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-queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: libfm-qt (disco-proposed/universe) [0.14.1-0ubuntu2 => 0.14.1-0ubuntu2.1] (lubuntu)05:08
tsimonq2wxl: ^05:11
lubot<lynorian> SRU testing stuff05:20
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I ran sudo do-release-upgrade -d. And it says download will take 2 mins and after that actual upgrade may take hours, it doesn't know. I hit yes. Now downloading. How much time does it usually take for upgrade?05:28
tsimonq2It depends on your machine and network speed.05:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Network speed is good. I am running in a vm with 2gb ram.05:29
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Done. In 19.1005:59
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl window tilling is removed.14:37
lubot<HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl window tilling is removed.], @lynorian won't be happy14:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Should we keep window tilling?14:38
lubot<HMollerCl> I believe we should14:38
lubot<HMollerCl> but not with Meta or Super key14:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Alt+arrow keys?14:40
lynorianI understand why it was done unfortanetly15:56
lynorianI could always add it back15:56
lynorianif I really wanted to15:56
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Wait, why not Meta or Super?15:56
lynorian@universalsuperbox super would not work with opening menu on super as it would just open the menu15:59
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> KDE has solved that problem, it involves treating Super as a modifier and non-modifier key. But I understand that's not a simple solution16:00
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Standard for desktops that have that limitation is Control+Super16:00
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> +Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unmaximize)16:00
lubot<HMollerCl> @UniversalSuperBox problem is with openbox, in openbox there is no "release key" (for meta alone to open menu) and it conflicts with lxqt16:02
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl the Ctrl+Fx setup for switching to desktop 'x' is there currently. It is modified to Super+Fx since D18.16:24
lubot<HMollerCl> aaa ok. My point was that we could use ctrl+alt+arrows for the tiling instead as changing desktop becasue other keys allready do that.16:25
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> That also seems a little non-standard. Super+number launches a docked application in most DEs16:25
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Not that being nonstandard is a bad thing, just playing devil's advocate16:26
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @UniversalSuperBox [+Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unma …], Personally I like that.16:26
lubot<HMollerCl> ^we need to take care of this, good point @UniversalSuperBox we should use the standards, other wise we could broke othe things.16:26
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> By standard I mean "People notice it very clearly when it is gone". The trend was started by Windows 7 and Unity.16:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> There seems no standard. We could follow ubuntu. Wait Inwill send a link.16:27
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Unity had the same Super problem, though, so it used Control+Super for tiling16:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en16:29
lubot<HMollerCl> I think we should as much as we can. wxl?16:29
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard …], But that page also doesn't have any info about tilling.16:30
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> We could try to follow ubuntu but it's shortcuts are tailored for gnome. Not lxqt.16:31
lubot<HMollerCl> I know, that's why I say "as much as we can".16:32
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: waiting for you.16:32
lynorianfwiw alt+left or right arrow would break keyboard back and forward in firefox16:33
lubot<HMollerCl> yes, alt+ is normally use for the app controls.16:33
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Right, that's why shortcuts around Super are better for the desktop environment.16:33
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Pesky apps like those Control and Alt keys16:34
wxlthere's nothing wrong with using super16:39
wxljust not in openbox, at least not while we have super opening the menu in lxqt16:39
wxland personally i am *** NOT *** willing to base everything around supporting a crappy version of window tiling. that's something that should not get a first level shortcut16:40
wxlif we want to worry about what everyone else does, i totally support that but we should look at what EVERYONE else does. i think we'll find there are actually few standards at all16:41
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Every other DE has gone through this bug (Super can't be a modifier and a key) and fixed it. I don't think rejiggering your shortcuts is the real solution here, even though the real solution is way harder.16:41
wxlthe real solution is way harder when upstream kind of doesn't support it16:43
lubot<HMollerCl> there are 2 things: 1) openbox can't handle Super as modifier and key, but lxqt can. 2) openbox can do "tilinig" but lxqt can't.16:44
lubot<HMollerCl> With tham in min we can define the shortcuts to make them "standard"16:44
lubot<HMollerCl> so, leave all super to lxqt, and use another combination for tiling without super in openbox.16:45
wxlhttps://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/160516:45
wxlif we didn't use openbox, i'm sure we wouldn't have this problem16:45
ubot93Error: Could not get data from github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues: <urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname> (https://api.github.com/repos/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1605)16:45
wxl^^ Unit193 looks like ubot93 is broken 16:46
wxlanyone really familiar with dualbooting windows want to get in on this madness? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/oops-grub-and-windows-boot-loader-both-working/15516:48
apt-ghettoFirst, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and then he can remove grub from Lubuntu16:51
wxlit's all yours apt-ghetto :)16:51
apt-ghettoI am not registered16:52
wxli'm sure you can fix that :)16:52
kc2bezI had to DDG EasyBCD, never heard of that one before.16:52
apt-ghettoI fear, that after the successful registration, I will have less time to spend for programming and packaging and bug reporting16:54
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> Mute notifications lol16:54
wxlyuuup16:55
apt-ghettoA propos packaging: Is there something to do regarding the keyfile/initramfs problem?16:56
tewardapt-ghetto: you mean with Cala?16:57
apt-ghettoYes16:57
tewardnot until they have confirmed fixes, IMO, that work16:57
tewardeven if they don't have it in a 'release'16:57
tewardsince I think they said they had to test their 'committed workaround' 16:57
apt-ghettoThere are some commits, but they are not sure, if it will fix the problem16:57
tewardthat's why i said they have to test16:58
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> First, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and …], His windows bootloader is already in mbr. He just has to remove grub.17:05
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker sounds like YOU need to respond XD17:07
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! in a min.17:07
apt-ghettoAs far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also installed into the MBR and the system is booting Grub17:08
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: have you checked about D18? whether we need lxqt-globalconf separate or not?17:08
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> As far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also insta …], Yeah. but you mentioned he needs to reinstall windows bootmgr. he doesn't.17:09
apt-ghettoHe has to install the windows loader to overwrite Grub in the MBR, and then he can chainload bootmgr or grub17:10
wxlhaven't yet @The_LoudSpeaker17:11
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Yeah. I you are right. in mbr only last installed bootloader remains. My bad. XD17:11
apt-ghettoNo problem17:12
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lynorianWelcome back lugito18:34
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tsimonq2Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.18:37
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tsimonq2Good work lynorian :)18:37
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-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T8718:43
teward*derps and adds a task for reasons*18:43
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#133918:48
apt-ghettotsimonq2: I was playing with qemu and I replaced calamares from https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-ci-proposed/+build/17215555 (with the latest commits), but I got an error with initramfs during installation18:50
tsimonq2apt-ghetto: What's the error?18:52
apt-ghettohttps://termbin.com/3bdd18:52
tsimonq2apt-ghetto: Please ping [ade] in #calamares, that default timeout value needs to be raised I think.18:53
tsimonq2At least see what he thinks.18:53
apt-ghettoNot sure, if I forgot something or if it is a "known", but fixed bug18:53
apt-ghettoWe had some initramfs problem some weeks ago18:54
tsimonq2Right,18:55
tsimonq2My reasoning in asking him is that he rewrote that whole module.18:56
lubot<lynorian> I think that got fixed18:56
tsimonq2Right, the error we had got fixed.18:56
apt-ghettoAnd it is in the latest iso?18:58
tsimonq2The new version of Calamares isn't.18:58
tsimonq2We're a few versions ahead in the CI.18:59
tsimonq2However, we should probably look at getting this dealt with before we update the version in the ISO.18:59
tsimonq2Nice catch, apt-ghetto 18:59
apt-ghettoI downloaded calamares from the ci-proposed pocket and did a apt install ./calam...ppa18:59
tsimonq2Right19:00
tsimonq2The ISO currently has the tip of master.19:00
tsimonq2Actually...19:00
tsimonq2Ooh.19:00
tsimonq2I can probably work on doing a weekly ISO based off of the CI.19:01
tewardupdate: simon broke things :)19:01
tsimonq2teward: noU19:01
tsimonq2SSL certs borked again19:01
tsimonq2For reasons19:01
tewardevidence and information or die.19:01
teward:P19:01
tsimonq2nooope19:01
tsimonq2Neither19:01
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#134019:02
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#134119:04
kc2bezI didn't want to take cala too far for fear of incompatibility with kpmcore. That and [ADE] cranks out the new releases relentlessly :)19:07
lubot<tsimonq2> You'll want to update to 3.2.11 when it comes out though :)19:28
lubot<tsimonq2> But yeah, I get your point19:28
lubot<tsimonq2> We still have a few months to go in the development cycle19:28
apt-ghettoThere is another commit which sets the timeout to 120 seconds instead of 10 seconds19:30
apt-ghettoAnd in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package19:31
lubot<tsimonq2> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> And in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package], Or I can just trigger a build now ;)19:33
apt-ghettotsimonq2: You are very hard-working today, respect! And the missing ubuntu/eoan branch appeared as well in the lxqt-archiver repo19:41
tsimonq2Yep :D19:56
tsimonq2Thanks!19:56
kc2bezwxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want?22:27
teward@aptghetto it helps I'm lighting fires under Simon's butt today lol22:34
tewardit's why he's so productive :P22:34
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1f781fd2dc49: Fix show desktop shortcut in appendix F] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1f781fd2dc4923:14
lubot<tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want?], master23:15
wxlmaster of calamares is pulling your strings23:15
lubot<teward001> @tsimonq2 [master], that's what she made you say to her that one night.23:15
lubot<teward001> *shot*23:15
kc2bezOk, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there.23:16
lubot<tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Ok, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there.], I'll rearrange that later23:16
lubot<tsimonq2> For now, just use master23:16
wxlin case no one gets that reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Sr__xoD8c23:16
kc2bezIt is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks.23:16
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL088b8b182066: Fix launch pcmanfm-qt from openbox keyboard] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL088b8b18206623:18
lubot<tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> It is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks.], Thanks for checking :)23:38

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