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tsimonq2 | wxl: ^ | 05:11 |
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lubot | <lynorian> SRU testing stuff | 05:20 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I ran sudo do-release-upgrade -d. And it says download will take 2 mins and after that actual upgrade may take hours, it doesn't know. I hit yes. Now downloading. How much time does it usually take for upgrade? | 05:28 |
tsimonq2 | It depends on your machine and network speed. | 05:28 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Network speed is good. I am running in a vm with 2gb ram. | 05:29 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Done. In 19.10 | 05:59 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl window tilling is removed. | 14:37 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl window tilling is removed.], @lynorian won't be happy | 14:37 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Should we keep window tilling? | 14:38 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> I believe we should | 14:38 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> but not with Meta or Super key | 14:38 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Alt+arrow keys? | 14:40 |
lynorian | I understand why it was done unfortanetly | 15:56 |
lynorian | I could always add it back | 15:56 |
lynorian | if I really wanted to | 15:56 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Wait, why not Meta or Super? | 15:56 |
lynorian | @universalsuperbox super would not work with opening menu on super as it would just open the menu | 15:59 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> KDE has solved that problem, it involves treating Super as a modifier and non-modifier key. But I understand that's not a simple solution | 16:00 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Standard for desktops that have that limitation is Control+Super | 16:00 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> +Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unmaximize) | 16:00 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> @UniversalSuperBox problem is with openbox, in openbox there is no "release key" (for meta alone to open menu) and it conflicts with lxqt | 16:02 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl the Ctrl+Fx setup for switching to desktop 'x' is there currently. It is modified to Super+Fx since D18. | 16:24 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> aaa ok. My point was that we could use ctrl+alt+arrows for the tiling instead as changing desktop becasue other keys allready do that. | 16:25 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> That also seems a little non-standard. Super+number launches a docked application in most DEs | 16:25 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Not that being nonstandard is a bad thing, just playing devil's advocate | 16:26 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @UniversalSuperBox [+Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unma …], Personally I like that. | 16:26 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> ^we need to take care of this, good point @UniversalSuperBox we should use the standards, other wise we could broke othe things. | 16:26 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> By standard I mean "People notice it very clearly when it is gone". The trend was started by Windows 7 and Unity. | 16:27 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> There seems no standard. We could follow ubuntu. Wait Inwill send a link. | 16:27 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Unity had the same Super problem, though, so it used Control+Super for tiling | 16:28 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en | 16:29 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> I think we should as much as we can. wxl? | 16:29 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard …], But that page also doesn't have any info about tilling. | 16:30 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> We could try to follow ubuntu but it's shortcuts are tailored for gnome. Not lxqt. | 16:31 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> I know, that's why I say "as much as we can". | 16:32 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: waiting for you. | 16:32 |
lynorian | fwiw alt+left or right arrow would break keyboard back and forward in firefox | 16:33 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> yes, alt+ is normally use for the app controls. | 16:33 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Right, that's why shortcuts around Super are better for the desktop environment. | 16:33 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Pesky apps like those Control and Alt keys | 16:34 |
wxl | there's nothing wrong with using super | 16:39 |
wxl | just not in openbox, at least not while we have super opening the menu in lxqt | 16:39 |
wxl | and personally i am *** NOT *** willing to base everything around supporting a crappy version of window tiling. that's something that should not get a first level shortcut | 16:40 |
wxl | if we want to worry about what everyone else does, i totally support that but we should look at what EVERYONE else does. i think we'll find there are actually few standards at all | 16:41 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Every other DE has gone through this bug (Super can't be a modifier and a key) and fixed it. I don't think rejiggering your shortcuts is the real solution here, even though the real solution is way harder. | 16:41 |
wxl | the real solution is way harder when upstream kind of doesn't support it | 16:43 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> there are 2 things: 1) openbox can't handle Super as modifier and key, but lxqt can. 2) openbox can do "tilinig" but lxqt can't. | 16:44 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> With tham in min we can define the shortcuts to make them "standard" | 16:44 |
lubot | <HMollerCl> so, leave all super to lxqt, and use another combination for tiling without super in openbox. | 16:45 |
wxl | https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1605 | 16:45 |
wxl | if we didn't use openbox, i'm sure we wouldn't have this problem | 16:45 |
ubot93 | Error: Could not get data from github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues: <urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname> (https://api.github.com/repos/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1605) | 16:45 |
wxl | ^^ Unit193 looks like ubot93 is broken | 16:46 |
wxl | anyone really familiar with dualbooting windows want to get in on this madness? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/oops-grub-and-windows-boot-loader-both-working/155 | 16:48 |
apt-ghetto | First, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and then he can remove grub from Lubuntu | 16:51 |
wxl | it's all yours apt-ghetto :) | 16:51 |
apt-ghetto | I am not registered | 16:52 |
wxl | i'm sure you can fix that :) | 16:52 |
kc2bez | I had to DDG EasyBCD, never heard of that one before. | 16:52 |
apt-ghetto | I fear, that after the successful registration, I will have less time to spend for programming and packaging and bug reporting | 16:54 |
lubot | <UniversalSuperBox> Mute notifications lol | 16:54 |
wxl | yuuup | 16:55 |
apt-ghetto | A propos packaging: Is there something to do regarding the keyfile/initramfs problem? | 16:56 |
teward | apt-ghetto: you mean with Cala? | 16:57 |
apt-ghetto | Yes | 16:57 |
teward | not until they have confirmed fixes, IMO, that work | 16:57 |
teward | even if they don't have it in a 'release' | 16:57 |
teward | since I think they said they had to test their 'committed workaround' | 16:57 |
apt-ghetto | There are some commits, but they are not sure, if it will fix the problem | 16:57 |
teward | that's why i said they have to test | 16:58 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> First, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and …], His windows bootloader is already in mbr. He just has to remove grub. | 17:05 |
wxl | @The_LoudSpeaker sounds like YOU need to respond XD | 17:07 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! in a min. | 17:07 |
apt-ghetto | As far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also installed into the MBR and the system is booting Grub | 17:08 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: have you checked about D18? whether we need lxqt-globalconf separate or not? | 17:08 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> As far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also insta …], Yeah. but you mentioned he needs to reinstall windows bootmgr. he doesn't. | 17:09 |
apt-ghetto | He has to install the windows loader to overwrite Grub in the MBR, and then he can chainload bootmgr or grub | 17:10 |
wxl | haven't yet @The_LoudSpeaker | 17:11 |
lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Yeah. I you are right. in mbr only last installed bootloader remains. My bad. XD | 17:11 |
apt-ghetto | No problem | 17:12 |
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lynorian | Welcome back lugito | 18:34 |
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-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALca7293f675f6: Add keyboard bindings openbox with rest of appendix F thanks wxl] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALca7293f675f6 | 18:37 | |
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tsimonq2 | Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. | 18:37 |
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-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALee619b7c9722: Properly style fast menu text] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALee619b7c9722 | 18:37 | |
tsimonq2 | Good work lynorian :) | 18:37 |
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-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcab947d380cc: Add summary of Fast Menu tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcab947d380cc | 18:38 | |
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-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87 | 18:43 | |
teward | *derps and adds a task for reasons* | 18:43 |
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1339 | 18:48 | |
apt-ghetto | tsimonq2: I was playing with qemu and I replaced calamares from https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-ci-proposed/+build/17215555 (with the latest commits), but I got an error with initramfs during installation | 18:50 |
tsimonq2 | apt-ghetto: What's the error? | 18:52 |
apt-ghetto | https://termbin.com/3bdd | 18:52 |
tsimonq2 | apt-ghetto: Please ping [ade] in #calamares, that default timeout value needs to be raised I think. | 18:53 |
tsimonq2 | At least see what he thinks. | 18:53 |
apt-ghetto | Not sure, if I forgot something or if it is a "known", but fixed bug | 18:53 |
apt-ghetto | We had some initramfs problem some weeks ago | 18:54 |
tsimonq2 | Right, | 18:55 |
tsimonq2 | My reasoning in asking him is that he rewrote that whole module. | 18:56 |
lubot | <lynorian> I think that got fixed | 18:56 |
tsimonq2 | Right, the error we had got fixed. | 18:56 |
apt-ghetto | And it is in the latest iso? | 18:58 |
tsimonq2 | The new version of Calamares isn't. | 18:58 |
tsimonq2 | We're a few versions ahead in the CI. | 18:59 |
tsimonq2 | However, we should probably look at getting this dealt with before we update the version in the ISO. | 18:59 |
tsimonq2 | Nice catch, apt-ghetto | 18:59 |
apt-ghetto | I downloaded calamares from the ci-proposed pocket and did a apt install ./calam...ppa | 18:59 |
tsimonq2 | Right | 19:00 |
tsimonq2 | The ISO currently has the tip of master. | 19:00 |
tsimonq2 | Actually... | 19:00 |
tsimonq2 | Ooh. | 19:00 |
tsimonq2 | I can probably work on doing a weekly ISO based off of the CI. | 19:01 |
teward | update: simon broke things :) | 19:01 |
tsimonq2 | teward: noU | 19:01 |
tsimonq2 | SSL certs borked again | 19:01 |
tsimonq2 | For reasons | 19:01 |
teward | evidence and information or die. | 19:01 |
teward | :P | 19:01 |
tsimonq2 | nooope | 19:01 |
tsimonq2 | Neither | 19:01 |
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1340 | 19:02 | |
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1341 | 19:04 | |
kc2bez | I didn't want to take cala too far for fear of incompatibility with kpmcore. That and [ADE] cranks out the new releases relentlessly :) | 19:07 |
lubot | <tsimonq2> You'll want to update to 3.2.11 when it comes out though :) | 19:28 |
lubot | <tsimonq2> But yeah, I get your point | 19:28 |
lubot | <tsimonq2> We still have a few months to go in the development cycle | 19:28 |
apt-ghetto | There is another commit which sets the timeout to 120 seconds instead of 10 seconds | 19:30 |
apt-ghetto | And in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package | 19:31 |
lubot | <tsimonq2> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> And in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package], Or I can just trigger a build now ;) | 19:33 |
apt-ghetto | tsimonq2: You are very hard-working today, respect! And the missing ubuntu/eoan branch appeared as well in the lxqt-archiver repo | 19:41 |
tsimonq2 | Yep :D | 19:56 |
tsimonq2 | Thanks! | 19:56 |
kc2bez | wxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want? | 22:27 |
teward | @aptghetto it helps I'm lighting fires under Simon's butt today lol | 22:34 |
teward | it's why he's so productive :P | 22:34 |
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1f781fd2dc49: Fix show desktop shortcut in appendix F] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1f781fd2dc49 | 23:14 | |
lubot | <tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want?], master | 23:15 |
wxl | master of calamares is pulling your strings | 23:15 |
lubot | <teward001> @tsimonq2 [master], that's what she made you say to her that one night. | 23:15 |
lubot | <teward001> *shot* | 23:15 |
kc2bez | Ok, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there. | 23:16 |
lubot | <tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Ok, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there.], I'll rearrange that later | 23:16 |
lubot | <tsimonq2> For now, just use master | 23:16 |
wxl | in case no one gets that reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Sr__xoD8c | 23:16 |
kc2bez | It is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks. | 23:16 |
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL088b8b182066: Fix launch pcmanfm-qt from openbox keyboard] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL088b8b182066 | 23:18 | |
lubot | <tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> It is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks.], Thanks for checking :) | 23:38 |
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