| sappheiros | are the steps for burning CD identical as those for DVD? https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html?highlight=iso | 01:40 |
|---|---|---|
| sappheiros | ... is a CD-RW not big enough for lubuntu 18.04.2? | 01:40 |
| sappheiros | ugh | 01:41 |
| sappheiros | i'm so dumb | 01:41 |
| sappheiros | of course not | 01:41 |
| sappheiros | CD-RW is 700 MB; need 2 GB ... nevermind | 01:41 |
| sappheiros | would you please link to backup instructions at https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html?highlight=backup ? | 01:45 |
| sappheiros | erm ... if there is a one-click-backup for all files and settings | 01:46 |
| sappheiros | like Apple's Time Machine or Microsoft's Backup feature ... | 01:46 |
| sappheiros | i guess there isn't one? | 01:46 |
| sappheiros | it doesn't seem listed under System Tools, where i'd expect to find it https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/System_Tools_and_Preferences.html | 01:46 |
| * sappheiros searches http://askubuntu.com/ | 01:47 | |
| sappheiros | https://askubuntu.com/questions/209512/lubuntu-and-backup-software is six years old, so i suppose it no longer applies | 01:47 |
| === BrianG61UK__ is now known as BrianG61UK | ||
| wxl | sappheiros: there's no one backup solution. we don't include one by default. might not be a bad idea. go try some things and see what you like :) | 03:07 |
| wxl | maybe kbackup? | 03:08 |
| wxl | or luckybackup | 03:09 |
| sappheiros | wxl: i was manually copying files ... ... am i stupid or just getting old? | 03:33 |
| sappheiros | nah, probably just tired and focusing my attention on other things | 03:33 |
| wxl | sappheiros: it can work, but it's kind of rudimentary. you might want to at least use rsync | 03:34 |
| sappheiros | lol thanks ... looks like rsync does automatically exactly what i was doing visually | 03:35 |
| sappheiros | *manually | 03:35 |
| sappheiros | wxl: do you learn these commands just by using linux over many years? | 03:36 |
| sappheiros | or should i do more searching and more webpage reading? | 03:36 |
| sappheiros | i dislike searching and reading search results because it seems like digging for gold | 03:37 |
| wxl | ever heard of `apropos`? | 03:37 |
| sappheiros | um ... as an adjective ... | 03:38 |
| sappheiros | oh. | 03:38 |
| sappheiros | i think someone in #ubuntu told me about it once. | 03:38 |
| sappheiros | isn't it a search keyword to find command feature? | 03:38 |
| wxl | woudln't work in this case, but it often helps | 03:38 |
| wxl | then you can use `man` to figure out how to use it | 03:38 |
| wxl | you can also search ubuntu packages with `apt-cache search` | 03:38 |
| sappheiros | apropos sync does list rsync | 03:39 |
| wxl | yeah but not backup | 03:39 |
| sappheiros | oh. you are saying backup is more sophisticated than syncing files to an external hard drive because it can be read from and restoring data faster than copying files? | 03:40 |
| sappheiros | oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper? | 03:41 |
| wxl | well ultimately you want something that automates it for you | 03:41 |
| sappheiros | my concern though is if it backs up settings, trying to restore settings to 18.04 (from 18.10) might "break the system", i mean cause problems | 03:41 |
| wxl | it's helpful to have something that only gives you delta backups, too | 03:41 |
| sappheiros | delta backup = only incremental changes are recorded like apple's Time Machine? | 03:42 |
| wxl | yeah | 03:42 |
| sappheiros | but is a backup appropriate if switching from 18.10 to 18.04? | 03:42 |
| wxl | backup at all times :) | 03:42 |
| sappheiros | i mean, rather than copying documents and moving only documents over | 03:42 |
| wxl | but why would you downgrade???? | 03:42 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @sappheiros [<sappheiros> oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper?], You can use Timeshift. It can backup user files. | 03:42 |
| sappheiros | because i found 18.10 will not receive security patches after July 2019, but 18.04 will continue receiving security patches until April 2021 | 03:43 |
| sappheiros | is that not true? | 03:43 |
| wxl | yes but lxde is a dead end | 03:43 |
| sappheiros | but so is this 32-bit computer, and i don't have the money yet to buy a new one | 03:43 |
| sappheiros | and i might not have the money until after March 2020 | 03:43 |
| sappheiros | *march 2021 | 03:44 |
| wxl | meh | 03:44 |
| wxl | the whole i386 thing is a litte uncertain | 03:44 |
| sappheiros | should i try to install 19.04 on it? | 03:45 |
| sappheiros | i thought it was 64-bit | 03:45 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> It is 64 bit only. | 03:45 |
| wxl | the installer is | 03:45 |
| wxl | but packages are available | 03:46 |
| wxl | 32 bit packages in 19.10+ are a bit uncertain | 03:46 |
| sappheiros | i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and The_LoudSpeaker said but it couldn't find the package | 03:47 |
| wxl | it's only in a ppa https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift#ubuntu-based-distributions | 03:51 |
| sappheiros | wxl: that explains why it wasn't in muon package manager i guess | 03:51 |
| sappheiros | someone on a forum -- and i think #ubuntu -- says ppa is "at your own risk", isn't it? | 03:52 |
| sappheiros | as a beginner, shouldn't i stick to official packages? | 03:52 |
| wxl | in *general* i would say yes | 03:52 |
| wxl | in this case, it seems the developer is providing it, so i would say the risk is relatively small | 03:52 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and …], You have to add Timeshift ppa. | 03:55 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> @damiron [<damiron> есть замена ему и как], Мы создали группу русскоязычных на Telegram. Присоединяйся к нам: … @Lubuntu_Ru … We created a group of Russian speakers on the Telegram. Join us: … @Lubuntu_Ru | 07:26 |
| lubot | <JyotiGomes> @toly [<toly> А Я ЛУБУНТУ], ... | 07:32 |
| lubot | ctisme was added by: ctisme | 12:26 |
| lubot | <ctisme> the lubuntu 19.04 here is running 3 days... now i lost icon network manager on the task bar, what's the command to open the icon again? | 12:29 |
| apt-ghetto | Try `nm-tray &` | 12:32 |
| lubot | <ctisme> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Try `nm-tray &`], alt+F2 then … nm-tray | 13:26 |
| apt-ghetto | Check also your session settings | 13:27 |
| apt-ghetto | In the Autostart section, you should enable nm-tray | 13:27 |
| === service is now known as Guest34932 | ||
| Guest34932 | ok | 15:54 |
| === lubuntu is now known as Guest95175 | ||
| sappheiros | how do i change keyboard layout in trial USB boot up? it isn't in mouse and keyboard | 16:36 |
| sappheiros | lubuntu 18.04.2 | 16:36 |
| apt-ghetto | You can open a terminal and execute for example `setxkbmap it` for the italian keyboard layout | 16:38 |
| sappheiros | apt-ghetto: i was hoping for a GUI so i could be sure to set the correct keyboard | 16:39 |
| apt-ghetto | Maybe there is a GUI solution | 16:40 |
| sappheiros | i don't see a way to search to find the English dvorak layout name. | 16:40 |
| apt-ghetto | Should be `setxkbmap us dvorak` | 16:42 |
| apt-ghetto | But now I have to reboot because I can't write correctly :) | 16:43 |
| sappheiros | thanks... | 16:44 |
| apt-ghetto | With `man 7 xkeyboard-config` you can check the possible values | 16:44 |
| sappheiros | how did you learnt hat? | 16:45 |
| sappheiros | is 7 a command/ | 16:46 |
| sappheiros | ? | 16:46 |
| sappheiros | well, thanks for showing me how to change the keyboard layout ... that did indeed work. | 16:46 |
| apt-ghetto | 7 is the section where the manpage is | 16:47 |
| sappheiros | hm ... | 16:47 |
| sappheiros | LXTerminal doesn't look as it did when using the live USB 18.04.2. why do you suppose? | 19:26 |
| wxl | cuz something changed? | 19:29 |
| * wxl ducks | 19:30 | |
| * sappheiros throws terminal's corrupted text at wxl | 19:30 | |
| sappheiros | i'm using weechat now, but the font looks ... well, broken after chnaging it in preferences | 19:31 |
| sappheiros | only thought is to try restarting terminal. | 19:31 |
| wxl | oh the font huh hm | 19:32 |
| wxl | under preferences what's your terminal font? | 19:32 |
| sappheiros | i just changed it to Ubuntu Mono Bold 10 which displays properly. many of the other fonts don't. | 19:33 |
| wxl | which one doesn't? | 19:34 |
| sappheiros | okay, let me find one ... | 19:34 |
| sappheiros | for example ... | 19:34 |
| sappheiros | Sans Regular | 19:34 |
| sappheiros | ugh, and now Ubuntu Regular is broken too | 19:34 |
| wxl | what defines "broken?" | 19:35 |
| sappheiros | Ubuntu Mono Regular is okay. | 19:35 |
| sappheiros | barely legible, letters all scrunched together or else oddly spaced | 19:35 |
| sappheiros | it seems only 'mono' type fonts work in LXTerminal. | 19:35 |
| wxl | well i mean they're kind of the only ones that make sense | 19:35 |
| sappheiros | why is that? because terminal is monospace by design? | 19:36 |
| wxl | you tried non-monospace in live? | 19:36 |
| sappheiros | can noblenote data be imported into xpad? | 19:36 |
| lynorian | sappheiros: never tried that | 19:36 |
| sappheiros | no, but the default was much better looking than the default after installation | 19:37 |
| sappheiros | hence i tried changing the font | 19:37 |
| sappheiros | hence discovering the problem with non-monospaced fonts | 19:37 |
| sappheiros | so there is something odd about terminal display in live USB vs actual install | 19:37 |
| sappheiros | i mean, some discrepancy | 19:37 |
| wxl | many command line utilities are predicated on the notion of regular alignment of text inherient in monospace fonts | 19:37 |
| sappheiros | what font d'you use? | 19:37 |
| wxl | i have never noticed that personally | 19:37 |
| wxl | well | 19:37 |
| wxl | don't ask me, cuz i don't even use lxterminal :) | 19:38 |
| sappheiros | don't be a hater T_T | 19:38 |
| sappheiros | 32-bit 4 lyfe | 19:38 |
| lynorian | yep monospace works best in temrinals | 19:38 |
| * sappheiros goes to get 32-bit tattood on his ... secret location ... | 19:38 | |
| wxl | that said i appear to be on Noto Mono | 19:38 |
| wxl | which i guess i've been lazy about changing | 19:39 |
| sappheiros | i have only noto mono CJK stuff installed. are you using an asian install or regional format? | 19:39 |
| wxl | no | 19:39 |
| * sappheiros recently installed japanese language support | 19:39 | |
| sappheiros | yours isn't CJK? | 19:39 |
| wxl | i mean it is by default | 19:40 |
| sappheiros | wxl is astoundingly good at giving noncomittal or answers that confuse me ... | 19:42 |
| wxl | i was not non-commital | 19:43 |
| wxl | noto is CJK by default | 19:43 |
| sappheiros | i mean your response there doesn't really say whether yours says 'CJK' or not in the font selection name space | 19:43 |
| sappheiros | you're like "could be" | 19:43 |
| sappheiros | "could've been" | 19:43 |
| sappheiros | "might still be" :P | 19:43 |
| wxl | EVERY noto is CJK | 19:43 |
| sappheiros | ah. i didn't know that. | 19:43 |
| wxl | you know what noto stands for right? | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | ... but noto is in italy >_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | i have no clue | 19:44 |
| * wxl facepalms | 19:44 | |
| sappheiros | lol | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | ah. https://www.google.com/get/noto/ | 19:44 |
| sappheiros | ... ;_; i like tofu | 19:44 |
| wxl | this is tofu as it relates to fonts | 19:45 |
| wxl | which isn't as tasty | 19:45 |
| sappheiros | it's not tofu's fault if the font didn't season it | 19:45 |
| sappheiros | does firefox spy on me? | 19:46 |
| sappheiros | why is it default for lubuntu? | 19:46 |
| wxl | what would you prefer? | 19:46 |
| sappheiros | ... not being spied on >_> um ... falkon maybe? | 19:46 |
| sappheiros | but someone said falkon was KDE-based | 19:46 |
| sappheiros | and that i'd have to install a ton of KDE dependencies | 19:46 |
| wxl | in what way is firefox spying on you? | 19:46 |
| sappheiros | default opened tab on first use: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ | 19:47 |
| sappheiros | apparently it logs search terms for example | 19:47 |
| lynorian | I didn't think falkon had that many kde dependencies most are still qt based | 19:47 |
| wxl | did you see the word "if" there? | 19:47 |
| wxl | or the phrase "by default?" | 19:48 |
| wxl | or the word "choose?" | 19:48 |
| wxl | that said, how do you know falkon doesn't do that but just isn't so adamant about being so transparent? | 19:48 |
| sappheiros | because if i can't see them then they can't see me. >_> that's how that works. | 19:49 |
| * sappheiros is starting to think wxl never went to kindergarten. | 19:49 | |
| * wxl is starting to think sappheiros is still there | 19:49 | |
| sappheiros | lol | 19:49 |
| sappheiros | ... it's just that from all the news i see it seems the more popular a product a company produces, the more evil that company is. | 19:50 |
| sappheiros | i guess i don't have a logical argument though. | 19:50 |
| wxl | i can safely say that mozilla is pretty non-evil | 19:51 |
| sappheiros | you broke the wheels off my emotion skateboard ;_; | 19:51 |
| sappheiros | >:< | 19:51 |
| wxl | do you know how hard it is to break skateboard wheels? | 19:51 |
| sappheiros | lol | 19:51 |
| wxl | if you want to install another browser, do it | 19:51 |
| sappheiros | nah | 19:52 |
| wxl | that's the beauty of linux: freedom | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | i'ma try firefoxie again | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | "less is more" right? | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | like, if i can use default software ... | 19:52 |
| wxl | not always | 19:52 |
| wxl | i mean you can use lynx | 19:52 |
| wxl | that's REALLY less | 19:52 |
| * sappheiros gasps | 19:52 | |
| wxl | OR BETTER YET JUST USE TELNET | 19:52 |
| lynorian | less is an amazing pager | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | i forgot about lynx! today i mean. | 19:52 |
| sappheiros | well, firefox does seem as fast as falkon now | 19:53 |
| sappheiros | i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10 | 19:53 |
| sappheiros | maybe even faster right now ... | 19:53 |
| * sappheiros checks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet | 19:53 | |
| * lynorian can't stand using more | 19:54 | |
| sappheiros | do you still use telnet? | 19:54 |
| wxl | for network debugging | 19:54 |
| sappheiros | lynorian: change your name to mynorian. be consistent. :P | 19:54 |
| wxl | sappheiros: https://asciinema.org/a/pjDs0qCQKLvDBZMsujejMtE4C | 20:02 |
| wxl | that's real web surfing | 20:03 |
| sappheiros | how come you're not in #ubuntu-offtopic wxl? | 20:03 |
| wxl | i am. you're not | 20:03 |
| sappheiros | ?? | 20:09 |
| sappheiros | under a different account? | 20:10 |
| wxl | nope | 20:10 |
| wxl | you are most definitely not there unless you're logging in through telegram or through another account | 20:10 |
| lubot | <ctisme> @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10], why don't use 19.04 directly? | 20:58 |
| tomreyn | because i686 | 21:04 |
| lubot | <ctisme> tomyren what if if upgrade from 18.04 LTS -> 18.10 -> 19.04 ? | 21:06 |
| tomreyn | ctisme: then you'll have ubuntu 19.04 installed. assuming that's available for your architecture. | 21:14 |
| bp0 | Official site: lubuntu.net or lubuntu.me? Link to information about why there are two and the differences? | 23:07 |
| lubot | <lynorian> lubuntu.me is official one | 23:07 |
| bp0 | Ok, thanks | 23:08 |
| bp0 | And the logo is now the nice bird and not the freddy krueger hand, right? | 23:12 |
| lynorian | bp0 I think it was always intended as a bird just a different one | 23:15 |
| bp0 | It seems better now | 23:15 |
| bp0 | Anyway, thanks for the info | 23:15 |
| sappheiros | is there a preferred CD ripper for lubuntu? sound juicer? | 23:41 |
| sappheiros | is lxde an alternative to gnome? | 23:41 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> lxde is an alternative to gnome, yes | 23:41 |
| sappheiros | what about abcde instead of sound-juicer? | 23:41 |
| sappheiros | doesn't 18.10 include sound-juicer by default? | 23:42 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> 1.- don't know. 2.- NO | 23:42 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> 18.10 only has vlc | 23:42 |
| lynorian | I use asunder on lxde | 23:43 |
| sappheiros | i just started the install for sound-juicer ... | 23:45 |
| sappheiros | why asunder rather than sound-juicer? | 23:46 |
| sappheiros | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdparanoia looks good | 23:49 |
| sappheiros | but seems no database access unless i perhaps use abcde which requires learning stuff ... maybe sound-juicer is good enough ... | 23:58 |
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