[00:53] <max3> how do i source .bashrc or .profile or whatever on unlock
[00:55] <sarnold> what's "on unlock" mean?
[00:55] <max3> screen unlock
[00:57] <max3> sarnold,
[00:57] <sarnold> and where would you source those? all running bashes? ones running in terminals in that X session? one brand new terminal opened just for the occasion? :)
[00:58] <max3> sarnold, guake
[00:59] <sarnold> that's a gnome thing, *maybe* you can convince it to do something on unlock. sourcing a file into bash feels pretty unlikely though.
[01:00] <max3> something must be wrong. i'm not quite sure why it is that guake resets the shell when i lock
[01:01] <ryu0> probably spawns a new terminal.
[01:01] <ryu0> only thing that makes sense.
[01:01] <max3> ryu0, i mean it doesn't because the buffer doesn't get cleared
[01:01] <max3> ok here's the real issue. i have capslock and escape swapped
[01:02] <max3> and everytime i lock/unlock that's reset
[01:02] <max3> right now the setxkbmap is in my .profile
[01:04] <sarnold> oh! that shouldn't be done there :) stuff it in your Xsession or similar
[01:07] <max3> sarnold, umm i don't have an .xsession file it seems
[01:08] <sarnold> max3: if you're using other gnome bits, they probably have their own autorun mechanism
[01:08] <max3> not sure what "other gnome bits" would be. i'm on 18.04
[01:09] <sarnold> the description for guake says it's for gnome; you might be able to use it without gnome, I don't know. but if you're using gnome, there's probably an autorun facility of some sort already there
[01:10] <sarnold> if you're using a different environment, there may or may not be one.. i3 for example doesn't have something special, it just uses xsession
[01:12] <max3> i can't find anything simple. i'm so confused. before i wiped and reinstalled and now i can't figure out how it would work
[01:13] <sarnold> max3: does this work on your version? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/startup-applications.html.en
[01:13] <max3> yes
[01:14] <max3> but not all startup apps run on unlock?
[01:16] <sarnold> why do you want to unswap them when you lock and reswap them when you unlock?
[01:16] <max3> i don't
[01:16] <max3> i want them to stay swapped
[01:16] <max3> always
[01:18] <sarnold> aha
[01:18] <sarnold> then you run that once, when X starts, and then they stay swapped :)
[01:18] <max3> like i said: it's in my bashrc
[01:18] <max3> it doesn't stick
[01:18] <max3> every time i go through a lock->unlock cycle it's reset
[01:20] <sarnold> it shouldn't be in your bashrc. if it's literally *swapping* them, then every time you start a shell, it'll swap them
[01:20] <max3> i feel like we're going in circles
[01:20] <sarnold> me too :)
[01:20] <max3> i t doesn't matter ot me where it is
[01:20] <max3> i believe you that it shuoldn't be in my bashrc
[01:21] <max3> where do i put it/what should i do in order that it sticks through a lock-unlock cycle
[01:21] <sarnold> yeah; as far as I know you're the first person to put it there. :) everyone else puts control/caps lock switch into their ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc or desktop environment autostart tools
[01:22] <max3> https://askubuntu.com/a/364019
[01:23] <max3> that worked
[01:23] <sarnold> woot
[01:23] <max3> thanks
[01:23] <max3> ciao
[01:23] <sarnold> I'm glad we got there! have fun :)
[02:11] <sloshy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1396379
[02:12] <sloshy> i just want to point out that this is a serious bug that has been ignored since 14.04
[02:12] <sloshy> the installer lying to the user and messing with sda when the user explicitly tells the installer to install the bootloader and efi files to sdb
[02:13] <sloshy> one user even claimed it bricked his company laptop
[02:13] <sloshy> the bug has been completely ignored, not even assigned to anyone
[02:13] <sloshy> over 4 years ago
[02:14] <sloshy> i literally have to disconnect my first hard drive to prevent the ubuntu installer from accessing it
[02:17] <sloshy> ive brought up this bug before and the only responses ive gotten were either "unplug the hard drive before installing" or "don't use UEFI anymore"
[02:18] <sloshy> and now here we are in an irc channel with 1,221 users who are dumbfounded and have nothing to say about this at all
[02:19] <sloshy> i shouldnt even have to bring this up on irc but the bug report (and its many duplicates) have all been ignored by the developers for 4 straight years and i don't know what else to do other than complain about it here
[02:20] <sloshy> and pray that someone in this channel happens to be involved in ubiquity development and also has a brain in their head
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> sloshy: this isnt the complaints channel, focus on actual support issues
[02:21] <sloshy> this is an actual support issuu
[02:21] <sloshy> issue*
[02:22] <sarnold> another option is to supply a patch
[02:22] <sloshy> its not some difficult impossible fix either, fedora has never had this problem
[02:22] <sloshy> in fact ive never had any distro do this besides ubuntu
[02:24] <Joah> hey guys, having a bit of an issue with a sound card i just installed. i'm running ubuntu 18.04 and just installed a soundblaster sb0770. ubuntu detected the card and i have it set as my audio device, but i'm not getting any sound out of it at all
[02:24] <Joah> showing as "EMU20k1 [Sound Blaster X-Fi Series]"
[02:24] <Joah> which should be good
[02:24] <Joah> any ideas?
[02:25] <sloshy> have you tried setting it in pavucontrol?
[02:25] <sarnold> does it show as muted in amixer? iirc alsa brings up soundcards as muted
[02:26] <Joah> what would i set in pavucontrol?
[02:27] <Joah> sarnold, how would i see if something's muted in amixer? not familiar with the output of this
[02:28] <strive> alsamixer
[02:28] <Joah> yeah
[02:28] <Joah> definitely not muted
[02:29] <sarnold> sorry, alsamixer is indeed the one I meant. :/ amixer is baffling :)
[02:30] <Joah> i'm totally at a loss
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> Joah: is your driver loaded? sudo lshw -C sound
[02:48] <Joah>        description: Audio device
[02:48] <Joah>        product: EMU20k1 [Sound Blaster X-Fi Series]
[02:48] <Joah>        vendor: Creative Labs
[02:49] <Joah> i select it as the output but get no audio whatsoever
[02:49] <Joah> not even MIDI
[02:50] <sarnold> please don't hate me..
[02:50] <sarnold> but are you sure you've got the wires in the right holes? :)
[02:50] <Joah> yeah, lmao
[02:50] <Joah> i even tried every port
[02:50] <Joah> just in case
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> Joah: where is driver=...
[02:52] <Joah> that didn't output a driver field for any of my sound devices
[02:52] <Joah> oh
[02:52] <Joah>  waity
[02:52] <Joah> wait*
[02:52] <Joah> it did, lol
[02:52] <Joah> sorry
[02:52] <Joah>        configuration: driver=snd_ctxfi latency=32 maxlatency=5 mingnt=4
[02:53] <sloshy> why cant i enable full hinting in 18.04
[02:53] <sloshy> its set to full hinting in both the gnome-tweak-tool and in /etc/fonts/local.conf
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> !details | sloshy
[02:54] <sloshy> and theres still no full hinting, fonts look exactly the same as they do set to slight hinting
[02:55] <Joah> hmm
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> Joah: ok, driver loaded, lets pastebin your dmesg please?
[02:55] <Joah> weirdly enough, if i change the output device in sound settings, it stays on my my HDMI video card's sound output
[02:55] <Joah> sure
[02:55] <sloshy> is it just that certain fonts dont support full hinting
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Joah
[02:56] <Joah> yeah, got it. sorry. lol
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> sloshy: can we have a screenshot of that?
[02:56] <Joah> what command should i run to get a more specific output from dmesg? just running dmesg gives me a ton
[02:57] <sloshy> fuck this
[02:57] <Joah> ...lol
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> Joah: yes, the whole ton please
[03:01] <Joah> lotuspsychje, i found these relevant lines
[03:01] <Joah> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rpwpfGhVWy/
[03:01] <Joah> if you do need the whole thing for sure, let me know
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> Joah: yeah the whole thing please
[03:02] <Joah> ok
[03:02] <Joah> sec
[03:03] <Joah> i pm'd you with it
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> Joah: there's no sensitive data in dmesg, you can share it here, volunteers can help and might have other ideas
[03:04] <Joah> ah, okay
[03:04] <Joah> got it
[03:04] <Joah> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/28Fpn7KZGb/
[03:06] <sarnold> woo unicomp! :D
[03:06] <Joah> :)
[03:07] <Joah> weird that it says spacesaver, this is a full model m
[03:07] <sarnold> I *think* they mean that it saves space compared to the monsters from the 80s
[03:08] <Joah> same size, lolol. this is their version of the model m. they have a smaller "spacesaver" model
[03:08] <sarnold> it's not like a modern 80% or 60% or whatever "spacesaver", but compared to the old ones, they're still a bit smaller :)
[03:08] <Joah> probably just the same usb controller
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> Joah: did you disable internal audio in bios?
[03:08] <Joah> hmm, i may have
[03:08] <Joah> would that cause the PCI card to not work?
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> Joah: usually when installing a new card, you can disable internal mobo audio
[03:09] <Joah> hmm
[03:09] <Joah> should i go into the BIOS and make sure it's disabled?
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> Joah: cause thats the card you wanna be using right?
[03:09] <Joah> yeah, i don't wanna use the built-in sound card
[03:10] <Joah> just the one i installed today
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> Joah: ok, please doublecheck
[03:10] <Joah> kk, brb
[03:11] <is_null> hi all, any idea why upgrading from linux kernel 4.13 to 4.15 fails at update-initramfs libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-config.c:656 kmod_config_parse: /etc/modprobe.d/btrfs.conf line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'options'
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> is_null: can we get the full output of apt in a pastebin please?
[03:12] <is_null> for information, i made /et/modprobe.d/btrfs.conf and it contains only `options btrfs`
[03:13] <sarnold> don't you need to actually give an option on that line?
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> is_null: you are not using custom kernel or something?
[03:14] <is_null> no custom kernel, full outputs: https://dpaste.de/1L4v
[03:14] <Joah> okay, all disabled but still having the same issue
[03:14] <is_null> not sure if it ever complained in the past but at least this got this system to load the btrfs module on boot, maybe there's a better way ?
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> Joah: you dualboot with windows?
[03:15] <is_null> because currently this interrupts apt upgrade, i hope it's recoverable
[03:15] <Joah> nope, just ubuntu
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> Joah: what are your uefi settings like? fastboot & secureboot?
[03:16] <Joah> both are turned off
[03:16] <is_null> should have used /etc/modules apparently
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> Joah: ok tnx, can you simulate a new dmesg please?
[03:16] <Joah> sure
[03:17] <Joah> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RSP4BNMq7v/
[03:17] <sarnold> is_null: https://sources.debian.org/src/kmod/26-1/libkmod/libkmod-config.c/#L615 -- this sure looks like it expects some options on that line
[03:18] <is_null> removed my /et/modprobe.d/btrfs.conf in favor of /etc/modules, but still it seems like apt was interrupted before finishing, while Processing triggers, such as generating the initramfs which i might have to force running again somehow ?
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> Joah: Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint, sure fastboot & secureboot are off?
[03:19] <is_null> right, optios == NULL goto syntax_error, well maybe i haven't installed a kernel at all since i added this, but that surely made the server nicely reboot proof xD
[03:20] <is_null> which is weird because i thought it would auto load btrfs module because it's a listed driver in fstab
[03:20] <Joah> i know fastboot and secureboot are off
[03:20] <Joah> how do i disable lock debugging?
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> Joah: can i see a paste of: sudo lshw -C video too please?
[03:21] <Joah> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p95YtknGMz/
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> Joah: do you have sound at all? or stuttering audio?
[03:23] <Joah> perfect sound through that graphics card
[03:23] <Joah> via HDMI
[03:25]  * is_null reinstalling everything with apt-get --reinstall
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> Joah: how old is that sound card?
[03:26] <Joah> 2008ish
[03:26] <Joah> but it's new
[03:27] <sarnold> is_null: if that doesn't do it, try update-initramfs -k all -u    or update-initramfs -k all -c
[03:27] <sarnold> is_null: time for me to bail, have fun :)
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> Joah: all i find are old threads for that audio card, you could try a !bug but i suspect that might not gain much, as the card is 10y old
[03:32] <Joah> !bug
[03:34] <Joah> hmm
[03:34] <Joah> lotuspsychje, while going through ubuntu-bug, it reported that PCM is muted on that card
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> Joah: sudo lshw -C sound, did not show your other card?
[03:34] <Joah> but i can't find anything that says it's muted. it says to unmute it in alsamixer
[03:35] <Joah> how do i do that?
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> Joah: you mean you found another bug where it says pcm muted?
[03:35] <Joah> that does show the card
[03:35] <Joah> when filling out the bug report, apport says that PCM is muted
[03:36] <Joah> i loaded up alsamixer and typed typing M but that didn't do anything
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> Joah: check alsamixer, and see if there are any mutes enabled?
[03:38] <Joah> what indicates a mute in alsamixer?
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> Joah: that the levels are not set to 0
[03:39] <Joah> everything is 100
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> Joah: you tested pavucontrol too right?
[03:40] <Joah> yeah
[03:40] <Joah> it's at 100%
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> Joah: also your audio is set to your card, and not to the hdmi one?
[03:41] <Joah> yup
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> kk
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> Joah: well maybe proceed with your bug then, maybe something might happen, or other volunteers might have ideas to test
[03:42] <tomreyn> Joah: in alsamixer, don't miss F6 (to switch between sound cards), and tab to switch between views. and that you may be able to scroll right and left
[03:42] <Joah> yup
[03:42] <Joah> switched to the right card
[03:42] <Joah> and did tab, everything is 100%
[03:42] <Joah> the weird thing is, it's acting like it's muted and apport says PCM is muted, but everything is showing at 100%
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> Joah: tnx for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1833652
[03:43] <Joah> lotuspsychje, thank you for all your help :)
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> Joah: maybe also mention in your description, you disabled internal audio in bios
[03:43] <tomreyn> it ca be at 100% and still muted, swince muted can be a true/false (checkbox-like) option, which overrides the volume set.
[03:44] <Joah> pressing "m" doesn't do anything
[03:44] <Joah> lotuspsychje, done, thanks
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> Joah: maybe another idea to test, is the ubuntu-desktop with gnome
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> i see you on mate now
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> Joah: or even older ubuntu release, like 16.04 perhaps, to compare
[03:49] <Joah> you know, that's a great idea. i should try 16.04 on a USB stick
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> Joah: great, try to follow-up your bug too, and describe the tests you did too
[03:50] <tomreyn> Joah: i'm not really good at debugging sound, but by what i can tell from your bug reports' attached alsa-info, it should just work. what do you have plugged into the soundcard?
[03:50] <Joah> i tried two different speakers i have
[03:51] <tomreyn> and you're sure you connected that to the soundblaster and not the onboard audio, right?
[03:51] <Joah> yeah, lolol
[03:52] <tomreyn> just making sure, sorry ;)
[03:52] <Joah> i even tried every port on it, just in case
[03:52] <Joah> no, it's okay. i appreciate the help
[03:53] <tomreyn> there are also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[03:53] <TJ-> Joah: "amixer -c X" where X is the card number shown by "aplay -l" can help because it shows all the internal volume and mute settings
[03:54] <Joah> that output a lot, lol
[03:55] <Joah> let's see
[03:55] <Joah> Simple mixer control 'Line',0
[03:55] <Joah> it's showing that as "off"
[03:55] <TJ-> Joah: "pastebinit <( amixer -c X )" (replace X)
[03:55] <Joah> Simple mixer control 'Front',0
[03:55] <Joah>  is on, though
[03:56] <tomreyn> TJ-: search "Amixer output" at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/429832352/AlsaInfo.txt
[03:56] <Joah> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7b4qxpWmYf/
[03:57] <TJ-> lines 13/14 show "off"
[03:57] <Joah> how do i turn them on? lol
[03:57] <Joah> i might be a bit of a noob when it comes to this
[04:01] <Joah> ugh, lost connection
[04:01] <Joah> TJ-, how would i turn those on? i'm a bit of a noob with this
[04:02] <TJ-> Joah: I'm not sure about the syntax, but try "amixer -c 1 set PCM unmute" (replace 1 with the card index you have there)
[04:02] <Joah> amixer: Invalid command!
[04:02] <Joah> :(
[04:02] <tomreyn> amixer -c0 set PCM 100 unmute
[04:02] <tomreyn> card 0 , isnt it?
[04:02] <Joah> yup
[04:02] <Joah> it output the same thing where it says "off"
[04:02] <Joah> after i did that, tomreyn
[04:03] <tomreyn> hmm maybe   amixer -c0 set PCM toggle
[04:04] <TJ-> Joah: OK, maybe that is because its got a problem. I like 'amixer' because we can get an idea of what you see with the alsamixer TUI
[04:04] <Joah> now it says "on"
[04:04] <Joah> but still no audio
[04:04] <tomreyn> line is also off
[04:05] <TJ-> ooo, that's progress! At least it responds. Are there any other outputs "off" that we should try togggling?
[04:05] <tomreyn> in case you have the speaker connected there
[04:05] <TJ-> I'll let tomreyn figure it out :)
[04:05] <tomreyn> amixer -c0 set Line toggle
[04:05] <Joah> on now
[04:06] <Joah> but showing at 0%, sec
[04:06] <tomreyn> capture is 0, playback is 100%
[04:06] <Joah> ah
[04:07] <Joah> still nothing
[04:07] <tomreyn> Center/LFE is also off
[04:07] <Joah> still nothing
[04:08] <tomreyn> can you post another    pastebinit <( amixer -c 0 )
[04:09] <Joah> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DKVqtv8Sj8/
[04:10] <tomreyn> hmm, i can't see what's missing now
[04:12] <Joah> yeah, it's really odd
[04:13] <tomreyn> spdif is still muted, but i assume you have your speakers connected on line or front?
[04:13] <Joah> connected as front, yeah
[04:13] <Joah> analog
[04:13] <tomreyn> then i don't know :-/
[04:13] <TJ-> Joah: have you tried *recording* using a microphone or line-in to prove it works at least in one direction?
[04:13] <Joah> hmm, good idea
[04:14] <tomreyn> also pavucontrol would show whether there's actually 'sound flowing' through these devices
[04:14] <tomreyn> i.e. the meters should show.
[04:18] <Joah> recording through line in works
[04:20] <Joah> pavucontrol's meters move when sound is playing
[04:20] <Joah> but still no audio
[04:20] <tomreyn> :-/ please update your bug report with the progress we made since.
[04:20] <TJ-> Joah: do you have an external line 'vu' meter you could put on the outputs; check what voltages peak-to-peak if any are there. I'm wondering if you've got unamplified line 0.5V p-to-p
[04:21] <TJ-> Joah: something else you could try, a loop-back 3.5mm to 3.5mm stereo from output to line-in now you know line-in works
[04:21] <Joah> will try a loopback
[04:22] <Joah> no VU meter but both speakers are amplified
[04:26] <Joah> well, this is strange
[04:26] <Joah> loopback recorded audio
[04:26] <Joah> but i don't actually get anything with the speaker connected
[04:26] <Joah> so the levels coming out have to be really low
[04:27] <Joah> okay, even weirder, recording i still get audio even when the cable isn't connected
[04:27] <Joah> something is definitely not right
[04:28] <Gallomimia> i guess you have a second mic hidden somewhere in your system
[04:28] <Gallomimia> what audio do you actually get?
[04:28] <Joah> recording input is set as line in on the card
[04:28] <Joah> i get the music i was playing
[04:28] <Gallomimia> ah.
[04:29] <Gallomimia> is there perhaps two audio routing systems running? jackd and also pulse audio?
[04:29] <Joah> there shouldn't be, no
[04:29] <Gallomimia> well, there shouldn't be. but is there?
[04:29] <Joah> how would i check?
[04:30] <Gallomimia> that i'm not certain
[04:30] <Gallomimia> you do have pa running... maybe search for jackd with ps -ax
[04:31] <Gallomimia>  and pipe it to | grep jack*
[04:32] <Joah> no jackd
[04:32] <TJ-> Joah: it is starting to look like an internal routing/mixing issue
[04:32] <Gallomimia> alas, i'm no expert; i just sound like one
[04:33] <TJ-> Joah: is this a new Ubunt install or been in use for a while?
[04:33] <Joah> installed a couple days ago
[04:34] <TJ-> Joah: regular Ubuntu not Ubuntu Studio?
[04:34] <Joah> just ubuntu mate
[04:34] <TJ-> Joah: I'm wondering if this is all due to a bad audio device
[04:34] <Joah> i'm starting to wonder that, too
[04:35] <TJ-> Joah: any possibility of testing it in a different motherboard?
[04:35] <Gallomimia> can we check on the drivers for such a device?
[04:36] <Gallomimia> got any other audio devices? USB breakout box?
[04:36] <TJ-> I have to leave now, hope you get it sorted
[04:37] <Joah> TJ-, thanks for your help, much appreciated
[04:37] <Joah> i don't have another motherboard, unfortunately
[04:38] <Joah> when playing audio through it and recording line in, i get a perfect recording of what's playing even when there's no cable connected
[04:38] <Joah> adjusting the playback volume while recording works, too
[04:38] <Joah> really strange
[04:39] <Gallomimia> that is pretty weird. i wonder if there's something built into your monitor
[04:39] <Gallomimia> spooky too. like, your computer can hear what you're saying all the time
[04:40] <Gallomimia> orwellian
[04:42] <Gallomimia> or do you mean it's recording what your computer is playing?
[04:42] <Gallomimia> that's called play-thru. there has to be a setting you can turn off somewhere
[05:55] <Gallomimia> that's the second time i overheated the cpu. no overclock with a stock cooler
[05:55] <Gallomimia> i think i'm missing some motherboard drivers.
[06:02] <Gallomimia> !sensors | gallomimia
[06:08] <blackflow> Gallomimia: you can also /msg the bot for even less noise in the chan ;)
[06:59] <jwhitmore> Hello all, I'm trying to find details on the Ubuntu 16.04 Linux Kernel 4.8.0-53 Wondering is it still maintained by anybody or when it was last maintained
[07:05] <Ben64> jwhitmore: no longer supported
[07:05] <Flannel> jwhitmore: I don't see a -53.  I see -52 and -54 (here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-4.8&searchon=names&suite=xenial&section=all)  Clicking into one of those packages and looking at the changelog puts the last date (for -52 and -54) at 6 June 2019.
[07:06] <jwhitmore> Thank you, I know that it's probably no longer supported, but wanted to see when the last patch was applied.
[07:06] <Ben64> august 2017, probably
[07:08] <Flannel> jwhitmore: Oh right.  Sorry, that changelog file isn't for that particular package, but the source package.  So that june 6 rev was for 4.15.0
[07:09] <jwhitmore> Flannel, thank for that link, I don't see a 53 but there are versions up to a -58 unfortunately no date listed though
[07:09] <Ben64> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=16.04.x+Ubuntu+Kernel+Support+Schedule.svg shows 4.8 branch support ending aug 2017
[07:13] <jwhitmore> Ben64, deadly thanks for that link. I was trying to see had somebody else, apart from Cannonical taken up the baton and continued publishing security patches but obviously not
[07:14] <Ben64> jwhitmore: you can go down to 4.4 or up to 4.15, no reason to stay on 4.8
[07:15] <jwhitmore> Ben I was just looking at on that diagram you sent. It looks like there's support for 4.15 until Apr 2021
[07:16] <Ben64> correct, that's the end of life for 16.04
[07:17] <jwhitmore> Thanks a million for your help!
[07:43] <gofio> when on ubuntu 18.04 with gnome3 and firefox 67.03, let say on about:performance from firefox I have 4 tabs running consuming 200mb. But when completely closing firefox from htop tells me let say 1G ram has been freed. Whose those 800mb difference is, ubuntu's pilling up stuff, or firefox's? thanks
[07:46] <lupulo> gofio, https://github.com/profiler-tools/memprof-addon
[07:49] <gofio> lupulo: thanks. And nice nick btw, we could make beer together
[07:50] <lupulo> gofio, https://profiler.firefox.com/ it is more friednly but the pattern of searching is that
[07:52] <gofio> lupulo: so you think is more firefox issue
[07:53] <gofio> it looks they're throwing new versions pretty quick as of late. From 67.00 to 67.03 in less than two weeks ¿?
[07:56] <lupulo> gofio, no idea about developer teams and QA teams
[07:56] <lupulo> gofio, sure, firefox neither ubuntu are debian
[07:57] <gofio> lupulo: it's funny to me your nick cuz I'm trying (actually) to find seeds of what your nick means in spanish which it's hops, and no way I can find it, nor many people actually know wtf it is. Wonder how that ended up as nick, but never mind
[07:57] <gofio> lupulo: debian?
[07:57] <gofio> oh you mean they update
[07:58] <lupulo> Developer -> Test -> QA -> update
[07:58] <gofio> :/ :whatever:
[07:59] <lupulo> gofio, https://quality.mozilla.org/
[08:00] <lupulo> it could be blablabla or really satisfaction (Rolling stone sense ;-) like chrome )
[08:03] <gofio> lupulo: I'm not floating in ram excess, not even 4g, but it seems firefox is makin its own calculations about what the limit of memory to use, which it seems around 200mb or 250, so while on something is not above that, everything goes fine, but as soon it goes above it, say to 350mb, cpu usage from firefox goes to the roof, while there're still plenty of free ram. So trying to figure out the balance there
[08:03] <lupulo> gofio, you could reclaim to the QA Team more not functional requirements
[08:04] <gofio> not many resources so if in order to "profile" those resources I need more resources....as add ons or whatever, like htop sometimes using 15% of cpu, not very fan of that
[08:05] <gofio> lupulo: are you spanish native by any chance?
[08:06] <lupulo> why are you italian?
[08:08] <gofio> lupulo: not but close. Closer than chinese for example. Ciao, and auguri, that's pretty much all my italian
[08:09] <lupulo> greek
[08:09] <gofio> so maybe that lupulo comes more from wolf than from the plant. I see
[08:09] <lupulo> hahaha
[08:09] <gofio> cool. So glad I don't have to deal with greek keyboards :)
[08:10] <lupulo> there is aggresive plants too, do you play plants vs zoombies :-)
[08:10] <gofio> enough with spanish ones in an english world
[08:10] <gofio> lupulo in spanish means hobs, the plant is used to make beer
[08:11] <gofio> but lupus is wolf in latin as well, so. Actually Lopez is a spanish last name, it seems one of the oldest ones, as it comes from the romans, from the twins legend of the Rome foundation and all that.
[08:11] <gofio> lupulo: thanks
[08:29] <gofio> is there a ubuntu-firefox channel?
[08:32] <andre144k> hi all
[08:34] <andre144k> im using "rsync -avP /src /dest" - /dest is mounted nfs3 share. while trasfering very small files this rsync have only transfer-rates less then 1mb/s - anyone have an idea how to optimzie this?
[08:34] <andre144k> when i sync a 1gb file its transfered in 10-20seks...
[08:43] <gofio> what's the keyboard shortcut in ubuntu 18.04 gnome3 to copy a line from htop?
[08:44] <coconut> gofio: probably ctrl+shift+c
[08:45] <gofio> tried shift+left mouse button but did notwork, ctrl+shift+c seems it does not either :/
[08:48] <coconut> gofio: does work in top, but not in htop here too
[08:51] <gofio> coconut: :/
[08:52] <coconut> gofio: this one works for me -> https://superuser.com/questions/809989/is-there-a-way-to-copy-text-in-htop#809999
[08:53] <gofio> coconut: wow did you changed font size?
[08:53] <coconut> nope
[08:53] <gofio> k
[08:54] <gofio> there are two answers which one worked for you
[08:54] <coconut> last one
[08:54] <coconut> and just step 3
[08:55] <gofio> "Is there a way to copy text in htop?" "So at the moment I conclude that the answer to your question is "no"."
[08:55] <gofio> coconut: cool, ty
[08:56] <coconut> no works here
[08:56] <gofio> looks like a trick for a tv show xD
[08:56] <tomreyn> andre144k: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/#section_b discusses some configurations relevant to performance.
[08:57] <gofio> I'm half way. Hope will get it done before sun sets
[08:57] <gofio> coconut: thanks. Promising :)
[08:58] <gofio> at least i could select text
[08:58] <coconut> gofio: it works, you just have to be fast enough
[08:59] <coconut> aka copy before text gets unselected
[09:00] <andre144k> tomreyn, thank you, ill analyze this
[09:02] <gofio> coconut: yeap, still didn't do it but not only that you're telling me you've done it, but it also looks like it works, is just too many issues here at the same time. My rant is for all that it needs just to copy a single line :)
[09:27] <wooosaiiii> I just recently switched from ubuntu 14 to 18. I really liked the 14 LTS :) well time to upgrade... anyway I had a shortcut in unity to move current window to another monitor (Super + '<'). If I kept pressing this shortcut the window would bound back and forth between both monitors... i cannot find anything similar for gnome desktop... all I can do is Super + Shift + "left arrow" to move window to left monitor or Super + Shift + "right arro
[09:27] <wooosaiiii> w" to move window to right monitor...
[09:27] <wooosaiiii> this is inefficient since I have to use my both hands... moving my right hand away from the mouse...
[09:28] <wooosaiiii> any one with the same issue? :D
[09:32] <CryptoSiD> Hi, "who" and "w" will show the hostname if the ssh connection is made using ipv4 but not when the ssh connection is made by ipv6. How can I change this?
[09:32] <CryptoSiD> So it also show the hostname when usign ipv6
[09:32] <blackflow> give your ipv6 a rDNS?
[09:32] <tomreyn> wooosaiiii: you can change keyboard shortcuts in settings -> devices -> keyboard.
[09:32] <CryptoSiD> it already does
[09:33] <CryptoSiD> CentOS show the hostname but not ubuntu / debian
[09:33] <CryptoSiD> When connecting with ipv6.
[09:33] <CryptoSiD> Freebsd also show the hostname
[09:33] <blackflow> !enter | CryptoSiD
[09:33] <CryptoSiD> sorry, bad irc habits :)
[09:38] <wooosaiiii> tomreyn, true... but I cannot find the "Move windows to another monitor" just "Move window one monitor to the left/right" which is not what I want... :(
[09:41] <tomreyn> wooosaiiii: you could try and continue to run unity, or adapt.
[09:42] <wooosaiiii> tomreyn, looks like I will have to adapt... since ubuntu dropped support for unity I guess it won't stick around for long anymore...
[09:53] <tomreyn> wooosaiiii: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ubuntu-unity-desktop
[10:13] <jwtiyar> hey
[10:13] <jwtiyar> iam working with transaltion of ubuntu to my language
[10:14] <jwtiyar> now i set my system language to native language
[10:14] <jwtiyar> how i can get live translation to my system when any translation added to laucnhpad translation
[10:17] <geirha> wooosaiiii: while holding down super, you can click and drag, anywhere in the window, to move it around. Not exactly what you want, but perhaps a slightly better workaround
[10:21] <jwtiyar> ?
[10:21] <tomreyn> jwtiyar: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact for contacts to the translation coordination, they'll probably know
[10:22] <tomreyn> oh i see you asked on the mailing list already and got no response. :-/
[10:23] <jwtiyar> tomreyn, yes i did , and been a week no response
[10:24] <jwtiyar> i dont know where to ask
[10:25] <tomreyn> jwtiyar: did you try asking on the irc channel?
[10:25] <jwtiyar> ubuntu-translators?
[10:25] <jwtiyar> now i went there
[10:25] <jwtiyar> looks like no one active
[10:25] <tomreyn> yes, #ubuntu-translators
[10:26] <jwtiyar> tomreyn, i hope they answer two person there nad they are not active now
[10:28] <tomreyn> jwtiyar: another option is to write directly to the translation coordinators: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translations-coordinators
[10:28] <jwtiyar> tomreyn, i thought not allowed to direct message them
[10:30] <jwtiyar> tomreyn, there is just bug tab , my question is not a bug
[10:30] <tomreyn> jwtiyar: well you tried the mailing list, got no response, so this seems like the next fallback option (to me): https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-translations-coordinators/+contactuser
[10:31] <jwtiyar> tomreyn, thank you bro now will email them.
[10:33] <tomreyn> good luck
[10:39] <sorin-mihai> i'm facing some problems on a system with multiple nvidia GPU cards which i want to use with cuda, but keep xorg only on the intel GPU. anyone able to help me (re)configure xorg properly?
[11:31] <TheWild> hello
[11:32] <TheWild> why do you pack in distro that worse version of netcat (without -c and -e)?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> TheWild: whats the relation to ubuntu please?
[11:36] <ikanobori> lotuspsychje: They're complaining about the version of nc that is present in Ubuntu.
[11:36] <blackflow> TheWild: apt remove netcat-openbsd && apt install netcat
[11:36] <blackflow> indeed, the default netcat is stupid
[11:39] <Gargoyle> I guess the more diplomatic question would be, what's the difference between the two?
[11:39] <blackflow> Gargoyle: available options
[11:40] <TheWild> one lacks -c and -e
[11:40] <TheWild> ;D
[11:40] <Gargoyle> Yeah, but why are they both being maintained in the distro?
[11:40] <TheWild> okay, thanks blackflow. Wiped that scaundrel and installed netcat (alias of netcat-traditional)
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> TheWild: make a wishlist bug, the user does have influence too
[11:40] <ioria> the  reverse backdoor shell
[11:42] <blackflow> Gargoyle: and the $1M question is, why is -openbsd one the default, and a dependency of ubuntu-minimal even.
[11:45] <Gargoyle> That one would probably be answered with the same answer. Once you have a rationale for having both, then I guess that would reveal why -openbsd version is the default.
[11:47] <blackflow> technically it's the "original" netcat
[11:48] <blackflow> actually, no, wait, it isn't.
[11:48] <thsnr> [netcat-openbsd] contains the OpenBSD rewrite of netcat, including support for IPv6, proxies, and Unix sockets.
[11:48] <thsnr> [netcat-traditional] is the "classic" netcat, written by *Hobbit*. It lacks many features found in netcat-openbsd.
[11:48] <thsnr> (from package descriptions)
[12:35] <Sven_vB> how can I configure apt on xenial to never install untrusted packages, just warn about them, never pause to ask whether it should?
[12:37] <Sven_vB> my current hack is to have three extra apt runs, one to simulare, one to put offending packages on hold, then after, a 3rd to unhold them. takes forever though because now my upgrade process has four times rebuilding the apt database.
[12:38] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: what are you defining as untrusted, and where are you finding these packages?
[12:38] <vuks> if the untrusted packages are coming from a single source, just comment that source out in apt sources file
[12:55] <furycd001> HI.. Is there any way to show my ubuntu version in the terminal without any extra text ??
[12:55] <leftyfb> lsb_release -ds
[12:56] <leftyfb> or lsb_release -rs  # if you just want the number
[12:56] <furycd001> Thank you :) I was using  >> lsb_release -a 2>/dev/null | grep -i 'Description' <<  but I didn't want the description text. Thank you again :)
[12:56] <leftyfb> man lsb_release
[12:56] <furycd001> Thanks :)
[12:57] <leftyfb> in that case: lsb_release -a 2>/dev/null | awk '/Description/ {print $3}'
[12:58] <leftyfb> or: lsb_release -ds|awk '{print $2}'
[12:59] <gofio> chromium or chrome?
[12:59] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: The only place I could think that you would get untrusted packages would be from a PPA you have added, removing those will remove the untrusted packages
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:20] <lyiriyah> henlo
[13:24] <Sven_vB> sorry for the delay. I meant packages whose signatures could not be verified or failed verification,
[13:25] <Sven_vB> this mostly happens when I have no network uplink and my local mirror is partially out of date.
[13:26] <Sven_vB> in that case I still want to upgrade all the packages that my mirror has.
[13:26] <Sven_vB> well, all the recent ones at least.
[13:26] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, ^
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: So the question is, is there a way to allow apt to install packages with verified signatures, and skip any that do not?
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> *install/upgrade
[13:33] <LinuxLeprechaun> what is the syntax inside of /etc/pam.d/sudo to modify so that using either a password or another authentication method (rather than requiring both) for sudo?
[13:33] <LinuxLeprechaun> asking in the context of https://support.yubico.com/support/solutions/articles/15000011356-ubuntu-linux-login-guide-u2f which targets requiring both password and an external hardware key
[13:33] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, oh you're right, just answering "no" would abort the entire upgrade. indeed, I want it to just skip as few as possible.
[13:34] <LinuxLeprechaun> i tried using the line "auth    sufficient      pam_u2f.so" (replacing "required" with "sufficient") but that is not enough. not clear on syntax for daisy chaining possible options
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Using apt-get, it looks like the argument "-m" is what you are looking for. It will ignore and hold back missing or failed integrity check packages
[13:40] <on3pk> Good morning, everyone.  I'm trying to follow this answer from stack overflow: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6905697/how-to-run-script-as-another-user-without-password   I try to run my script but it keeps asking for a password :\
[13:41] <on3pk> The line in visudo is "pi ALL=(convert) NOPASSWD: /home/convert/bin/test.sh" (no quotes)
[13:42] <rypervenche> on3pk: And what command are you running afterward from the command line?
[13:42] <on3pk> sudo -u convert /home/convert/bin/test.sh
[13:42] <on3pk> Is this something where a service needs to get restarted or something?
[13:44] <david_z> Hi all, I've been wresiling with Juniper Network/Pulse Secure. I've managed to install Pulse Secure but as it's a private certificate I need to use it fails when I connect with "Unacceptable TLS certificate". Does anyone have any knowlage in this area?
[13:45] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, looks good, thanks!
[13:46] <b1ack0p> hi. i created another user in ubuntu but i cannot create a folder in there
[13:46] <b1ack0p> from my current user
[13:46] <b1ack0p> how can i do that?
[13:47] <david_z> black0p have you tried using sudo mkdir?
[13:47] <b1ack0p> how to create folders and copy paste ?
[13:47] <b1ack0p> no
[13:48] <b1ack0p> but without command line can not do that?
[13:48] <on3pk> so I'm not gonna sit here and ask questions, but that .sh file was supposed to call a binary.  I changed the visudo to let me call the binary directly and doing that doesn't give me any problems.
[13:48] <david_z> as you are trying to create a folder for another user you need administration privileges. Therefor write "sudo mkdir <folder name>"
[13:48] <blackflow> b1ack0p: essentially you can't with the file manager, unless you run it as root. better go to command line and use sudo to mkdir, dont' forget to chown the resulting dir to the appropriate user
[13:49] <b1ack0p> ok but now how can i copy paste to that location?
[13:50] <b1ack0p> from my user to another user?
[13:50] <rypervenche> on3pk: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with your sudoers file line. However, if that user needs escalated privileges to access something that your script needs, then you'll also need to think about that.
[13:50] <blackflow> b1ack0p: sudo cp /path/to/source/file /path/to/destination/file
[13:50] <coz_> ^^^ I just didnt type fast enough
[13:51] <b1ack0p> thx let me try
[13:51] <gofio> what's the command in ubuntu 18.04 to know my cpu details?
[13:51] <blackflow> b1ack0p: you'll need -r for cp if what you're copying is a directory
[13:52] <b1ack0p> how can i delete created folder?
[13:52] <b1ack0p> -r removes?
[13:52] <blackflow> gofio: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[13:52] <blackflow> b1ack0p: `man cp` will tell you more about the options
[13:52] <coz_> rm
[13:52] <david_z> black0p deletion: rm -d <folder nam>
[13:52] <gofio> blackflow: thanks model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5470  @ 1.60GHz nice nick btw
[13:53] <david_z> black0p you probebly even want: rm -rd <folder nam>
[13:53] <b1ack0p> yes
[13:54] <blackflow> b1ack0p: if you're using sudo with that, be extra careful. the command line has no undo nor trash bin.
[13:54] <blackflow> (extra = more than usual when using rm which is when you should be very careful anyway)
[13:54] <b1ack0p> ok
[13:54] <gofio> and by the way, chromium does not make any difference over firefox on the same website issue, on ubuntu 18.04 both
[13:55] <blackflow> what issue?
[13:55] <on3pk> rypervenche, I needed to run a command as a specific user and my thought is making that command accessible without a password is better than giving other users sudo access
[13:58] <Apachez> happy midsummer everyone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvby-c_KbNg
[13:59] <david_z> on3pk why do you need to impersonate the user? Is it not better to just inact the change as a superuser?
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> on3pk: Have you tried logging out and back in again?
[14:01] <on3pk> pragmaticenigma, oh, I guess I didn't...
[14:01] <on3pk> david_z, well it's a command that is going to be run on many occassions, I think
[14:01] <blackflow> that wouldn't be needed for sudoer changes. I'm guessing it's the same problem as the other day with -i ... the shell needs to be added as a sudoers rule
[14:03] <rypervenche> on3pk: Also be aware that that user can change that script to do anything and have root privileges to essentially do anything.
[14:04] <blackflow> yup, sudo "executables" should be owned by root
[14:05] <on3pk> well...  I'll keep that in mind if I ever use something other than a raspberry pi...
[14:05] <on3pk> But I did change it so the binary in the /usr/bin directory is called directly, instead of through the .sh file
[14:14] <supermasterblast> the 4.15.0-52-generic kernel crashes on boot when it gets to "Reached target local Encrypted Volumes". I was wondering if there is a newer kernel I can install. if so what is the best way to do that
[14:15] <supermasterblast> or should I just stick with 4.4.0-127
[14:22] <b1ack0p> when i run command " sudo gedit file" it returns with "Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[14:22] <b1ack0p> (gedit:5721): Gtk-WARNING **: 17:21:28.195: cannot open display:
[14:23] <b1ack0p> what can i do?
[14:24] <OerHeks> just gtk warnings..
[14:24] <b1ack0p> but it doesnt open actual file
[14:25] <an3223> try sudo -H instead of sudo?
[14:25] <b1ack0p> doesnt work
[14:26] <OerHeks> install nautilus-admin, so you can open them as administrator from nautilus filemanager
[14:26] <OerHeks> but sudo gedit should normally work, with wornings though
[14:26] <b1ack0p> i dont know why it doesnt work
[14:27] <OerHeks> maybe because of wayland, not sure
[14:28] <an3223> sudo -E gedit
[14:29] <b1ack0p> an3223: nope
[14:29] <b1ack0p> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[14:29] <b1ack0p> (gedit:10839): Gtk-WARNING **: 17:29:02.152: cannot open display:
[14:29] <an3223> weird, i just tested it and that works for me
[14:29] <b1ack0p> i created new user maybe something missing on the user
[14:30] <OerHeks> install nautilus-admin
[14:30] <b1ack0p> installed
[14:31] <b1ack0p> how can i run it?
[14:32] <OerHeks> restart nautilus after install, and the right mouse menu gives  'Edit as Administrator'
[14:33] <b1ack0p> i wish i knew to restart nautilus
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> ctrl+l in nautilus and you can admin:/// too
[14:35] <b1ack0p> ctrl+l shows  location in address bar
[14:36] <b1ack0p> i mean location address at top bar of the file manager
[14:36] <b1ack0p> let me reboot
[14:36] <b1ack0p> maybe it works after that
[15:03] <coconut> Any package available to get better fonts under firefox?
[15:10] <david_z> So is anyone familiar with Juniper Network Connect/Pulse Secure?
[15:11] <blackflow> david_z: very much offtopic here, don't you think? :)
[15:15] <david_z> blackflow well I'm not really sure where to turn with the issue, I've installed Pulse Connect on Ubuntu 18.04 but I get an issue as soon as I try to connect with "Unacceptable TLS certificate". And I'm thinking this has something to do with the certificate I try to use.
[15:16] <blackflow> david_z: perhaps ask the PulseSecure themselves? From what I see, it's a paid, proprietary piece of software?
[15:19] <david_z> Yes, it's just that I'm the Linux maveric in a Windows shop and have finally got the go ahead to use Linux. However my company uses this VPN that cause me major headaces :/
[15:20] <blackflow> david_z: so they're bound to offer some support for the software you paid for.
[15:23] <OerHeks> so, you did not search yourself for "ubuntu pulse connect TLS certificate" >>>  https://kb.pulsesecure.net/articles/Pulse_Secure_Article/KB43927
[15:25] <ertyui> hi there
[15:26] <JoeLlama> oh my is that the ertyui I used to know?
[15:26] <JoeLlama> back then was ertyu
[15:27] <JoeLlama> I 'member it was five letters in a row on the kb
[15:28] <ertyui> hi JoeLlama
[15:28] <ertyui> maybe
[15:28] <JoeLlama> hee hee
[15:28] <ertyui> well the question is :
[15:28] <JoeLlama> it was a long time ago
[15:28] <JoeLlama> probably on an electronics channel
[15:28] <JoeLlama> how long have you been on IRC ertyu?
[15:28] <JoeLlama> I'm thinking EFNet
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> ertyui, JoeLlama ... welcome to the #ubuntu support channel. We're glad you're here, however, if you'd like to chat, please head on over to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thanks
[15:29] <blackflow> guys please keep it about Ubuntu support here. there's #ubuntu-offtopic for reminiscing long lost times.
[15:29] <JoeLlama> ya I was gunna say
[15:29] <ertyui> i try to put on my crontab @reboot /script/start.sh
[15:29] <ertyui> but once you restart the system the change not take effective
[15:30] <ertyui> is there any other thing to activate ?
[15:33] <blackflow> ertyui: I'd create a regular (Type=oneshot) systemd service. using crontab for that is rather hacky these days. but if you really insist on crontab, where/how did you create it?
[15:35] <ertyui> there is nothing to create
[15:35] <blackflow> what do you mean?
[15:35] <ertyui> just add "@reboot /script/start.sh" on crontab -e
[15:35] <ertyui> just only
[15:36] <blackflow> is the script executable?
[15:36] <ertyui> yes of course
[15:37] <blackflow> ertyui: make a systemd service. there's apparently issues with crontab for taht:  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/109804/crontabs-reboot-only-works-for-root
[15:37] <ioria> ertyui, what does that script do ? and where is located exactly ? is your home folder encrypted ?
[15:39] <ertyui> just loading iptables as user root
[15:39] <ertyui> it in root home
[15:39] <ertyui> not encrypted
[15:41] <blackflow> ertyui: write a systemd service unit. here's an example how: https://gist.github.com/drmalex07/d006f12914b21198ee43#define-the-service-unit
[15:41] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/iptables-persistent
[15:42] <ioria> ertyui, i'd say a path
[15:42] <ioria> *issue
[15:43] <ioria> ertyui,  with /sbin, i mean (not sure)
[15:45] <ioria> ertyui,  try to add a path :   PATH=/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin
[15:45] <ertyui> ok let me check
[15:53] <ertyui> that's perfect
[15:53] <ertyui> works fine with systemed system
[15:53] <ertyui> service
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> ertyui: One other question, were you editing with "crontab -e" or "sudo crontab -e" ??
[16:00] <ertyui> just crontab -e as root
[16:00] <ertyui> ???
[16:01] <ertyui> well also find the issue related with crontab
[16:02] <ertyui> as said ioria
[16:02] <ertyui> it's related with path issue
[16:02] <ertyui> where the script is located
[16:02] <ertyui> thanks all
[16:03] <ioria> iptables is in /sbin, but cron  forcibly sets path to /usr/bin:/bin, so you need to integrate
[16:04] <ertyui> ok will done
[16:27] <subcool> Hey, looking for help. i asked this in another channel, but appearently >> I << was too CONFUSED to get a reply.
[16:27] <leftyfb> !ask | subcool
[16:28] <subcool> I have two Nic cards, Wifi and Eth. - Wifi reaches router, Eth goes to Adhoc computer. I manually setup the adhoc on a different network, but put the Router as the gateway, The wifi network is DHCP.
[16:28] <subcool> https://pastebin.com/cEAdp6sn
[16:29] <subcool> Being that im CONFUSED - how do i set this up? When ever i connect the Eth cable, i lose internet.
[16:29] <leftyfb> subcool: don't put a gateway for the wired if you're only communicating with devices on that network through that interface
[16:30] <subcool> leftyfb, Thank you- that did it.
[17:00] <jhutchins_wk> Is ubuntu dropping 32b multiarch support, or just native 32b installs?
[17:01] <ryuo> jhutchins_wk: everything.
[17:03] <Ultron> installed ubuntu for gaming then 32 bit libs being dropped?
[17:03] <Ultron> what kind of dumb move is that
[17:03] <jhutchins_wk> No more Brother printers.
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> Ultron: this is not the complaints channel, move to #ubuntu-discuss for discussions
[17:07] <b1ack0p> hi
[17:07] <b1ack0p> how can i remove the user i created and remove the user directory?
[17:07] <b1ack0p> i did deluser username and then deluser --remove-home username
[17:08] <b1ack0p> but directory still exists
[17:08] <teward> did you consider just doing `sudo rm /home/USERNAME` ?
[17:08] <teward> and deleting the directory yourself?
[17:08] <b1ack0p> hmm
[17:08] <b1ack0p> as root or as user?
[17:08] <teward> `sudo rm -r /home/USERNAME`
[17:08] <teward> sudo will run it as root if the user is in sudoers
[17:08] <teward> you would need to be root to delete their user dir OR to do deluser anyways
[17:08] <teward> or use sudo :p
[17:09] <b1ack0p> thx :)
[17:09] <b1ack0p> removed now
[17:16] <JPSB> I am trying to zero out a hard drive that I'm sending for RMA... it has a couple bad sectors, using dd but getting input/output errors. Command I'm running is sudo dd if=/dev/zero | pv | sudo dd of=/dev/sda
[17:17] <JPSB> Getting an error message of dd: writing to 'dev'sda': Input/output error  and 0 bytes copied
[17:18] <JPSB> I tried doing ATA secure erase before this however it said it was going to take 1.5 months (it's an 8 TB drive) and I couldn't do that so I had to abort it, so that may be part of the problem
[17:18] <JPSB> Any ideas?
[17:18] <leftyfb> JPSB: try shred
[17:18] <leftyfb> JPSB: https://askubuntu.com/a/17650
[17:19] <b1ack0p> in this ppa : deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian <mydist> contrib
[17:19] <b1ack0p> what should i write for <mydist>  for 18.04.2 ?
[17:19] <JPSB> Will shred take a super long time on an 8 TB disk though? I'm wondering because I read that dd and writing zeroes was faster
[17:20] <JPSB> super long time = months, not days
[17:20] <leftyfb> blackflow: You'll have to seek support from virtualbox.org for that
[17:21] <b1ack0p> should i just do sudo apt install virtualbox for supported version?
[17:21] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: yes
[17:21] <b1ack0p> will ubuntu later update it automatic?
[17:21] <leftyfb> !latest | b1ack0p
[17:22] <b1ack0p> ok
[17:22] <b1ack0p> latest is 6.0
[17:22] <b1ack0p> installing 5.2.18
[17:23] <rfm> b1ack0p, you'll get more up to date from the virtualbox.org.  the tist name is "bionic".
[17:23] <b1ack0p> let me try
[17:23] <leftyfb> rfm: I'm not sure that is a good assumption since the URL is assuming /debian
[17:24] <JPSB> leftyfb: I'm getting input/output errors using shred as well.
[17:24] <b1ack0p> when i write bionic there it gives error
[17:24] <leftyfb> JPSB: you will get I/O errors with any tool you use since the drive is bad
[17:24] <b1ack0p> what if i write ubuntu instead of debian?
[17:25] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: https://tecadmin.net/install-virtualbox-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[17:25] <dreamcat4> hey there i seem to be having a packaging dilemma. is there a channel where i can ask about apt ?
[17:25] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: or just use the version that is available in the ubuntu repos and supported here. We cannot provide support for this here.
[17:25] <leftyfb> dreamcat4: maybe try #ubuntu-devel
[17:25] <JPSB> leftyfb how can I overwrite it then? or get the tools to skip the errors?  keep in mind I was just using this in a NAS. It's not physically clicking or anything. I'm RMAing it as prevention not out of pure necessity.
[17:26] <rfm> b1ack0p, no, debian is right (it's the packaging system).  what error did you get? you need to purge the virtualbox package from the ubuntu rep before installing virtualbox-6.0 from the virtualbox.org one
[17:27] <JPSB> disk util (gui) in lubuntu says "Disk is OK, 2 bad sectors"
[17:27] <leftyfb> JPSB: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/229354/how-to-ignore-write-errors-while-zeroing-a-disk
[17:28] <b1ack0p> just sudo apt install virtualbox-6.0
[17:28] <b1ack0p> no need ppa
[17:28] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: please follow the link I gave you
[17:28] <b1ack0p> ok
[17:31] <b1ack0p> leftyfb: N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'contrib/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[17:32] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: you not going to get it working on a 32bit system. Time to get a new computer
[17:32] <teward> b1ack0p: virtualbox only has amd64 packages, virtualization on 32bit is *dead* and has been for ages
[17:32] <teward> time for an upgrade if you only have a 32bit OS/computer
[17:33] <JPSB> leftyfb : Ok running badblocks on it as in article. It's on "testing with random pattern" - Thanks
[17:55] <b1ack0p> leftyfb: my computer is 64bit
[17:55] <b1ack0p> a ThinkPad
[17:55] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: type: arch
[17:55] <b1ack0p> runnin 64bit ubuntu and win10 dual boot
[17:55] <b1ack0p> leftyfb: :~$ arch
[17:55] <b1ack0p> x86_64
[17:56] <b1ack0p> it is a legendary ThinkPad .p
[17:56] <b1ack0p> i m a proud owner .p
[17:56] <b1ack0p> T400 11 yrs old laptop
[17:56] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox*   # paste to pastebin
[17:57] <b1ack0p> leftyfb: are we going to add to sources.list ?
[17:57] <b1ack0p> i dont wanna ruin source list :/
[17:57] <b1ack0p> last time it gave me a lot of problems
[17:57] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: didn't you already add the repo?
[17:57] <b1ack0p> yes
[17:57] <b1ack0p> can i at least save original source list?
[17:58] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: it's a separate file from your main sources.list
[17:58] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: I'm asking you to just post the contents of the repo you added
[17:58] <b1ack0p> ok
[17:58] <b1ack0p> cat: '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox*': No such file or directory
[17:59] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: grep -R virtualbox /etc/apt/sources*
[18:00] <b1ack0p> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jM2bVbCbxm/
[18:03] <vimar> Hi
[18:03] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic contrib  to deb [ arch=amd64 ] http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic contrib
[18:03] <leftyfb> you're adding [ arch=amd64 ] after "deb"
[18:04] <b1ack0p> ok
[18:05] <b1ack0p> leftyfb: done
[18:05] <b1ack0p> now can i apply other commands ?
[18:05] <leftyfb> b1ack0p: sudo apt update ; sudo apt install virtualbox-6.0
[18:06] <b1ack0p> ok
[18:06] <b1ack0p> 238mb
[18:06] <b1ack0p> double size of 5
[18:06] <b1ack0p> thx leftyfb
[18:27] <bartje> anyone familiar with supercollider here? I think I have quite a bug...
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> can you provide a bit more details bartje ?
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> bartje: It's better to ask your queston than to ask if anyone knows anything. volunteers are more likely to help when they have more information upfront
[18:29] <bartje> sure, the documentation in the IDE does not work.
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> bartje: wich ubuntu version, and can you elaborate on 'does not work' please?
[18:31] <bartje> pragmaticenigma: I think it's more likely a supercollider user will have experienced the same issue, and a bit of an introduction is just being friendly
[18:31] <bartje> well, some shows up, moest doesn't, the example code does not render in the help browser
[18:31] <bartje> I've uninstalled, re-installed, to no avail
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> bartje: so you click the example and it redirects to an empty page?
[18:32] <bartje> no, the code should be between the blocks of text.
[18:33] <bartje> when selecting it and pressing shift enter, it should even play...
[18:33] <bartje> but, no example code, and only the beginner documentation shows up
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> bartje: ubuntu 18.04?
[18:33] <bartje> no browsing, the search entry doesn't work, no lists of classes
[18:33] <bartje> no, it's 19.04
[18:34] <bartje> supercollider 3.10.0
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> bartje: did you compare with suppercollider from 18.04 as a test?
[18:34] <bartje> yes, well, 18.10, where everything just worked
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> bartje: ok tnx then that sounds like a bug indeed
[18:35] <bartje> i thought maybe I can find another usere here, who might have the same issue... then it certainly is
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> bartje: i would advice to create the bug and start from there, describe your steps taken, share the bug ID here, maybe volunteers & devs might have more ideas for you
[18:36] <bartje> ok, thanks, will do :-)
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> bartje: ubuntu-bug suppercollider
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> supercollider
[18:37] <bartje> supper would be nice too :-)
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:39] <b1ack0p> is installing Nero Burning Rom good idea for ubuntu?
[18:39] <b1ack0p> i still have cd/dvd burner
[18:40] <b1ack0p> and it might be nostalgia
[18:40] <alienz> is it even running on modern linux? )
[18:41] <b1ack0p> https://www.itsmarttricks.com/how-to-install-nero-linux-burning-rom-software-in-ubuntu-18-04/
[18:41] <b1ack0p> seems so but not free
[18:41] <b1ack0p> i like old laptops.. feeling nice
[18:41] <coconut> b1ack0p: i don't think a lot of people use nero here b1ack0p. They propably stick with the DE defaults.
[18:42] <b1ack0p> yea
[18:42] <alienz> or growisofs package and such
[18:42] <b1ack0p> i installed Brasero
[18:42] <b1ack0p> i have Roxio in windows
[18:43] <b1ack0p> i consider to buy a usb floppy disk later :p
[18:43] <b1ack0p> i miss the sound floppy drive makes lol
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[18:43] <b1ack0p> ok sorry lotuspsychje
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> bartje: thank you for taking your time to create bug #1833752
[18:56] <bartje> ah, was just about to share it here.. wow, that's fast
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> bartje: your description looks pretty organized, great work
[18:57] <bartje> thanks, it's not my first ;-)
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> bartje: its a small channel, but you can try #supercollider or other 19.04 users to also affect your bug, to speed things up
[19:00] <bartje> ah, I didn't find a supercollider channel earlier.. how I see it
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> bartje: another way, is testing other ubuntu releases/ versions of supercollider yourself and also add your experiences to the bug
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> bartje: maybe 19.10's version might work better?
[19:06] <ioria> bartje, https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/issues/4392   https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/issues/4367
[19:08] <bartje> ah, great, so I'm not the only one :-), I'll add there I'm affected too
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> nice find ioria
[19:08] <ioria> bartje, no solution so far
[19:09] <ioria> lotuspsychje, hey
[19:09] <bartje> I see it too, bummer...
[19:09] <ioria> bartje, if reaaly important for you, fire up a vm with bionic
[19:11] <bartje> ioria, I know, but no, I'll wait a while.. My plan was to start learning it for a new project, but I can  switch my planning :-)
[19:11] <ioria> ok
[19:13] <Forty-3> is it possible to see why/who retsarted a service?
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> bartje: are you on studio?
[19:14] <ioria> probably, using low-latency
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx ioria was comparing disco kernel
[19:14] <sarnold> Forty-3: maybe grep sudo /var/log/auth.log ?
[19:15] <Forty-3> nothing there
[19:15] <Forty-3> journalctl just says "Stopping Network Service"
[19:17] <bartje> lotuspsychje: yes, I came from there to here, on their advice :-)
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> bartje: ok tnx, did you check if system up to date too?
[19:19] <bartje> system up to date? You mean running updates, yes, daily
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
[19:20] <bartje> I update/upgrade too often sometimes :-p
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> bartje: these are my dependencys on 18.04 when installing supercollider: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WYCQCTB4vs/
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> bartje: did you try a purge and reinstall yet?
[19:35] <bartje> lotuspsychje: yes, even deleted the .local/share/supercollider dir..
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> bartje: ok tnx, update your bug with that too please
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> bartje: just tested on 18.04 and cant reproduce, tutorial/getting started works here
[19:44] <bartje> yes, that one does work, but without code examples
[19:45] <bartje> documentation indexes are empty though
[19:45] <bartje> updated the report :-)
[19:46] <bartje> your dependencies are installed here, though with newer versions of course
[19:46] <bartje> I noticed, dutch speaking too :-)
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> bartje: https://imgur.com/a/2eAPerT
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> bartje: am i in the right section?
[19:48] <bartje> yep, when I click on one of the items, documents, classes, whatever, that shows an empty doclet, only the title shows
[19:48] <bartje> I thought I addes a png in attachment in the bug report.. don't see it now
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> bartje: left under, add patch or attachment
[19:49] <bartje> yes, but when creating it, I did upload it.. let's try again :-p
[19:50] <bartje> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/429943894/supercollider-documentation%20bug.png
[19:50] <bartje> this is what I see after clicking documents from your image
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> bartje: https://imgur.com/a/vLYduwa
[19:52] <bartje> yep, that's what it should be
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> bartje: ok, updated bug and thats about all we can do right now i think, finding more 19.04 affected users is your best bet
[19:56] <bartje> I think the bug report on github will result in something, it is known by the supercollider dev's.. fingers crossed
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> ok good luck bartje ; )
[19:56] <bartje> thanks for the help :-)
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[20:35] <apb1963> 16.04: 100% CPU; libreoffice; perf report: https://snag.gy/3RKyF8.jpg
[20:38] <sarnold> apb1963: which kernel is that?
[20:39] <apb1963> sarnold, Linux yellow 4.15.0-52-generic #56~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 12:03:31 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:41] <sarnold> apb1963: hmm. can you try an earlier kernel?
[20:41] <apb1963> sarnold, Earlier is worse; swapper gets involved.
[20:47] <sarnold> apb1963: 4.15.0-51.55 should be identical except for the SACK updates that were in 4.15.0-52.56
[20:47] <sarnold> I'm trying to guess if these are related or not
[20:48] <tomreyn> how is it reproduced in libreoffice - just run it, or more? and is this kubuntu or a different flavour? can you reproduce it with a new user profile?
[20:48] <apb1963> sarnold, https://pasteboard.co/Ikuwputg.png from yesterday
[20:49] <apb1963> tomreyn, just run it. ubuntu 16.04  I don't know how to new user profile.
[20:49] <sarnold> apb1963: dang. thanks.
[20:49] <tomreyn> apb1963: i mean create a new system user and login as that instead, try to reproduce it there.
[20:50] <tomreyn> 'profile' was just wrong
[20:50] <apb1963> tomreyn, I have not tried that
[20:50] <apb1963> tomreyn, some possibilities I also haven't tried... I have a spreadsheet that needs macros enabled.
[20:50] <apb1963> tomreyn, so I have not tried disabling it
[20:51] <apb1963> tomreyn, I also have quite a few docs open... maybe 20?
[20:51] <apb1963> tomreyn, I have not tried closing them
[20:51] <tomreyn> so you do open a lot of documents in libreoffe, including one running macros, not just run libreoffice?
[20:51] <tomreyn> *libreoffice
[20:52] <apb1963> tomreyn, Yes, they open automagically after having crashed or been killed from the last time.
[20:52] <tomreyn> i see what you mean.
[20:53] <apb1963> tomreyn, which I like.... because otherwise I'd lose certain docs I haven't saved.  Got about half a dozen of those.
[20:53] <tomreyn> yes, try without the macros. if those are buggy or scripting is not working properly this could effectively cause a SoS
[20:53] <tomreyn> *DoS
[20:53] <apb1963> tomreyn, I wish it acted more like firefox, which restores all tabs/windows after exit/restart.
[20:54] <apb1963> ok...  I'll kill it and restart without enabling macros.  brb
[20:54] <tomreyn> feature requests are best posted to the libreoffice bug tracker, i guess. ;)
[20:55] <supermag> Hello, anyone familiar with CA modules here ?
[20:55] <tomreyn> is this ubuntu related?
[20:56] <supermag> Yes
[20:56] <supermag> I have installed Kodi + tvheadend, but cannot get any of my tv channels to descramble
[20:56] <tomreyn> oh this is about digital video broadcasting (DVB)?
[20:56] <tomreyn> ok
[20:57] <apb1963> tomreyn, ok, it's not the macros.  454500 resident memory, so that implies the number of docs open isn't the issue either.
[20:58] <apb1963> tomreyn, would a gdb backtrace be of help?
[20:59] <tomreyn> apb1963: maybe. have you looked at dmesg or libreoffice logs (not sure there are any)?
[20:59] <apb1963> tomreyn, .... not lately.
[20:59] <apb1963> hang on, let me go look
[21:00] <apb1963> tomreyn, I'm not seeing anything in dmesg.  Where are LO logs?
[21:01] <apb1963> s/anything/anything that stands out/
[21:03] <apb1963> tomreyn, I'm going to install  libreoffice-dbg
[21:04] <tomreyn> apb1963: just a word of warning: this can alter the behaviour.
[21:04] <apb1963> tomreyn, well then... what would you suggest otherwise?
[21:06] <tomreyn> apb1963: give it a try, i'm just pointing it out in case you won't be able to reproduce then, or your system freezes due to your swap running full.
[21:07] <apb1963> umm
[21:08] <apb1963> "system freezes" shouldn't be an option, regardless of swap.
[21:08] <tomreyn> so basically: do it, but save your work before you do it.
[21:08] <tomreyn> not really freezing, just becoming i/o loaded to a point where the system has a hard time responding to user input.
[21:09] <apb1963> well I get that anyway when flash gets involved.
[21:09] <apb1963> which isn't LO of course, but... I think there's some interaction going on.
[21:09] <tomreyn> the first thing you should do before you go into debugging / gdb should be to just check your system and application logs.
[21:10] <apb1963> flush plugin hits 100% or more almost immediately
[21:10] <sarnold> tomreyn: hmm, installing a debug package shouldn't change runtime behaviour, just give more symbols to gdb and similar
[21:11] <apb1963> syslog is full of systemd messages... tons.  Not sure, but I don't think they're relevant.
[21:12] <apb1963> sarnold, "shouldn't" is a key word.  Heh.  I've seen it happen though.
[21:12] <tomreyn> sarnold: running in debug rather than release mode could, though, no?
[21:14] <apb1963> maybe I'll start LO from the command line
[21:14] <apb1963> see if that produces any obvious error messages
[21:15] <tomreyn> ah i was thinking of cmake + RelWithDebInfo, which is actually something very different, and probably doesn't apply to libreoffice.
[21:16] <tomreyn> apb1963: starting soffice from a terminal is a good plan, also feel free to share your system logs if you don't mind it.
[21:24] <apb1963> tomreyn, working on it
[21:32] <tomreyn> here's how you can get a one-shot trace on the main process (but only for the first 'soffice.bin' process, make sure you don't have multiple: pidof soffice.bin):   sudo gdb -q -n -ex bt -batch /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin `pidof soffice.bin | head -n1` | tee /tmp/libreoffice.log
[21:33] <TJ-> Sounds intriguing; what is the original issue ?
[21:33] <apb1963> tomreyn, thanks for that!  I've actually been working on trying to upload the syslog file.  It's 2MB and none of dropbox, google drive or mega.nz seem to be working.
[21:33] <tomreyn> replace 'bt' by 'thread apply all bt full' to get the same for all threads
[21:34] <apb1963> TJ-, 16.04: 100% CPU; libreoffice; perf report: https://snag.gy/3RKyF8.jpg
[21:34] <apb1963> tomreyn, there seems to be a node at 100% packet loss, between myself and google drive... haven't checked the others.  File won't upload to any of them... yet.
[21:35] <TJ-> I don't know what it is with all thes trendy paste sites but they don't host their own vital code and therefore I see nothing.
[21:36] <apb1963> trendy... heh.  TJ- where do you want the file?
[21:36] <tomreyn> apb1963: 2 MB is probably too much for a paste site, you'll need a file upload site or your own (or ISP provided, maybe as part of your existing contract?) web server.
[21:36] <apb1963> tomreyn, thanks for that!  I've actually been working on trying to upload the syslog file.  It's 2MB and none of dropbox, google drive or mega.nz seem to be working.
[21:37] <tomreyn> that's most unusual, points to an issue with your network access.
[21:37] <TJ-> apb1963: "pastebinit <( journalctl -b --since="1 hour ago" )"
[21:37] <tomreyn> can 16.04's journalctl do this, yet?
[21:37] <tomreyn> well, we'll know soon
[21:38] <TJ-> tomreyn: :)
[21:38] <apb1963> traceroute to drive.google.com  https://pastebin.com/d1aLd7nN
[21:39] <tomreyn> this traceroute shows no issues.
[21:39] <apb1963> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yYj5ZMM73f/
[21:40] <apb1963> tomreyn, check the ping
[21:40] <TJ-> tomreyn: in answer to your question; Yes
[21:41] <apb1963> tomreyn, sorry... left the ping out  https://pastebin.com/CdVbyt08
[21:41] <apb1963> s/ping/ping results/
[21:41] <tomreyn> TJ-: :)
[21:42] <TJ-> apb1963: do you have systemd verbose logging enabled? that looks like more than the usual expected reporting
[21:42] <apb1963> but I guess the network issue isn't relevant to current problem
[21:42] <apb1963> TJ-, I do not recall doing anything special, but yes.. I thought it was rather verbose myself.
[21:43] <tomreyn> apb1963: not every system on the internet is configured to respond to ICMP echo requests.
[21:44] <tomreyn> indeed, ignore the upload issues for now
[21:44] <TJ-> hmmm, "var.mount: Failed to load configuration: No such file or directory"  and "var-tmp.mount: Failed to load configuration: No such file or directory"
[21:44] <TJ-> apb1963: can you show us "cat /proc/cmdline"
[21:44] <apb1963> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kz5CgXYdGk/
[21:44] <apb1963> TJ-, that's the config file for systemd
[21:45] <apb1963> TJ-, BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-52-generic root=UUID=d0197578-558f-43c8-97f8-f78165a5af5f ro console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8 debug
[21:45] <apb1963> debuggy
[21:46] <apb1963> tomreyn, true enough
[21:46] <apb1963> tomreyn, but when the file won't upload...
[21:46] <apb1963> tomreyn, and that's the sole point of loss.... it makes you wonder.
[21:47] <tomreyn> is there a reason you need to boot with "debug" then?
[21:47] <TJ-> apb1963: ha! that'll do it, systemd *steals* that from kernel and uses it itself; if you want kernel debug logging and not systemd you have to do "debug systemd.log_level=info"
[21:47] <TJ-> apb1963: the missing mount jobs for /var and /mnt/var are weird/worrying too
[21:48] <TJ-> I reported a bug on this systemd stealing because the amount of output can cause boots to fail entirely
[21:49] <tomreyn> i withdraw my question
[21:49] <blackflow> that issue has been reported long ago, and is the reason Kai Sievers has been banned from contributing to the kernel.... don't tell me it's still an issue?
[21:49] <apb1963> well, /var/exists and /mnt/* is irrelevant to me at least.
[21:49] <TJ-> Bug #1589394
[21:49] <apb1963> tomreyn, :)
[21:50] <blackflow> tragicomedy.
[21:50] <tomreyn> apb1963: so can you still reproduce it with "debug systemd.log_level=info" or without "debug"?
[21:50] <TJ-> ^^^^^
[21:51] <TJ-> the issue may be due to system debiug logging overwhelming things
[21:51] <apb1963> tomreyn, I don't know... that would require rebooting... and... I'd have to leave all of you here... alone in the dark with each other.
[21:51] <TJ-> apb1963: we may have to reset the 'smart' GE lightbulbs
[21:51] <tomreyn> i guess we could stand that for a bit
[21:51] <apb1963> well... first thing is... which file?  I can guess at it.
[21:52] <apb1963> I think I found it :)
[21:53] <tomreyn>  /etc/default/grub
[21:53] <tomreyn> the same file you edited last time to add it.
[21:53] <tomreyn> and run    sudo update-grub   afterwards
[21:55] <apb1963> # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
[21:55] <apb1963> # /boot/grub/grub.cfg.  ha!  I was editing that file directly.  I guessed wrong.
[21:56] <apb1963> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="debug systemd.log_level=info"
[21:56] <apb1963>   Yes?
[21:57] <TJ-> apb1963: if you want kernel debug logging, yes
[21:57] <apb1963> TJ-, do I?
[21:58] <apb1963> And is it update-grub or update-grub2?
[21:59] <tomreyn> apb1963: update-grub, as both the configuration file and tomreyn said ;-)
[22:00] <tomreyn> apb1963: you added "debug" there originally, we do not know what your motives were then.
[22:00] <TJ-> I struggle to remember a time before grub2 being just "grub"
[22:00] <TJ-> tomreyn: trying to break the system and give us a challenge!
[22:00] <apb1963> tomreyn, with this type of issue, I prefer to be cautious
[22:01] <apb1963> tomreyn, yeah... typically I add a comment when I make a change as well as make a backup beforehand... I see neither.
[22:01] <apb1963> tomreyn, just too many "little things" to remember, especially when I rarely ever do them.
[22:02] <apb1963> ok, all grubbed up.... rebooting shortly
[22:14] <apb1963> TJ-, tomreyn No tiki no savvi
[22:14] <apb1963> https://pasteboard.co/Ikv5eOP.png
[22:16] <tomreyn> apb1963: i don't understand "No tiki no savvi". The pasteboard.co page says "image not found" for me.
[22:17] <tomreyn> probably some anti anti anti anti ad-blocker mechanism.
[22:18] <apb1963> tomreyn, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
[22:18] <apb1963> TJ-, what site should I use?
[22:18] <TJ-> !paste
[22:20] <apb1963> TJ-, https://imgur.com/a/JA5KTfJ
[22:24] <TJ-> apb1963: have you tried tomreyn's eariler suggestion? create a clean new user profile, log-in to it, and start libreoffice and test. That'll show if it is a per-user option or something system-wide causing it
[22:24] <apb1963> TJ-, Here's swapper, doing a whole lot of nothing.  https://imgur.com/a/SIgoLGF
[22:25] <apb1963> TJ-, I'll go re-login as a guest.
[22:27] <tomreyn> apb1963: guest will probably not work, you'll need a real user account and copy the data you need to reproduce (probably ~/.config/libreoffice) to it.
[22:28] <trash_panda> big fan of Ubuntu and Mint.  I just found this channel
[22:28] <trash_panda> Currently on Ubuntu LTS bc its awesome and has great support, happy to see a community on IRC too
[22:29] <apb1963> tomreyn, hmm... ok.  This will be a minute.
[22:29] <TJ-> tomreyn: why copy ? is this because the cause is thought to be a specific LO extension? I wanted to check that standard LO isn't affected
[22:30] <TJ-> apb1963: it's easy "adduser test"  -> log-out -> log-in as test -> start LibreOffice
[22:30] <TJ-> well, "sudo adduser test"
[22:30] <Bashing-om> trash_panda: Wonderful :) .. support here, general chat is #ubuntu-offtopic.
[22:32] <tomreyn> TJ-: oh i see. i doubt standard LO is affected. reproduction scenario discussed so far was: "I have a spreadsheet that needs macros enabled. I also have quite a few docs open... maybe 20. [..] They open automagically after having crashed or been killed from the last time."
[22:34] <TJ-> tomreyn: so that would suggest 1 of 2 strategies; either 1) close 1 document at a time, close LO, restart with 1 less document, or 2) start with no documents loaded, add 1, test, close LO, restart and add another doc
[22:34] <TJ-> tomreyn: or, isn't it possible to just disable macros in LO?
[22:35] <tomreyn> TJ-: IIRC apb1963 already disabled macros and could still reproduce it.
[22:35] <tomreyn> about the test approach, i agree
[22:36] <apb1963> TJ-, He recalls correctly
[22:36] <apb1963> ok, here goes nothing.
[22:37] <TJ-> hmmm, how were macros disabled? LO > Tools > Options > Security > Security Level ?
[22:38] <TJ-> oops, missed a stage there
[22:38] <TJ-> LO > Tools > Options > Security > Macro Security > Security Level ?
[22:41] <ikantspelwrdz> Hey guys. Does anyone have Resynthesizer working on Gip 2.10.8. I've looked around an in theory, it should work but it is not showing up in the GUI menus under enhance?
[22:41] <ikantspelwrdz> Gimp*
[22:42] <apb1963> well, I tried opening LO without any files...  load was about normal... less than 1
[22:42] <apb1963> as a new login id
[22:43] <apb1963> so I guess I'm down to opening one file at a time
[22:45] <apb1963> TJ-, tomreyn thanks for your help guys but I need a food break.  Pick this up again later?