[00:15] eelstrebor: are you using the double-colon syntax, or running rsync as a daemon? [00:22] why do I keep getting the "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted" output when trying to enable my Wireless interface? tried running it as root but keeps getting the same error. [00:22] hi all, is it okay if I ask Ubuntu Server question here? [00:22] Katronix: Ask away :) [00:22] Katronix: sure, but there's also an #ubuntu-server that may or may not be more responsive [00:23] Is it possible to have both php 7 and php 5.5 installed on the same server? only reason I ask is there is an app I want to start using written in php 5.5 and want to see how much I like it before I start upgrading it to 7 [00:27] Katronix: probably, but that's not supported by the default PHP. you'd probably need to use another build. [00:28] Katronix: if you stick entirely to the canonical-supported stuff, that might be running bionic for the 7.2 and using lxd to run trusty for the 5.5; since that's out of regular support, you'd probably also want to get ubuntu advantage to get support for it [00:29] Katronix: ondrej sury's got some php builds in his ppa but iirc he replaces system openssl in the process. you'd need to ask for any help in his community of users.. [00:31] okay the server is running 16.04 currently I suppose I could just install php 5.5 on it? [00:31] Katronix: or 5.6? [00:32] I suppose I could try it with 5.6, the install app wants 5.5 (its several years old) [00:37] !info php7 xenial [00:37] Package php7 does not exist in xenial [00:38] !info php7.0 xenial [00:38] php7.0 (source: php7.0): server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.33-0ubuntu0.16.04.5 (xenial), package size 1 kB, installed size 9 kB [00:39] there's no more php5 support other than via ESM [00:42] Damn this Win/Command + P shortcut to change the display mode is just terrible [00:42] I sometimes press it accidentally and it messes up my monitors [00:42] useless [00:44] Don't change it.. or change it [00:45] Katronix: btw https://ubuntu.com/esm [00:45] Super+P cant find that in Keyboard Shortcuts -_______- [00:46] Just Why? [00:51] wondows: https://askubuntu.com/a/1038869 # first result on google for "ubuntu super+p" [00:54] hi. does anyone understand why when building a custom kernel `make deb-pkg` always cleans everything before packing? this is _so_ time consuming. am I doing something wrong? [00:55] dqx: You might want to start with asking in a channel suited to kernel development or ubuntu development [00:55] leftyfb thanks, and wow, that's complicated [00:56] dqx: Try #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-kernel [00:56] thanks a lot [01:13] My HD had to be replaced because it was failing, so the computer shop cloned it. [01:13] The Windows-based clone tool warned that the cloning process might mess up the bootloader. [01:14] What do I do to repair a possibly-broken bootloader once I get the comp back? [01:14] boot a live iso, and follow instructions from the grub factoid [01:14] ( to reinstall grub [01:14] !grub [01:14] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [01:14] ‘k. Thank you! [01:43] I heard of a portal which allows all linux distro to be tested through a web browser . can anyone help me with the link ? [01:44] I read the news in my chrome news feed but has forgotten it since === zbenjamin is now known as Guest90068 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:45] anibic: I think this was it, but it appears to be suffering a bit of load :) https://distrotest.net/ [01:53] But it says service unavailable [01:53] exactly [01:57] anibic: it's overloaded, and therefore the service is unavailable at the moment [01:57] anibic: that's what "Service Unavailable" and sarnold's "suffering a bit of load" comment were for ;) [01:57] evening teward :) [01:58] It's up again. plz check. [02:02] if i was a log-file for psensor, where would i hide/ [02:02] apt-cache show psensor ? [02:03] er, it's in ~/.psensor [02:03] but how do i read it :/ [02:05] actually it's not that hard [02:05] just a bunch of CSV's starting with a timestamp and the values of each sensor [02:05] bad things. 80C and 530rpm on the cpu. whhhy?? [02:06] thats double plus ungood [02:07] cpus shouldn't spin [02:08] the fan on it should, and a heck of a lot faster than that if it's at 80C [02:13] is 80' C abnormal for your CPU? === FireEgl` is now known as FireEgl [02:46] Hi! Is the built-in Linux firewall supposed to be set to "inactive" as default after a std Linux install? ..any distro? [02:47] Thr0r: yeah, a firewall is something an admin needs to configure; if you want a friendly frontend, I suggest ufw [02:47] Thr0r: For Ubuntu, yes [02:48] So I seem to have accidentally flipped my screen upside down and there's no "orientation" option in the display settings. Any idea how to fix it? [02:49] I had exited a fullscreen DOSBox app and it screwed with my resolution and couldn't see to fix it, so I just rebooted. Now I'm at 1080p again, upside down. [02:49] sarnold: Oh - ok. It should maybe be informed after install? I was sure I was running with an active FW up until now... Just started it [02:49] install gufw, and you can enable rules in systemsettings [02:51] OerHeks: Ok .. I will. I was using ufw in console but if there is a GUI I will use that. Not sure if any rules are active as standard when I start it really [02:53] sudo ufw default deny incoming / sudo ufw default allow outgoing /sudo ufw allow ssh / sudo ufw logging on [02:56] OerHeks: Thanks - done. [03:03] So if anybody else manages to rotate their screen and can't find a gui option to correct it, xrandr -o normal will fix it. [03:08] OerHeks: I can't find the Firewall settings in System settings.. I am on Kubuntu 19,04 [03:13] OerHeks: ok - it starts from console [03:18] Gerowen: thanks === [b0b] is now known as b0b === SirNate is now known as SignalsOut [04:50] I downloaded the official WIndows ISO. HOw do I make an installer USB? Nothing worked so far. [04:51] toxictype: there's a woeusb snap if you like [04:51] ubottu: winusb [04:51] Ubuntu does not have a recommended tool for preparing bootable Windows installation USBs. If you need one, consider using Microsoft's media creation tool from a Windows computer (see ##windows for support). If this is not an option, there are third-party unsupported tools like WoeUSB ( https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB , sudo snap install --edge woe-usb ) that might work. [04:51] I MEAN [04:51] I COULD [04:51] USE A VIRTUAL MACHINE [04:51] BUT LIKE CAN IT EVEN DO PHYSICAL USB? [04:59] hi, i'm trying to set shortcuts with keys PgDN and PgUp but when i press those keys to set the shortcut nothing happens, anyone knows whats up with that? [05:00] inascime: maybe try super + pgup/pgdown currently set for workspace switching [05:01] i wanted to use it for volume control [05:01] hmm [05:01] inascime: dont your laptop already have volume control with Fn+ F keys? [05:01] is there no way to set it without the super? [05:01] im not on a laptop, i have desktop with a 80% keyboard [05:02] tkl [05:02] it doesn't have media keys [05:02] ok [06:12] I am installing a wireless antenna on my computer. The driver is on the manufacturer (TP-Link)’s website... [06:13] but it’s rated for Linux Kernel versions 2.6.18 to 4.4.3 [The driver has a publishing date of May ’18 so that may have been the most recent kernel version at the time, I’m not sure]. [06:13] Disco Dingo has kernel 5. If I install this driver, am I likely to cause any sort of trouble? === MrSheesh is now known as Mr_Sheesh [06:18] Try it :) [06:19] SoItBegins, 18.04 (2018-April release) uses 4.15 kernel so 4.4 (16.04's kernel of 2016-April) couldn't have been the latest - I'd say try it too [06:19] guiverc: Try the driver, you mean? [06:20] Antenna implies to me screw out of card, add new one which wouldn't need a driver change I'd think, but yeah I'd try kernel driver/module (4.4 was a 2016-Jan kernel) [06:29] Sounds good. === jurgen is now known as Jurgentje === jhona-aima1 is now known as jhona-aima === jstein is now known as Guest17940 === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 === jstein__ is now known as jstein [07:24] is this the right channel to ask about the Ubuntu Canonical Windows Subsystem Linux here? [07:32] !wsl [07:32] Windows 10 has a feature called Windows Subsystem for Linux, which allows it to run Ubuntu (and other Linux distro) userspace programs without porting/recompliation. For discussion and support, see #ubuntu-on-windows or ##windows. For installation instructions, see https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide [07:33] Latest kernel update seemingly removed the ability to access my samsung phone's files, any info on this? === jmcgnh_ is now known as jmcgnh [07:52] thanks for pointing #ubuntu-on-windows, geirha [08:09] Hello, I have a PC with 2 HDDs. One is for OS, other is empty and I'd like to use it for backup. [08:09] What linux program do you recommend for periodic packups of a certain data folder? [08:09] I'd like to make incremental backups meaning that only files that have changed are backed up. Bonus, if it also saves history so I can access earlier file versions. [08:14] airwind: if you're copying data from one hdd to another on the same computer that's not considered 'backup'. [08:17] the proper backup is remote (from where the data is primarily processed / in motion / used), encrypted, incremental. proven restorable, and not remotely deletable. [08:20] !backup | airwind for real backup [08:20] airwind for real backup: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup, !borg, and !cloning [08:28] borgbackup and restic (if it doesn't explode) are fine, duplicity is slow but can be ok if not much data. [08:28] airwind: I use rdiff-backup (but don't know other tools). === jstein is now known as Guest41947 === jstein___ is now known as jstein === jstein is now known as Guest21146 === jstein___ is now known as jstein [09:04] Does Ubuntu Disco use the Unity desktop? === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [09:09] SoItBegins: No, Default desktop is Gnome === yvyz_ is now known as yvyz [09:10] OK, sweet. I knew there was a privacy setting you had to set if you were using Unity, so that’s good to know. === jstein___ is now known as jstein [09:22] another question. I noticed that some recent ubuntu flavors are using disk encryption with grub2 LUKS module (meaning /boot is also encrypted). [09:23] Does this support different keyboard layouts or is it US only? [09:41] Disc encryption is not automatic. As for Grub2 phase 1 keyboard layouts and LUKS/2, you can change the keyboard layout. [09:41] The grub configuration would be mostly the same for any other distro when you intend on an encrypted /boot [09:45] Best diff tool available on ubuntu? [09:46] Woodpecker: we usually dont take polls here, try apt-cache search keyword, or software centre [09:53] lotuspsychje: yeah, but there are a million. [09:53] Welcome to linux [09:53] Woodpecker: feel free to ask reccomends in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss [09:53] k [09:55] yvyz: Back in the days there was a tutorial (Pavel Kogan) how to manually encrypt the disk including /boot, and you had to use grub's luks module to decrypt and read initramfs [09:56] but the system was limited to US keyboard layout only. In order to change it you supposedly had to use a grub2 module named at_keyboard [09:56] I tried it out, and it ended up ignoring all my keyboard input [09:57] this was like 2 years ago, but today seeing that the ubuntu installers adopted this encryption technique as the default I am assuming there has been some development to warrant this change [10:01] I am unaware of an auto installer that provides encrypted /boot [10:04] there are live installers that ask you to encrypt the disk during partitioning, yes? I know for a fact that Lubuntu has one, not sure about others, but they probably have them too. [10:06] yeah the ubuntu installer offers full disk encryption as an option during installation [10:06] and is done using LUKS [10:07] Yes [10:07] But you specifically mention encrypted /boot [10:08] luks + encrypted /boot + grub2 luks module [10:09] All four of my machines are running LVM on LUKS2 [10:09] 1 with encrypted boot [10:11] if you're using encrypted /boot then your password prompt will look like this: https://i.imgur.com/c2vLutm.png [10:11] Generally, you encrypt your rootfs separately from your boot. [10:12] airwind: to add /boot to the encrypted luks isnt hard fwiw [10:12] But he wanted to know if phase 1 would support a different language than en_US [10:12] I wasn't saying it was. [10:12] ^^ [10:13] yeah just putting that out there in case it's helpful [10:13] I don't know of an auto installer that provides encrypted boot. only encrypted rootfs... [10:13] hence, the fwiw [10:13] But I understand that auto installers are not how to solve your problem [10:13] hmm, I'll do some test installations and observe what structure is generated by the installer [10:13] But apparently I am here to learn [10:14] After you install, check /etc/default/grub for GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y [10:15] Which is the flag notifying GRUB to boot from an encrypted volume [10:15] well... auto installers are a problem when certain features aren't available; normally I had to pause during installation, launcha shell and modify some stuff in mid-installation to get the exact layout I wanted. [10:15] yvyz: yes, GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK is set in my config [10:15] Grub2 decrypt boot volume, which gets mapper cryptlvm volume information, which thend decrypts the rootfs, which then is then booted in phase2 [10:16] Great, and that was from an auto installer? [10:17] Some sources say that Grub2 only supports US in phase1. I have seen that differ. But this isn't an ubuntu issue anyhow. This would be Grub [10:17] it would technically be whatever grub2 package is in the linux repo and the config files it contains [10:18] if grub2 supports something that the installation script doesn't utilize then it's not grub to blame [10:19] You are the expert. [10:19] I find it amazing the linux repository contains grub. [10:21] Maybe it changed? I have been on arch for some time now [10:21] besides my servers at least [10:38] Hello, I have a CI with a subscribed card in it. The system is Conax. Is there anyway I can spot if the card is updating properly ? I have not used it for a long time. === Enissay2 is now known as Enissay [10:56] Hi, will "rm -R folder1 folder2 ..." work ? to delete multiple folders in one command [10:56] Enissay: yes. [10:58] Uqbar: Thx [11:01] Hey folks [11:05] Hello, I need to install mesa-vulkan-drivers-18.2.8-0ubuntu0~18.04.2.i386 but apt doesn't find anything with that name, how do I install it? [11:08] Ryvius: maybe it's this package? [11:09] !info mesa-vulkan-drivers bionic | Ryvius [11:09] Ryvius: mesa-vulkan-drivers (source: mesa): Mesa Vulkan graphics drivers. In component universe, is optional. Version 18.2.8-0ubuntu0~18.04.2 (bionic), package size 1534 kB, installed size 6311 kB [11:09] Looks like I got it, thanks [11:22] Hi, I'm installing Xubuntu, and I have the option "Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation for security", but I can choose it only if I choose "Erase disk and install Xubuntu". How can I encrypt the partition if I don't choose "Erase disk and install Xubuntu"? [11:23] someone235: manually [11:24] blackflow, you mean, after installation? [11:24] someone235: no, manual partitioning [11:25] blackflow, so how can I encrypt a partition with manual partitioning? [11:28] someone235: the installer should have the manual partitioning option, where you choose "Use As", encryption for the partition you want to encrypt, and then when it creates the encrypted device you continue using it for / with fs of your choice === ayekat is now known as ayekitten [12:27] falkon is freezing, or has frozen. how do i terminate it? [12:28] from within terminal, i mean. this time i was able to right-click close it from task bar [12:28] but last night even that right-click did not respond [12:39] is there an ubuntu alternative to Google Drive/Documents? Google Documents freezes my lubuntu 18.10 32-bit Dell D620 [12:42] folks, which is the oldest available by default kernel in 18.04? [12:43] and how can i install it? [12:45] dr4ken: try 'apt-cache search linux-image' and see what you get [12:45] sudo apt-get install EriC^^, thanks [12:46] np [12:47] EriC^^, also, by any chance have you fixed issues with wireless cards in ubuntu? [12:47] i have a wireless usb device that for some reason works wonders in my xubuntu 16.04 upgraded to 18.04 (kernel 4.15) [12:47] not much, feel free to explain the problem here and if someone knows they might give some input [12:47] but it doesnt work in any chance in another machine with ubuntu 18.04 clean install with 4.18 kernel [12:48] dr4ken: aha, i think you can use 4.15 in 18.04 [12:48] !info linux-image-generic bionic [12:48] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.15.0.52.54 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 15 kB [12:49] EriC^^, yeah hope so it works, im installing it rght now [12:49] dr4ken: 4.15 is default in bionic, i think 4.18 is the HWE package [12:49] cool [12:50] dr4ken: make sure you boot into it from grub's advanced options menu, cause by default it'll still boot the newest kernel [12:50] yeah, i will use grub-cuztomizer to modify the grub wait time [12:50] dr4ken: you could hold shift when the pc starts to get grub too if you want [12:51] EriC^^, the thing is, i had to use HWE because look like the driver im looking for was removed from mainline in 4.18 and moved to another little package [12:55] Hi. I installed a package from source (exiv2), which is a requirement for compiling another software. apparently, that other software uses PKGConfig to detect whether exiv2 has been installed, but it doesn't seem to be working correctly. How can I make sure PKGConfig is correctly detecting that package? [12:59] woenx: are you sure it doesn't require libexiv2 instead? [13:05] folks, if a driver fails to compile in my ubuntu 18.04, which is my other best bet? [13:10] dr4ken: To ask your question in a development channel. Compiling is not supported here. Try #ubuntu-devel [13:10] pragmaticenigma, even if im not developing it? its a driver that builds at install time [13:12] Uqbar: yes, it asks for libexiv2, but I thought it would be compiled with exiv2 [13:12] I can't find libexiv2 in github [13:12] dr4ken: This channel is for support existing as provided applications, drivers, configurations of Ubuntu. That is to say, the volunteers focus on supporting what is documented in release notes, and on https://help.ubuntu.com/ ... [13:14] woenx: It appears that you should find the forum that specializes in the application that you are trying to compile, they are going to be your best resource for getting help on missing dependencies. [13:14] I see [13:14] woenx: apt search libexiv and then install the one you need [13:14] Yep, but the version in the repositories is outdated [13:15] woenx: What application are you trying to compile? Is it not already provided in the software repos? [13:15] My specific question was about PKGConfig [13:15] pragmaticenigma: exiv2 and libexiv2. The version in the repositories is 0.25, but I need 0.26 or higher (ideally 0.27) [13:16] woenx: That is not what I asked, I'm asking what your end goal is [13:16] to compile digikam from source in ubuntu 18.04.2 [13:16] woenx: What is wrong with digikam as it is already provided in the software repos? [13:17] It's very outdated. Also, I have to test some new features in the code for the beta version, so I'd need to compile it regularly. [13:17] !latest | woenx [13:17] woenx: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [13:18] Anyway, I created a virtual machine (in virtualbox), so I can have an Ubuntu 18.04 clean install just for compiling that software [13:18] woenx: If you want help in building the application from source, please find their forums and groups. They are better suited for helping you. As I mentioned earlier, this channel is focused on Ubuntu as it it officially support and provided through the official distribution channels. [13:18] Ok [13:19] but my initial question was if you knew if PKGConfig was also a working feature in ubuntu (I was suggested that this may be the issue) [13:21] woenx: The versions of those packages are going to be the versions required by other applications in the repos. That is to say, if you're trying to compile bleeding edge, it is very likely the supporting libraries that are provided in the repo will not match the requirements of application you are attempting to compile from source [13:21] Yes, I understand, but in this case, I'm trying to compile both the main application and its dependencies (libexiv2 and opencv, basically) [13:22] And maybe, if I am successfull, I could generate up to date .deb packages of these programs so I can easily install them in other computers [13:23] All of that is considered off topic here, which is why I am encouraging you to seek out the correct forums for this topic. You might have some luck asking in #ubuntu-app-devel [13:23] yes, i will [13:24] I already asked in the app forum... and they were not very ubuntu-friendly, that's why I thought of asking here [13:24] but thanks anyway :) [13:38] hi everyone [13:38] Does anyone else experiencing issues with lynx? Not loading pages [13:39] za1b1tsu: What site are you trying to access? [13:39] I'm out of free space on a server, so I looked for large logs, and I stupidly rm-d /var/log/btmp, and it didn't free up any space. I checked with lsof and there is no process holding that file. Is there any way to free up the space without restarting the server? [13:43] traubisoda: first you need to figure out what's hogging all the space. `ncdu` can help [13:45] pragmaticenigma, https://pastebin.com/raw/dtkRf4gD [13:54] blackflow thanks for the tip, but I don't have it installed and I don't think I can get it with 0 free space :') [14:06] za1b1tsu: I'm not having any difficulty using lynx on Ubuntu 18.04.2 ... Perhaps purge and reinstall lynx, a config file might have become corrupted [14:33] folks, i have an usb wireless nic that does works wonders in the _live_ ubuntu 16.04, but it is rk-kill "hard-block" in the installed instance [14:33] dr4ken: wich chipset is that? [14:34] dr4ken: try reset BIOS to defaults [14:34] lotuspsychje, mt7601 [14:34] jeremy31, BIOS? what could e th ecause in BIOS? [14:34] dr4ken: weird things happen [14:36] dr4ken: a hard block shouldn't be possible without a switch [14:36] jeremy31, it does havea switch, but i had the same issue in the previously installed 18.04 [14:36] even once the switch was "unblocked" [14:37] dr4ken: does it also have internal wifi? [14:38] dr4ken: try that bios reset jeremy31 suggested and come back after reboot [14:38] jeremy31, yeah, and it was always blocke [14:38] lotuspsychje, ok, give me a few minutes, while i end up the initial apt update [14:44] dr4ken: if the internal is removed, the switch position will be ignored [14:44] Have to go [14:44] Is there a way to log percentage of CPU utilization caused only due to the networking stack? [14:49] jeremy31, thanks, but i _cannot_ remove the internal one due desires from the owner [14:49] it is not my machine [14:49] jeremy31, see you later [14:49] rodybig: doesn't ring a bell, but I guess if it would be possible, then it'd be through a kthread listed in ps/top. However, you can monitor interrupts and see how NIC interrupts relate to others (/proc/interrupts) [14:55] rodybig: could you use the packet counts as an analogue? If so see tools like "sar" and "vnstat" [15:01] TJ- What do you mean? Can you explain? [15:02] rodybig: without inserting kprobes into the various kernel functions that handle network tasks there's no way to do what you want. But, if you measure the package throughput and plot that against CPU usage, you can get an analogue indication how much the network throughput affects the overall CPU usage [15:03] rodybig: if you design a measurement rig so the only load will be network throughput, you can determine that without other factors intefering [15:15] hi, I have a makefile that has a couple of processes that take a while. then it run a process that requires sudo, so the ux is run make command and the wait a long time and then notice that you need to enter password. Is there a way to propt for password in the beginning? [15:16] iffraff: you could add a sudoers rule with NOPASSWD for the user and binary to be executed [15:19] TJ-: thanks, um, I'm not entirely sure what you mean though :) I guess I don't know how to add a sudoers rule or what I would add it to. [15:20] hi [15:23] ha [15:23] iffraff: here's an example from my systems. In this I have a series of Cmnd_Alias definitions that describe specific commands the alias relates to. Then, for my user "tj" I have a NOPASSWD rule that includes the list of aliases. This means my user can call, e.g, "sudo apt ..." without needing to type a password [15:23] iffraff: see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8PMT8bnjNj/ [15:25] thank you I will read that. the task that requires sudo is deleting a directory that the user doesn't have rights to. I think it might actually require password. [15:26] oh wait think I understand [15:28] you make a sudo call at the top and then make the other commands NOPASSWORD. but would that work with rm -rf? [15:28] hi [15:29] iffraff: you can limit the command if it is static to avoid misuse, e.g. "Cmnd_Alias RM = /bin/rm -rf /path/to/dir" -- you can be specific as to the arguments to the program, don't just have to list the command name [15:29] how can I increase the resolution of tty_(number) terminals? [15:30] TJ-: ah I was wondering where rm lived :) ok I'll give this a try thank you [15:30] Groar: you mean the video display width x height of physical consoles? [15:30] yeah [15:30] iffraff: if you ever wonder do "which " - it'll search PATH and tell you [15:33] Hi all, what are the best practices for Upgrading from one version to the next one? Thanks [15:34] best linux channel? [15:36] Gosset: read the release notes *first* to learn about any gotchyas that may affect the install [15:36] I've read keeping /home separate from / is a good practice, but when upgrading to a new version things might get strange [15:36] Gosset: backups, remove all PPA's and the packages installed from them and have good backups. Also have multiple backups. [15:36] humm [15:37] Gosset: upgrading doesn't affect /home/ - what you seem to be referring to is *replacing* the installed OS with a nother [15:37] of course I backup everything [15:37] but it's at /home where are all the config files, isn't it? [15:37] I don't recommend just dumping /home back onto an install of a newer release. Restore from backups as needed and make sure things work for each setting/application [15:38] if I upgrade to a new version, those configurations might conflict? [15:38] hi, I need automatically execute a script from a squashfs image in order to update 20 or more machines, I tried to do that using the rc.local but nothing happens, someone has another approach? [15:39] hi! on xenial, I enabled dpmsQuickOff and set dpmsOff to 0:00:02 (2 seconds?) and xscreensaver actually turns off my screen backlight when it starts. however, sometimes after a short moment it reactivates the screen to show some yellow text, even though I disabled overlayStderr and verbose. also when the password dialog closes due to timeout, the screen will stay active and show yellow text. how to fix? [15:39] thanks TJ- [15:40] So I am to install Ubuntu on a 1TB SSD + 4TB HDD, what partition table scheme do you recommend [15:40] Gosset: configuration stored in user's home is never touched; only the system config files [15:41] ok [15:42] Gosset: I recommend keeping things simple, preferably some redundancy and having backups [15:42] so TJ- I assume you've been attached to a separate /home partition for years? [15:42] thanks leftyfb [15:42] you only upgrade Ubuntu versions? [15:42] TJ-: hello I need a bit more help. so seems like you are cat-ing a file that specifies some command. In my /etc/sudoers.d there is only a read me. secondly, is line 1 and 2 actually one line of bash? plus more if you are still there :) [15:42] Gosset: it makes no difference for standard do-release-upgrade from one release to another; /home/ isn't affected [15:43] because you upgrade the / [15:43] iffraff: you need to *create* the file(s) containing the entries and put the file in /etc/sudoers.d/ -- you don't need separate files, can use one. I just split mine up for ease of use since I have a LOT of them [15:43] I've been reading and watching some youtube videos about this and I don't understand quite well [15:44] Gosset: package upgrades never touch anything in /home/ because packages are not stored, nor put their system-wide configuration, in that directory. [15:44] Gosset: running the do-release-upgrade does not modify your partitions at all. It only upgrades packages and some configs [15:45] TJ-: sort of (snaps) ;) [15:45] I said *upgrade the / to simplify [15:45] Gosset: upgrading does not modify your partitions [15:45] leftyfb: snaps change things in $HOME (aside from their own image) ? [15:46] TJ-: I think so, though I don't know 100% === jcara_ is now known as jcara [15:46] leftyfb: ouch... if so, another reason to avoid snaps [15:47] TJ-: there's a "current" link to the latest version in the same directory in ~/snap//. I assume when upgrading to a newer version, that gets modified. Pretty benign, but a change non-the-less [15:48] then, may I ask what do you do when upgrading from 16:04 to 18:04 i.e. [15:48] just a single command? [15:48] leftyfb: thanks for telling me [15:48] Gosset: yes, as I said, "do-release-upgrade" [15:48] Gosset: desktop or server? [15:48] but after 4 o 5 versions, the system is still stable? [15:49] desktop [15:49] Gosset: there's a GUI to accomplish the same thing [15:49] I've been on 12.04 for 6 years.. [15:49] it's time to upgrade but.. [15:49] Gosset: a few weeks ago I d-r-u-ed from 12.04 to 18.04 [15:49] 12.04 was EOL'd 2 years ago [15:49] I know [15:49] TJ-: gross [15:49] Gosset: as in 12.04 > 14.04 > 16.04 >18.04 [15:50] Gosset: i just had to take time and care to ensure service configuration file customisations and changes in syntax didn't cause issues [15:50] amazed [15:50] I think I'm going to do a clean install [15:50] leftyfb: it was easy! the hard part is I've got to move that i386 18.04 to amd64 in-situ [15:51] Gosset: that is how I always do it. It's nice and refreshing [15:51] Gosset: for most desktop installs there's little to worry about for system service configuration. But on servers there's often a lot [15:52] I know, I use Ubuntu just for non serious things [15:52] nothing professional [15:52] leftyfb I agree [15:53] back when I used only Windows, I reinstalled the OS quite often [15:53] but it's because Ubuntu is so customazible that I wanted to keep all those tweaks [15:53] [sorry for my spanglish btw] [15:56] TJ-: ok so in the pastebin you sent is the second line what you put in the new file in sudoers.d? or do you put the command you are trying to execute? [15:57] iffraff: maybe I should remove the cat commands to make it clearer [15:59] actually I stopped being lame and googled it :) so thank you for the lead! however, this would require all users of the makefile to have the sudoer.d file in there system. this will be used by the whole team, I'm not sure if that's going to work [15:59] iffraff: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rn5mnTCMGy/ [16:00] iffraff: whatever you do you'll need to change config on every system [16:00] ug. well thank you, and thanks for the updated pastebin [16:00] iffraff: the only other option is to be able to repeatedly call "sudo --reset-timestamp" whilst the long-running process is running [16:03] ah, so it's not the case that the sudo times out for the particular console, it's that there's a good chance that the console has not yet had sudo password entered. I was hoping just to prompt for that step at the begining so when the first couple processes are done the user wont be prompted again. they are not really that long running just annoying to have to watch [16:08] iffraff: oh, I thought you meant the sudo timer was timing out [16:08] iffraff: in which case have the user issue a sudo somethingo-or-other harmless command at the start [16:08] iffraff: this doesn't help if you're doing automation of course, which is where NOPASSWD comes in [16:10] ah, cool so what would a "harmless" sudo command be? I imagine there must be something pretty simple. like maybe the reset-timestamp you mentioned [16:12] iffraff: "sudo echo hello" :) [16:15] oh, you just make any call with sudo. duh. :) thanks. [16:16] iffraff, all this sudo stuff sure seems like a rathole to me... wouldn't it be easier just to set the permissions on the shared directory so all the users can write it? [16:18] yes, that would make sense. but it's actually a volume that docker creates via a shared directory. but the solution is super easy as you point out. I just don't want to have to look up 10 minuets later to see it's still waiting for a password and has tons of work left to do. [16:18] so thank you!@ [16:18] I mean thank you! [16:31] unregged? [16:42] Running 19.04 - trying to do updates, and it's hanging on snapd stuff. Is this a known issue? I posted a screenshot. https://imgur.com/gallery/XJ6Bk9N [16:43] It's been in that same spot for almost an hour. === mkv is now known as m4v [16:46] Hello, I am extremely vexed by having notifications occurring in all different places of my workspace, some in the browser, some it slack, I get some via ubuntu but not all and the ubuntu notifications suck and have no custimization. Is there any app or plug in that can aggregate these nicely ? [16:47] iffraff: there are some settings in dconf-editor about notifications, but not really to group them [16:48] anyone experiencing this with lynx: https://pastebin.com/raw/dtkRf4gD [16:49] iffraff: za1b1tsu no. [16:49] err [16:49] za1b1tsu: no [16:49] lotuspsychje: so I mean I'm pretty sure that ubuntu gets all the notifications. it must expose them via some api, what sort of language or app would one need to build to plug that in? [16:50] za1b1tsu: probably some cloudflare voodoo [16:51] potentially having to do with behaviour observed from your IP address [16:53] *scratches head*, guess w3m for me [16:54] za1b1tsu: or you could just disable browser notifications. [16:56] ryuo, I don't get it [16:57] za1b1tsu: i've only seen browser notifications show up if you've agreed to allow a website to send them. [17:00] and that crashes lynx? [17:07] Btw, the link to the Packaging Guide in this website https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall is broken. Can it be fixed? [17:07] it should point to http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ [17:09] hola [17:09] hola [17:09] is there a way to give multiple valid PAM passwords to a user? I'm trying to hack physlock in a way that allows several users to unlock the screen. [17:10] Sven_vB, surely there is a better way? [17:11] Sven_vB: could you use a group password? [17:11] ... I didn't know those existed. That's cool. [17:13] TJ-, nope, it only accepts one username. also that's only in the version that xenial's apt accepts. the feature seems to have vanished from master, or Ubuntu uses a fork. [17:16] maybe I can use vlock instead, as I don't need power saving (except dpms) [17:24] Sven_vB: the only way I can think would be to use pam_mysql with a db backend that has multiple user records and checks all of them before returning success/failure to PAM [17:24] TJ-, thanks! I might try that if vlock doesn't work. [17:35] hi [17:35] i just built some upgrade .deb packages locally. how do I use them to do the upgrade? [17:35] <-- Ubuntu n00b [17:36] davidfetter_work, dpkg -i [17:36]