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[15:14] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-screensaver 0.1.6 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-screensaver-0-1-6-released-tp54408.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[15:21] <bluesabre> Going to upload the new xfce4-screensaver, then replace light-locker with it
[15:35] <bluesabre> So, if xubuntu-team currently has 8 members, does a vote require +4 or +5 to move along?
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: Is there any configuration in the defaults that has to be done to enable that, or will it happen automagically?
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> Asking for a friend.
[16:39] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer: should just require an update to the seed. You'll likely also want https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=650fd90df8d1e3e7b15fd789907fa47e9e2f68e5
[16:41] <bluesabre> ooooooooooh
[16:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: can you upload the screensaver? Since it's not in the seed, I can't upload it >.<
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: ack, I'lll take a look and change our settings likewise. 
[16:47] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Replace light-locker with xfce4-screensaver, sort packages (core) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=217489d90a1324b6ee94c90bee82e0e2e5cb3f84 (by Sean Davis)
[17:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Release xubuntu-default-settings 19.10.1 @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=330b4f01e6da3ca01f5c180e2419d8ebc955c016 (by Sean Davis)
[17:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: BTW, with xfce4-screensaver's last update, I no longer know how to have the screensaver daemon running, but only lock on request. :/
[17:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: Lock Screen tab, turn the first option on "Enable Lock Screen", and turn "Lock Screen with Screensaver" and "Lock Screen  with System Sleep" off
[17:47] <bluesabre> If it locks with those 2 settings, it's a bug :D
[17:48] <bluesabre> oh, and Xfce Power Manager also has some locking settings that might be up to no go
[17:48] <bluesabre> od
[17:49] <Unit193> That's what I have, even went so far as turning 'Activate screensaver when computer is idle' off.
[17:49] <bluesabre> xfpm's "Lock screen when system is going to sleep" is synchronized with xs
[17:49] <bluesabre> hm
[17:50] <Unit193> I could go back to .4, but that doesn't help anyone. :3
[17:50] <bluesabre> could launch "xfce4-screensaver --debug" to collect useful output
[17:50] <Unit193> OK
[17:51] <Unit193> I'm presuming I don't need to restart the daemon to activate changes?
[17:51] <bluesabre> Correct
[17:52] <Unit193> Considering it's when the screen goes to sleep (IIRC, blank doesn't trigger it.  Might be wrong.)
[18:01] <bluesabre> I'll also check it out
[18:01] <Unit193> Do you have a dsc for me to sponsor, or should I just grab it?
[18:02] <Unit193> Also: Do we intend to still support light-locker or no?
[18:03] <Unit193> PPS: light-locker and xfce4-screensaver will both end up installed for upgraders.
[18:03] <bluesabre> hmmm
[18:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/sponsoring/+sourcefiles/xfce4-screensaver/0.1.6-0ubuntu1/xfce4-screensaver_0.1.6-0ubuntu1.dsc
[18:06] <bluesabre> Unit193: what would you suggest on that? Should I make xss aware of light-locker and do something about it, or should we do some package not co-installable thing?
[18:09] <bluesabre> actually, might not be a major problem based on how xflock4 works
[18:10] <bluesabre> if multiple screensavers are installed, it tries until it finds one of: user preference, xss, others
[18:11] <brainwash> and in the other cases when xflock4 is not used?
[18:11] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrader/trunk/view/head:/data/DistUpgrade.cfg#L64 ?
[18:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: don't think I've ever seen that file, but that seems like a possibility
[18:15] <Unit193> Thought we did something like that for indicator-power?
[18:17] <bluesabre> https://xubuntu.org/news/14-10-release/
[18:17] <bluesabre> "Note: Upgraders from Trusty will not see the new xfce4-power-manager panel plugin by default, but instead stick to indicator-power. This can easily be resolved by uninstalling indicator-power and adding the “Power Manager Plugin” to the panel."
[18:17] <bluesabre> DIY :D
[18:19] <Unit193> Perhaps we should ask to ensure this is the right place, but yea.
[18:26] <bluesabre> Asked in -release
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: I just added xfce4-screensaver to our seed, but I can't add the fix to the live session (separate repo, in fact, still in bzr) as I don't have access to the complete packageset yet. The only person who does just went on a 4-week vacation and will be incommunicado.
[19:52] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer: that just means your live session will be lockable (either with timeout or by asking the computer to lock)
[20:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: just fyi - I'd played about with -screensaver a while back and gave up - only way I could stop it doing anything - which is what I wanted was to have power plugin permanently on presentation mode
[20:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: good to know. I'll do some deep testing this week to make sure it works as expected
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[21:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey doke - if you're changing seed - will installing it uninstall light-locker?
[21:27] <flocculant> I assume I'll see something in updates
[21:28] <bluesabre> flocculant: currently no, working on a solution for that
[21:28] <flocculant> ok - well I might chuck light-locker and install -screensaver tomorrow and see what it's like now
[21:29] <flocculant> with a PC - I don't really want then to do anything 
[21:29] <flocculant> if I want the screen off - I turn it off lol
[21:29] <bluesabre> :D
[21:30] <flocculant> I'll check it out and let you know what I find here anyway 
[21:30] <bluesabre> I have a monitor with a broken capacitative button... turning it off means unplugging it :)
[21:30]  * flocculant toddles off again
[21:30] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant 
[21:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: reboot at wall ... those were the days ha ha 
[21:32] <bluesabre> :)
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[21:38] <knome> so apparently lubuntu is taking donations now
[21:40] <Unit193> Oh dear...
[21:40] <ochosi> directly?
[21:40] <ochosi> i thought that wasn't allowed or something
[21:40] <knome> https://lubuntu.me/donate-to-lubuntu/
[21:40] <knome> directly, yes
[22:03] <Unit193> Uploading xfce4-screensaver_0.1.6-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[22:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: "Can we get more votes from the team?"  I had a -1, but it was over IRC.
[22:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks, just need even more :D
[22:10] <Unit193> :3
[22:10] <bluesabre> Since more folks are around now... with a team of 8, what's a passed team vote? 4 or 5 +1's?
[22:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: mind if I upload exo 0.12.6 (and break sync)?
[22:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: I presume the break is just 'new upstream'?  If so, that's what I've been doing, sure.
[22:12] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:16] <Unit193> http://www.rulesonline.com/rror-11.htm#64 "The quorum of any other deliberative assembly with an enrolled membership is a majority of all the members." which is 5.
[22:18] <bluesabre> awesome, thanks
[22:19] <Unit193> http://www.rulesonline.com/rror-08.htm for voting.
[22:22] <ochosi> regarding the whole kb-shortcuts discussion, i'd go for pushing as much as meaningful upstream to xfce
[22:25] <bluesabre> I'm open to that... but who do I run that by in upstream?
[22:25] <bluesabre> Everybody contributing to -settings in x timeframe?
[22:26] <ochosi> sure
[22:26] <ochosi> if it's just adding stuff i think that's easily acceptable
[22:27] <ochosi> it's more about changing existing stuff that may provoke reactions
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[22:35] <jphilipz> just curious when Ctrl+Alt+D was introduced and then replaced by Super+D for show desktop, as i dont have it in 18.04 or in the 19.10 daily i installed on the 23rd
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[22:56] <bluesabre> Unit193, flocculant: confirmed the behavior you described, will dig in and resolve
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