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[05:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^
 SRU testing stuff
 I ran sudo do-release-upgrade -d. And it says download will take 2 mins and after that actual upgrade may take hours, it doesn't know. I hit yes. Now downloading. How much time does it usually take for upgrade?
[05:28] <tsimonq2> It depends on your machine and network speed.
 Network speed is good. I am running in a vm with 2gb ram.
 Done. In 19.10
 @HMollerCl window tilling is removed.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl window tilling is removed.], @lynorian won't be happy
 Should we keep window tilling?
 I believe we should
 but not with Meta or Super key
 Alt+arrow keys?
[15:56] <lynorian> I understand why it was done unfortanetly
[15:56] <lynorian> I could always add it back
[15:56] <lynorian> if I really wanted to
 Wait, why not Meta or Super?
[15:59] <lynorian> @universalsuperbox super would not work with opening menu on super as it would just open the menu
 KDE has solved that problem, it involves treating Super as a modifier and non-modifier key. But I understand that's not a simple solution
 Standard for desktops that have that limitation is Control+Super
 +Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unmaximize)
 @UniversalSuperBox problem is with openbox, in openbox there is no "release key" (for meta alone to open menu) and it conflicts with lxqt
 @HMollerCl the Ctrl+Fx setup for switching to desktop 'x' is there currently. It is modified to Super+Fx since D18.
 aaa ok. My point was that we could use ctrl+alt+arrows for the tiling instead as changing desktop becasue other keys allready do that.
 That also seems a little non-standard. Super+number launches a docked application in most DEs
 Not that being nonstandard is a bad thing, just playing devil's advocate
 @UniversalSuperBox [+Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unma …], Personally I like that.
 ^we need to take care of this, good point @UniversalSuperBox we should use the standards, other wise we could broke othe things.
 By standard I mean "People notice it very clearly when it is gone". The trend was started by Windows 7 and Unity.
 There seems no standard. We could follow ubuntu. Wait Inwill send a link.
 Unity had the same Super problem, though, so it used Control+Super for tiling
 Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en
 I think we should as much as we can. wxl?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard …], But that page also doesn't have any info about tilling.
 We could try to follow ubuntu but it's shortcuts are tailored for gnome. Not lxqt.
 I know, that's why I say "as much as we can".
 wxl: waiting for you.
[16:33] <lynorian> fwiw alt+left or right arrow would break keyboard back and forward in firefox
 yes, alt+ is normally use for the app controls.
 Right, that's why shortcuts around Super are better for the desktop environment.
 Pesky apps like those Control and Alt keys
[16:39] <wxl> there's nothing wrong with using super
[16:39] <wxl> just not in openbox, at least not while we have super opening the menu in lxqt
[16:40] <wxl> and personally i am *** NOT *** willing to base everything around supporting a crappy version of window tiling. that's something that should not get a first level shortcut
[16:41] <wxl> if we want to worry about what everyone else does, i totally support that but we should look at what EVERYONE else does. i think we'll find there are actually few standards at all
 Every other DE has gone through this bug (Super can't be a modifier and a key) and fixed it. I don't think rejiggering your shortcuts is the real solution here, even though the real solution is way harder.
[16:43] <wxl> the real solution is way harder when upstream kind of doesn't support it
 there are 2 things: 1) openbox can't handle Super as modifier and key, but lxqt can. 2) openbox can do "tilinig" but lxqt can't.
 With tham in min we can define the shortcuts to make them "standard"
 so, leave all super to lxqt, and use another combination for tiling without super in openbox.
[16:45] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1605
[16:45] <wxl> if we didn't use openbox, i'm sure we wouldn't have this problem
[16:46] <wxl> ^^ Unit193 looks like ubot93 is broken 
[16:48] <wxl> anyone really familiar with dualbooting windows want to get in on this madness? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/oops-grub-and-windows-boot-loader-both-working/155
[16:51] <apt-ghetto> First, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and then he can remove grub from Lubuntu
[16:51] <wxl> it's all yours apt-ghetto :)
[16:52] <apt-ghetto> I am not registered
[16:52] <wxl> i'm sure you can fix that :)
[16:52] <kc2bez> I had to DDG EasyBCD, never heard of that one before.
[16:54] <apt-ghetto> I fear, that after the successful registration, I will have less time to spend for programming and packaging and bug reporting
 Mute notifications lol
[16:55] <wxl> yuuup
[16:56] <apt-ghetto> A propos packaging: Is there something to do regarding the keyfile/initramfs problem?
[16:57] <teward> apt-ghetto: you mean with Cala?
[16:57] <apt-ghetto> Yes
[16:57] <teward> not until they have confirmed fixes, IMO, that work
[16:57] <teward> even if they don't have it in a 'release'
[16:57] <teward> since I think they said they had to test their 'committed workaround' 
[16:57] <apt-ghetto> There are some commits, but they are not sure, if it will fix the problem
[16:58] <teward> that's why i said they have to test
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> First, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and …], His windows bootloader is already in mbr. He just has to remove grub.
[17:07] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker sounds like YOU need to respond XD
 Yup! in a min.
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> As far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also installed into the MBR and the system is booting Grub
 wxl: have you checked about D18? whether we need lxqt-globalconf separate or not?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> As far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also insta …], Yeah. but you mentioned he needs to reinstall windows bootmgr. he doesn't.
[17:10] <apt-ghetto> He has to install the windows loader to overwrite Grub in the MBR, and then he can chainload bootmgr or grub
[17:11] <wxl> haven't yet @The_LoudSpeaker
 Yeah. I you are right. in mbr only last installed bootloader remains. My bad. XD
[17:12] <apt-ghetto> No problem
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[18:34] <lynorian> Welcome back lugito
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[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING3cdce7d79da6: update for Lubuntu Seed af3d2c7f3ea1] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING3cdce7d79da6
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL154b4c6e267a: Add italic text to noblenote] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL154b4c6e267a
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1fb66b353f1e: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1fb66b353f1e
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1322
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL950e9925415c: Add primary display selection] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL950e9925415c
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#1256
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALca7293f675f6: Add keyboard bindings openbox with rest of appendix F thanks wxl] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALca7293f675f6
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5fcbbafa331b: Add how to encrypt partitions] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5fcbbafa331b
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGINGa7cedd86d6cc: Update README with depends] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGINGa7cedd86d6cc
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1327
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe60c64c267f7: Add impress background gradient screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe60c64c267f7
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALee619b7c9722: Properly style fast menu text] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALee619b7c9722
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGING4e3f68e82b01: Upload to Disco.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGING4e3f68e82b01
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1260
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL711fbcbeebb0: Style set position tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL711fbcbeebb0
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL676ddb6692c5: Add default fonts for noblenote] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL676ddb6692c5
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL05964ef4a076: Add  multimonitor fast screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL05964ef4a076
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1251
[18:37] <tsimonq2> Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T32: Make checksum verification automatic] Tj (Tj) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T32#1235
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALee619b7c9722: Properly style fast menu text] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALee619b7c9722
[18:37] <tsimonq2> Good work lynorian :)
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL979819c8b153: Add extending displays and boxes for exact pixel alignment] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL979819c8b153
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#1244
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T25: Make Calamares work well with smaller screens] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T25#1317
[18:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1313
[18:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcab947d380cc: Add summary of Fast Menu tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcab947d380cc
[18:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2eb69e58a27d: Update lxqt-panel-config.png screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2eb69e58a27d
[18:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87
[18:43] <teward> *derps and adds a task for reasons*
[18:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1339
[18:50] <apt-ghetto> tsimonq2: I was playing with qemu and I replaced calamares from https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-ci-proposed/+build/17215555 (with the latest commits), but I got an error with initramfs during installation
[18:52] <tsimonq2> apt-ghetto: What's the error?
[18:52] <apt-ghetto> https://termbin.com/3bdd
[18:53] <tsimonq2> apt-ghetto: Please ping [ade] in #calamares, that default timeout value needs to be raised I think.
[18:53] <tsimonq2> At least see what he thinks.
[18:53] <apt-ghetto> Not sure, if I forgot something or if it is a "known", but fixed bug
[18:54] <apt-ghetto> We had some initramfs problem some weeks ago
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Right,
[18:56] <tsimonq2> My reasoning in asking him is that he rewrote that whole module.
 I think that got fixed
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Right, the error we had got fixed.
[18:58] <apt-ghetto> And it is in the latest iso?
[18:58] <tsimonq2> The new version of Calamares isn't.
[18:59] <tsimonq2> We're a few versions ahead in the CI.
[18:59] <tsimonq2> However, we should probably look at getting this dealt with before we update the version in the ISO.
[18:59] <tsimonq2> Nice catch, apt-ghetto 
[18:59] <apt-ghetto> I downloaded calamares from the ci-proposed pocket and did a apt install ./calam...ppa
[19:00] <tsimonq2> Right
[19:00] <tsimonq2> The ISO currently has the tip of master.
[19:00] <tsimonq2> Actually...
[19:00] <tsimonq2> Ooh.
[19:01] <tsimonq2> I can probably work on doing a weekly ISO based off of the CI.
[19:01] <teward> update: simon broke things :)
[19:01] <tsimonq2> teward: noU
[19:01] <tsimonq2> SSL certs borked again
[19:01] <tsimonq2> For reasons
[19:01] <teward> evidence and information or die.
[19:01] <teward> :P
[19:01] <tsimonq2> nooope
[19:01] <tsimonq2> Neither
[19:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1340
[19:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1341
[19:07] <kc2bez> I didn't want to take cala too far for fear of incompatibility with kpmcore. That and [ADE] cranks out the new releases relentlessly :)
 You'll want to update to 3.2.11 when it comes out though :)
 But yeah, I get your point
 We still have a few months to go in the development cycle
[19:30] <apt-ghetto> There is another commit which sets the timeout to 120 seconds instead of 10 seconds
[19:31] <apt-ghetto> And in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> And in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package], Or I can just trigger a build now ;)
[19:41] <apt-ghetto> tsimonq2: You are very hard-working today, respect! And the missing ubuntu/eoan branch appeared as well in the lxqt-archiver repo
[19:56] <tsimonq2> Yep :D
[19:56] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[22:27] <kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want?
[22:34] <teward> @aptghetto it helps I'm lighting fires under Simon's butt today lol
[22:34] <teward> it's why he's so productive :P
[23:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1f781fd2dc49: Fix show desktop shortcut in appendix F] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1f781fd2dc49
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want?], master
[23:15] <wxl> master of calamares is pulling your strings
 @tsimonq2 [master], that's what she made you say to her that one night.
 *shot*
[23:16] <kc2bez> Ok, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Ok, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there.], I'll rearrange that later
 For now, just use master
[23:16] <wxl> in case no one gets that reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Sr__xoD8c
[23:16] <kc2bez> It is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks.
[23:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL088b8b182066: Fix launch pcmanfm-qt from openbox keyboard] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL088b8b182066
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> It is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks.], Thanks for checking :)