[02:34] Hey all! (take 2) [02:34] Who particularly wanted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates to be considered? I'm SRU-team-looking at it at the moment. [02:34] And I Have Questions. [02:37] jibel: Aha! Now that matrix has caught up I see you! [04:05] That's a large glitch in the matrix [04:08] That's LXD updating, and for some reason losing network connectivity out of the containers I have my homeserver in… [05:51] RAOF, hi, thanks for reviewing. What questions? [05:51] * jibel waits for the matrix to update and an answer on Monday [05:52] hi all [05:52] jibel: 😛 [05:52] So, my main question is: why backport the short-lived branches? [05:53] Because, as I understand it, you get all the hardware-enablement goodness out of SRUing the long-lived branch? [05:54] RAOF, because short lived adds new features and latest gpu support [05:54] in long lived there are also new gpu but only bug fixes [05:54] I thought the long-lived branches also added GPU support? [05:55] yes, but only bug fixes [05:56] Ok. So SRUing the short-lived branch is not really about hardware enablement, then? [05:56] someone who's on long lived won't be switch to short lived unless he does it intentionally [05:57] no, it's more to bring the latest stuff from upstream to the users of this hardware. [05:57] they also have support for newer gpu earlier with short lived [05:58] Ok. [05:59] So, the rest is entirely uncontrovertial, as far as I can see; long-lived and legacy are clearly HWE, and we made our peace with that long ago 😸 [06:03] Great :) [06:07] RAOF, so what's next, we'll get a formal approval or have to amend the exception? [06:07] And since you need to opt-in to using the short-lived branches, they're probably fine to SRU, too. [06:07] excellent [06:07] That's a good question! [06:08] My memory of the feeling of the SRU team in the meeting was that this was basically a special case of the HWE exception we already have. [06:08] I'll check the notes for that, but I believe the next step is me signing off on that. [06:09] Morning jibel [06:09] Evening duflu [06:10] Not quite. But it is for RAOF [06:10] Evening/afternoon RAOF [06:10] And a fine afternoon to you, too, duflu [06:11] Is there an Nvidia definition of long/short lived? [06:12] Or is that of our making? [06:13] duflu, there is no official definition, but it's what I gathered from their website and replies from their support team on the forums [06:13] it's a recurring question [06:13] Yeah I was trying to tell from the version numbers but could not [06:13] You can only tell a series is long lived when it's long lived [06:13] there is no logic between the version number and the branch [06:14] They explicitly call out long lived/short lived on the driver page: https://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html [06:14] Oh. How did I miss that? Thanks! [06:15] I guess I always go in via the drivers menu which is on the black geforce web site and it doesn't tell you there [06:15] Although, amusingly, there isn't currently a short-lived branch that's useful. [06:16] (The current short-lived branch is 415; the long-lived branch is 430) [06:16] from my discussion with tseliot odd numbers are short lived and even are long lived [06:16] to be confirmed [06:17] That makes sense. So how long is "long" according to Nvidia? [06:19] "A short-lived branch typically has only one or two (non-beta) releases, while long-lived branches will have several." [06:20] so "long" = "several releases" that's helpful [06:27] from the archive there's been 6 releases of 415 (short lived) between Nov 2018 and Jan 2019 [06:28] and 6 of 410 from Sept. 2018 and Feb 2019 [06:28] long is a bit longer that short but not much === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:46] good morning! [07:51] morning all [07:52] good morning desktopers [07:52] hi seb128 [07:52] hey marcustomlinson willcooke, happy friday! [07:52] \o/ [07:52] :D [08:02] yo [08:03] guten fridayen [08:03] hoi Laney, bon vendredi ! [08:07] Good morning marcustomlinson, willcooke, seb128, Laney [08:07] hey duflu, how are you? having a nice friday? ready for the weekend? ;) [08:08] seb128, mostly nice yeah. I don't know about "ready" for the weekend but I will appreciate it. You? [08:09] one full day to go, I hope to get some work done, we are approaching end of june and I have half my trello card not started yet for this iteration :/ [08:09] otherwise I'm looking forward the w.e, we are in the North of France for 3 days, weather should be nice and there are music festival for the summer start [08:09] hey seb128 duflu [08:11] happy summer/winter solstice! [08:12] * Laney should get to start a new Trello card on Monday hopefully ... [08:15] o/ [08:21] \o [08:23] _o> [08:37] tkamppeter, hey, what's the status of fixing the network manager autopkgtests? [12:59] seb128: last i heard he had found the cause of the callback hanging but there were other failures he was working on too [13:00] kenvandine, hey, k, thx for the update! (is Till off today? also do you know if he works in a vcs or such?) [13:00] not off and not sure if he's pushing his work anywhere [16:35] k, enough work for this week [16:35] today was Debian merges day and bug triage, I feel tired now, going to enjoy the nice weather and a beer :) [16:36] see you on monday! [16:36] bye seb128 [16:39] seb128: have one on me :) [16:40] :-) [17:10] happy weekend all, see you next week === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [18:21] jdstrand: i have a snap awaiting review because of a minor change to the dbus name [18:22] - name: org.gnome.sudoku [18:22] + name: org.gnome.Sudoku [18:51] Hi, Is there a function to turn the string "192.168.5.23" into an integer? [18:56] tkamppeter: yes. *however*, using it will mean you're not going to work with ipv6 addresses. [18:56] tkamppeter: if you're okay with ipv4 only for whatever reasons, inet_aton(3). that'll emit the address in network byte order, not host endianness. [20:01] sarnold, first, the code part where I will use it, is IPv4-only, and second, I got the suggestion to use the netaddr Python module which has a function which convers both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. [20:01] tkamppeter: oh cool