[08:12] <jak0723> hey, I just installed a Xubuntu 18.04 VM via VirtualBox. I'm tweaking the xfce settings and I can't figure out how to change the width of the window buttons. I've tried out some suggested solutions that edit the '.gtkrc' file, but it isn't working for me
[08:12] <jak0723> this is what I mean by window buttons, I want them to be wider so that they aren't cut off with ellipses, or that I can at least see more of the title https://puu.sh/DQyaU/3c546fb282.png
[08:14] <diogenes_> jak0723, decrease font size.
[08:14] <jak0723> I have a 4k monitor, I'd prefer the font to stay at that size
[08:17] <diogenes_> jak0723, then most likely you need to wait a bit for the official 4.14 which promises a better scaling capability.
[08:17] <jak0723> the suggested solutions I mentioned involve modifying the "XfceTasklist-max-button-length" setting in order to achieve what I want
[08:19] <jak0723> I just don't know how to change that setting, using a '.gtkrc' file doesn't seem to work for me
[08:20] <diogenes_> did you re-log after applying that change?
[08:22] <jak0723> you mean reboot the system?
[08:22] <jak0723> yeah I did that
[08:22] <jak0723> btw this is one of those solutions that I found https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12664
[08:25] <diogenes_> jak0723, another try is to create a test panel and set it as Deskbar and add the window buttons to that panel the play with Row size, Number of rows and Length settings.
[08:25] <diogenes_> then*
[08:29] <jak0723> deskbar? Like this? https://puu.sh/DQyul/467c7e74e0.png
[08:30] <diogenes_> jak0723, yes, now go to that panel settings and increase the row size, length and so on
[08:30] <diogenes_> and see if it stretches the way you need.
[08:31] <jak0723> this is it at max row size https://puu.sh/DQyw6/dd28ce4201.png
[08:31] <jak0723> with deskbar it makes it wider, with horizontal, it's thicker
[08:32] <jak0723> it doesn't directly affect the width of the window buttons
[08:32] <diogenes_> now length and nr of rows
[08:32] <diogenes_> set maximum
[08:34] <jak0723> ok, increasing the row size and the number of rows seems to work, but I'd rather it be horizontal instead of deskbar https://puu.sh/DQyzc/29734fa8ff.png
[08:35] <jak0723> also the height of the window buttons is too small with that, the text is cut off, as can be seen with the bottom of the 'j'
[08:36] <jak0723> it's supposed to be 'jak', not 'iak'
[08:36] <diogenes_> jak0723, what i mean is that you can have 2 panels, one hor one ver and limit that ver deskbar only as to show you the window buttons also set it to autohide and that's how you have everything you need and nothing gets in the way.
[08:37] <jak0723> I don't want that, I want the window buttons in the vertical panel that I already have to be wider
[08:37] <brainwash> jak0723: https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tasklist#style_properties
[08:37] <jak0723> I tried that
[08:37] <brainwash> the file name is .gtkrc-2.0
[08:37] <jak0723> I tried that too
[08:38] <jak0723> https://puu.sh/DQyCC/66c28c40de.png
[08:38] <brainwash> does changing any of the other properties work?
[08:38] <jak0723> what other properties?
[08:39] <jak0723> like modifying the font in the gtkrc-2.0 file?
[08:39] <jak0723> I tried that it didn't work either
[08:39] <jak0723> brb dinner
[08:39] <brainwash> like XfceTasklist::minimized-icon-lucency
[08:47] <jak0723> huh, changing that does effect it
[08:47] <jak0723> then why can't I change the window button width?
[08:51] <jak0723> oh, looks like I had to increase the value much more than 200 to make a difference
[08:51] <brainwash> aha
[08:53] <jak0723> thanks for the help, I'm not sure how long it would have taken for me to figure it out on my own if you didn't suggest changing minimized-icon-lucency
[08:55] <jak0723> it's weird, that 'menu-max-width-chars' setting doesn't seem to do anything
[08:55] <brainwash> glad that it's working now
[08:58] <brainwash> I can't test right now if menu-max-width-chars works or not
[08:58] <brainwash> how do you test it?
[08:59] <jak0723> change the  value, save and hit `xfce4-panel -r`
[08:59] <brainwash> but what is the use case?
[09:00] <brainwash> it should affect the menu list for grouped windows I think
[09:01] <jak0723> oh you're right, it does affect that
[09:01] <jak0723> I thought it was for the window button title
[11:09] <ssarah> hei guys, i changed my password with passwd but now the keystore thing is asking me for my old password on every boot
[11:10] <ssarah> how to i change its password?
[11:12] <diogenes_> ssarah, what keystore?
[11:40] <ssarah> that thing that stores your keys?
[11:41] <ssarah> I don't remember the name proper...
[11:41] <ssarah> should i reboot?
[12:03] <diogenes_> ssarah, it's called keyring, seahorse, open it from the menu and change your password to blank one and it will not ask you to unlock.
[12:05] <ssarah> donthave it on the menu
[12:05] <ssarah> on bash i can see a keyring and a keytool
[12:22] <diogenes_> ssarah, sudo apt install seahorse
[13:43] <jak0723> hey, is there a way to make it so that long filenames are truncated so that icon spacing is consistent? If a filename is too long, the spacing gets weird https://puu.sh/DQCQm/df48412475.png
[13:45] <jak0723> apparently a person fixed their issue by applying a patch, but I don't know how to do that https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11486
[13:55] <brainwash> jak0723: that would require you to read a guide or tutorial about building packages
[13:58] <brainwash> alternatively, you could install thunar 1.8 from the xubuntu PPA
[13:59] <jak0723> does thunar 1.8 fix the icon spacing issue?
[14:01] <brainwash> I guess I read the bug report not properly
[14:01] <brainwash> 1.8 behaves the same :/
[14:03] <jak0723> oh, is there another xfce file manager that I could use that doesn't have that issue?
[14:04] <brainwash> not Xfce, but there are Nautilus (GNOME), Nemo (Cinnamon) and Caja (MATE)
[14:04] <brainwash> I don't know how those behave though
[14:05] <jak0723> ok, guess I'll give nautilus a go
[14:06] <brainwash> probably best to install it with --no-install-recommends
[14:06] <brainwash> sudo apt install --no-install-recommends nautilus
[14:07] <brainwash> otherwise it may pull in extra stuff
[14:10] <hexacode> hello all
[14:10] <hexacode> i want to use wall command in local
[14:11] <hexacode> but it's not working ?
[15:00] <gnrp> hexacode: What do you mean "in local"?
[15:02] <hexacode> gnrp, on my machine not a server
[15:02] <hexacode> i open 2 terminal
[15:02] <hexacode> i write wall "test"
[15:03] <hexacode> but nothing happens
[15:09] <hexacode> ok i find because gnome terminal is a shit
[15:16] <gnrp> hexacode: Did you activate writing messages by using `mesg`?
[15:16] <gnrp> ah, ok
[15:48] <hobs0n> why hallo thare! howsit going these wonderful evening?
[15:49] <diogenes_> lovely, wbu?
[15:50] <hobs0n> im fine :)  Im quite a linux newbie. Ive been trying various distros and finally settled on Xubuntu on this old slow laptop :)
[15:50] <diogenes_> excellent choice.
[15:52] <hobs0n> I was messing around with the keyboard shortcuts, felt the need to reset the kb shortcuts. But that didnt reset to the default kb shrotcuts in xfce, it reset to very few, non-working kbshortcuts... :/
[15:53] <hobs0n> I searched arund for a while now and havent found any good info on this. I wish to get the defaulty xfce xubuntu keyboard shortcuts back
[15:54] <diogenes_> you can always rename .config/xfce4 folder and reboot.
[15:55] <hobs0n> uhm ok
[15:56] <knome> ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[15:57] <hobs0n> ok, cya soon then :)
[16:05] <hobs0n> blark,
[16:09] <hobs0n> i ran rm -r ~/.config/xfce4 and rebooted, the nonworking non-default "default" kb shrtcuts are stil therel
[16:11] <diogenes_> maybe you have restore old session enabled.
[16:14] <hobs0n> when I checked /settings/Session and Startup  , none of the save session options were checked
[16:15] <hobs0n> when I goto ./.config/xfce4 i only have two dirs, panel and xfwm4
[16:16] <diogenes_> look in settings editor > xfce4 session > saveonexit
[16:16] <hobs0n> HM OK
[16:16] <hobs0n> sry
[16:18] <hobs0n> ah, itwas indeed checked there
[16:18] <hobs0n> is it enough to logout or do I have to reboot?
[16:18] <diogenes_> now clean saved sessions
[16:19] <diogenes_> then logout
[16:20] <hobs0n> ok
[16:24] <xubuntu70w> Hey guys I'm having a problem with my cdrom playing
[16:24] <knome> press the stop button? ;)
[16:24] <xubuntu70w> the weird thing is that my dvd is recognized by the system
[16:24] <knome> (more seriously, please explain the issue in detail)
[16:24] <xubuntu70w> lol
[16:25] <knome> dvd or cd?
[16:25] <xubuntu70w> cd
[16:25] <knome> if it's a dvd, is it a commercial movie?
[16:25] <xubuntu70w> its a cd
[16:25] <knome> it's been quite some time since i inserted any optical media in a drive...
[16:26] <xubuntu70w> the output of hwinfo --cdrom tells me the system can see the drive but whenever I try to mount it I just get a "no medium found"
[16:26] <knome> audio cd?
[16:26] <xubuntu70w> yep
[16:27] <knome> iirc, you don't really "mount" audio cd's
[16:27] <knome> are you looking to simply listen to the cd or rip it?
[16:27] <xubuntu70w> both
[16:27] <xubuntu70w> one thing I noticed was my cdrom wasn't in my fstab, could that be the problem?
[16:27] <knome> have you tried opening it in parole?
[16:28] <diogenes_> xubuntu70w, try a different cd, dvd to make sure it's not cd damaged or laser.
[16:28] <xubuntu70w> I've tried two cds
[16:28] <knome> fstab is for static file systems, not external media
[16:29] <xubuntu70w> gotcha
[16:29] <knome> then i remember having this issue where my cdrom device was /dev/sr0, but all software looked for /dev/cdrom, so i symlinked the latter to the former...
[16:29] <knome> but i'd really just try opening the cd in parole first and see if it plays :)
[16:30] <xubuntu70w> where would I access it
[16:30] <hobs0n> it didnt work :/ How do total cleanup of xfce? uninstall all xfce stuff from synaptic ?
[16:30] <xubuntu70w> I can't see my cd, that's the main problem I'm having
[16:31] <knome> as i said, it's been a long time since i've played with optical media – i don't even have an optical drive in my pc; i'll have to refer to somebody else to help you
[16:31] <knome> hobs0n, are you looking for the xfce or the xubuntu defaults?
[16:32] <knome> hobs0n, xubuntu comes with only a few default shortcuts
[16:32] <diogenes_> xubuntu70w, look in gnome-disk-utility, maybe it's there.
[16:32] <diogenes_> hobs0n, also you can try with a new user tat's guaranteed you get the new clean dfault session.
[16:32] <diogenes_> that*
[16:34] <hobs0n> knome: uhm then im looking for the xfce default s
[16:35] <hobs0n> diogenes_: hm that might be an idea but id like to try learning how da effing hell this works first :)  but thanks
[16:37] <knome> hobs0n, please remember this is a family-friendly channel...
[16:37] <hobs0n> how about trying sudo apt-get purge xfce4?
[16:37] <hobs0n> knome: ah sorry for that, Ill not do it again!
[16:38] <knome> hobs0n, what about /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml ?
[16:38] <knome> copy that over to your ~ and you should get the xfce defaults
[16:39] <hobs0n> ok, ill try that :)
[17:04] <FMC> it's the guy with the cd problem again
[17:46] <hobs0n> yay, finally solved it :)  just ran sudo apt purge xf* and cleansed it and ren sudo apt install xfce . so now it works as i wanted :)
[17:46] <hobs0n> thanks for all the help
[18:34] <friendlyGoat> hello, im trying to remove a package but when i try to remove it it says its going to remove xubuntu-core and xubuntu-desktop with it even though the package poses no benefit to me whatsoever.
[18:34] <friendlyGoat> its spice-vdagent and it keeps having an error whenever i boot up which annoys me
[18:36] <friendlyGoat> isnt it only for if im in a virtual machine? my os is actually installed.
[19:23] <xubuntu27w> Hi, I'm trying to do an automated install of 18.04 LTS with Packer. Does anyone know of a keystroke sequence that would allow the installer to get the the Advances options to edit the boot command? This doesn't seem to be available in 18.04...