx Laney!13:39
seb128#topic AOB13:39
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seb128other topics?13:39
tkamppeterYes, I have alreasy reproduced it and now I was looking through the nm.py code to find out what it is doing.13:40
seb128thx tkamppeter, let us know how it goes and it you need help13:41
seb12830 seconds for other topics13:41
Laneythe 1.10.14 update, would be good to have a status report on that next week maybe?13:41
seb128indeed, I think we mostly dropped the ball again on that :-/13:42
seb128tkamppeter, kenvandine, ^ can we get that?13:42
TrevinhoShell updates/SRU, some fixes landed upstream some not, maybe would be also the case to include what we have as distro-patch and try with those?13:42
Laneypropose merges13:42
Laneyplease13:42
Trevinhoto salsa/ubuntu you mean..13:42
seb128that doesn't seem a team/meeting topic13:43
seb128we can discuss it after wrapping though13:43
Laneyas appropriate13:43
tkamppeterseb128, Laney, I have got some answers on bug 1829566, they could be helful to find out bthe cause.13:43
ubot5bug 1829566 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "network-manager 1.10.14-0ubuntu2 ignores systemd-resolved configured dns" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182956613:43
Laneythx13:43
seb128but yeah, mps and reviews sound like the way to go13:43
kenvandinetkamppeter:  we really need that too, but unblock the migration first13:43
tkamppeterOK.13:44
Laneyok another topic13:44
seb128ok, let's wrap the topics don't really need to be meeting ones we can continue chatting here13:44
seb128ok13:44
seb128:)13:44
Laneyare we supposed to reply to the rls bugs email or not?13:44
Laneylike the point of it was to keep things moving13:44
seb128good comment13:45
seb128willcooke is not around now though, I think we better discuss it with him or maybe via email13:45
Laneyk13:46
seb128but yeah, I don't feel like we have an handle on stalled items atm13:46
seb128those being rls bugs or trello cards or stalled SRUs13:46
seb128part my/Will's fault for not having done those tooling/report improvements yet13:46
Laneythe formatting that the script generates could be tweaked to be in markdown so that it can be c+p to discourse13:46
Laneyeven if the cool auto posting isn't done13:46
seb128right13:47
Laneyk end of point13:47
seb128let's start a review of the process/situation and discuss what to do13:47
seb128maybe discourse is the right place to post about that :)13:47
seb128but let's see with Will once he's back onlune13:47
seb128online13:47
seb128other topic?13:47
seb128seems not, let's wrap then13:48
seb128efficient meeting, thx team!13:48
seb128#endmeeting13:48
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seb128Trevinho, we can discuss SRUs now if you want, did you have specific things in mind?13:49
Trevinhoseb128: regression updates fixes, I think the main ones landed now upstream13:49
seb128Trevinho, also do you think there is anything we could do to help moving the shell search provider topic upstream? if we want to get ride of those distro changes and have an upstream solution for the next LTS we ideally should get that landed this cycle13:49
Trevinhobut there's one for stack, for which we might avoid a crash triggering a warning.13:49
Trevinhoseb128: don't know... I need to ping Florian again, but he's not much in IRC lately13:50
seb128Trevinho, if you think we should distro patch I think we should do what L_aney recommends, MP the change to the packaging and we can evaluate/comment there13:50
seb128Trevinho, upstream doesn't have a mailing list?13:50
Trevinhoyes, not really active these days thoug13:51
seb128would it help to just work on the code for what you suggest? would code review motivate them more to comment?13:51
Trevinhoseb128: might be, but I'm expecting that if the solution isn't totally matching the design they've in mind, might still stay there and wait13:53
Trevinhoas for bionic, I think backporting is trivial13:54
Trevinhobut the latest package is still in phased updates, as per increased crash rate13:54
Trevinhowhich I've looked at, but that is basically impossible to detect as the log is just mozjs stuff with no JS dump13:55
Trevinhobut in any case none of them is a pure regression of this SRU, maybe of the previous one... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1832869 is the main one thugh, but there were previous errors tracked similar to this13:58
ubot5Launchpad bug 1832869 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_iter_next → meta_display_list_windows → meta_workspace_list_windows → ffi_call_SYSV → ffi_call()" [High,Confirmed]13:58
seb128Trevinho, k, so looking around, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d5de4eff621a9ad0777d271a9aabf26458debf5a was already reported on launchpad with an older version and likely due to an extension, you can reply to Brian to ignore that one14:06
TrevinhoAh, this one is new, but I didn't  reply yet14:06
seb128Trevinho, the one you just listed, it has reports from the version currently on bionic-security so you can also tell Brian that it doesn't make sense to block the newest SRU14:10
seb128Trevinho, and for the rate increase just tell him we looked at the reports/errors and didn't see any sign that tell us it's a problem with the SRU or worth blocking it further14:10
seb128that should be enough to let him unblock the updat14:10
seb128Wimpress, if you ever get some free cycle could you give a try to see if you still can hit bug #1765053?  that file md5 is identic between the i386 and amd64 debs so the error is weird and we can't reproduce14:15
ubot5bug 1765053 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu Bionic) "Errors were encountered while processing: /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-x8YVfC/03-libnvidia-compute-390_390.48-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176505314:15
Trevinhoseb128: ok, good..14:15
seb128Trevinho, thx14:15
Trevinhojust emailed14:15
Trevinhoas per disco, I can re-prepare the branches14:15
Trevinhowhile I wrote about unlinsting https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/1a63c83d1c90f48036a2f839bf608738eefde4c8 since it's not a shell issue, there's a report on lib account that can be reproduced also with a test case + the lib, so no shell problem14:16
seb128k14:17
seb128but disco has valid regressions which have been fixed upstream now so it needs another upload to get unblocked right?14:17
seb128jdstrand_, hey, I'm reviewing the desktop section from http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html for stalled item, bug #1788929 for evince has been assigned to you and marked as in progress since septembre, it looks like it could do with a status update (either get the fix finally upload, or wontfix/unassign/...)14:20
ubot5bug 1788929 in evince (Ubuntu Bionic) "Debian/Ubuntu AppArmor policy gaps in evince" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178892914:20
seb128willcooke, jibel, can you get https://trello.com/c/nCvZPipl/18-qa-keep-an-history-of-desktop-images updated in some way? it had a target date in february, unsure if it should be wontfixed or kept in the backlog?14:23
kenvandinewow... google calendar is down!14:37
jdstrand_seb128: ack14:42
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Wimpressseb128: Yep, I'll try to reproduce it again.14:42
WimpressDo you want to this testing on 19.04 or 19.10?14:43
Wimpressseb128: Looks like I could reproduce that issue following a newer 18.04 daily - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1765053/comments/514:45
ubot5Launchpad bug 1765053 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu Bionic) "Errors were encountered while processing: /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-x8YVfC/03-libnvidia-compute-390_390.48-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" [High,Confirmed]14:45
Wimpress*could NOT14:45
Thr0rI was just wondering why the latest version of DigiKam - ver.6,0 is not in the SW shop. I recently installed and I got ver. 5,6,014:49
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seb128Wimpress, thx for testing, I was not aiming at testing on a particular serie, just to know if that is still happening to someone. It was reported on 18.04 so it's good if it stopped happening there for you19:50
seb128Thr0r, that's not something #ubuntu-desktop is working on but it looks like it's also outdated in Debian, https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/digikam.html19:53
Thr0rseb128: Ok, Thanks. Seems no channel is responsible for keeping SW updated in SW Center...19:55
sarnoldlooks like no one has a digikam snap package up yet -- you could upload the new version there :) https://snapcraft.io/search?q=digikam19:57
Thr0rI don't know how that works so I'd better not..20:01

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