[00:00] Hi. Does anyone know if I can dedicate a hard disk to thw WSL Ubuntu root or at least user home directory? I would like to make Linux builds and need about 500 free GB. Thanks. [00:02] We know nothing about WSL here. Might want to msg /alis to find the WSL channel [00:03] I'd sure hope so, "real linux" lets you mount filesystems more or less anywhere.. hopefully microsoft's version of it does similar === jje_ is now known as jje [00:12] wsl is supported in a dedicated channel [00:12] !wsl [00:12] Windows 10 has a feature called Windows Subsystem for Linux, which allows it to run Ubuntu (and other Linux distro) userspace programs without porting/recompliation. For discussion and support, see #ubuntu-on-windows or ##windows. For installation instructions, see https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide [00:20] oh nice === zbenjamin is now known as Guest1618 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:18] Hello :) Is there any way to PXE boot a Ubuntu Desktop iso? I tried to set it up but it does not have a netboot folder in the ISO' install folder. [02:27] hi guys === [b0b] is now known as b0b [03:56] Morning! [04:40] whoa! i just woke my computer from suspend and it looks like the displays are in 256 color mode [04:40] what gives [04:40] can anyone talk to me about suspend? what happens when i push the power button on my case [04:53] !details | Gallomimia [04:53] Gallomimia: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel. [04:54] the background is spackle, limited number of colors. happened after waking [04:54] !suspend [04:54] Gallomimia: ubuntu version, kernel version, graphics card chipset, driver version, computer brand, bios up to date? [05:02] Is it possible to downgrade to LTS? [05:02] leonardus: downgrading is not how ubuntu works [05:03] So I have to reinstall? [05:03] leonardus: yes [05:03] ok [05:04] leonardus: before using ubuntu, we reccomend thinking what you want first, the lts way, or the non-lts way [05:04] wanted non-lts until the announcement of dropping 32bit support [05:08] is it true I read in the news ubuntu is going to sell to microsoft??? [05:09] usney: ubuntu is a product, not a company, it cannot be sold to microsoft like that [05:09] and as far as i know, canonical is not being sold to microsoft [05:09] where did you read that? [05:10] !discuss | leonardus usney [05:10] leonardus usney: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! === AC3J_ is now known as AC3J [05:37] does ubuntu live ask you for a password when using sudo [05:38] no [05:43] bray90820: does it work for you? [05:43] I got it it does nopt ask for a sudo password [05:44] good, this looks solved then. do you have another question about it? [06:02] Sveta: I do not [06:03] nice. i am glad it is working well for you. if you have a question later you are welcome to ask [06:52] i want to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron 15-3567 [06:52] but i want to make sure that the touchscreen will work [06:52] how can I check on this? === VegetarianFalcon is now known as DarkNet === DarkNet is now known as greencode === greencode is now known as VegetarianFalcon [07:08] jurisdictator: try the live usb first maybe, and search online for experience with it [07:09] i mean if anyone else has tried before [07:17] https://pastebin.com/CS2d1Xy7 I get this error on apt --fix-broken install [07:27] usr123: what happens if you type "sudo apt-get -s remove libpython3.7-stdlib" ? [07:27] (note the -s) [07:30] https://dpaste.de/R4mM got this [07:34] usr123: what does 'apt-cache rdepends python3.7-distutils' give? [07:34] $ apt-cache rdepends python3.7-distutils python3.7-distutils Reverse Depends: [07:35] usr123: try "sudo apt-get -s remove python3.7-distutils libpython3.7-stdlib+" [07:37] Doesnt fix it. I still get error on apt --fix-broken install [07:37] The same [07:37] usr123: i wonder what depends on that python3.7-distutils package, i dont trust the rdepends (reverse dependencies) output [07:38] Can you explain what the issue is? [07:39] I'm a noob [07:40] usr123: well i dont know for sure but it seems like it's trying to overwrite some files of one package with another and after that some process is getting killed [07:40] the process that merges files together [07:41] usr123: can you type "apt-cache policy python3.7-distutils libpython3.7-stdlib" ? [07:41] those are the 2 packages btw [07:43] Patch level, 1000! [07:44] usr123: also, type 'grep "Depends.*python3.7-distutils" /var/lib/dpkg/status' that should show us which packages depend on it [07:45] grep is empty [07:45] ok, good, what about the policy command? [07:45] https://dpaste.de/Sy3e Output of the above command [07:46] Hello, I have Firefox 63.0.3 on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. But I read an article that my current release has a big security issue and I must upgrade to Firefox 67. So far I didn't manage to do that. I tried "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade firefox" but it didn't work at all. I just received a message "firefox is already the newest version (63.0.3+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1)". So how should I do that upgrade? [07:47] !info python3.7-distutils bionic [07:47] Package python3.7-distutils does not exist in bionic [07:47] usr123: i guess you could try to remove python3.7-distutils to satisfy the dependencies, it's not supposed to be in bionic anyways, i guess it was from an earlier version [07:48] usr123: try "sudo dpkg -P python3.7-distutils" [07:48] usr123: if that fails, try "sudo dpkg -P --force-all python3.7-distutils" [07:49] if that works, then "sudo apt-get -f install" should work this time [07:49] But I have a project that depends on python3.7 [07:49] This is work PC [07:50] lsfc1914: type "sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy firefox" and paste please [07:50] !paste | lsfc1914 [07:50] lsfc1914: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [07:50] Trying to run a bash script with parameters as another user from a git hook. I added a rule to /etc/sudoers to run this script without password. However, I get prompted for pw and then error 'not allowed to run /bin/bash -c path/to/file arg1 arg2...'. If I allow /bin/bash in /etc/sudoers it works. What I'm doing wrong? [07:51] rkta: what's the sudoers rule? [07:52] blackflow: git»···ALL=(build:build) NOPASSWD: /home/build/build.sh [07:53] EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cBJbTb9HXT/ [07:53] EriC^^: Will that remove python3.7 from my PC? [07:54] usr123: i dont think so, the status files mentions nothing depending on it, but hold that thought, try "dpkg -L python3.7-distutils" it should list the files of the package [07:54] usr123: also type "apt-cache show python3.7-distutils" and paste the dependencies of the package [07:54] https://dpaste.de/zL0f Here is output [07:55] rkta: and how are you invoking build.sh ? [07:55] usr123: aha what about the Depends line of apt-cache show? [07:55] https://dpaste.de/uraK Here is the output of cache show [07:56] !info python3.7-lib2to3 bionic [07:56] Package python3.7-lib2to3 does not exist in bionic [07:58] usr123: i think nothing will be affected, you can try to reinstall it if it's offered in your system later after apt fixes itself i guess [07:58] Ok. [07:59] try the dpkg -P command, then apt-get -f install let me know how it goes [07:59] blackflow: exec sudo -i -u build /home/build/build.sh arg1 arg2 [07:59] apt --fix-broken install works now [07:59] Thanks. [07:59] usr123: great, it didnt remove any more packages right? during the -f install [08:00] rkta: that wont give 'build /home/build/build.sh' NOPASSWD rights [08:00] $ sudo dpkg -P python3.7-distutils (Reading database ... 299096 files and directories currently installed.) Removing python3.7-distutils (3.7.3-1+xenial1) ... [08:01] rkta: i guess you could make another command called 'start-build.sh' and use that with NOPASSWD and have that have the line build /home/build/build.sh [08:02] usr123: and the apt-get -f install? only fixed apt, no packages removed? [08:03] EriC^^: Didn't seem to remove anything [08:03] Corrected dependencies and set up a bunch of packages [08:03] EriC^^: Why it will not give NOPASSWD rigths? And why a wrapper? And why is it working with /bin/bash in sudoers? [08:03] EriC^^: I need to pass the args from the git hook [08:05] Or do I need to use a different wrapper for different args? Are the args the problem for the sudoers rule? [08:06] rkta: can you execute that sudo line directly on the command prompt, not as a hook but as a git user? [08:07] rkta: I suspect that build.sh calls sudo in turn [08:07] usr123: aha you can try reinstalling python3.7-distutils if you want and see what happens [08:08] rkta: in sudo you gave rights to exec build.sh, but you're not executing build.sh you'd executing the program "build" [08:08] that's why it doesnt work [08:08] EriC^^: uh no that's -u [08:08] oh, didnt notice that, thanks [08:09] blackflow: Can't execute build.sh in any way. And there is not sudo in build.sh. [08:10] maybe it doesn't like the "-i" cause that would end up doing bash -c 'command' [08:10] -i just means full login [08:10] blackflow: yeah but it would do bash -c 'command' [08:10] I don't think so [08:10] It's the -i [08:10] blackflow: "man sudo" [08:11] rkta: aha, cool [08:11] But without my script fails m( [08:12] rkta: probably it needs the $HOME variable set right [08:12] and possibly other stuff that -i does (like use ~/.profile etc) [08:13] I guess I'll figure it out. Thanks so far [08:13] no problem [08:14] EriC^^: And you are right, it was $HOME :) [08:15] :) [08:15] ubuntu should really adjust that default; it should change HOME by default [08:17] it's rarely useful to have HOME set to the homedir of the user you're sudoing from [08:21] some help about my firefox issue asked about half an hour ago? [08:25] lsfc1914: it probably involves adding a repo for the updated version of FF. [08:26] I'm new to Ubuntu sort of...not really sure of the Ubuntu way to do it. [08:26] lsfc1914: did you run `apt update` before that? [08:28] blackflow, I ran `apt-get update` [08:28] lsfc1914: what about 'apt-cache policy firefox' ? [08:29] EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cBJbTb9HXT/` [08:29] lsfc1914: run 'apt-cache policy firefox' alone [08:29] it ended up not running cause apt-get update error'd out [08:31] EriC^^, here it is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pjng5tQVFB/ [08:31] lsfc1914: i think first you need to fix apt-get update http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix and http://ppa.launchpad.net/upubuntu-com have errors [08:32] i think it's trying to download the source info, i'm not sure though, and i dont know whether it actually needs that stuff or what, any idea about these ppas? [08:33] it seems last valid ppa for http://ppa.launchpad.net/upubuntu-com/mobile/ubuntu/dists/ was on 'precise' (12.04) [08:33] I can remove them if they are causing errors [08:34] yeah remove both of them using 'ppa-purge' [08:34] sudo apt-get install ppa-purge [08:34] !ppa-purge | lsfc1914 [08:34] lsfc1914: To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [08:38] EriC^^, I can't remove them, no idea why. :x [08:39] lsfc1914: paste the command you're running and the output [08:39] I’ve an Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS system with “4.4.0-66-generic” kernel version. I want to install lower version kernel “3.16.0-30-generic” , is there any command to install it? I just want to have dual boot option for both the kernels. [08:40] EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZJD6fXD8wQ/ [08:41] I also tried: `sudo apt-get install ppa-purge http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu` [08:42] lsfc1914: "which ppa-purge" does it give back /usr/bin/ppa-purge? [08:42] *try "which ppa-purge" [08:43] sub526: no, that kernel version is no longer supported in Ubuntu. the only way is for you to manually back (forward?) port the kernel from archived src debs or build it from upstream source. [08:44] EriC^^, it gives /usr/sbin/ppa-purge [08:45] lsfc1914: ok try "sudo ppa-purge ppa:venerix/pkg" [08:47] EriC^^, here is the output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xrYVyjRDdC/ [08:51] lsfc1914: ok seems like ppa-purge needs to use apt-get update before working, so that's a no-go for ppa-purge [08:51] lsfc1914: let's try to manually remove the sources for them and call it a day [08:51] lsfc1914: type "tail -v -n+1 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" [08:52] EriC^^, I typed that [08:52] should I show the output? [08:55] lsfc1914: yes please [08:56] EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ww73SGTZqX/ [08:58] blackflow: how to back port the kernel from archived src debs? [08:59] lsfc1914: type "sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/upubuntu-com-ubuntu-mobile-xenial.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/venerix-ubuntu-pkg-xenial.list" [09:00] lsfc1914: then try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade firefox" [09:00] you probably want to run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" as well when you have time [09:01] lsfc1914: sorry "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox" that should upgrade only firefox [09:02] EriC^^, it still says "firefox is already the newest version (63.0.3+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1)" [09:03] what was the output of sudo apt-get update? [09:05] EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Nt4FNRKS45/ [09:05] blackflow: I can try build from upstream source, but don't know how to get the exact source code for 3.16.0-30-generic ? === guest is now known as rory [09:06] lsfc1914: that looks good, hmm what does 'apt-cache policy firefox' give? [09:07] lsfc1914: maybe that mirror has some problems? http://mirrors.neterra.net/ubuntu/ [09:07] for me firefox 67 shows from xenial-updates repository [09:08] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qXhKWfRWw2/ [09:08] I guess so because it shows 500 at the beginning [09:08] lsfc1914: i would switch to official ubuntu mirrors [09:09] ok, sound great, but how to do it? :) [09:10] from sources.list or software updater or somewhere else? [09:11] lsfc1914: type "sudo sed -i 's@http://mirrors.neterra.net/ubuntu/@http://bg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/@' /etc/apt/sources.list" [09:11] then sudo apt-get update again [09:12] EriC^^, ok I did it [09:13] lsfc1914: ok try 'sudo apt-get install firefox' again [09:13] and now should I do again apt-get install firefox? [09:13] yeah [09:15] well, I really don't know what to say [09:15] it is okay now, Firefox is version 67.0.2 [09:16] great [09:16] EriC^^, thank you very very much for the help and the patience [09:16] lsfc1914: you're welcome no problem :) [09:17] I wasted maybe an hour of your time [09:17] sorry about that and once again - thank you [09:17] no waste, np [09:17] have a good day :) [09:17] thanks you too :) [09:35] ello. i try to install Open office on ubuntu 18.04 following those instructions: https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-openoffice-on-ubuntu-debian/ , https://computingforgeeks.com/install-latest-apache-openoffice-on-ubuntu-18-04-debian-9/ [09:35] when i follow the mentioned step "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" , i get several errors which i cannot figure out how to solve them https://justpaste.it/1q2mp [09:39] sub526: take a look at these debs: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ HOWEVER... note that systemd expects certain kernel functionalities and is to be updated in step with the kernel. meaning, such an old kernel might render your system unusable. [09:40] Alarm_: any particular reason you want OpenOffice instead of the readily available fork of it, LibreOffice? [09:41] blackflow: i need it for an integration in a software application to convert some documents. i used an older version of it on SuSe (Open office 3.1) and now we move our development environment on Ubuntu . Changing from OpenOffice to Libre would mean also change in the source code [09:42] so , i want to give first openOffice a try if the newer version works as required before looking for alternatives. [09:42] Alarm_: would it? Libre is a fork of Open which is nowadays unmaintained afaik [09:43] i have no clue. this is what i am trying to do. but all the installation instructions i find, mention the "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" command, which raises errors on my environment [09:45] any ideas how to resolve those issue , would be helpful [09:45] Alarm_: I ask in order to avoid the XY problem and save yourself the trouble of potentially day-long yak shaving of installing unsupported software. As for those errors you pasted, I'd start with solving them top to bottom. For starters, unexpected end of stream suggest corrupt downloads. [09:45] !xy [09:45] The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. [09:46] So ideally, perhaps tell what exactly you need out of OO that LO doesn't offer. [09:54] blackflow: i am not familiar with LO . As i mentioned, we currently use the OpenOffice (3.1) engine to convert some documents through a java application . [09:54] blackflow: i am not sure if i use LO instead if i need also modifications in my source code [09:55] Alarm_: And my point is, did you try doing the same with LibreOffice. It is a fork of OpenOffice. [09:55] no i have not. so you suggest trying to install LO and try this instead first [09:55] i might give it a try then [10:25] Hey folks [11:12] where can I get a list of repository mirrors? [11:12] !mirrors | isomari [11:12] isomari: Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Disco, and help keeping the servers' load low! [11:12] thanks [11:13] happy2help! [12:24] im on ubuntu 16.04 (cant upgrade for reasons). the unity desktop seem to be messed up. i dont have the launcher, nautilus, apps are tiled on top of each other but i cant move them around. I have tried apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop but it did not help. [12:24] i3wm works perfectly fine though [12:41] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2pQMQitx/ [12:45] Hey, can someone point me in the right direction to rebind my ALT_R key to Left arrow? [12:47] !wsl | cmosguy [12:47] cmosguy: Windows 10 has a feature called Windows Subsystem for Linux, which allows it to run Ubuntu (and other Linux distro) userspace programs without porting/recompliation. For discussion and support, see #ubuntu-on-windows or ##windows. For installation instructions, see https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide [12:51] cyphex: xmodmap could do it [12:51] eraserpencil2: does the guest account work? [12:52] oooh, should have tried that. [12:53] oh, I thought that was discontinued EriC^^ [12:53] I'll give it a shot, thanks [12:54] cyphex: https://askubuntu.com/a/347382 [12:56] eraserpencil2: I tried that method before, I couldn't find an entry for the right alt key in there. [12:57] I tried manually adding it, but it messed up my keyboard and I had to chroot from a live usb to fix it. [13:03] EriC^^: okay so i actually cant login with lightdm. Something wrong with my graphics drivers. When I try that, I cant go to tty7. And even at tty1-6, I cant login as my user. It has the error pam_nologin(8) error. Same when i try to login as root, just that i have the password prompt for root, but it dosent work [13:05] eraserpencil2: might be a bug, did you try restarting? [13:05] multiple times [13:05] eraserpencil2: sounds like you may have changed ownership of critical files and directories [13:05] that dosent sound good [13:06] eraserpencil2: can you login as root have you set a password? [13:06] i do not recall changing ownership . [13:06] eraserpencil2: you might have the file "/run/nologin" try to remove it either from root, recovery console, or a live usb [13:08] eraserpencil2: potentially you might be able to do "init=/bin/bash" in grub's kernel line and remove it from there instead of using a live usb [13:08] so i can only launch my DEs with lxdm. GDM3 and lightdm gives different results [13:08] i have full control of my system with lxdm and i3wm [13:09] eraserpencil2: aha, is there any "/var/run/nologin or /etc/nologin" [13:09] logging as root from the login page fails, but i can do sudo su [13:10] no such files [13:10] hmm odd [13:11] according to the man page, "pam_nologin is a PAM module that prevents users from logging into the system when /var/run/nologin or /etc/nologin exists. The contents of the file are displayed to the user. The pam_nologin module has no effect on the root user's ability to log in." [13:12] it is odd how the different dm's gives me different useability [13:15] eraserpencil2: try running "while true; do ls -l /var/run/nologin 2>/dev/null || ls -l /etc/nologin 2>/dev/null && touch /tmp/found; done" [13:16] eraserpencil2: keep that running somehow, then try using gdm and see if the file /tmp/found exists, it means the file somehow got there temporarily or something, not sure how it may help but who knows [13:24] would switching tty make that command persists? [13:28] eraserpencil2: yeah [13:29] eraserpencil2: this is a neater version of it "while true; do if [[ -e /var/run/nologin ]] || [[ -e /etc/nologin ]]; then touch /tmp/found; fi done" [13:31] oh gdm3 works [13:33] there is no /tmp/found though [13:34] I have a system with a graphics card that isn't supported by the ubuntu install cd/usb which causes me to receive a black screen right after grub [13:34] The system seems to run fine (i can ping it) but pretty useless since i have no form of output [13:35] garo: Try booting the live disk with the kernel option "nomodeset" [13:35] I tried turning of 'quiet' and 'splash' in the kernel messages, i now see the kernel messages (no errors) but after that completely black [13:35] garo: Or if you have it installed, add the option to your grub config file [13:35] pragmaticenigma: good idea, thanks [13:35] !nomodeset | garo [13:35] garo: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [13:36] garo: which ubuntu version is this, which graphics card? [13:36] (if i manage to install i'll probably find good drivers) [13:36] I want to say intel 630 but am not completely sure [13:37] it's a precision 3630 of dell which should be working on ubuntu 16.04 according to https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201803-26183/ [13:37] (so i tried 16.04) [13:38] eraserpencil2: aha, i think it's some bug that's intermittent then [13:38] ah, progress ! nomodeset did the trick ! [13:39] Actually it looks quiet fine, now i am wondering if i need to search extra drivers... [13:39] lotuspsychje today the Xorg is taking 5.4 gigs of memory [13:40] garo: i would actually recommend you install ubuntu 18.04.2 on this system [13:41] lotuspsychje https://imgur.com/a/8rOT4GG [13:41] Can anybody see what the problem with Xorg is ? [13:42] garo: and you won't need to "find good drivers" usually, since most of the time, your hardware is fully supported out of the box (apparently this wasn't the case for your intel GPU with the 16.04 version you tried for some reason) [13:44] Xorg is taking too much memory(close to 5.4 gigs) I am not sure what's the problem. Here is a screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/8rOT4GG. [13:44] Do i lose anything by using nomodeset ? (I assume this is the case, otherwise it would have been set as option by default...) [13:45] garo: yes, you loose acceleration ("3D") [13:46] oh well... I'll survive... [13:47] garo: your system will be running in "low graphics mode" (SVGA) now. if it's just the installer it's not much of an issue, i guess, since this may be fixable by installing and fully updating the system, but i'd definitely prefer the latest LTS release on modern hardware like yours. [13:49] If I set up a gateway/router with 18.04, do I have to use ufw or can I just use straight up iptables? [13:49] garo: do not rely on hardware certifications so much (they mostly indicate that a company was willing to pay for them), better do your own tests and find orientation in what people here and elsewhere suggest. [13:51] I first tried bionic (to be really honest: it was mint 19, so bionic plus some extras...). i i only tried xenial after noticing it didn't work [13:52] But everything is fixed now, thank you all very much ! [13:52] Anybody ? [13:52] This is computer is not usable and I am not sure if I can reproduce the issue later. [13:53] shinoda: which ubuntu version are you running there, is it fully updated, which other processes is this system running, which hardware (especially graphics card) do yu have there, when was it last rebooted, did you suspend in between? [13:55] JuJUBee: you can and should use iptables directly or via some more potent firewalling frontend then. [13:55] Kubuntu (bionic), Updated, GTX 960m, reboot : yesterday, suspend : yes, last night. [13:56] shinoda: review the system's logs ("journalctl -b -e") for clues. [13:56] tomreyn, how do I deal with the problem with netplan not supporting the post-up iptables-restore ? [13:57] JuJUBee: i'm not familiar with this problem. is there a related bug report? [13:57] !info netfilter-persistent | JuJUBee [13:57] not a but, just lack of support [13:57] JuJUBee: netfilter-persistent (source: iptables-persistent): boot-time loader for netfilter configuration. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.4+nmu2ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 6 kB, installed size 36 kB [13:58] OK thanks tomreyn [13:58] !info iptables-persistent | JuJUBee also see this one for iptables rules [13:58] JuJUBee also see this one for iptables rules: iptables-persistent (source: iptables-persistent): boot-time loader for netfilter rules, iptables plugin. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.4+nmu2ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 6 kB, installed size 42 kB [13:59] JuJUBee: those packages are controlled from a systemd service at boot-time, independent of the network config via netplan/systemd-networkd etc. [13:59] TJ- https://pastebin.com/nFEnHvwC [13:59] thanks tj [14:00] tomreyn will changing from xorg to wayland help ? [14:01] shinoda: i could not tell at this point. changing software stacks can be done as a last resort, a better approach is reviewing log files and handling errors reported there. [14:02] I'm running a survey about backup software to learn more about what people are using to do their backup and why they are using it. I invite individual and business to answer the survey. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HKSB6FG [14:02] shinoda: can you run this and report the output? nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";) [14:02] !ot | ikus060 [14:02] ikus060: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [14:03] tomreyn sure. [14:03] tomreyn https://termbin.com/4ac3 [14:04] shinoda: you're not on the latest GA kernel, this would be linux-image-4.15.0-52-generic version 4.15.0-52.56. that's not going to be the issue, though. [14:05] shinoda: can you post your full system log: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 [14:05] https://termbin.com/lv18 [14:06] "| nc termbin.com 9999" wut, does that really work? [14:06] garo: I noticed in looking at the certification for your Dell, it doesn't mention any GPU at all! THat seems *unusual* [14:08] shinoda: have you got something enabled to do debugging? It doesn't look good if it is spamming the logs so rapidly (multiple messages per second). "[iptables.stdout][posix/posix_firewall_iptables.cpp:34][info]" - don't think this is related to Xorg memory but..! [14:09] :-) [14:09] garo: maybe it's supposed to be a headless desktop? :) [14:10] tomreyn I found that weird too. It looks like my VPN client. PIA multiple logs about iptables and such but not sure how that is related to Xorg. [14:10] shinoda: i think you meant to address TJ- [14:10] Ahh. Sorry my bad. [14:12] shinoda: the only things I've seen where Xorg ate memory like that was caused by a faulty external input device repeatedly failing to connect, which is why I suggested checking the boot log for such clues (originaly fault there was a broken USB hub) [14:13] shinoda: for some reason,t he system log you posted now (running the commands i provided) ends on "Jun 17 15:56:10", and i don't think this exceeded the maximum post length on termbin.com, yet. [14:14] Where can we go to give feedback about the removal of 32-bit libraries? This will break support for tens of thousands of proprietary applications still actively sold and supported today from companies which specifically target Ubuntu as their preferred Linux platform. [14:15] @TJ- Could be it due to an external monitor that's not the same resolution as my laptop display ? [14:15] It also breaks most things run in Wine as Windows is full of *new* 32-bit applications. The Canonical people on the mailing list seem to think 64-bit Wine can run 32-bit programs and don't realize they need the 32-bit libraries. [14:15] tomreyn anything else I can run which helps you debug the issue ? [14:15] shinoda: maybe let's try this instead: journalctl -b -p warning | nc termbin.com 9999 [14:15] EriC^^: thats a very difficult bug to report [14:15] Depending on the meaning of desktop it wouldn't be all that weird... Although with this size and form it will be really hard to place my feet under [14:16] shinoda: I wouldn't think so, but it could be due to the GPU drivers (they're the things that allocate memory for textures etc) [14:16] And placing a cup of coffee on top of it also doesn't look like a good idea... [14:16] tomreyn https://termbin.com/ox7b [14:17] Kon-: if those other companies are willing to fund the ongoing support of i386 then I suspect Canonical would be interested [14:17] If that's really their position, I think Canonical massively overestimates their influence in this regard. [14:18] Kon-: the point is, Ubuntu is an open source OS so its not too concerned about running proprietary binary blobs from other OSes [14:19] Wine is more of a (relatively) niche concern, but I was primarily talking about native applications. [14:19] TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZV4FVbWpbT/ I din't find anything related to USB fails. I am not sure though. See if you can take a look. [14:19] Kon-: Canonical makes its money from server deployments, not desktop. i386 doesn't figure in server deployments now [14:19] Kon-: there's a discourse forum for this if you want to make your points [14:20] Kon-: see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263 [14:21] shinoda: not a great log for information that, but it doesn indicate a lot of file-system damage being repaired [14:22] Thanks for the link TJ- [14:22] @TJ- LOL Ok. [14:23] I'm installing Ubuntu again (19.04 now) after a long time and I'm in the manual partitioning GUI. Do I create an EFI partition (vfat) first, and if so, what's a reasonable size for Ubuntu? (no Windows dualboot) [14:25] hi [14:26] !smart | shinoda: with this many file system errors, you should inspect your storages 'health' [14:26] shinoda: with this many file system errors, you should inspect your storages 'health': smart is Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology, a monitoring system for hard drives. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools [14:26] Looks like on my host the efi partition is only 6MB/196MB, so the generous recommendations found online are probably for different use cases, eh? [14:26] Is only *using 6MB/196MB [14:28] I have cpp-8.3.0-6~ (virtual package) installed in Cosmic, but I need to use cpp 8.2.0 so I download cpp-8_8.2.0-7ubuntu1_amd64.deb. If I try to dpkg -i cpp-8_8.2.0-7ubuntu1_amd64.deb it *only* downgrades the non-virtual cpp-8 package, but leaves the virtual cpp package at the undesired 8.3.0-6 version and lots of broken dependencies [14:28] adrian_1908: i'm not sure which recommendations you found / refer to, but > 250 MB, better 512 MB, is what is often recommended for the ESP, since there are (said to be) mainboard firmwares which won't detect / use it is it's smaller. [14:28] adrian_1908: yes, strangely the larger size requirement is to pander to some broken motherboard firmwares that fail with smaller EFI-SP. In fact the optimum size to avoid all known problems of that type is an EFI-SP of 550MiB [14:29] Ah ok, that makes sense then. Thanks. [14:29] and i'm happy to trust TJ-'s recommendation there. [14:29] adrian_1908: but if it works, make it small! Every MB counts [14:29] tomreyn any luck with xorg ? [14:30] adrian_1908: I generally make the eI-SP a FAT16 of no more than 128MB [14:31] shinoda: no, the log i looked at (which was again cut off) shows some ACPI errors and a few others but nothing immediately explaining a large X memory allocation. [14:32] tomreyn Ok. What do you suggest I do in the time being ? [14:33] shinoda: my primary suspects would be the nvidia and vmware drivers. but TJ- probably has a better support experience than me and thus you should also consider his hint on USB / input devices (there's one or two warnings about such on the log you posted at https://termbin.com/ox7b ). [14:33] shinoda: update your kernel, reboot, don't suspend if it's not strictly needed. [14:34] tomreyn Ok. I am not sure how such warnings are resolved. Will I have to change my USB hub or some other action ? [14:34] @tomreyn Actually suspending the system is something I need. Will reinstalling the system help ? [14:35] Also I think I should indicate that the system was working perfectly fine for about 1.5 years and this problem has surfaced about 2 weeks back. [14:36] shinoda: check your dpkg logs too, maybe you will see a relevant update recently that could be related [14:36] In this time of the problem I have only installed OBS [14:36] shinoda: reinstalling the system with the same configuration won't help (unless you somehow broke the system and didn't fully fix it at some point) [14:37] tomreyn about the USB logs what course of action do you suggest ? [14:38] shinoda: did you try that performance mode & driver switch we talked about yesterday? [14:38] tomreyn I always have the weirdest set of problems, Once my logrotate wasn't working and I accumulated a log of size 160 gigs. Now this. [14:39] lotuspsychje Yes. Switched to Nvidia. Today the size of xorg in 5 gigs. [14:39] shinoda: all the logs you've shown indicate little problems but there's nothing pointing towards a cause of Xorg eating memory [14:39] shinoda: you could review your log ("journalctl -b -p warning" returns any warnings logged since the last boot), and look up those messages you would not expect to see on the web, and see if others had similar issues and whether / how they solved them. [14:40] tomreyn Ok. I will look. I am not sure if I have the eye for details like you guys do. [14:40] shinoda: feel free to pastebin your findings, volunteers will take a look for you [14:40] shinoda: by the way, switching to wayland won't work with nvidia hardware, as far as i know. [14:41] lotuspsychje TJ- tomreyn Thanks. [14:41] shinoda: have you tried creating a new user account, logging into it and leave it overnight, and check when you return if Xorg has eaten memory? If it doesn't that'd point to something you have in your usual profile [14:43] TJ- Since you mentioned my Laptop remains on for about 18 hours a day. And since this issue has arised I have noted the memory used by Xorg. It doesn't spike that much. When freshly booted Xorg is at 40M then thorughout the session it spikes to 100M and remains there. When suspended it wakes up with more than 3G < . [14:44] shinoda: NOW you tell us a vital detail!!!! [14:44] shinoda: so a suspend-resume cycle seems to be the trigger ? [14:44] TJ- I am not sure. I am not qualified. [14:45] @TJ- yes. sorry misunderstood the question [14:45] shinoda: well, that is one easy test to do isn't it? do a series of suspend-resume cycles and measure Xorg memory use at each :) [14:45] that is, both before and after [14:45] shinoda: start from a fresh boot and note down the value each time you resume [14:45] ^^^ indeed [14:45] TJ- Ok. [14:46] shinoda: in this 'game' of debugging you have to collect facts and evidence and see where they lead [14:46] Without any applications running ? [14:47] shinoda: to being with, yes, don't have too many variables at play. If the memory is fine without applications running, then try adding in 1 at a time and try again, you may find 1 application is the cause [14:47]