[16:39] <knome> bluesabre, crazy idea that would take some effort: how could we offer the xfce defaults for xubuntu users -- in case they want them rather than the xubuntu stuff?
[16:39] <knome> bluesabre, and i mean within a xubuntu session, not the xfce one
[16:39] <knome> bluesabre, or is the latter simply the thing you need to do
[18:26] <ochosi> i would say that's the essential difference between the two sessions, no?
[20:17] <knome> ochosi, i guess... but what if the xubuntu defaults fall flat for somebody in some region? oh well
[22:59] <bluesabre> knome: could provide some script to do it in xubuntu-default-settings
[23:01] <bluesabre> thing about xfce is that once a property is set, it persists between session (xfce or xubuntu), so the only real way to do it would be some script that overwrites settings with a list of defaults
[23:03] <bluesabre> and I think that would be quite a bit better than pointing to a wiki page or forum someplace since the setting versions would be tied to xubuntu releases 
[23:03] <Unit193> "Perhaps we have should provide a way to use Xfce defaults?"  "We have the Xfce session." "Perhaps another way?" why?
[23:04] <bluesabre> If you load the xubuntu session on first boot, you now have xubuntu defaults
[23:05] <bluesabre> I don't think the Xfce session is an intentional feature
[23:05] <bluesabre> Unless it is?
[23:06] <bluesabre> More generally, there's also the issue of "I installed Xubuntu x release and upgraded to x+1, how do I get the new defaults without creating a new user?"
[23:08] <bluesabre> Unless we're cool with wiki'ing a bunch of xfconf-query commands?
[23:08] <brainwash> rm -r ~/.config/xfce4
[23:08] <brainwash> ?
[23:09] <bluesabre> Does a running xfconf not hold on to those/recreate them?
[23:10] <brainwash> kill it, remove the config dir, restart it
[23:11] <Unit193> Let it restart itself, it'll do that automagically. :P
[23:11] <brainwash> probably best to do it during a relog
[23:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh right!  I was going to ask, xfce4-power-manager and xfce4-volumed run as daemons when launched, any reason why xfce4-screensaver shouldn't?
[23:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: nope, I think it'd be good if it did