[01:40] <sappheiros> are the steps for burning CD identical as those for DVD? https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html?highlight=iso
[01:40] <sappheiros> ... is a CD-RW not big enough for lubuntu 18.04.2?
[01:41] <sappheiros> ugh
[01:41] <sappheiros> i'm so dumb
[01:41] <sappheiros> of course not
[01:41] <sappheiros> CD-RW is 700 MB; need 2 GB ... nevermind
[01:45] <sappheiros> would you please link to backup instructions at https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html?highlight=backup ?
[01:46] <sappheiros> erm ... if there is a one-click-backup for all files and settings
[01:46] <sappheiros> like Apple's Time Machine or Microsoft's Backup feature ...
[01:46] <sappheiros> i guess there isn't one?
[01:46] <sappheiros> it doesn't seem listed under System Tools, where i'd expect to find it https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/System_Tools_and_Preferences.html
[01:47]  * sappheiros searches http://askubuntu.com/
[01:47] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/209512/lubuntu-and-backup-software is six years old, so i suppose it no longer applies
[03:07] <wxl> sappheiros: there's no one backup solution. we don't include one by default. might not be a bad idea. go try some things and see what you like :)
[03:08] <wxl> maybe kbackup?
[03:09] <wxl> or luckybackup
[03:33] <sappheiros> wxl: i was manually copying files ... ... am i stupid or just getting old?
[03:33] <sappheiros> nah, probably just tired and focusing my attention on other things
[03:34] <wxl> sappheiros: it can work, but it's kind of rudimentary. you might want to at least use rsync
[03:35] <sappheiros> lol thanks ... looks like rsync does automatically exactly what i was doing visually
[03:35] <sappheiros> *manually
[03:36] <sappheiros> wxl: do you learn these commands just by using linux over many years?
[03:36] <sappheiros> or should i do more searching and more webpage reading?
[03:37] <sappheiros> i dislike searching and reading search results because it seems like digging for gold
[03:37] <wxl> ever heard of `apropos`?
[03:38] <sappheiros> um ... as an adjective ...
[03:38] <sappheiros> oh.
[03:38] <sappheiros> i think someone in #ubuntu told me about it once.
[03:38] <sappheiros> isn't it a search keyword to find command feature?
[03:38] <wxl> woudln't work in this case, but it often helps
[03:38] <wxl> then you can use `man` to figure out how to use it
[03:38] <wxl> you can also search ubuntu packages with `apt-cache search`
[03:39] <sappheiros> apropos sync does list rsync
[03:39] <wxl> yeah but not backup
[03:40] <sappheiros> oh. you are saying backup is more sophisticated than syncing files to an external hard drive because it can be read from and restoring data faster than copying files?
[03:41] <sappheiros> oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper?
[03:41] <wxl> well ultimately you want something that automates it for you
[03:41] <sappheiros> my concern though is if it backs up settings, trying to restore settings to 18.04 (from 18.10) might "break the system", i mean cause problems
[03:41] <wxl> it's helpful to have something that only gives you delta backups, too
[03:42] <sappheiros> delta backup = only incremental changes are recorded like apple's Time Machine?
[03:42] <wxl> yeah
[03:42] <sappheiros> but is a backup appropriate if switching from 18.10 to 18.04?
[03:42] <wxl> backup at all times :)
[03:42] <sappheiros> i mean, rather than copying documents and moving only documents over
[03:42] <wxl> but why would you downgrade????
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper?], You can use Timeshift. It can backup user files.
[03:43] <sappheiros> because i found 18.10 will not receive security patches after July 2019, but 18.04 will continue receiving security patches until April 2021
[03:43] <sappheiros> is that not true?
[03:43] <wxl> yes but lxde is a dead end
[03:43] <sappheiros> but so is this 32-bit computer, and i don't have the money yet to buy a new one
[03:43] <sappheiros> and i might not have the money until after March 2020
[03:44] <sappheiros> *march 2021
[03:44] <wxl> meh
[03:44] <wxl> the whole i386 thing is a litte uncertain
[03:45] <sappheiros> should i try to install 19.04 on it?
[03:45] <sappheiros> i thought it was 64-bit
 It is 64 bit only.
[03:45] <wxl> the installer is
[03:46] <wxl> but packages are available
[03:46] <wxl> 32 bit packages in 19.10+ are a bit uncertain
[03:47] <sappheiros> i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and The_LoudSpeaker said but it couldn't find the package
[03:51] <wxl> it's only in a ppa https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift#ubuntu-based-distributions
[03:51] <sappheiros> wxl: that explains why it wasn't in muon package manager i guess
[03:52] <sappheiros> someone on a forum -- and i think #ubuntu -- says ppa is "at your own risk", isn't it?
[03:52] <sappheiros> as a beginner, shouldn't i stick to official packages?
[03:52] <wxl> in *general* i would say yes
[03:52] <wxl> in this case, it seems the developer is providing it, so i would say the risk is relatively small
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and …], You have to add Timeshift ppa.
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 @toly [<toly> А Я ЛУБУНТУ], ...
 the lubuntu 19.04 here is running 3 days... now i lost icon network manager on the task bar, what's the command to open the icon again?
[12:32] <apt-ghetto> Try `nm-tray &`
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Try `nm-tray &`], alt+F2 then … nm-tray
[13:27] <apt-ghetto> Check also your session settings
[13:27] <apt-ghetto> In the Autostart section, you should enable nm-tray
[15:54] <Guest34932> ok
[16:36] <sappheiros> how do i change keyboard layout in trial USB boot up? it isn't in mouse and keyboard
[16:36] <sappheiros> lubuntu 18.04.2
[16:38] <apt-ghetto> You can open a terminal and execute for example `setxkbmap it` for the italian keyboard layout
[16:39] <sappheiros> apt-ghetto: i was hoping for a GUI so i could be sure to set the correct keyboard
[16:40] <apt-ghetto> Maybe there is a GUI solution
[16:40] <sappheiros> i don't see a way to search to find the English dvorak layout name.
[16:42] <apt-ghetto> Should be `setxkbmap us dvorak`
[16:43] <apt-ghetto> But now I have to reboot because I can't write correctly :)
[16:44] <sappheiros> thanks...
[16:44] <apt-ghetto> With `man 7 xkeyboard-config` you can check the possible values
[16:45] <sappheiros> how did you learnt hat?
[16:46] <sappheiros> is 7 a command/
[16:46] <sappheiros> ?
[16:46] <sappheiros> well, thanks for showing me how to change the keyboard layout ... that did indeed work.
[16:47] <apt-ghetto> 7 is the section where the manpage is
[16:47] <sappheiros> hm ...
[19:26] <sappheiros> LXTerminal doesn't look as it did when using the live USB 18.04.2. why do you suppose?
[19:29] <wxl> cuz something changed?
[19:30]  * wxl ducks
[19:30]  * sappheiros throws terminal's corrupted text at wxl
[19:31] <sappheiros> i'm using weechat now, but the font looks ... well, broken after chnaging it in preferences
[19:31] <sappheiros> only thought is to try restarting terminal.
[19:32] <wxl> oh the font huh hm
[19:32] <wxl> under preferences what's your terminal font?
[19:33] <sappheiros> i just changed it to Ubuntu Mono Bold 10 which displays properly. many of the other fonts don't.
[19:34] <wxl> which one doesn't?
[19:34] <sappheiros> okay, let me find one ...
[19:34] <sappheiros> for example ...
[19:34] <sappheiros> Sans Regular
[19:34] <sappheiros> ugh, and now Ubuntu Regular is broken too
[19:35] <wxl> what defines "broken?"
[19:35] <sappheiros> Ubuntu Mono Regular is okay.
[19:35] <sappheiros> barely legible, letters all scrunched together or else oddly spaced
[19:35] <sappheiros> it seems only 'mono' type fonts work in LXTerminal.
[19:35] <wxl> well i mean they're kind of the only ones that make sense
[19:36] <sappheiros> why is that? because terminal is monospace by design?
[19:36] <wxl> you tried non-monospace in live?
[19:36] <sappheiros> can noblenote data be imported into xpad?
[19:36] <lynorian> sappheiros: never tried that
[19:37] <sappheiros> no, but the default was much better looking than the default after installation
[19:37] <sappheiros> hence i tried changing the font
[19:37] <sappheiros> hence discovering the problem with non-monospaced fonts
[19:37] <sappheiros> so there is something odd about terminal display in live USB vs actual install
[19:37] <sappheiros> i mean, some discrepancy
[19:37] <wxl> many command line utilities are predicated on the notion of regular alignment of text inherient in monospace fonts
[19:37] <sappheiros> what font d'you use?
[19:37] <wxl> i have never noticed that personally
[19:37] <wxl> well
[19:38] <wxl> don't ask me, cuz i don't even use lxterminal :)
[19:38] <sappheiros> don't be a hater T_T
[19:38] <sappheiros> 32-bit 4 lyfe
[19:38] <lynorian> yep monospace works best in temrinals
[19:38]  * sappheiros goes to get 32-bit tattood on his ... secret location ...
[19:38] <wxl> that said i appear to be on Noto Mono
[19:39] <wxl> which i guess i've  been lazy about changing
[19:39] <sappheiros> i have only noto mono CJK stuff installed. are you using an asian install or regional format?
[19:39] <wxl> no
[19:39]  * sappheiros recently installed japanese language support
[19:39] <sappheiros> yours isn't CJK?
[19:40] <wxl> i mean it is by default
[19:42] <sappheiros> wxl is astoundingly good at giving noncomittal or answers that confuse me ...
[19:43] <wxl> i was not non-commital
[19:43] <wxl> noto is CJK by default
[19:43] <sappheiros> i mean your response there doesn't really say whether yours says 'CJK' or not in the font selection name space
[19:43] <sappheiros> you're like "could be"
[19:43] <sappheiros> "could've been"
[19:43] <sappheiros> "might still be" :P
[19:43] <wxl> EVERY noto is CJK
[19:43] <sappheiros> ah. i didn't know that.
[19:44] <wxl> you know what noto stands for right?
[19:44] <sappheiros> ... but noto is in italy >_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto
[19:44] <sappheiros> i have no clue
[19:44]  * wxl facepalms
[19:44] <sappheiros> lol
[19:44] <sappheiros> ah. https://www.google.com/get/noto/
[19:44] <sappheiros> ... ;_; i like tofu
[19:45] <wxl> this is tofu as it relates to fonts
[19:45] <wxl> which isn't as tasty
[19:45] <sappheiros> it's not tofu's fault if the font didn't season it
[19:46] <sappheiros> does firefox spy on me?
[19:46] <sappheiros> why is it default for lubuntu?
[19:46] <wxl> what would you prefer?
[19:46] <sappheiros> ... not being spied on >_> um ... falkon maybe?
[19:46] <sappheiros> but someone said falkon was KDE-based
[19:46] <sappheiros> and that i'd have to install a ton of KDE dependencies
[19:46] <wxl> in what way is firefox spying on you?
[19:47] <sappheiros> default opened tab on first use: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/
[19:47] <sappheiros> apparently it logs search terms for example
[19:47] <lynorian> I didn't think falkon had that many kde dependencies most are still qt based
[19:47] <wxl> did you see the word "if" there?
[19:48] <wxl> or the phrase "by default?"
[19:48] <wxl> or the word "choose?"
[19:48] <wxl> that said, how do you know falkon doesn't do that but just isn't so adamant about being so transparent?
[19:49] <sappheiros> because if i can't see them then they can't see me. >_> that's how that works.
[19:49]  * sappheiros is starting to think wxl never went to kindergarten.
[19:49]  * wxl is starting to think sappheiros is still there
[19:49] <sappheiros> lol
[19:50] <sappheiros> ... it's just that from all the news i see it seems the more popular a product a company produces, the more evil that company is.
[19:50] <sappheiros> i guess i don't have a logical argument though.
[19:51] <wxl> i can safely say that mozilla is pretty non-evil
[19:51] <sappheiros> you broke the wheels off my emotion skateboard ;_;
[19:51] <sappheiros> >:<
[19:51] <wxl> do you know how hard it is to break skateboard wheels?
[19:51] <sappheiros> lol
[19:51] <wxl> if you want to install another browser, do it
[19:52] <sappheiros> nah
[19:52] <wxl> that's the beauty of linux: freedom
[19:52] <sappheiros> i'ma try firefoxie again
[19:52] <sappheiros> "less is more" right?
[19:52] <sappheiros> like, if i can use default software ...
[19:52] <wxl> not always
[19:52] <wxl> i mean you can use lynx
[19:52] <wxl> that's REALLY less
[19:52]  * sappheiros gasps
[19:52] <wxl> OR BETTER YET JUST USE TELNET
[19:52] <lynorian> less is an amazing pager
[19:52] <sappheiros> i forgot about lynx! today i mean.
[19:53] <sappheiros> well, firefox does seem as fast as falkon now
[19:53] <sappheiros> i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10
[19:53] <sappheiros> maybe even faster right now ...
[19:53]  * sappheiros checks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet
[19:54]  * lynorian can't stand using more
[19:54] <sappheiros> do you still use telnet?
[19:54] <wxl> for network debugging
[19:54] <sappheiros> lynorian: change your name to mynorian. be consistent. :P
[20:02] <wxl> sappheiros: https://asciinema.org/a/pjDs0qCQKLvDBZMsujejMtE4C
[20:03] <wxl> that's real web surfing
[20:03] <sappheiros> how come you're not in #ubuntu-offtopic wxl?
[20:03] <wxl> i am. you're not
[20:09] <sappheiros> ??
[20:10] <sappheiros> under a different account?
[20:10] <wxl> nope
[20:10] <wxl> you are most definitely not there unless you're logging in through telegram or through another account
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10], why don't use 19.04 directly?
[21:04] <tomreyn> because i686
 tomyren what if if upgrade from 18.04 LTS -> 18.10 -> 19.04 ?
[21:14] <tomreyn> ctisme: then you'll have ubuntu 19.04 installed. assuming that's available for your architecture.
[23:07] <bp0> Official site: lubuntu.net or lubuntu.me? Link to information about why there are two and the differences?
 lubuntu.me is official one
[23:08] <bp0> Ok, thanks
[23:12] <bp0> And the logo is now the nice bird and not the freddy krueger hand, right?
[23:15] <lynorian> bp0 I think it was always intended as a bird just a different one
[23:15] <bp0> It seems better now
[23:15] <bp0> Anyway, thanks for the info
[23:41] <sappheiros> is there a preferred CD ripper for lubuntu? sound juicer?
[23:41] <sappheiros> is lxde an alternative to gnome?
 lxde is an alternative to gnome, yes
[23:41] <sappheiros> what about abcde instead of sound-juicer?
[23:42] <sappheiros> doesn't 18.10 include sound-juicer by default?
 1.- don't know. 2.- NO
 18.10 only has vlc
[23:43] <lynorian> I use asunder on lxde
[23:45] <sappheiros> i just started the install for sound-juicer ...
[23:46] <sappheiros> why asunder rather than sound-juicer?
[23:49] <sappheiros> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdparanoia looks good
[23:58] <sappheiros> but seems no database access unless i perhaps use abcde which requires learning stuff ... maybe sound-juicer is good enough ...