| lubot | <teward001> *sits on Dalton* | 00:02 |
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| lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> But how? | 00:05 |
| lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Manually? What manages it? | 00:05 |
| lubot | <teward001> the core infra is all containerized in a single server to isolate the envs from each other for cleanliness. All LXD containers are mirrored weekly to an LXD server I have here at home for backups. most of the deployed infra just runs itself | 00:31 |
| lubot | <teward001> initial setup was done by yours truly and Simon for some of it | 00:31 |
| lubot | <teward001> and by core infra we mean Phab, Weblate (translations), Discourse, CI (Jenkins), etc. | 00:32 |
| lubot | <teward001> some stuff is still in Canonical's stacks like ISOs. | 00:32 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> it's defined which kernel will be on 19.10? | 00:35 |
| lubot | <teward001> ask the Kernel Team that one | 00:36 |
| lubot | <teward001> not sure we reached kernel freeze yet - probably did but I dont have the freezes schedule right in front of me | 00:36 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> mmm ubuntu wiki tells me that next kernel meeting will be tuesday 1oth nov. 2015.... | 00:41 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> sorry, | 00:41 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> 10th. | 00:41 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 00:41 |
| lubot | <teward001> they lurk on IRC in #ubuntu-kernel but I need the Eoan dev schedule lol | 00:42 |
| lubot | <teward001> phone is derping with the wiki | 00:42 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Feature Freeze: August 22, 2019 … Kernel Freeze: September 26, 2019 … Final Freeze: October 10, 2019 | 00:52 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> from: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/ubuntu-19-10-release-features | 00:53 |
| lubot | <teward001> also from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule | 01:04 |
| lubot | <teward001> which i trust more 😜 | 01:04 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> wxl: I'm doing the meta update thing, so far so good. | 01:15 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> and not, it takes tooooooo long,I went to bed and my system didn't woke up. Will try in another system tonight. | 13:05 |
| wxl | @HMollerCl i could run it in my container if you want. it's always running | 18:05 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> would be nice | 18:06 |
| wxl | Eickmeyer: did Studio have a failure with updating apt-xapian-index on today's ISO? | 18:21 |
| Eickmeyer | wxl: I haven't seen a fail mail... | 18:21 |
| * Eickmeyer goes to check some schtuff | 18:22 | |
| wxl | might be a timing thing. yours might build later | 18:22 |
| Eickmeyer | wxl: Probably. I'll let you know if I get a fail mail. As far as I can see, ours is still 20190625, which means it might still be building. Usually it's done by about Noon PDT. | 18:24 |
| wxl | kk | 18:24 |
| tsimonq2 | tl;dr Lubuntu ISO builds are failing because apt-xapian-index is depending on a deprecated python-apt feature that python-apt removed in the latest release. | 18:26 |
| teward | i saw an email giving a heads up about the apt change a few weeks ago I think | 18:26 |
| wxl | how did all the others pass through today? | 18:27 |
| teward | about that section being removed and might cause issues | 18:27 |
| teward | wxl: it's Simon's fault? | 18:27 |
| tsimonq2 | We're the only one that depends on apt-xapian-index. | 18:27 |
| tsimonq2 | (Assuming it's only failing for us.) | 18:27 |
| wxl | Studio, Kylin, and Budgie are on yesterday's | 18:28 |
| wxl | Studio may not have a problem though | 18:28 |
| wxl | i *thought* others used it | 18:28 |
| wxl | i seem to remember kubuntu did but i could be wrong | 18:28 |
| wxl | post-malone? | 18:29 |
| tsimonq2 | wat? XD | 18:31 |
| tsimonq2 | oh | 18:31 |
| tsimonq2 | no | 18:31 |
| tsimonq2 | ProposedMigration | 18:31 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Also, ECHAN | 18:31 |
| wxl | no, i wanted to carry that over here :) | 18:32 |
| tsimonq2 | XD | 18:33 |
| wxl | do we need it, especially if it's problematic and orphaned? | 18:38 |
| tsimonq2 | No clue. | 18:39 |
| TJ- | as it's a Recommends of libqapt I'd have thought it is only needed if there are QT based software search tools using libqapt, like qapt-deb-installer | 18:59 |
| kc2bez | We have qapt-deb-installer. I think we added it for Disco. | 19:05 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> We have qapt-deb-installer. I think we added it for Disco.], yes, we did | 19:05 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> cause otherwise ark wanted to open them | 19:06 |
| wxl | @HMollerCl doesn't discover do those now, too? | 19:11 |
| kc2bez | Discover should be able to as well. | 19:12 |
| kc2bez | But Discover... | 19:12 |
| wxl | discover is getting better soon | 19:12 |
| wxl | really there's very little wrong with it | 19:12 |
| wxl | the major problem is the lack of progress indicators and that's on the way | 19:12 |
| kc2bez | It is way better already. | 19:12 |
| wxl | this is the "slow" thing | 19:13 |
| wxl | it's a perception, not a reality | 19:13 |
| wxl | we don't think of synaptic, apt, etc. as slow because we see an indicator, but they take the same amount of time | 19:13 |
| wxl | let's just get rid of it and be done with it. anyone got a problem with that? | 19:13 |
| kc2bez | It does use some resources on launch but it settles down shortly after. | 19:13 |
| wxl | or maybe we wait to see how things settle out with upstream | 19:14 |
| wxl | thoughts, @tsimonq2 ? | 19:14 |
| lynorian | wxl discover doesn't install cli apps from a gui | 19:15 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> let me try discover again in my old machines. | 19:18 |
| wxl | try it with a cli app of some kind. tmux, let's say, @HMollerCl | 19:18 |
| wxl | oh i guess i need to upload lubuntu-meta | 19:18 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> my guess is that discover will consume uneeded resources only for open a .deb, like refreshing cache and others. | 19:19 |
| wxl | right, @tsimonq2 ? | 19:19 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I don't quite have a preference. | 19:19 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> if muon does, muon is a better option. | 19:19 |
| Eickmeyer | wxl: Yep, got a fail mail. You're not alone. | 19:21 |
| lubot | <teward001> let's all blame Simon | 19:21 |
| lubot | <teward001> because reasons. | 19:21 |
| * Eickmeyer throws @tsimonq2 under a bus | 19:21 | |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @teward001 [let's all blame Simon], we could also sue him XD | 19:22 |
| tsimonq2 | hey XD | 19:24 |
| TJ- | I think you don't need to worry if the issue a FTBFS - is that the case? | 19:24 |
| wxl | no it's not TJ- | 19:24 |
| TJ- | wxl: I thought it was due to apt-xapian-index failing due to python-apt changes? | 19:25 |
| wxl | it fails but not fails to build | 19:26 |
| TJ- | wxl: sorry, fails *tests* | 19:26 |
| TJ- | wxl: without seeing the fail logs hard to tell, but I suspect this commit addresses the issue: https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/python-apt/commit/68227b7f16a8e3a2569368cabe2dff03468336b3 | 19:29 |
| wxl | TJ-: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/430708403/buildlog_ubuntu_eoan_amd64_lubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz | 19:30 |
| wxl | don't think that's it | 19:31 |
| TJ- | wxl: you're correct; thanks for the log. Here's the commit that broke it: https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/python-apt/commit/fedd51be48be53d00d386c45eab8f63f462db202 | 19:33 |
| TJ- | "* The `section` attribute has been removed from :class:`apt_pkg.Package`" | 19:34 |
| wxl | yep nice catch | 19:34 |
| TJ- | Looks like you need to report a regression bug against that as it broke apt-xapian-index | 19:34 |
| TJ- | I was looking through the python-apt mailing list but couldn't find any discussion on removing those features | 19:35 |
| wxl | there's this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931132 | 19:35 |
| ubot93 | Debian bug 931132 in apt-xapian-index "apt-xapian-index: please enable autopkgtests" [Important, Open] | 19:35 |
| wxl | and this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931133 | 19:35 |
| ubot93 | Debian bug 931133 in apt-xapian-index "apt-xapian-index: unusable after recent python-apt update due to usage of deprecated Package.section attribute" [Important, Open] | 19:35 |
| wxl | which should, in reverse order, fix the problem and keep it from happening again | 19:36 |
| TJ- | wxl: apt-xapian-index has been removed from Debian experimental | 19:36 |
| tsimonq2 | Removal from Debian Experimental means nothing. | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | Debian Experimental is just a test pocket. | 19:39 |
| TJ- | tsimonq2: sorry, I got myself confused here | 19:39 |
| tsimonq2 | ah :) | 19:39 |
| tsimonq2 | np | 19:39 |
| * TJ- has a fever today and is quite spaced out | 19:39 | |
| TJ- | I think I need to turn off this flourescent green colour theme | 19:40 |
| TJ- | I suppose the question is, how long will it take for the fix to percolate through | 19:42 |
| TJ- | looks like there's a bugette in Setting up uuid-runtime (2.33.1-0.1ubuntu2) .. too | 19:43 |
| TJ- | it's creating the group before the user and causing "Warning: The home dir /run/uuidd you specified can't be accessed: No such file or directory" | 19:44 |
| TJ- | or maybe not; that's weird! "Not creating home directory `/run/uuidd'." | 19:44 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: um. i'm confused. it doesn't seem that when i build lubuntu-meta it GPG signs anything, though afaik you need to force debuild to NOT do so. i just did the same thing on libfm-qt6 and all is well. but of course dput gets unhappy without a signature. catch-22? | 19:48 |
| wxl | alias "cd.."="cd .." | 19:50 |
| wxl | don't tell me you wish you had it at least at one point XD | 19:50 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: debuild -S -d *-us -uc* | 19:52 |
| tsimonq2 | Those two flags go without signing it. | 19:52 |
| wxl | yeah i *want* to sign it | 19:52 |
| tsimonq2 | However, if you're sponsoring an upload, you still need to run debsign -kMYKEYIDHERE /path/to/source.changes | 19:53 |
| wxl | so `debuild -S` should just do it afaik. it's done it on everything i've ever done | 19:53 |
| wxl | it does the debsign for that matter | 19:55 |
| wxl | which is why i have DEBSIGN_KEYID in ~/.devscripts | 19:55 |
| tsimonq2 | ok | 19:55 |
| wxl | but there i'll just debsign it myself i guess | 19:55 |
| wxl | i just don't understand why that's the case. it's super bizarre | 19:56 |
| wxl | should i NOT be uploading lubuntu-meta? is this actually generated? | 19:57 |
| tsimonq2 | Well, does the changelog check out? | 19:57 |
| tsimonq2 | Wait | 19:57 |
| tsimonq2 | Are you sponsoring this? | 19:57 |
| wxl | well i'm trying to figure it out | 19:58 |
| wxl | that was my intention but now things are going all weird | 19:58 |
| wxl | the changelog is your script | 19:58 |
| wxl | or some script | 19:59 |
| tsimonq2 | What is in the changelog? | 19:59 |
| wxl | this is the big update https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING3cdce7d79da6891daa2f3879f8aada7b6e1fc177 | 20:00 |
| wxl | it seems messed up | 20:00 |
| wxl | but does that explain why it doesn't GPG sign? noooooooo | 20:01 |
| tsimonq2 | Nope, just dch -r | 20:01 |
| tsimonq2 | Then try | 20:01 |
| wxl | hah | 20:02 |
| wxl | it does explain it | 20:02 |
| wxl | *b*i*z*a*r*e* but cool | 20:02 |
| wxl | ~lubuntu-packaging wasn't subscribed to lubuntu-meta bugs *FACEPALM* | 20:16 |
| wxl | anyone want to go through and triage it would make my day https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 20:17 |
| lubot | <teward001> some we can ix easy wxl | 20:23 |
| lubot | <teward001> 'search: 14.04 OR Trusty OR Precise OR 12.04 OR {InterimReleases} | ACTION: Close. | 20:24 |
| lubot | <teward001> :P | 20:24 |
| TJ- | I'm working on Bug #1828663 -- looks to be a polkit problem | 22:05 |
| ubot93 | Bug 1828663 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "lubuntu 19.04 QT interfaces not properly working where more then one sudoer configured" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828663 | 22:05 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @TJ- [<TJ-> I'm working on Bug #1828663 -- looks to be a polkit problem], damned politicians.... | 22:21 |
| TJ- | Looks to be a segfault in lxqt-policykit | 22:24 |
| wxl | @HMollerCl you'll find network-manager-gnome is now in lubuntu-meta | 22:32 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> goof | 22:33 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> good | 22:33 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> as soon as we have a new iso I will test it and if works change the defaut coneection-editor for nm-tray in nm-tray package. | 22:34 |
| wxl | might take a while given the apt-xapian-index issue | 22:35 |
| TJ- | I came up with a 1-line fix for that :P | 22:54 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> we didn't we have Tj- before? | 22:55 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> TJ- | 22:56 |
| wxl | no but tj is a god send :) | 23:08 |
| kc2bez | +1 | 23:10 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> (Photo, 1280x800) https://i.imgur.com/gQyRjhM.jpg Hello. This is not a Walpaper proposal, this is just a small experiment made from a change in the hummingbird image of the Lubuntu 1804 wallpaper. | 23:12 |
| wxl | i like the direction you're headed with that | 23:13 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> me too | 23:13 |
| kc2bez | Hmm, makes me think about our SDDM background too. | 23:14 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> I was just playing around 😊 | 23:15 |
| kc2bez | Here is some inspiration perhaps: https://github.com/Rokin05/SDDM-Themes/tree/master/.github/medias/screenshots/arc | 23:17 |
| kc2bez | With the humming bird image that @JyotiGomes has started on for a backdrop. | 23:17 |
| lubot | <lynorian> @JyotiGomes [<reply to image>], that looks really cool | 23:20 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> I think that if later Lubuntu will have a logo of its own, replacing the lxqt logo (which is not specific to Lubuntu but rather to LXQt), it could well be this Lubuntu 1804 hummingbird. I do not know who created it, but it's fine. The hummingbird is a super fast, intelligent bird, active, effective and very beautiful 🙂 | 23:21 |
| lubot | <N0um3n0> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Here is some inspiration perhaps: https://github.com/Rokin05/SDDM-Theme …], they work in lubuntu or are they only for plasma? | 23:26 |
| kc2bez | Here are the manual install instructions: https://github.com/Rokin05/SDDM-Themes#-others-environments--manual-install- | 23:32 |
| lubot | <N0um3n0> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Here are the manual install instructions: https://github.com/Rokin05/SD …], Ok, thanks! | 23:33 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> (Photo, 1280x800) https://i.imgur.com/NFShh6G.jpg Just more this version of color, I do not want to annoy you too much | 23:41 |
| wxl | not that one so much | 23:49 |
| TJ- | With my Blind Society hat on, I'd ask you to consider how these images will be perceived by visually impaired people, who need strong contrasts and also have a better experience when certain colours are used | 23:50 |
| wxl | there's probably a design guideline for that somewhere.. | 23:50 |
| TJ- | Re the policykit issue; looks like there may be two problems but I'm not familiar enough with the code bases to figure it out. 1) should a user already a member of "sudo" group even be prompted to select the user they wish to authenticate as? and 2) when they do something goes wrong and there's a SIGSEGV which looks like it may be caused in libpolkit-qt5 | 23:53 |
| TJ- | I've updated the bug report but not sure I can take it much further | 23:54 |
| wxl | might have to dig upstream and see if there's anything sensible that shakes out of the trees | 23:56 |
| TJ- | Already done that; there don't appear to be any relevant commits (in fact very few commits in recent times at all) | 23:57 |
| wxl | to be clear i'm referring to lxqt-policykit.. or maybe even the lxqt-config-users or whatever it is | 23:58 |
| TJ- | right, I looked at that and libpolkit-qt5 | 23:58 |
| TJ- | Looks like tsimonq2 is the committer on github for lxqt-policykit and the recent changes have been predominently translations | 23:59 |
| wxl | i know with lxqt there's often a lot of chatter that happens in issues, so sometimes i just dig in there for keywords and see if i can shake something out | 23:59 |
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