[01:08] <baruna> hello, I can set up full screen on the whole monitor
[01:08] <baruna> *I can't
[01:08] <baruna> how to fix it?
[01:12] <rfm_> baruna, if you have a high-res monitor you might need to increase the video ram (vm settings>display>screen>video memory).  I use 40MB on my 4K monitor
[01:12] <baruna> I mean when I want fullscreen, all I get is full screen on part of the monitor, like this: https://i.imgur.com/3cDL8Bf.png
[01:14] <baruna> rfm_: what is vm settings please? I use Lubuntu
[01:15] <rfm_> baruna, in the main vbox manager gui, select the vm from the list on the left, then the yellow settings gear on the right
[01:18] <baruna> rfm_: I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean
[01:18] <baruna> rfm_: Opebox Configuration Manager?
[01:18] <baruna> Openbox
[01:19] <baruna> or NVIDIA X Server Settings?
[01:19] <OerHeks> F11 usually does full screen without borders
[01:19] <rfm_> baruna, how did you create or start the virtual machine
[01:20] <baruna> OerHeks: well it doesn't in my case and that's the problem
[01:20] <OerHeks> when focus is in VLC *
[01:20] <OerHeks> now your focus on desktop
[01:20] <baruna> rfm_: why are you speaking about a virtual machine? I just have my personal laptop
[01:21] <baruna> OerHeks: yes. when I type F11 in vlc the "fullscreen" I get is in part of the screen as shown in the screenshot
[01:21] <rfm_> baruna, oh sorry, my mind was in the vbox channel...   I'll go back there.
[01:21] <OerHeks> ' vm settings' is a virtual machine term
[01:22] <OerHeks> normally using the max + icon would work too, with borders
[01:22] <baruna> well unfortunately it doesn't in my case and this is why I ask how to fix this
[01:24] <OerHeks> strange behaviour then, maybe it is in the videofile?
[01:24] <baruna> OerHeks: what do you mean?
[01:25] <baruna> OerHeks: no, it's not related to the particular video
[01:42] <bleb> so here i am on 18.04
[01:43] <bleb> trying to automatically mount an nfs share at boot time
[01:44] <bleb> i've been mounting it manually via the root command: mount 192.168.254.11:/usr/home/cm/nfs apu2
[01:44] <rhombix> hi. i'm trying to use an XP-PEN Artist 10S graphics tablet on ubuntu 18.04. it appears there is no official support for ubuntu and their official website does not provide drivers. what resources can i use to find some custom drivers for this tablet? i've owned this thing for a year and i've never been able to use it.
[01:45] <bleb> i added this to fstab: 192.168.254.11:/usr/home/cm/nfs /home/cm/apu2 nfs auto,nofail,noatime,nolock,intr,tcp,atime=1000 0 0
[01:45] <bleb> and it does not mount at boot
[01:45] <bleb> what could be wrong?
[01:48] <sarnold> bleb: once the system is up and running, can you then use "mount /home/cm/apu2" to mount it?
[01:48] <OerHeks> https://digimend.github.io/tablets/XP-Pen_Artist_10S/ says no
[01:49] <OerHeks> there is a post with a custom kernel driver https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers/issues/137
[01:51] <bleb> sarnold: ah it says "mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified"
[01:52] <rhombix> OerHeks: ty. does this first link tell me that there is no official support (i.e. from XP-PEN) for this device? also, what exactly is the second link about?
[01:52] <sarnold> bleb: whoohoo :) that's more useful than I expected. nice.
[01:52] <bleb> oh nvm thats because i replaced the options with "none" to try without that list of options i got from digitalocean
[01:52] <bleb> ill change it back and try the mount command again
[01:54] <bleb> rhombix: if i just put "auto" there, the mount command succeedds but then there is nothing in the apu2 directory
[01:55] <bleb> ahhhh god damn it
[01:56] <bleb> this was a work computer so my username is different
[01:56] <bleb> sarnold: never mind
[01:56] <sarnold> bleb: woot!
[01:57] <sarnold> bleb: I once spent half a day trying to figure out why my nfs mounts weren't working, permission errors everywhere, even though everything was owned by the account 'sarnold'...
[01:57] <sarnold> bleb: well, one sarnold was uid 1000, and the other sarnold was uid 50025 or something stupid. ls -ln for the win :)
[01:58] <sarnold> bleb: so, here's hoping you spent less time than I did to find this one out, hehe
[01:58] <rhombix> to be clear, where can i go to find a linux driver for this device, assuming someone out there has tried to create one?
[01:59] <bleb> sarnold: lol
[01:59] <bleb> sadly theres a new problem
[02:01] <sarnold> rhombix: depends. if a hypothetical newly written driver is done in the kernel, maybe they've sent it to the linux kernel mail list to ask for it to be included in newer kernels. you could check kernel.org git trees to see if newer kernels have drivers for it
[02:01] <bleb> when i boot up there is a folder labeled "apu2" on my desktop but it's translucent.  when i click it it says "mount: /home/cm2444/apu2: operation permitted for root only
[02:01] <sarnold> rhombix: if a hypothetical newly written driver were written with libusb, then there's no centralized place to collect those, I don't think. in which case it might just live in someone's github or gitlab or fredesktop or whoknowshwere
[02:02] <bleb> pretty strange if you ask me; you would think the fstab instructions would be executed as root
[02:05] <sarnold> bleb: depends
[02:05] <sarnold> bleb: when run during boot, yes
[02:06] <bleb> well i got this error after booting and login in, doing nothing else
[02:07] <sarnold> bleb: note ls -l `which mount` -- it's  a setuid root executable, and if it is executed by a user, it'll check for the 'user' flag on filesystems in /etc/fstab to see if users should be able to mount it
[02:07] <sarnold> bleb: I don't know about your gui environment, but the error message sure sounds like it'd work if you add 'user' to the flags
[02:07] <bleb> gui environment is default xfce
[02:07] <rhombix> sarnold: ok. i don't know much about trying to get hardware to work on ubuntu when there's no linux support. is there ANYTHING i can do to be able to use this tablet? it was very expensive, i've had it for a year and i've never used it once.
[02:08] <bleb> does it make sense that xubuntu would process the fstab as a user a login and not at boot?
[02:08] <bleb> surely not, otherwise how would / be mounted
[02:08] <sarnold> rhombix: sorry, I've never tried to use any devices like that. I'd sort of expect them to just be a standard USB HID device class these days, but if not, you'd probably have to pick and choose what's available..
[02:09] <sarnold> rhombix: if you're really lucky it'll just look like a wacom and you can install whatever works for wacoms :)
[02:18] <bleb> if i log in as root via the console the nfs mount does not happen
[02:18] <bleb> does it detect that the mount dir is a /home dir and not process it if you are not that user?
[02:18] <bleb> what is this a little fucky you from lennart
[02:19] <sarnold> bleb: hmm, what exactly are you expecting to happen at this point?
[02:20] <bleb> i would expect the directives in fstab to be processed at boot
[02:20] <bleb> so that when i log in regardless of user the directories in fstab are mounted
[02:21] <sarnold> alright, cool. you mentioned 'log in' and by the time you see a login prompt, all those ought to be long since handled
[02:21] <bleb> yeah thats what i thought
[02:21] <bleb> but it seems like they are being done by xfce or the login manager?
[02:21] <sarnold> if it's marked 'auto' it ought to happen before those are executed, too
[02:22] <bleb> but the root fs is being mounted fine so fstab is being processed at boot, it's just not doing the nfs line
[02:23] <sarnold> nfs mounts will have to wait until after the network is up, and systemd's going to have to wait until 'higher' mount points are handled too, so if something is funky with your /home or /home/cm424242 mounts..
[02:23] <sarnold> 'network is up' is sadly way grosser and harder than you can imagine :/.
[02:23] <sarnold> or, maybe, after fighting this for a while, you understand it way too well
[02:24] <sarnold> bleb: check journalctl, maybe there's something in there?
[02:24] <bleb> journalctl|grep -i nfs is stalling
[02:24] <bleb> how do i interpret this
[02:25] <bleb> if i type journalctl then i then /nfs, it stalls too
[02:25] <RoseBus> hello, i am trying to salvage files off of my macbook air, i booted to persistent usb, because os won't boot, how can i access OS filesystem?
[02:25] <bleb> oh never mind it just takes forever to do the search
[02:28] <bleb> what does systemd have to do some process in order to retrieve the text log
[02:29] <bleb> sarnold: anyway im not finding any errors related to nfs of fstab...
[02:30] <sarnold> bleb: hmm :( how about searching for mount or the IP?
[02:31] <bleb> no dice
[02:35] <sarnold> bleb: alright, grasping at straws territory.. systemctl list-units   should include generated units for all the mounts .. is there one for the nfs mount? does it have a different status than others?
[02:40] <RoseBus> sry for dc, let me clarify my question
[02:40] <RoseBus> i've booted to ubuntu live usb, how can i access mac os file system from live usb stick?
[02:43] <sarnold> RoseBus: do you know if you used hfs+ or apfs on your machine?
[02:45] <bleb> sarnold: indeed, there is a unit called "home-cm2444-apu2.mount and it says "loaded failed failed  /home/cm/2444/apu2"
[02:46] <sarnold> bleb: this is dreaming, but how about journalctl -u home-cm2444-apu2.mount ?
[02:47] <bleb> ahhhh
[02:47] <bleb> "mount.nfs: Network is unreachable"
[02:47] <bleb> so it does the nfs mounts before wpa_supplicant
[02:48] <bleb> i mean NetworkManager :P
[02:48] <bleb> is guess NM only starts when you log in with xfce?
[02:51] <bleb> i guess it makes sense; different users might have different wifi settings/preferences
[02:51] <bleb> unlikely but conceivable
[02:53] <sarnold> it's weird.. I've seen users file bug reports about wifi passwords being stored in /etc/ somewhere after they've clicked the box "available to all users"
[02:54] <sarnold> but I think that nm doesn't bother doing anything on its own until a user logs in. maybe. I'm not sure.
[02:54] <RoseBus> sarnold, i'm not sure, how can i fugre that out
[02:54] <sarnold> I've never thought about just turning on a laptop and leaving it, before ;)
[02:56] <ghostnik11> hey i am trying to upgrade firefox to the latest version which is version 68 but currently i have version 66.03, the thing is when i run sudo apt-get update and then run sudo apt-get firefox it doesn't say that anything will be upgraded?
[02:56] <ghostnik11> what am i doing wrong
[02:57] <sarnold> RoseBus: try sudo lshw -c disk   to see what disks you've got. then sudo fdisk -l /dev/whatever   to see what partitions are there, and partition types.
[02:57] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: What release are you running ?
[02:58] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, i am running budgie ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[02:59] <Bashing-om> !info firefox | ghostnik11 :: Version 67 is what is -
[03:01] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, yeah i seen that, okay so i kind of have an idea, that is the latest version of firefox i can upgrade to so far. okay cool. if i select it from synaptic package will it erase the current version and uninstall the components i don't need and just upgrade my version 66 to 67?
[03:02] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: I am surprised you have not updated to 67 version. What results ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' .
[03:02] <RoseBus> sarnold, i found the apple ssd, i tried "sudo mount -t hfsplus -o force,rw /dev/sda2 /media/point
[03:02] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, should i just do it from terminal and do sudo apt-get firefox? i want to know if that command will erase the old version automatically and then after will i just have to do sudo auto-remove
[03:02] <RoseBus> "
[03:03] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, will run those commands right now
[03:03] <RoseBus> it says, "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on sda2, missing codepage or helper program or other error
[03:05] <sarnold> RoseBus: is there anything more specific in dmesg?
[03:05] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, its saying their are 7 items upgradedable but none of the ones they listed included firefox
[03:05] <RoseBus> sarnold, nope that's all it says... do u think it's bc of encryption?
[03:06] <sarnold> RoseBus: very possible
[03:06] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, its weird, i don't understand why its not including firefox and any other major app
[03:06] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: 'dpkg -l firefox ' shows what ?
[03:06] <sarnold> RoseBus: also, apple's in the process of replacing hfs+ with apfs .. I have no idea if anyone's written drivers for that yet :(
[03:06] <RoseBus> this macbook air is a few years old
[03:07] <sarnold> I was a touch surprised you said ssd; I figured they were flagship for nvme
[03:07] <sarnold> maybe they've been around longer than I thought :)
[03:08] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, before i run dpkg -l firefox, i told it yes for the upgradeable programs and will autoremove the ones it wants me to. it says i will have 200+ mb freed up. which is good because i am on a 2 in 1 bay trail tablet
[03:08] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, after the autoremove i will run the command for firefox
[03:09] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: :D
[03:11] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, okay it showed me something weird when i ran the command. check this out: https://pastebin.com/TxWT7jvM
[03:11] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, i probably need to restart the tablet
[03:11] <TheSHAD0W> Howdy...  Has anyone played with switching to a Ryzen 3200G or 3400G yet?  Any video driver issues?
[03:11] <RoseBus> sarnold, actually the error earlier is regarding /media/point
[03:12] <Bashing-om> bashfulshell: Yup - houston we do have a situation here.
[03:12] <sarnold> RoseBus: heh, did you just have to create the directory?
[03:13] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: We can try ' sudo apt remove --purge firefox ; sudo apt intall firefox ' .
[03:16] <RoseBus> sarnold, not so lucky, it's there
[03:16] <sarnold> RoseBus: dang
[03:16] <sarnold> RoseBus: time to run.. good luck
[03:20] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, i will try that now
[03:22] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, i think i know whats going on, so the firefox i have installed is firefox (the snap version) b/c when i just ran the command you told me to do, it said firefox wasn't installed even though it is and i am using it as we speak
[03:23] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: Does budgie even come with FF by default ?
[03:23] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, no it came with chrome by default
[03:23] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, i installed firefox i think through the software center
[03:24] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, so i should uninstall it via software center then install the regular version that isn't snap.
[03:25] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: Ho kay :) .. apt and snap do not talk to one another. ' snap list ' shows FF ?
[03:26] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, yeah it shows it when i run the command and the other ones that are also installed via snap
[03:26] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, i just realized that even the version of vlc i have is a snap version
[03:28] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: Ya want to be talking to the snap peeps.
[03:28] <Bashing-om> !snappy | ghostnik11
[03:29] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, i just did a small read from omgubuntu and realized that the snap version of firefox is bigger than the regular. one so why would the creators make snap?
[03:30] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, will check snappy site right now
[03:31] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: snap packaging is purely at the whim of the package maintainer, Got nothing to do with ubuntu :(
[03:32] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, oh okay, so b/c budgie is a variant of ubuntu they basically decided to choose it
[03:32] <Snorghma> hi all - I have vscode installed but I when try to use live share I get a message asking me to install some libraries.  When I do I get an error `Package 'libssl1.0.0' has no installation candidate` and the prerequistes fail.  I'm not really sure what this is trying to tell me.  Has anyone seen this before?  I'm on 19.04.
[03:33] <Snorghma> I think it means it can't find the package, but if this is the case where do I go to get it?
[03:33] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: Doubtful there. As I understand snaps - one has to install any snap package.
[03:34] <Snorghma> This is what MS told me to run to fix the issue but I get the aforementioned error.  `wget -O ~/vsls-reqs https://aka.ms/vsls-linux-prereq-script && chmod +x ~/vsls-reqs && ~/vsls-reqs`
[03:39] <Bashing-om> !info libssl1.0.0 bionic | Snorghma
[03:41] <Snorghma> @ubottu so I need to reinstall openssl?
[03:41] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, okay so the solution for anyone who might have snap is to run this command: sudo snap refresh and it will update all the snap apps on a persons system. if you want to see a list of the apps you can use snap refresh --list
[03:43] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: No - just adjust what you are doing - libssl1.0.0 is the versioning for 18.04. terminal command ' apt list "libssl*" might give a hint where to go.
[03:43] <Snorghma> ok thanks
[03:43] <Bashing-om> ghostnik11: Yhanks for the feedback !
[03:44] <sk1pfl1p> I love my IP address. I got so lucky!
[03:44] <sk1pfl1p> Also, Ubuntu is my favorite server OS.
[03:44] <ghostnik11> Bashing-om, no problem and thanks for the help also, will restart tablet and see how everything performs
[03:46] <Snorghma> @ubottu so it seems 19.04 has libssl1.1 installed but vscode liveshare is wanting libssl1.0 - I guess I should uninstall ssl1.1 and let MS install 1.0?
[03:48] <Bashing-om>  Snorghma: ubottu is our service bot :) // you do not want to me nessing around with libssl !
[03:50] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: Soorty big hurry on that last - *  want to be messing . See: apt show libssl1.0.0
[03:50] <Bashing-om> *libssl1.1
[03:54] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om ok thanks, yea ssl is kind of an important library I'll check that, thanks
[03:55] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: 'vscode' does not apper to be a ubuntu package, might talk to the group you got it from and advise then that you are on 19.04. Get them to update.
[03:59] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om hmm I got it from the MS download page - they have a linux release.  I guess that release isn't yet compatible with 19.04 entirely?  When look at show libssl1.0, I get https://pastebin.com/raw/HzQfVbwr
[04:03] <Bashing-om> !info libssl1.1 disco | Snorghma
[04:04] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: Need to talk to MS in that respect and get packaging for the disco release.
[04:07] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om oh wow ok, thanks I guess I'll email them?  There is no way I'm the first person with this issue right?
[04:07] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: Be aware that 19.04 is only supported for 9 months - is very unlikely than anyone is going to put much effort into packaging for such a short term :(
[04:08] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om yea I can see that, but I should atleast hope for a work around right?  Live-share is a an awesome feature and it seem all that is missing for 19.04 is this ssl package.  I would think 1.1 should be able to work in place of 1.0 - I guess something is just looking specifically for 1.0.
[04:19] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: Mind you I do not know your application, If you are intent on vscode I do suggest that you install ubuntu 18.04 as this is a Long Term Support ( 5 yesars) .
[04:24] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om that would be devistaing - I just got 19.04 up and running and cusomized.  I just tried to fill out a support ticket with MS but it seems it requires a contract, which I'm not really looking to buy, lol.  In theory if I strip out ssl entirely and install 1.0 ... it should work right?  I can't believe I don't see anything about this on google.  I'm just using stock 19.04 and vscode + live share.  I'd think this issue would happen to anyone else
[04:24] <Snorghma> using these two things.
[04:26] <Snorghma> I would like to use VScode b/c I working with a small dev team on a project and they are all windows ppl and I'm sure I'll hear about it if linux won't work with VScode but bimdows will.
[04:28] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: Oh boy ! do ' apt depends libssl1.1 ' >> libc6 ! that is the heart of the library system. Mess with that and you break everything !
[04:29] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om oh wow ok, well I guess I better not do that then, thanks for warning me
[04:29] <phroggy> Hi!  I'm looking for help replacing a failed drive in a RAID-5 array, where the OS is on the RAID and the system can't boot.
[04:30] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: were me and I had to .. adjust the vscode script to look to libssl1.1 .
[04:32] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om now that, is a standup idea
[04:34] <Bashing-om> Snorghma: Happy coding :P
[04:35] <Snorghma> @Bashing-om thx :)
[04:44] <k_sze> What tools can I use to compare *just* the audio data of two FLACs?
[04:45] <k_sze> I just want to check that the audio data is identical. I don't care about any possible metadata. Which is why a naive SHA checksum of the whole files won't work.
[04:47] <Snorghma> I haven't gotten it to work yet, but should anyone run into this error.  There is hope.  https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/38467
[04:59] <adol-christin> ok i passed out
[05:10] <phroggy> I was mistaken, it's a RAID-10 array.  I've created a new partition on the new drive, but it doesn't have a RAID superblock, so mdadm --assemble doesn't think it belongs to the array.
[05:14] <Void_Sentient_> I can’t connect to my USB NIC card. It does however show up in its S/N:123456 glory in usb-devices
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> !raid | phroggy
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Void_Sentient_: wich ubuntu version is that?
[05:17] <Void_Sentient_> Am I still here..? Kubuntu 19.04
[05:17] <Void_Sentient_> My client is saying im not in the channel
[05:21] <phroggy> lotuspsychje: thanks, unfortunately none of those appear to address my issue, nor does all my Googling so far, which seems super weird because it seems like this would be a very common situation.  It seems like what I need to do is create a new superblock in the new drive, matching the UUID to the existing drives, but I can't seem to find any mention of this being a thing you can or should do.
[05:21] <phroggy> I did find https://itooktheredpill.irgendwo.org/2010/change-uuid-of-a-mdadm-partition/
[05:22] <phroggy> which might solve my problem, but it seems to be a solution for a slightly different problem.
[05:24] <phroggy> oooh, wait, I might have it
[05:27] <phroggy> success!  I was able to assemble the array with only the 3 working drives, then use --run to force it to run like that, then when I tried to add the new drive it didn't complain about anything being missing.  It's rebuilding the array now.
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> nice phroggy
[05:28] <phroggy> Now I believe the only missing piece will be to reinstall grub.
[05:44] <Void_Sentient> I can’t connect to my USB NIC card. It does however show up in its S/N:123456 glory in usb-devices
[05:44] <Void_Sentient> Kubuntu 19.04
[05:44] <Void_Sentient> Fresh
[05:50] <blackflow> Patience is a virtue.
[06:21] <ibispi> can someone explain why ubuntu randomly 'locks' (doesn't let me copy/paste files onto my usb drive or delete files from it) my usb drive, and what can i do about it
[06:22] <ibispi> i mean i've tried a bunch of 'solutions' on the internet and they all fail to help me
[06:22] <ibispi> the only option is to format my usb but i don't feel like doing that
[06:28] <lag> If the installer hangs when actually installing - is there a way to pull up a debug terminal to figure out what's happening?
[06:30] <lag> It's been hung for >30 mins now: https://photos.app.goo.gl/EceGZomaM3ZDymzj8
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> lag: normally you can unfold details to see whats happening
[06:32] <SheepMaester> ubuntu on laptop: charging events are indicated in /var/lib/upower/history-charge-blablabla. For me it only contains 3 entries, all in July. Is there any way that older events can be viewed as well?
[06:33] <lag> lotuspsychje: In what respect?  There is no back button
[06:42] <eraserpencil11> hi! When I did "sudo apt update", I get this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HXbwqrp965/ . i have spent a fa and a half getting the right protoc version from source that another project needs so i dont wanna install another version of it that might potentially break that depency
[06:44] <eraserpencil11> google says i need to reinstall but is there a way around it?
[06:46] <blackflow> lag: you should be able to ctrl-alt-F2  (for example) to another TTY and see the process table, if anything is moving
[06:47] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: what do you mean? you built that lib from source?
[06:49] <eraserpencil11> yea i build the custom protoc from source, but libprotobuf-lite.so.9, I dont know where that came from
[06:49] <lag> blackflow: That's helpful, thanks
[06:49] <aj__> apw, Are you already aware, that the Kernel PPA build for 5.1.17 failed ? See: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.1.17/BUILD.LOG.amd64  **reporting **
[06:49] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: sounds like you broke apt with that. you shouldn't reall be building random libs over existing ones that re in use by other packages.
[06:50] <eraserpencil11> oh man...
[06:50] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: yeah, you need containers or chroots for that sort of work.
[06:53] <eraserpencil11> hmmm, i manually searched through the system and deleted libproto* prior to building the custom protoc. Read that an old version was screwing with my installation. Perhaps the two could have coexisted.
[06:53] <eraserpencil11> now that i broke apt, do you have a remedy for apt?
[06:54] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: well I'd tell you to apt install libprotobuf9v5 but that'd be a chicken and the egg problem.
[06:54] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: assuming that's xenial? perhaps you can download the .deb from archives and install it with dpkg
[06:54] <eraserpencil11> hmmm
[06:54] <eraserpencil11> i'll try that
[06:55] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: and hopefully you've learned not to remove or modify random files belonging to other packages.
[06:56] <eraserpencil11> would that be the one im looking for ? https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libprotobuf-lite9v5
[06:57] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: that'd be my guess from the pastebin you posted
[06:57] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: actually, chacnes are you still have the .deb in apt's cache. look into /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:59] <eraserpencil11> it's surprisingly bare that folder
[07:01] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: try `apt-get download libprotobuf-lite9v5`  , see or in fact, now that I mention it, see if apt-get works instead... apt-get install --reinstall libprotobuf-lite9v5
[07:02] <eraserpencil11> nice!
[07:02] <eraserpencil11> it works!
[07:03] <eraserpencil11> thanks alot
[07:03] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: now mark the package as auto
[07:03] <blackflow> apt-mark auto libprotobuf-lite9v5        just in case
[07:03] <eraserpencil11> theres a whole list of packages that apt tells me to autoremove, but I'm actually still using them
[07:04] <blackflow> you can apt-mark them manual then
[07:04] <eraserpencil11> thats a very long list
[07:05] <blackflow> eraserpencil11: https://askubuntu.com/questions/652363/how-can-i-get-a-list-with-the-packages-selected-by-apt-get-autoremove
[07:06] <blackflow> then you can feed that list via xargs to apt-mark
[07:09] <eraserpencil11> think i got it
[07:10] <eraserpencil11> thanks for your help
[07:10] <blackflow> you're welcome
[07:16] <eraserpencil11> actually, if i mark them as auto, they get removed
[07:16] <eraserpencil11> I'd have to mark them as manual?
[07:16] <eraserpencil11> why are they marked for removel anyway
[07:28] <scde> Hello, I was trying to install libxcb-errors ( https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libxcb-errors ) but can't find it in the ubuntu repository. Does someone know if it is packaged at all and if yes which package it is?
[07:38] <zamba> regrettably i'm looking for an alternative to thunderbird, as it completely and utterly sucks with large imap folders.. anyone got any suggestions?
[07:39] <zamba> i'm tired of "Loading message..." and "Downloading message..." and nothing happens
[07:59] <blackflow> scde: what do you need from it?
[08:01] <scde> blackflow: It's a (optional) build dependency. But it just bugged me that I couldn't find it.
[08:15] <vlt> zamba: If download speed is in issue an alternative could be something web based like roundcube, for example.
[08:15] <blackflow> roundcube is what I use, but requires you to run a web server
[08:16] <blackflow> (which, technically, could be local to your machine, it can use IMAPS to connect to remote servers; but it requires a httpd w/ php support, and a database)
[08:17] <zamba> vlt: the problem is not download speed
[08:26] <vlt> zamba: Ok. (That's why I wrote "if ...".)
[08:27] <aesthe> Is it possible to get Ubuntu-desktop running with a kernel version before 4.15?
[08:28] <sk1pfl1p> If anyone wanna discuss Ubuntu on Mumble.. definitely jump into our Mumble VoIP 149.28.63.186
[08:28] <zamba> vlt: hehe
[08:28] <blackflow> aesthe: yeah, default Xenial kernel (non-HWE) is 4.4
[08:30] <aesthe> blackflow, I was hoping for something like 4.14. I did install 4.4 yesterday. but then lost the wifi driver.
[08:31] <aesthe> I'm doing a full install now to hopefully get everything back to a working state
[08:31] <blackflow> aesthe: why do you need an older kernel tho?
[08:32] <aesthe> For reference: I'm using an X1C6 for work. and I need a working version of xl2tpd on my system so I can connect to my work VPN
[08:32] <aesthe> it stopped working for me yesterday for no reason
[08:33] <aesthe> The ubuntu version was last updated in 2015. The Xelerance version README says theres a kernel issue on vers 4.15+ that prevents it from working properly
[08:34] <aesthe> I'm basically trying whatever I can to get something working again
[09:16] <parak0vsky> telegram in russia just keep connecting even on open networks
[09:29] <parak0vsky> while in arch works fine
[09:43] <k_sze> I have reproduced the weird lock screen graphics bug and captured it in a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo0RmJLLYDo
[09:53] <blackflow> k_sze: you can file a bug report against the gnome-screensaver package.    `ubuntu-bug gnome-screensaver`
[10:14] <damian> hey guys, i've just noticed i'm still running 17.10 on a system and now i can't do any updates. i've hunted around but i can't find a manual way to push an update to this system without using apt. i'm guessing i just need to download the python3-update-manager manually and install so i can do it, but i can't find it around it
[10:14] <damian> any ideas?
[10:14] <cfhowlett> !eolupdate | damian
[10:14] <cfhowlett> !eol
[10:15] <damian> thank scf
[10:15] <damian> cfhowlett
[10:15] <cfhowlett> damian, happy2help!
[10:17] <damian> i can't believe i didn't find that page with all of the hunting i just did :\
[10:17] <damian> googlefu fails me
[10:30] <raj> why is `apt` being used here and not `apt-get`? https://itsfoss.com/update-ubuntu/
[10:36] <jeremy31> raj: https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[10:37] <raj> thanks jeremy31, ended up reading that
[10:37] <raj> so I can go from ubuntu 16 to 18 just by typing sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade?
[10:38] <raj> easy peasy
[10:38] <jeremy31> raj: No
[10:38] <raj> that's what it says at https://itsfoss.com/update-ubuntu
[10:40] <jeremy31> raj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10
[10:42] <tomreyn> raj: this article is not about upgrading to a new ubuntu release, but about keeping a system up to date (installing security and bug fixes). apparently ouy did not read it fully, see "Version upgrades are different" on the bottom of said article.
[10:42] <raj> yes, guess I missed that
[10:43] <raj> thank you guys
[10:44] <raj> how can I check the highest version of quassel-core available for ubuntu 16.04?
[10:50] <tomreyn> !latest | raj
[10:51] <tomreyn> raj: in other words: ou usually got exactly one version of a package per ubuntu release. if you reall yneed a newer one, you may consider upgrading to a newer ubuntu release (e.g. 18.04 LTS), using a !PPA or a !snap
[10:52] <raj> I understand. I just want to know the package version that quassel-core can be updated to in 16.04
[10:55] <raj> Wasn't there a bot in here that gave that info in the past?
[11:00] <raj> anyway, found the website, but vaguely remember a bot in the channel for the same
[11:02] <raj> does it matter if I do `sudo do-release-upgrade` within a screen session?
[11:03] <raj> man, I really picked the quietest time to need help =| never seen this place so desolate
[11:24] <ayekat> it shouldn't matter if it's running inside screen or not
[11:25] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[11:27] <tomreyn> hi, raj's gone. and i missed his / her other questions for lack of hilights
[12:41] <Bob-Obo> Hi there #ubuntu people :-)
[12:41] <tomreyn> welcome to ubuntu support, Bob-Obo
[12:42] <Bob-Obo> Thanks!
[12:43] <BluesKaj> wow, really quiet here this morning
[12:43] <Bob-Obo> [relative-noobie, need help for new ssd best filesystem for use on ubunutu and windows]. I have a new 1tb Samsung Evo 860 mSATA SSD... I'd like to use it for reading/writing files on ubuntu and windows. Many files I have are over 4gb. What's the best filesystem I should format my SSD to, to use with Ubuntu and Windows? Thanks in advance, cheers
[12:44] <tomreyn> besides dedicated OS partitions, have a shared NTFS data partiiton
[12:44] <compdoc> let ubuntu use the file system it wants, and let windows use the one it wants
[12:45] <BluesKaj> ext4 for ubuntu, ntfs for windows, but you're going to have to deal with uefi/gpt as well
[12:45] <BluesKaj> dual boot
[12:48] <tomreyn> back to silence then
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> the joy of +r +j
[12:50] <BluesKaj> aha, re-activated +r
[12:51] <BluesKaj> poor new users ...gonna have to use google and the forums
[12:52] <BluesKaj> is +j  #ubuntu specific ?
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes
[12:58] <BluesKaj> ahhh, so most unregistered (new) users end up in the unregged chat with instructions
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:05] <Bob-Obo> Thx tomreyn / compdoc / BluesKaj. I should've mentioned, I'd like to have only one partition because I want/need to make use of the full max storage space possible, so having 2 partitions is highly not desirable. I'd (ideally) like to have only one partition, formatted with just one filesystem that would work best for both reading and writing on both Windows and Ubuntu, with more than 4gb capability. I don't think I'll be doing the dual-boot option, but
[13:05] <Bob-Obo> instead will probably install Windows 7 &/or 10 on a VM, and then share the folders. -If that makes sense. Advice/suggestions?
[13:06] <Uriah7> Bob-Obo: NTFS
[13:06] <ayekat> Bob-Obo: you can't install linux on NTFS, and windows can't read any linux filesystem, you'll need at least two separate filesystems
[13:06] <Uriah7> ayekat: He is not asking to do that. Read his question.
[13:06] <compdoc> Bob-Obo, thats what it seemed like you wanted, but there is not one filesystem for both, unless its ntfs and thats not ideal
[13:07] <ayekat> oh, it's for an external hard drive
[13:07] <ayekat> my bad
[13:07] <Bob-Obo> This will be for secondary storage drive only, not primary os drive.
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Bob-Obo, then install ubuntu using the automatic method, after you're done then then the VM for windows
[13:07] <Bob-Obo> Not external, its an internal mSATA, but will be secondary drive.
[13:09] <Uriah7> Bob-Obo: Use NTFS. Anything else will cause issues. FAT32 is not an option because of file size limitations.
[13:09] <Uriah7> ExFAT is not really designed for this.
[13:11] <Bob-Obo> Ok thanks for your advice, much appreciated
[13:12] <Bob-Obo> Also, what terminal command do I type in to know the Kernal version?
[13:12] <compdoc> uname -a
[13:13] <Uriah7> uname -r
[13:14] <Bob-Obo> Ok, so it says my unit is: 4.18.0-16-lowlatency
[13:14] <Bob-Obo> But to my understanding, it should be 15.0  ?
[13:15] <Bob-Obo> * 5.0
[13:15] <Uriah7> Why do you want a kernel version of 5.0?
[13:16] <OerHeks> 19.10 gives 5.x, so you are on 18.04+hwe
[13:17] <Bob-Obo> Sorry I'm not sure, my techy friend who converted me to Ubuntu and installed it for me, was saying I should be on v5.0 and was trying to figure out why mine wasn't yet, but couldn't figure it out. He's out of the country now, so told me join this IRC for questions/help. I'm not sure of the v5.0 Kernal purpose. lol
[13:18] <OerHeks> wrong info, what is your ubuntu version exactly?
[13:18] <Bob-Obo> I'm actually running Ubuntu 19.04
[13:19] <OerHeks> also low latency kernel suggests you installed ubuntu studio?
[13:21] <Bob-Obo> hmm, its possible (studio).. but not sure exactly
[13:23] <coz_> Bob-Obo, in terminal   lsb_release -a   << I think that still works
[13:23] <coz_> or
[13:23] <coz_> install   neofetch for pretty thingy
[13:31] <Bob-Obo> coz_: No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu. Description: Ubuntu 19.04. Release: 19.04. Codename: disco.
[13:44] <Sven_vB> on one of my xenial notebooks, avahi-browse 0.6.32-rc became unable to find any services. restarting network-manager and avahi-daemin did not help. my other notebooks still see them, and they also see the blinded notebook. any ideas?
[13:45] <Sven_vB> it worked yesterday and I didn't update since.
[13:45] <Sven_vB> nah delete that, I might have auto-update enabled
[14:14] <adol-christin> hey
[14:15] <raj> does disco dingo have a stable release yet?
[14:16] <ayekat> !disco
[14:16] <raj> oh, it's not LTS
[14:16] <ayekat> seems like it does, since april
[14:16] <raj> I thought all xx.04 were LTS
[14:17] <CodeMouse92> raj: Nope, but all LTS are xx.04
[14:17] <CodeMouse92> Every *other& year
[14:17] <adol-christin> Hey can i have help need to install appache
[14:17] <raj> sucks
[14:17] <ayekat> raj: why? what do you need?
[14:17] <raj> how can I get quassel-core 0.13 in 18.04?
[14:18] <tomreyn> !ask | adol-christin
[14:18] <adol-christin> im sorry >_>
[14:18] <tomreyn> no worries, adol-christin ;)
[14:19] <ayekat> raj: is there a reason you need the LTS release, though?
[14:19] <meulFire> Hi all !
[14:20] <ayekat> either you get long-term stability, or you get the latest features - that's kind of a trade-off you make
[14:20] <tomreyn> meulFire: hi there
[14:20] <raj> ayekat: so I don't have to keep updating, as this is being used on a webserver
[14:20] <tomreyn> adol-christin: so you need help with installing apache httpd (the webserver), i assume? which buntu version are you running?
[14:21] <tomreyn> *ubuntu
[14:21] <adol-christin> ye >_>
[14:21] <ayekat> raj: welp, now you have to choose, it seems :-) (unless you manage to build a quassel-core 0.13 package against 18.04 yourself, that is)
[14:21] <adol-christin> tutorial not so clear i did it years ago but i forgot i am sorry i forgot >_>
[14:22] <raj> ayekat: is there no AUR type thing for ubuntu?
[14:23] <ayekat> raj: there's PPAs - apparently there is https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/quassel
[14:23] <adol-christin> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/httpd.html
[14:23] <tomreyn> raj: about your earlier question:
[14:23] <tomreyn> !info quassel-core 16.04
[14:23] <tomreyn> !info quassel-core xenial
[14:23] <derjohn_was_occu> apw, Are you already aware, that the Kernel PPA build for 5.1.17 failed ? See: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.1.17/BUILD.LOG.amd64  **reporting **
[14:24] <apw> derjohn_was_occu, yes, compiler change hurting us
[14:24] <tomreyn> meulFire: did you have any support question, or just saying hi?
[14:25] <derjohn_was_occu> apw, LART the compiler ;) Thx for listening. I will wait :)
[14:25] <ayekat> raj: actually, according to their website, older versions of quassel-core (back to 0.5 or something) should all be compatible
[14:25] <raj> there's the bot =) thanks tomreyn
[14:25] <ayekat> !info quassel-core bionic
[14:26] <raj> ayekat: I need a feature in 0.13
[14:26] <meulFire> On my ubuntu 19.04 I can't find my gpg.conf in any repertories ( nor in the default place ~/.gnupg/ ). I have searched a lot to know if ther is a way to generate one default configuration file but didn't find any answer. Is it normal to not have this configuration file in my ubuntu ?
[14:26] <ayekat> raj: ah well, then it's either the PPA or you build it yourself
[14:26] <meulFire> Sorry tomreyn cause I am french so it takes a while for me to write my question lol ;)
[14:27] <tomreyn> meulFire: c'est bon, pas de probleme ;)  you should normally have ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf after the first gpg run.
[14:28] <raj> thanks ayekat
[14:28] <meulFire> Nice french bravo ;)  Yes I read about this fix but I generate a key and nothing more happen... still not have the gpg.conf
[14:29] <raj> will it replace the previous version of quassel-core? Or do I need to manually remove it?
[14:29] <ayekat> it's got the same name, so it should replace the old version
[14:29] <tomreyn> meulFire: thanks, if not perfect. hmm, then just create gpg.conf yourself, i'd say. let me look for a template...
[14:31] <adol-christin> how do i open up ports on ubuntu
[14:31] <adol-christin> ?"
[14:31] <leftyfb> adol-christin: did you enable a firewall?
[14:32] <adol-christin> its a dedi server i bought before
[14:32] <leftyfb> adol-christin: ports are not closed by default
[14:32] <leftyfb> adol-christin: contact your provider for support
[14:34] <meulFire> ok thanks tomreyn ! Maybe I can find that template with the source files of the project
[14:35] <tomreyn> meulFire: i was looking in /usr/share/doc/gnupg* where such would normally be found, btu there is none there on my ubuntu 18.04 at least. nor in /etc/{default/,}g{nu,}pg*
[14:36] <raj> ayekat: it didn't update the previous one
[14:36] <raj> it just installed it alongside =|
[14:36] <tomreyn> meulFire: i guess you can just create your own then
[14:38] <meulFire> tomreyn: sorry I send the thanks msg in private
[14:38] <tomreyn> meulFire: there's a "gpgconf" command which may create the configuration file for you.
[14:39] <ayekat> raj: oh, I see that the package there is actually just called `quassel`
[14:39] <tomreyn> meulFire: no worries, but i just drop private messages from people i don't know.
[14:39] <meulFire> I have tried some stuff with gpgconf but unsuccessfull
[14:39] <meulFire> tomreyn: which command do you think about ?
[14:40] <ayekat> raj: but so I guess you can uninstall the quassel-core package
[14:40] <ayekat> (note that I don't use quassel, so I can't tell how those components interact with each other)
[14:40] <deadrom> hi all
[14:41] <deadrom> 18.04, bash script in user's crontab, does not get executed. how come? need to set the env PATHs somewhere?
[14:42] <leftyfb> deadrom: it does get executed. As long as it is executable. Maybe write in some logging/debugging to see why the script isn't doing what you expect
[14:42] <tomreyn> meulFire: maybe    gpgconf --apply-defaults --verbose
[14:43] <deadrom> leftyfb, it runs fine from bash terminal and does what it's supposed to do
[14:43] <raj> ayekat: https://paste.ee/p/K8QA2
[14:43] <raj> they have the same name
[14:43] <raj> quassel-core
[14:44] <deadrom> syslog has no info that it was run
[14:44] <ayekat> raj: but only one is installed, right?
[14:45] <meulFire> tomreyn: I have already tried it but unsuccesfull I gonna try after creating the gpg.conf file maybe it gonna help
[14:45] <tomreyn> meulFire: alternatively, if you just move ~/.gnupg out of the way and run gpg2 it should create gpg.conf there, i think
[14:45] <meulFire> tomreyn: ok I gonna try this too thx
[14:46] <raj> ayekat: I thought both are
[14:47] <ayekat> raj: well, only one is marked as [installed] :-)
[14:47] <tomreyn> meulFire: i just tried here, wont work
[14:47] <ayekat> and you typically can't have the same package installed multiple times
[14:48] <meulFire> tomreyn: same here...
[14:50] <leftyfb> deadrom: what does your crontab line look like?
[14:50] <raj> ayekat: something is wrong though, my quassel-client is reporting that the version of quassel-core (which is the server) is still 0.12x
[14:51] <tomreyn> meulFire: i suggest you ask in #gnupg
[14:51] <ayekat> raj: have you verified that the new version is running on the server? (i.e. restart etc.)
[14:52] <meulFire> tomreyn: good idea ! thanks for your help :)
[14:53] <deadrom> leftyfb,  * * * * * /root/script.sh
[14:54] <deadrom> leftyfb, it's proper +x'ed and runs from cli
[14:57] <deadrom> leftyfb, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MmZpdYMHYH/
[14:57] <deadrom> fairly easy script triggers the alerter when home gets used over 80 perc.
[14:58] <deadrom> syslog now even tells me it gets executed but the alert trigger does not come up. maybe cron doesnt knwo about the X display?
[15:00] <ayekat> it very likely doesn't know about the X display
[15:01] <deadrom> ayekat, probably. how do I tell it?
[15:03] <ayekat> deadrom: not sure if there is an elegant way to do so - I'd probably rather split up the space-checking part from the notification-showing part
[15:04] <ayekat> so that one runs as root (df -…) and writes the current space usage to some file, and then the other script (running in your X session) periodically reads from that file and does its thing
[15:05] <ayekat> ... otherwise you'd make a lot of ugly assumptions there
[15:05] <raj> ayekat: I bit the bullet and rebooted the OS, it works now
[15:05] <raj> thank you my friend for taking the time
[15:06] <ayekat> raj: ... simply restarting the service would probably have been enough, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:06] <deadrom> ayekat, I ran the script entirely from user's terminal where it would work like that but then cron did not even execute it. it only started doing this when I cp'ed the script to /root/ and created a root cronjob. I *think* there was something about "no cron when root has no cron jobs anyway" but right now not sure
[15:06] <leftyfb> deadrom: export DISPLAY=:0
[15:07] <ayekat> deadrom: wait, so the whole df... pipeline works fine as your user?
[15:07] <deadrom> leftyfb, tried, no good
[15:07] <deadrom> ayekat, yes.
[15:07] <leftyfb> deadrom: cron doesn't know about your display otherwise
[15:07] <ayekat> deadrom: is that the user's crontab or the system-wide/root crontab?
[15:09] <ayekat> I mean... if it works fine as a regular user, why have it run from a system-wide/root crontab?
[15:09] <oderus> hi. small issue. in sddm, my selected mouse theme does not show up (user installed one). the default one does, but i have it set differently and it does not appear. how can i repair this
[15:13] <leftyfb> deadrom: df -hl /home --output=pcent|tail -1|awk -F ' |%' '{print $2}'
[15:13] <leftyfb> deadrom: just thought that might be more efficient for you
[15:13] <deadrom> ayekat, wanted to evade permissions issue and see if it works if I go "big style" and hand it to root
[15:14] <leftyfb> deadrom: I would write that out to a file to make sure your script it getting run properly to begin with
[15:14] <ayekat> deadrom: running it as root probably causes more issues here
[15:14] <leftyfb> deadrom: there shouldn't be any permission issues using just df and notify-send
[15:14] <deadrom> could be, yeh.
[15:15] <deadrom> the file way is worht a shot, too, ill try that
[15:15] <leftyfb> deadrom: root will not be able to do anything with your DISPLAY
[15:15] <deadrom> leftyfb, love it, I'm teaching some guys here and right now we are at "lets use the lego bricks we know already", crash course, keep it simple etc :)
[15:16] <deadrom> ok, gonna try that - tomorrow, gotta run, thanks for the ideas
[15:26] <raj> ayekat: didn't know how to restart the service, I didn't see it in quasselcore's man page
[15:57] <maeud> Hi, I'm trying to build and install the kernel module for beegfs-client, when I try it says "Required key not available", it is a UEFI system with SecureBoot enabled, but SecureBoot validation is disabled in shim
[15:57] <maeud> any ideas why this required a key?
[15:59] <OerHeks> i think you need mok utils for that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS
[16:00] <maeud> I don't have validation enabled OerHeks
[16:09] <transhumanist> Hi! I have two partitions and a USB stick, USB stick has Ubuntu install media (18.04) I can boot to USB stick from UEFI mode (no problems) I also can boot to Windows by selecting F12 Boot menu and selecting Windows SSD, lastly I can boot to Ubuntu 18.04 by manually selecting Ubuntu out of the menu (boots ok) with signed nvidia drivers. Problem is I want 1 grub menu for all of them. Especially Ubuntu and Windows with Windows 10 t
[16:09] <transhumanist> t
[16:09] <transhumanist> Nothing I do fixes it
[16:10] <transhumanist> I have tried boot-repair, and I have also tried creating custom windows entry in custom-40 file with UUID but it doesn't work
[16:10] <transhumanist> I do not have a bios partition only EFI partition and boot and system partitions for the two operating systems and home directory
[16:12] <Richard_Cavell> May I ask - what is Ubuntu's approach to the directories /cdrom, /mount and /mnt?  Which is for what purpose?
[16:14] <teward> Richard_Cavell: /mount and /cdrom aren't listed in the hierarchy, where are you seeing those two?
[16:15] <teward> mnt is defined by the File System Hierarchy Standard.  Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview#Main_directories and https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs-3.0.pdf (this one's for the full Filesystem Hierarchy Standard)
[16:15] <OerHeks>  /mnt/ is for partitions noted in fstab, /media for removable stuff .. and /cdrom is selfexplaining
[16:15] <OerHeks>  /mount does not exist
[16:16] <Richard_Cavell> teward, I'm on 16.04 LTS
[16:16] <teward> and that matters why?
[16:16] <teward> FHS is FHS regardless of distro
[16:16] <OerHeks> teward, /cdrom is valid
[16:16] <teward> OerHeks: ah, it's not listed in the Ubuntu docs
[16:16] <Richard_Cavell> teward, oh dear I'm sorry I meant /cdrom, /media and /mnt
[16:17] <teward> well /cdrom is selfexplanatory
[16:17] <OerHeks> teward, indeed, lets note the wikiteam
[16:17] <transhumanist> let me ask the question in a different way. Does anyone have directions for getting Ubuntu and Windows 10 to dual boot with UEFI/EFI mode only
[16:18] <OerHeks> !uefi
[16:18] <OerHeks> dualboot should be not that hard
[16:18] <transhumanist> it seems to be impossible without a bios legacy partition
[16:18] <OerHeks> err yes, you need GPT with UEFI
[16:18] <adrian_1908> transhumanist: install Windows first, then Ubuntu. They'd usually share the EFI partition then.
[16:20] <transhumanist> yeah too late for that its an old installation of WIndows resintalling isn't an option I reinstalled ubuntu / and system partions afterwards, but without the legacy partition being in place I get the feeling this doesnt work. I have tried passing it the correct windows UUID I have even tried PKIS certificate passing
[16:21] <transhumanist> both boot great by the F12 menu
[16:22] <tomreyn> transhumanist: so are both boot loaders on the ESP then?
[16:24] <ayekat> raj_: I assume it's a systemd service, right? so you can just restart it like any other systemd service (systemctl restart ...)
[16:25] <transhumanist> if you mean are both supposed to share a EFI partition , then yes
[16:25] <transhumanist> both systems are on separate hard drives one ssd(windows) and one 7200RPM drive for Ubuntu18.04
[16:26] <transhumanist> but both should boot from a common EFI partition (or thats the idea)
[16:28] <tomreyn> transhumanist: my understanding is that you already have both windows and ubuntu installed. if so, their boot loaders shoul dnow be present on the first efi system partition your mainboard firmware will come across when scanning your storages during boot. the ESP is a fat32 file system, i.e. you can inspect its contents from either OS.
[16:28] <Bob-Obo> hello
[16:28] <ayekat> Bob-Obo: hello - what's broken?
[16:30] <transhumanist> so your saying the system partition of Windows knows Windows 10 only and thats the one I have to update for both? I thought boot-repair copies this information into the efi partition when you select a separate EFI partition in the options
[16:30] <tomreyn> transhumanist: i don't know what boot-repair does, it's not part of ubuntu, and i never used it.
[16:30] <ayekat> transhumanist: there is no "system partition of windows" - there is the EFI system partition, which holds the EFI executables for all bootable systems
[16:32] <transhumanist> Windows refers to the partition with the boot files as the system partition and the drive with the windows operating system as the boot partition (stupid I know) FYI
[16:33] <ayekat> ah yes - but in that case both those partitions are windows-specific and neither linux nor EFI care about those
[16:33] <ayekat> unless "the partition with the boot files" is the EFI system partition, in which case *that* one is relevant ^^
[16:34] <ayekat> (and should contain the ubuntu (or rather GRUB) files as well if you want to boot it)
[16:35] <tomreyn> since transhumanist can boot ubuntu and can just share the output of    sudo ls -lR /boot/efi/ | nc termbin.com 9999    with us, we don't really need to understand which partition windows calls what.
[16:36] <transhumanist> sure I can do that! Let me reboot
[16:36] <meulFire> tomreyn: I have just asked on #gnupg and they answered me that it is totally normal as when the config file exist, he is empty. It is the user that have to complete it in order to change the default configuration of gpg
[16:37] <Bob-Obo> TL;DR- My external SSD that was formatted on Laptop-A is detecting on laptop-A, but not on laptop-B. I'll try to be as brief as possible, but please forgive me if it's not quite...sortof a linux noobie here. So I have a new WD Blue 2TB 2.5" SATA SSD, I formatted it to FAT32 on my gf's ubuntu laptop, and transferred her movies from her main drive to my newly formatted WD Blue SSD. It detects right away on here laptop, appears in her folder manager, and
[16:37] <Bob-Obo> shows all the movies on the SSD. BUT... when I plug it into my ubuntu laptop, it does not get detected, does not appear in the folder manager, and when I open the Disks app, it shows it as 2tb of free space, no data on it detected. Advice? Thx in advance.
[16:37] <tomreyn> meulFire: so one of my many guesses was right at least ;)
[16:38] <tomreyn> thanks for reporting back
[16:39] <meulFire> tomreyn: that's it :) Thanks again for your help
[16:40] <tomreyn> meulFire: you're welcome :)
[16:40] <ayekat> Bob-Obo: what happens if you mount it manually? e.g. mount /dev/sdX /mnt
[16:43] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: disconnect the ssd from your laptop, run     journalctl -f    in a terminal window, reconnect the ssd, then tell us (!paste or just list the sdXY partitions detected) what was printed.
[16:43] <tomreyn> !paste | Bob-Obo
[16:44] <Bob-Obo> ayekat: sorry mate, that's above my level, not sure what you mean
[16:45] <transhumanist> Hi! Its me, back again https://termbin.com/et3w as requested
[16:45] <Bob-Obo> thanks tomreyn, doing now
[16:45] <xingjinma> above my level too
[16:46] <tomreyn> xingjinma: hmm?
[16:46] <transhumanist> https://termbin.com/iizr << grub.cfg
[16:46] <sarnold> Bob-Obo: you didn't accidentally use exfat did you?
[16:47] <ayekat> transhumanist: that looks like windows is not installed
[16:47] <adol-christin> I need help i bought a domain on google domains how do i connect the domain to my dedi server?
[16:47] <tomreyn> transhumanist / ayekat: not on this ESP anyways
[16:47] <transhumanist> see second one windows is there
[16:47] <transhumanist> I tried adding it using custom-40
[16:47] <ayekat> Bob-Obo: `mount` is a command that mounts a filesystem to a directory - but I guess explaining the concept of mounting would take a bit more than a few lines on IRC
[16:48] <ayekat> transhumanist: so you've got multiple EFI system partitions?
[16:48] <tomreyn> adol-christin: hmm that's a little out of scope for ubuntu support. there is #ubuntu-server where it's a little less but still out of scope, and there is #dns where it is probably still out of scope, and there is #google
[16:49] <transhumanist> https://termbin.com/yt6u
[16:49] <tomreyn> could also be ##google , not sure
[16:49] <transhumanist> no only one efi partition unless windows has made on an efi partition
[16:49] <transhumanist> I installed Windows in UEFI mode
[16:50] <tomreyn> transhumanist: sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit && sudo fdisk -L |& pastebinit
[16:50] <tomreyn> transhumanist: let me fix a typo:    sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit && sudo fdisk -l |& pastebinit
[16:50] <Bob-Obo> ayekat: I understand you now... sorry didnt realize that was a terminal command.
[16:51] <transhumanist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g9KBdqj3bF/ by the way I really appreciate the help!
[16:51] <tomreyn> transhumanist: since you installed windows first (from what i understood), it most definitely created an ESP.
[16:51] <ayekat> Bob-Obo: anyway, what's the output of journalctl -f when you plug in the drive?
[16:53] <tomreyn> adol-christin: generally, your goal would be to point the domains' A record to the IPv4 address (or the AAAA record to the IPv6 address) of your dedicated server
[16:54] <ayekat> transhumanist: what's the output of `findmnt` in ubuntu?
[16:55] <transhumanist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SJtcMgfwM3/ thanks
[16:56] <transhumanist> I think I know what your thinking. Windows isn't actually on a UEFI parition?
[16:56] <transhumanist> err installed in UEFI mode?
[16:56] <ayekat> transhumanist: well, whatever you mount to /boot in ubuntu appears to be the ESP, but I don't know how windows actually boots
[16:57] <OerHeks> transhumanist, yes, seems like it is not.
[16:57] <transhumanist> crap, that means I have to move crap around to make a legacy boot partition right?
[16:58] <transhumanist> I can set it to dual boot legacy and UEFI but it didn't seem to work which got me here in the first place
[16:58] <tomreyn> transhumanist: before you do this, better mount /dev/sda1 and inspect it, just to make sure
[16:59] <transhumanist> there should be an efi.sys file there or something right?
[16:59] <tomreyn> not sure what its called, i think it has no file extension
[17:00] <OerHeks>  /dev/sda1  is very small and on an old DOS mbr, sdb is correct, GPT
[17:00] <tomreyn> transhumanist: what's the output of   sudo file -s /dev/sda1
[17:00] <tomreyn> oh right sda is an msdos table
[17:00] <tomreyn> transhumanist: you can skip the file command
[17:01] <transhumanist> ok
[17:01] <maeud> lsblk would likely be easier to understand than findmnt
[17:01] <ayekat> so there is a disk with an DOS partition table (and presumably Windows installed in BIOS/Legacy mode) and a disk with an ESP, with Linux installed on it
[17:02] <tomreyn> transhumanist: i think i read soemwhere there are tools to convert windows from legacy bios to uefi mode without reinstalling. but obviously here's the wrong place to discuss this, maybe ask in ##windows
[17:02] <ayekat> maeud: not necessarily - lsblk doesn't show bind mounts
[17:02] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: ran the command, but seems like there is no end to it, just keeps running in perpetuity. Here is a screenshot https://i.imgur.com/Xk5TnYU.png
[17:02] <maeud> we don't need to see bind mounts
[17:02] <transhumanist> ok thanks for the hint
[17:03] <ayekat> maeud: we want(ed) to know what /boot has mounted, in which case findmnt is more robust
[17:03] <transhumanist> I will look in the right place
[17:03] <ayekat> maeud: because some people bind-mount a sub-directory from the ESP to /boot, rather than the partition directly
[17:03] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: right, it keeps polling the log. you can just ctrl-c it when you're done. sorry, should have told you.
[17:03] <ayekat> maeud: (I do so, at least)
[17:04] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: this system doesn't seem to like your disk. at what time (on the screenshot) did you reconnect the drive?
[17:06] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: is this drive connected via USB or directly connected to the SATA bus?
[17:10] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: re- time that I connected the drive - https://i.imgur.com/IbQGuiu.png
[17:10] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: connected via usb
[17:11] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: you wrote "external ssd" earlier, so i assume it's in an usb enclosure, connected via usb to your computer. if that's the case, please disconnect all USB devices you don't strictly need, also the ssd, keep    journalctl -f     running (or re-run it), press enter there a couple times so you'll know where new output starts, then reconnect the ssd, and check the journalctl output for new output added.
[17:12] <tomreyn> ok usb connected drive
[17:12] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: correct, external enclosure via usb
[17:12] <adol-christin> ok so what i meant was how do i get my domain to work with apache on ubuntu
[17:13] <adol-christin> so far only the ip works how can i fix this?
[17:13] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: its the only usb connected (plus my usb mouse dongle)
[17:15] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/6hAUhq6.png
[17:16] <OerHeks> adol-christin, "i bought a domain on google domains how do i connect the domain to my dedi server?" i hope google provides a manual?
[17:17] <adol-christin> i set that part up
[17:18] <adol-christin> but how do i make it interact on the dedi server
[17:18] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: interesting issue, i've never seen this "process ata_id --export ... failed with exit code 2" message before. can you try connecting the disk to the other USB port, the one next to the HDMI and power connector on the (left hand) backside of your laptop?
[17:19] <jhutchins_wk> adol-christin: You need to point the DNS record for your domain at the IP of your server.
[17:20] <tomreyn> adol-christin: it can take a while until your domain name really starts pointing to your server after you made the change.
[17:20] <tomreyn> usually less than an hour
[17:21] <jhutchins_wk> adol-christin: Do a whois on your domain.  That will tell you who has the DNS record.  I am not familiar with how google domains does DNS, sorry.  Most registrars now offer free DNS services.
[17:21] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: ok done - https://i.imgur.com/xnOr2ZH.png
[17:22] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: here's the same result after letting it run for a few seconds longer, not sure if that helps or not - https://i.imgur.com/Nk9qxwu.png
[17:22] <john_doe_jr> How do you create and load a personal service as a non-root user?
[17:23] <delita> sudo
[17:25] <sarnold> john_doe_jr: try systemctl --user ... before your commands
[17:25] <john_doe_jr> delita: do I have to put the service file in /etc/systemd/system
[17:25] <john_doe_jr> ?
[17:25] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: hmm, no, waiting longer did not add new info (but this was a good idea). the same error message occured this time as it did on the other USB port.
[17:27] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: can you show this while the ssd is connected:   sudo /bin/true && pastebinit < <(sudo fdisk -l ; echo; sudo lsblk; )
[17:28] <ayekat> john_doe_jr: do you want user services?
[17:28] <ayekat> john_doe_jr: (i.e. services running as your user rather than system-wide/as root)
[17:29] <john_doe_jr> ayekat: I want to run the service as a non-root user.
[17:29] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: did you see this question earlier - i don't think you answered it, yet? <sarnold> Bob-Obo: you didn't accidentally use exfat did you?
[17:29] <ayekat> john_doe_jr: actually, what's the situation? and what is the service in question?
[17:31] <OerHeks> avoiding company policy; do not install software?
[17:31] <john_doe_jr> ayekat: I have a service file in my home directory called sync.service and I'd like to load this service as a daemon.  I've tried systemctl --user enable /path/to/sync.service but that doesn't load the service file.
[17:32] <sarnold> john_doe_jr: does it give you an error message?
[17:32] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: <sarnold> oh geez, sorry I don't know
[17:32] <ayekat> john_doe_jr: you'll need to put it into ~/.config/systemd/user
[17:33] <john_doe_jr> ayekat: is the user part in ~/.config/systemd/user your user name or just the string 'user'?
[17:33] <ayekat> just the string 'user'
[17:33] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/Tmd2z9H.png
[17:33] <ayekat> see systemd.unit(5) - the list of directories for unit files is listed at the top of the man page
[17:34] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: can you just copy and paste the url here?
[17:34] <tomreyn> ignore those warnings
[17:34] <Bob-Obo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DhfTzGTN3j/
[17:35] <tomreyn> thanks :)
[17:35] <Bob-Obo> :thumbsup:
[17:35] <EDinNY> Is there a file I can look at on my client that will give me info on my DHCP lease?
[17:35] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: so this was with the usb SSD connected?
[17:36] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: correct
[17:36] <sarnold> tomreyn: I'm guessing it's this one /dev/sda1        2048 1953523711 1953521664 931.5G  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[17:36] <sarnold> I was hoping it'd be more explicit :)
[17:36] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: what's the output for     sudo file -s /dev/sda1
[17:36] <tomreyn> sarnold: me, too
[17:37] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: also access this path in your file browser:    /media/j/S1
[17:37] <OerHeks> sarnold, tomreyn does he need to format that sda drive with MBR to GPT?
[17:38] <OerHeks> * and reinstall windows
[17:38] <tomreyn> OerHeks: who?
[17:38] <OerHeks> oops, wrong person, carry on
[17:38] <tomreyn> :-)
[17:39]  * OerHeks was focussed on transhumanist
[17:39] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/9sf7YLY.png
[17:40] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: so this supposedly "FAT32" file system actually seems to be NTFS.
[17:41] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: and it seems to have been mounted at /media/j/S1 successfully
[17:41] <tomreyn> i assume windows may automatically switch to NTFS if you try to create a partition / file system larger than 32 GB.
[17:42] <ioria> Bob-Obo, i suggest a     ls -al /media/j/S1
[17:43] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: ok thx, interesting. (j is my laptop name and S1 is what I named the 2tb WD Blue 2.5" ssd - not sure if u already could tell)
[17:43] <tomreyn> j is actually your user name, yes. ;)
[17:44] <tomreyn> EDinNY: your system log should have info on those.  journalctl -b
[17:45] <EDinNY> thanks, tomreyn...I used to know where to find a file that contained all the info including lease time and other data
[17:46] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/H7aGLXD.png
[17:46] <ioria> there's nothing
[17:46] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: i concur with ioria
[17:47] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: when you connect this ssd to the other computer, do the files still show there?
[17:47] <ioria> Bob-Obo, you probably need to manually umount and remount
[17:48] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: i assume the other computer runs windows?
[17:48] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: yes, mounts/displays quickly and all files appear
[17:48] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: did just just try this or did you report what it was like in the past?
[17:51] <tomreyn> !paste | Bob-Obo: Please read this and also !pastebinit - textual pastes are preferred (and should be easier for you to handle, too)
[17:51] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | Bob-Obo
[17:53] <Bob-Obo> ioria: (you probably need to manually umount and remount) - the drive doesn't show up, how to do that? just unplug it? or....?
[17:54] <ioria> Bob-Obo,  sudo umount /media/j/S1
[17:56] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: (i assume the other computer runs windows?) Both mine and hers run Ubuntu, mine 19.04, hers is 18.04 - drive seems to work fine on hers, but not on mine.
[17:57] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: so you just tested again whether you can access the files on her system, right?
[17:58] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: (did just just try this or did you report what it was like in the past?) This is the first time to try installing it
[17:58] <Bob-Obo> ...first time to use it, fresh out of the box
[18:01] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: okay, let me explain this more, maybe my question is more understandable then: sometimes, when you copy data to an external storage, like this SSD, the data may not actually get properly written to the SSD before you unplug it, if you don't unplug it safely (asking the operating system to unmount the file system and 'eject' it). so it could be that all files seemed to transfer fine, but you unplugged the disk early when copying the
[18:01] <tomreyn> files, and that they did not really get properly stored on the ssd. this is why i'm asking you to re-verify that the other (GF's) computer actually sees the data on the drive now.
[18:03] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: something else you can do it to post the output of this command, with the disk attached, on both her and your computer:    sudo /lib/udev/ata_id --export /dev/sda      (replace "sda" by whichever block device journalctl -f says it was detected as)
[18:05] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: finally, you can run     sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda1     while the ssd is connected to your computer (and report the output)
[18:06] <tacocat_> Hello everyone, I'm trying to creating a Lubuntu portable installation without the use of casper_rw. Is this the right channel to ask for help?
[18:06] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn:  (so you just tested again whether you can access the files on her system, right?) Sorry doing some multitasking, just getting caught up on the replies... Not yet, but will disconnect/connect to hers now and reply...
[18:08] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: i noticed you must be busy by other means.
[18:09] <tomreyn> tacocat_: so you mean a full (writable, persistent) Lubuntu installation on removable media?
[18:09] <tacocat_> @tomreyn Yep
[18:09] <tacocat_> tomreyn: Yep
[18:09] <TJ-> tacocat_: do you also want it to have the installer available to install to other devices?
[18:09] <tomreyn> tacocat_: i'm not really familiar with the lubuntu installer, calamares. There is #lubuntu
[18:10] <tacocat_> (New to IRC, is it : or @?)
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> !tab | tacocat_
[18:10] <tomreyn> tacocat_: << linke this (no need for the colon, though)
[18:10] <tomreyn> *like
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> hey mathisen
[18:10] <sarnold> tacocat_: strictly speaking you don't need either one, but most irc clients will add the : after a nickname when you use tabcomplete
[18:10] <tacocat_> ubottu: Thanks!
[18:11] <tacocat_> tomreyn: Thanks too!
[18:11] <tomreyn> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a human ;-)
[18:11] <tacocat_> Hehe
[18:12] <mathisen> lotuspsychje, hey
[18:12] <sarnold> lol
[18:12] <tacocat_> tomreyn: Oh well, within Ubintu is there any tools I could get inspiration from? The installer is not essential, though It'd be nice to have it around.
[18:12] <tacocat_> *Ubuntu
[18:13] <TJ-> tacocat_: if all you want is a Lubuntu install on a USB flash device, treat it like a regular HDD/SSD and install to it
[18:14] <tomreyn> ^
[18:14] <TJ-> tacocat_: you can also put the lubuntu installer ISO on it in a way that allows you to choose it at boot-time
[18:14] <tacocat_> TJ-: Would using a regular install overwrite the local bootloader?
[18:14] <tacocat_> How would I do the ISO?
[18:15] <TJ-> !info grub-imageboot
[18:16] <TJ-> tacocat_: installing to the USB device you'd also ensure the bootloader is written to that device. Plug it into any PC, use that PC's manual boot-device selector, and it will boot
[18:17] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: (files, and that they did not really get properly stored on the ssd. this is why i'm asking you to re-verify that the other (GF's) computer actually sees the data on the drive now.) Pretty certain 98% I did not unplug it too early, Im usually quite cognizant to always 'eject' or 'remove safely' whenever possible. Checking now...
[18:17] <TJ-> tacocat_: as the installation uses GRUB when you add grub-imageboot as an installed package, and put the .iso file in the correct directory, it'll allow selecting whether to boot the ISO or the fixed installation at the GRUB boot menu. For that you might want to change the GRUB default settings to show the GRUB menu at every boot, and wait a few seconds before booting the default
[18:18] <tacocat_> TJ-: So in theory, running the installer while pointing to the USB drive wouldn't modify the local computer?
[18:18] <TJ-> tacocat_: correct (although do note you cannot (easily) install to the same USB device as the installer is running from)
[18:19] <TJ-> tacocat_: although I have done that several times recently and it is easy (if you know how!)
[18:20] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: (files, and that they did not really get properly stored on the ssd. this is why i'm asking you to re-verify that the other (GF's) computer actually sees the data on the drive now.) Ok, just tried in unit-2. Looks good, took about 10-15sec to display in the folder manager and all data seems to be there, Properties is showing all 307gb used and 1.7tb free, as it should be.
[18:20] <tacocat_> TJ-: Great! Then I'll go ahead and try to install now to another drive. Would you know where I could look for documentation on same-drive installation? (Sounds interesting!)
[18:21] <TJ-> tacocat_: I suspect there may be (incomplete) guides out there but I do this all from personal knowledge and experience
[18:22] <tacocat_> TJ-:  Well, that's good by me then! I'll try things out and report back then. Seriously, thanks for all the help!
[18:22] <TJ-> tacocat_: it's basically a case of using a USB device that is larger than the ISO image. Say the ISO is 2.5G and the USB is 16GB. Once the ISO is written to the USB there's ~13GB space unused. I edit the partition table on it ensure that free space is 'seen' so I can just tell the installer to use it. After install I then erase the area used by the ISO and re-assign it as additional space (I always use LVM so
[18:23] <TJ-> re-assigning space is trivial)
[18:24] <TJ-> tacocat_: so I start by booting the ISO installer in "Try" mode so I can use the terminal and tools to pre-configure the USB partition table before starting the installer.
[18:24] <tacocat_> TJ-:  Huh, you make it sound easy.
[18:24] <adol-christin> hey ok back
[18:24] <adol-christin> my ubuntu dedi keeps crashing is there a command on ubuntu to find out the reason?"
[18:24] <tacocat_> You must be really well versed in this toolset then.
[18:25] <TJ-> tacocat_: Probably because I've been working at this low level for many years so comfortable with it
[18:25] <tacocat_> Yeah, must be.
[18:25] <tacocat_> Well, I'll go ahead and reboot.
[18:25] <tacocat_> See ya later!
[18:26] <TJ-> tacocat_: I've been thinking of proposing patches to our live-ISO builder tooling to make this easier to do (by leaving a partition entry available and adding a simple tool that writes that partition entry to match the actual USB device)
[18:26] <adol-christin> https://gyazo.com/6b7d34259a860e305af79d60438be33f
[18:26] <adol-christin> i checked all the files whats it mean if they read?
[18:27] <adol-christin> *red
[18:28] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: (sudo /lib/udev/ata_id --export /dev/sda      (replace "sda" by whichever block device journalctl -f says it was detected as)).. sorry not sure what you mean.
[18:30] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: good, so at least the files aren't lost (since they still show on your GF's system). NTFS is not the file system of choice if you want to transfers files between two Ubuntu systems, by the way. I'd choose ext4 (or ext3 if you have some really old system) then.
[18:31] <adol-christin> can anyone provide any kind of help too?
[18:31] <adol-christin> *too me?
[18:31] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: please connect the ssd to your own computer and run      sudo /lib/udev/ata_id --export /dev/sda |& pastebinit 2>/dev/null
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> adol-christin: explain to the channel where you currently at?
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> adol-christin: what happened before, and where are you stuck now
[18:32] <tomreyn> adol-christin: files showing in red color are compressed files.
[18:36] <blackflow> adol-christin: `journalctl -b -1 -n 100`    will output last 100 lines logged right before last reboot/crash. Can you pastebin that please?
[18:36] <tomreyn> !pastebin | adol-christin
[18:37] <tomreyn> "keeps rebooting" may suggest the previous log is short - so it may be best to post that full log.
[18:37] <adol-christin> how do i pull up the entire log
[18:38] <tomreyn> sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastbinit && journalctl -b -1 |& pastebinit
[18:38] <tomreyn> this is to post it online
[18:38] <teward> tomreyn: triple check your spelling on the apt command
[18:38] <teward> s/pastbinit/pastebinit/
[18:39] <tomreyn> ah, thanks
[18:39] <tomreyn> adol-christin: correction (just run the whole thing again if needed):  sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit && journalctl -b -1 |& pastebinit
[18:40] <blackflow> or just pipe to netcat....
[18:42] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: (while the ssd is connected to your computer (and report the output)) https://i.imgur.com/8NOSoEq.png
[18:43] <adol-christin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YMHmMHDfp7/
[18:43] <adol-christin> here
[18:43] <Bob-Obo> oh sorry, you said 'your computer'..read that wrong, showed you hers
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> adol-christin: are you on 19.04?
[18:44] <adol-christin> ye
[18:44] <adol-christin> for the server
[18:44] <adol-christin> im australian servers hosted in germanty
[18:44] <adol-christin> *germany
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> adol-christin: 19.04 is a non-lts, are you installing 19.04 for production?
[18:45] <Bob-Obo> (tomreyn: i noticed you must be busy by other means.) Yes, apologies for the delayed replies
[18:46] <adol-christin> i installed it for the dedi server
[18:46] <adol-christin> should i change versions or soemthing lotuspsychje
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> adol-christin: thats your choice really, are you installing for testing purpose or production?
[18:47] <adol-christin> production
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> adol-christin: then i think its advisable you choose an LTS version of ubuntu
[18:48] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: (really old system) - not too old, just a couple years and from 2014
[18:48] <adol-christin> whats differance
[18:48] <adol-christin> can u explain
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> !lts | adol-christin
[18:49] <adol-christin> anyways
[18:49] <adol-christin> how can i find the crash report
[18:49] <TJ-> adol-christin: You said this is a 'dedicated server' - is it from a data-center / 'cloud' hosting service?
[18:49] <adol-christin> data center
[18:50] <TJ-> adol-christin: right; so the first thing that is VERY unusual is you've installed a desktop version of Ubuntu. This is unusual since the PC has no display device. We'd usually expect it to be installed from the ubuntu-server ISO
[18:50] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/twTnjTV.png
[18:51] <Bob-Obo> {sudo /lib/udev/ata_id --export /dev/sda |& pastebinit 2>/dev/null} -seemed to do nothing
[18:52] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: now i'm also busy, sorry, bbs
[18:52] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: is the device actually /dev/sda1 ?  tomreyn  did point out to use the device name on *your* system in place of his example sda1
[18:53] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn:  no problem thx so much for your help :-))
[18:53] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: you can check using the command "lsblk"
[18:54] <Bob-Obo> TJ: ahhhh ok thats what he meant, didn't realize that. Will retry...
[18:55] <Bob-Obo> TJ: not sure if its actually /dev/sda1
[18:56] <Bob-Obo> https://i.imgur.com/DjgXgZd.png
[18:56] <adol-christin> so what do u guys think i should do
[18:56] <adol-christin> reformat it?
[18:56] <adol-christin> and change operation systems?
[18:56] <adol-christin> *operating systems
[18:57] <adol-christin> Arch Linux latest minimal  CentOS 7.6 minimal  Debian 10.0 LAMP  Debian 10.0 minimal  Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS minimal  Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS Nextcloud  Ubuntu 19.04 minimal
[18:57] <adol-christin> these are the options which one should i get?
[18:58] <blackflow> adol-christin: Ubuntu LTS definitely, but which one of the two? Depends on what you want.
[18:58] <blackflow> adol-christin: and really, btw... you should not be running a server on the public internet if you don't know these things. You will just end up harming others.
[19:00] <adol-christin> nah i know how to do stuff its being ages though since i last did it >_>
[19:00] <adol-christin> years infact
[19:01] <adol-christin> so reformatting it hopefully that fixes it
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> !server | adol-christin
[19:01] <blackflow> adol-christin: that doesn't change the point that I'm trying to make. there's no difference if you forgot or never knew...
[19:09] <adol-christin67> k
[19:11] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: the last output you posted (as a screenshot :-/ ) is incomplete.
[19:12] <sarnold> uhoh, not great sign
[19:13] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: ntfsfix was apparently run against the wrong device (which is why TJ asked for lsblk, to find out which the right device is)
[19:13] <tomreyn> oh
[19:26] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: sorry about that, scrnshot1 https://i.imgur.com/twTnjTV.png - scrnshot2 https://i.imgur.com/FTwWJFB.png
[19:31] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: i'm surprised the ata_id command apparently provided no output at all. can you run it again (with the ssd attached), like this?  sudo /lib/udev/ata_id --export /dev/sda
[19:32] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: as a reminder, we prefer textual pastes over screenshots
[19:33] <TJ-> Does the NTFS tooling support 1.8TB volumes?
[19:33]  * tarzeau uses exfat
[19:34] <tomreyn> between ubuntus, i use ext4
[19:35] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: tomreyn  I'd check the physical/logical sector sizes of the device; this could be due to a translation layer (USB bridge chip?)
[19:35] <tomreyn> hmm yes maybe. feel free to drive!
[19:36] <TJ-> I'm preparing dinner... tummy takes priority :)
[19:36] <sslove> isn't it odd that the HD was not detected?
[19:37] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: do I write "/dev/sda" exactly, or replace sda with anything specific to my system?
[19:37] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: by the time you showed the lsblk output, /dev/sda was correct
[19:38] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: not sure how to [properly] text paste multiline results
[19:38] <tomreyn> ubottu told you a while ago
[19:38] <tomreyn> !paste
[19:38] <tomreyn> !pastebinit
[19:38] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: ^ read this
[19:39] <tomreyn> unfortunately, on ubuntu 19.04, pastebinit will always spit out some warnings before it prints the only relevant line, the http address
[19:39] <tomreyn> just ignore those warnings
[19:41] <Bob-Obo> sorry I can't figure that out, still too new with linux atm. Is scrnshots ok for the time being?
[19:42] <ioria> Bob-Obo, sorry, it's very easy:  e.g.  :     sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[19:43] <tomreyn> you're loosing warnings / error this way, though
[19:43] <tomreyn> sudo parted -l 2>&1 | pastebinit
[19:44] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/zmoFSRi.png
[19:45] <tomreyn> okay, no output at all, so i guess this computer can just not use this drive with its current configuration for some reason
[19:45] <deadrom> hi
[19:45] <tomreyn> let's see the parted output, though
[19:45] <Bob-Obo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R3SzDzvQMn/
[19:46] <tomreyn> hi deadrom
[19:46] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: i think this is what TJ- was hinting at  Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
[19:46] <deadrom> 18.04, Dell Precision M4800, i7quad, 32GB, just fired up VirtualBox, couple minutes later fan spins up quite notably. htop says cpu is near idle, nvidia tool says GPU is at 50° . it has two fans but I can' ttell which one is up, cpu or gpu, or why. help?
[19:47] <ioria> Bob-Obo, we can try anyways :     sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt  -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
[19:47] <deadrom> ok, sensors can actually read them, but they are both at 3300 rpm. but why.
[19:47] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: even the SSDs model name is not properly read on this computer. "TO" should be "TOSHIBA", i guess, and "Exter nal" should be "External"
[19:49] <Bob-Obo> ioria: https://i.imgur.com/bkIQfyc.png
[19:50] <ioria> Bob-Obo, ls -al /mnt
[19:50] <tomreyn> deadrom: i do not know. my personal experience is that the virtualbox packages in ubuntu 18.04 are not in the best shape, and i have decided to use virtualbox.org's instead.
[19:51] <ioria> Bob-Obo, i mean:  ls -al /mnt | pastebinit
[19:53] <Bob-Obo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8ZWQnJ4H3t/
[19:54] <ioria> Bob-Obo, ls -al "/mnt/English Movies" | pastebinit
[19:56] <sslove> i missed bob's first messages here, but he's a friend of mine so i know what's up. does this really have to be this complicated to get a new ssd detected? i suggested he put it in the laptop and boot from a live usb and see it the installer detects the internal HD (i suggested using kubuntu because i know he has a kubuntu.iso and the partition and disk tools being different may detect what his and his gf's laptop didn't)
[19:57] <Bob-Obo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/srWMdD73NH/
[19:57] <tomreyn> the issue seems to be that he has an ssd which has a broken enclosure / translation layer.
[19:57] <Bob-Obo> hey bud
[19:57] <ioria> Bob-Obo, the movies are there, no ?
[19:58] <mhzmt> hrf
[19:58] <ioria> or not ?
[19:58] <tomreyn> mhzmt: what do you mean?
[19:58] <mhzmt> Hi!
[19:59] <tomreyn> welcome to ubuntu support, mhzmt
[20:00] <Bob-Obo> ioria: yes looks like all data/files are there
[20:01] <mhzmt> Is there a way to filter /top? Sorry for offtopic
[20:03] <DouglasK> Question ... how can one disable OpenCL support on a system, or block a single application from seeing OpenCL?
[20:06] <TJ-> DouglasK: opencl is a library; you'd need to use each application's mechanism for not using it
[20:07] <DouglasK> *nods*  Thought maybe.  One of my customers had it working well, then it recently stopped with a double precision error.  I'll have them try toggling beignet's open cl strict conformance option on and off, see if either method works better.
[20:08] <DouglasK> If I see more users with the issue I'll send it up to Dev for an update.
[20:08] <DouglasK> TJ- ^^^^
[20:08] <TJ-> DouglasK: I was recently messing with the Intel support and Beigenet is strongly discouraged in favour of the latest Intel published drivers
[20:09] <DouglasK> Interesting!  This customer does have Intel graphics as shown in the application logs (AfterShot Pro)
[20:09] <DouglasK> Do you happen to have a link handy?
[20:10] <DouglasK> (if not, I'll google)
[20:10] <TJ-> DouglasK: see https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/opencl-drivers#latest_CPU_runtime
[20:10] <TJ-> DouglasK: there are two there, one for Intel HD Graphics, and one for Intel CPUs
[20:10] <sslove> tomreyn, ok so, if the problem is the enclosure, which works with other hds btw, then what about internal?
[20:10] <DouglasK> Thanks a million! I try to keep up and run Ubuntu as my primary home OS, but that has NVidia h/w.
[20:10] <DouglasK> Ok.
[20:11] <sslove> Bob-Obo, u said u first put it in ur laptop and the laptop didn't detect it internally either, right?
[20:11] <TJ-> DouglasK: I didn't have much success with it though, in that the application I was (trying to) using didn't like the Intel devices
[20:11] <CamBan69> Hmm it seems the 5.2 mainline kernel build is erroring? https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.2/
[20:12] <TJ-> sslove: Bob-Obo  do we have a make/model of this 'SSD' and what form-factor it is?
[20:12] <DouglasK> A lot of applications don't like Intel Graphics devices from what I've heard around.
[20:12] <TJ-> DouglasK: seems that way
[20:12] <DouglasK> Their OpenCL compat is wonky.  To compound matters, they require that the hardware vendor distribute the updated drivers instead of letting users download from Intel.
[20:12] <sslove> this shit shouldn't be this fucking complicated, it's a new samsung hd for fuck's sake, not some el cheapo chinese gutter bang it out hd
[20:13] <TJ-> !language | sslove
[20:14] <TJ-> sslove: form-factor and interface can make all the difference; between SATA, M2, mini-PCI-e, NVMe
[20:15] <TJ-> sslove: e.g. for the mini-PCI-e form-factor some motherboard slots only bring out USB so putting a SATA/SSD in one it won't show up. Same can apply to some combinations of M2 form-factor as well (SATA vs NVMe)
[20:16] <sslove> "including obfuscation of such", oh robot, u make me laugh
[20:17] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: sslove  if the SSD isn't seen by the operating system on this PC, the first thing I'd do is use the BIOS/firmware setup at boot-time to check the firmware can detect this SSD. If it cannot that points to a hardware issue
[20:17] <sslove> yea, i agree
[20:17] <lordcirth> There are also M.2 slots that only work with SATA M.2 SSDs and some that only work with NVMe..
[20:18] <TJ-> lordcirth: yes, that was one of the issues I was getting at
[20:18] <sslove> that's why i told him to remove all of his HDs from the computer, and set the ahci or whatever, in order to see if the laptop will properly detect the new ssd
[20:18] <tarzeau> intel produce m.2 ssds that only work with windows
[20:18] <lordcirth> tarzeau, really? What model?
[20:18]  * tarzeau looks it up
[20:19] <TJ-> tarzeau: you mean you have to drill holes through them to be able to 'see' the data ? :D
[20:19] <sslove> it's a samsung 860 evo msata
[20:19] <tarzeau> lordcirth, tj-: the 600P https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000022378/memory-and-storage.html
[20:19] <tarzeau> some friends bought a few computers and wanted linux on it. SURPRISE
[20:20] <tarzeau> TJ-: i think we threw them in a corner, and they collect dust now
[20:20] <lordcirth> tarzeau, that says it's not supported, not that it doesn't work.
[20:20] <tarzeau> it doesn't work.
[20:20] <tarzeau> linux does not see them. period.
[20:20] <tarzeau> invisble. brick.
[20:21] <sslove> yo chill out with the language-ism/language shaming, it's my dialect of english, i'm a native new yorker, don't discriminate against me for speaking new york-ese
[20:21] <tarzeau> i had to flash some intel ssds (14 of them) because otherwise they would suddenly lose data
[20:21] <lordcirth> tarzeau, is this a different version? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-600p-256gb&num=1
[20:21] <tarzeau> firmware
[20:21] <TJ-> sslove: Bob-Obo  so, what I said earlier applies: a mini-PCIe slot looks identical to mSATA but isn't
[20:22] <TJ-> sslove: Bob-Obo  what is the make/model of the PC? maybe we can check what internal connections it has
[20:23] <tarzeau> lordcirth: must be different since ours would not work
[20:23] <sslove> well, Bob-Obo , you've got 2 hd bays in ur laptop, try them both. of course, as i said, you'll need a bootable live system to have some OS to detect the ssd.
[20:23] <lordcirth> tarzeau, what kernel version were you running when you tried?
[20:23] <TJ-> sslove: Bob-Obo I would forget about an OS for now and just use the PC's firmware setup to detect the SSD
[20:24] <tarzeau> lordcirth: computer was from 2018/02, so must've been ubuntu 16.04
[20:24] <lordcirth> tarzeau, without HWE? so 4.4?
[20:24] <tarzeau> no, we tried hwe, and that didn't help either
[20:25] <tarzeau> i keep encountering all kinds of unsupported hw and we usually try all to get it running (like replacing ubuntu kernels too)
[20:26] <lordcirth> tarzeau, you said they were gathering dust? Send them to me and I'll let you know XD
[20:26] <tarzeau> lordcirth: if i knew where we put them... what country?
[20:26] <lordcirth> Canada
[20:28] <sslove> TJ-, yea ur right, checking if the bios detects it should be the first order of business
[20:28] <tarzeau> just looked the computer up, we removed it and shoved in rotating platters haha
[20:28] <ZPQ> Hello, when I do update in Ubuntu 16.04 I've got following error message when it tries to update base-files: https://pastebin.com/raw/KHM7SB6Y
 Bob-Obo, u said u first put it in ur laptop and the laptop didn't detect it internally either, right? -- correct
[20:29] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: what is the make/model of your laptop?
 sslove: Bob-Obo  do we have a make/model of this 'SSD' and what form-factor it is? -- WD Blue, 2TB, 2.5" SATA SSD.
[20:29] <tomreyn> dell latitude e7440 ^
[20:31] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: the SSd that isn't detected is a  WD Blue? sslove  mentioned a Samsung 860 EVO mSATA
[20:32] <tomreyn> ZPQ: weird error message. is there a chance you edited these files?
[20:32] <sslove> yea, and u guys wanted to know the laptop model, that i don't know, Bob-Obo?
[20:32] <ZPQ> tomreyn: no, I have not touched them
[20:33] <tomreyn> ZPQ: please post the url returned by    nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[20:33] <tomreyn> ZPQ: after this, please post the url returned by    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[20:34] <OerHeks> https://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg5615274.html
[20:34] <ZPQ> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/8xav
[20:34] <OerHeks> base files issue ^^
[20:34] <sslove> he said it was a samsung 860 evo msata that's not detected, but he just got 2 hds at once, i may have misunderstood, but i thought for sure it's the 860evo that's not being detected
[20:34] <tomreyn> OerHeks: thanks, your web search fu > mine
[20:34] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1836236
[20:35] <tomreyn> ZPQ: OerHeks was talking to you there, i think
[20:35] <TJ-> sslove: tomreyn  indicated the laptop Bob-Obo  has is Dell Lattitude E7440. This link indicates it does support mSATA and there's a photo of one installed https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-General-Read-Only/Dell-Latitude-E7440-msata-wwan-slot-for-ssd/td-p/4251916
 sslove: Bob-Obo  what is the make/model of the PC? maybe we can check what internal connections it has -- Dell Latitude E7440
[20:36] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: so now we just need to clarify which device is not working, since we've been told of two now, the WD Blue 2TB SATA 2.5", and the Samsung 860 EVO mSATA
[20:36] <tomreyn> ZPQ: you can subscribe to this bug report and thus learn when it's fixed
[20:37] <sslove> Bob-Obo, did u put it in the laptop (alone) and see if the bios detects it?
[20:37] <sslove> that's the first thing to do
 Bob-Obo: what is the make/model of your laptop? -- Sorry for the delayed responses, keep falling asleep, its 4:30am here. Trying to get this done tho. -- Dell Latitude E7440.
[20:37] <z1haze> hi, i am having trouble with getting nginx running on port 80, even though running a netstats reveals that nothing is running on port 80.. what could be the issue?
[20:37] <z1haze> https://bpaste.net/show/iNdq
[20:38] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: tiredness doesn't help in these situations; I'd strongly recommend getting some quality sleep and tackling the issue when you're fresh
 Bob-Obo: the SSd that isn't detected is a  WD Blue? -- correct
[20:38] <ZPQ> OerHeks/tomreyn: thats the same error as me
[20:39] <tomreyn> ZPQ: if you need a workaround, you can do this: sudo sed -i 's/^Automatically/# Automatically/g' /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst
[20:39] <ZPQ> OerHeks/tomreyn: so it's a bug, then I need to wait
[20:39] <tomreyn> that's your other option
[20:40] <ZPQ> tomreyn: I dont know if anything is broken yet (I have not rebooted) so a work around can be nice
[20:40] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: so the WD Blue is a 'regular' SATA 2.5" device in the "HDD" sense. If it isn't seen the first thing I'd suspect is it isn't fully inserted into the SATA connector in the laptop... I got caught out by that last week where I'd put in an SSD and whilst being carried it actually had vibrated loose. Took me a few minutes to think to open it up and check!
[20:40] <Bob-Obo> TJ-: sslove  mentioned a Samsung 860 EVO mSATA -- No that's my other one, but right now we're working on the WD Blue.
[20:40] <OerHeks> tomreyn, nice onliner, add it to the bugreport?
[20:40] <ZPQ> OerHeks/tomreyn: Thanks for your help!
[20:41] <tomreyn> OerHeks: after we know it works
[20:41] <tomreyn> ZPQ: please let us know if you used the workaround and it worked for you.
[20:41] <fullstack> Hi I am having problems with my system crashing every 24-38 hours.  I do not see anything in my syslog.  Most of the time the mouse still moves but I am unable to do anything on my desktop. How do I resolve this? thanks
[20:41] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: the other option I can think of is a BIOS/firmware setting. Some have a "RAID" or "AHCI" option for handling HDD/SSD, and it should be set to "AHCI"
 Bob-Obo: so now we just need to clarify which device is not working, since we've been told of two now, the WD Blue 2TB SATA 2.5", and the Samsung 860 EVO mSATA  ---  Both not exactly working correctly, but right now I'm just focusing on getting the WD Blue going first.
[20:41] <ZPQ> tomreyn: ok, I need to test it first
 Bob-Obo, did u put it in the laptop (alone) and see if the bios detects it?  -- Not yet.
[20:42] <TJ-> fullstack: when it happens are you able to Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get to a login console?
[20:43] <fullstack> TJ- I will try that next time. I guess that would establish that it is a display driver issue?
[20:43] <fullstack> One thing I suspect is that it over heating -- perhaps the fans are not turning on?
[20:43] <TJ-> fullstack: that or the desktop environment
[20:43] <sslove> Bob-Obo, do it now. takes seconds, and could be the answer to all ur problems with these drives. i thought only 1 was not detected, the 860evo
[20:43] <fullstack> TJ- do you have any other suggestions?
[20:43] <TJ-> fullstack: could be, yes, might be worth installing the lm-sensors package and monitoring
[20:43] <fullstack> is there a way to turn my fans on 100% via linux?
 Bob-Obo: tiredness doesn't help in these situations; I'd strongly recommend getting some quality sleep and tackling the issue when you're fresh -- Thanks but i need to get this done ASAP more than I need sleep. Its not the movies I need... I need to get this issue resolved and resume my work sooner than later.
[20:44] <fullstack> unfortunately the lm-sensors package scan does not find any devices on my computer :(
[20:44] <TJ-> fullstack: grrr :)
 Bob-Obo: so the WD Blue is a 'regular' SATA 2.5" device in the "HDD" sense. -- Correct.
[20:45] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: OK, so focus on getting the device detected by the laptop's firmware  setup. That's quick to do with repeated reboots, and doesn't need an operating system
[20:45] <tomreyn> fullstack: make sure you download sensors-detect from upstream's source code repository and use that instead of the packaged one then. you may also want to try a newer kernel image.
[20:46] <ZPQ> tomreyn: it seems to work for me now :-)  Thanks!
[20:46] <tomreyn> fullstack: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lm-sensors/lm-sensors/master/prog/detect/sensors-detect
[20:46] <tomreyn> ZPQ: thanks for reposting back.
[20:47] <Bob-Obo> TJ: "isn't fully inserted into the SATA connector in the laptop" -- its a usb external enclosure... and yes its fully inserted, already wiggled it a few times to check that.
 Bob-Obo: the other option I can think of is a BIOS/firmware setting. Some have a "RAID" or "AHCI" option for handling HDD/SSD, and it should be set to "AHCI" --- Already changed it to AHCI earlier today.
[20:48] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: external!? I thought we were dealing with the device being detected in the laptop itself
[20:49] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: if the SSD(s) are detected when in the laptop but not when in the external USB enclosure, that points to the enclosure being the problem
[20:49] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: if the SSD(s) aren't detected when in the laptop that points to a hardware problem
[20:50] <fullstack> tomreyn, I tried 4.20+ kernel from uukm, should I use 5+ ?
 Bob-Obo: external!? I thought we were dealing with the device being detected in the laptop itself --- Nope, already mentioned this several times [altho i think it was with tomreyn]. Working with WD Blue 2tb 2.5" SATA SSD, right now connected via usb enclosure.
[20:50] <fullstack> tomreyn, I will try an updated version of lm-sensors thanks
[20:51] <Bob-Obo> TJ: ok, will try it inside then reply
[20:51] <tomreyn> fullstack: a newer kernel probably only makes sense when you have very recent hardware or you know that support for your hardware was only added recently.
[20:52] <fullstack> this is recent hardware (<6 months), however it was rock solid for 3+ months until recent totally vanilla re-install
[20:52] <tomreyn> fullstack: you didnt say which ubuntu version you're running, though.    nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[20:53] <fullstack> 16.04 LTS
[20:53] <tomreyn> fullstack: well you could try the !HWE kernel then if you don't have it already, or upgrade to ubuntu 18.04
[20:54] <fullstack> Thanks, can you elaborate what you mean by !HWE kernel?
[20:54] <tomreyn> !HWE | fullstack
[20:57] <fullstack> https://termbin.com/fuxe  Also it states that HWE is already installed , is this my problem
[20:57] <TJ-> sslove: I suspect the USB enclosure may either 1) not be able to translate for large devices (some USB bridge chips have a maximum size limit)  or 2) have problems due to USB3/2 conflicts - if the laptop has USB3 and USB2 ports, try in both types
[20:59] <tomreyn> fullstack: hmm right the newest HWE images for ubuntu 16.04 provides a 4.15 kernel.  consider upgrading to 18.04.
[21:02] <TJ-> fullstack: you could also install (as a test) an Ubuntu build of the mainline kernels
[21:02] <TJ-> !mainline | fullstack
[21:03] <tomreyn> fullstack: why are you using the   idle=halt   kernel / boot parameter?
[21:05] <TJ-> probably a C2/C3 issue
[21:06] <tomreyn> the reasoning for idle=halt or the system crashes?
[21:06] <sslove> TJ-, maybe so, but i assume bob-0bo intends to use these in his computer and not as external drives. i believe he wants to install ubuntu again and then backup/restore the current /home or clone his existing system to the new HDs. personally i would fresh install and restore with aptic
[21:07] <fullstack> tomreyn, that was given to me as a solution to fix the problem
[21:07] <TJ-> sslove: the entire scenario seems confused currently
[21:07] <fullstack> tomreyn, idle=halt. obviously that isn't working. I should try removing it?
[21:07] <tomreyn> fullstack: no need to remove it, i just wanted to learn your reasoning for putting it there in the first place.
[21:07] <fullstack> So I just don't think my fans are turning on. I have installed from source lm-sensors -- should I 'apt remove' the ubuntu lm-sensors before 'make install' from sources? thanks for everyones help
[21:09] <TJ-> fullstack: this could be an ACPI issue (if the issue is the fans definitely aren't being operated when they should)
[21:09] <fullstack> yes. how would I go about debugging that?
[21:10] <TJ-> fullstack: there's a workaround you could try: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[21:12] <fullstack>  strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT is showing up at Windows 2017
[21:15] <fullstack> Does this look right (when I run your nice shell script) : Linux kernel command-line options required: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2017"
[21:15] <fullstack> the "=!" concerns me
[21:16] <tomreyn> looks fine to me. be aware you need to escape the quotes if you'll (later?) place this in /etc/default/grub
[21:16] <fullstack> ok thanks, I will try this. I bet this is my problem and my fans will turn on
[21:19] <TJ-> fullstack: that's fine :)
[21:20] <TJ-> fullstack: the =! simply tells the kernel to discard all its built-in OSI strings so only the one you set can possibly match
[21:21] <Bob-Obo> ok just installed it in secondary drive bay [internal].. was detected in folder manager immediately, but nothing happens when I click on it
[21:21] <Bob-Obo> Oh, nevermind, there we go... guess it just took a moment
[21:22] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: so, that seems to confirm the issue is the USB enclosure ?
[21:22] <fullstack> I am back. I can hear my fan. I'm thinking this is the solution.  I recentally installed a M.2 PCI NVMe drive and I think it is just getting hot and for whatever reason the fans were disabled
[21:22] <TJ-> fullstack: acpi_osi= has helped?
[21:22] <Bob-Obo> TJ: no, because it works fine on gf's computer.
[21:23] <fullstack> TJ-, Yes I ran your script and hear the fan
[21:23] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: right, but it doesn't work on THIS PC, so there IS a problem with the USB part
[21:23] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: whilst you were away I said to sslove ...
[21:23] <TJ-> sslove: I suspect the USB enclosure may either 1) not be able to translate for large devices (some USB bridge chips have a maximum size limit)  or 2) have problems due to USB3/2 conflicts - if the laptop has USB3 and USB2 ports, try in both types
[21:23] <Bob-Obo> TJ: ok, yes.
[21:23] <fullstack> TJ-, thank you for your site and script. Hopefully this is it. I guess I'll know in 24-48 hours if I get a freeze/lockup.
[21:24] <Bob-Obo> TJ: sounds like thats the issue
[21:24] <TJ-> Bob-Obo: if you can try the USB enclosure in different USB ports on the laptop
[21:25] <Bob-Obo> TJ: yes already did all of them
[21:25] <sslove> ok Bob-Obo , so, the WD is detected when internal, now how about the samsung ssd?
[21:26] <fullstack> I wonder if something new in an update in Ubuntu screwed up ACPI in general and other people will have issues
[21:28] <TJ-> fullstack: generally when there seems to be a regression in ACPI behaviour it is, in fact, due to the opposite issue - the kernel dev's continuously tighten up the ACPI implementation to match the specifications... and as they do it reveals bugs in the ACPI code in motherboard firmware!
[21:29] <fullstack> TJ- that's probably true. I am greatful you spent time researching this and for your understanding.
[22:33] <Void_Sentient> http://home.exetel.com.au/heynow/review-of-usb-wifi-adapters.php At the end of this page is the driver I attepted to install
[22:33] <Void_Sentient> This is the log for sudo make after cd rtl8821CU
[22:33] <Void_Sentient> https://pastebin.com/BK3Fmxdx
[22:33] <Void_Sentient> Trying to install drivers for RTL8811CU USB wifi card
[22:39] <CatPasswd> Void_Sentient: chown -R root:root /home/void/*
[22:40] <CatPasswd> Or whichever user you're trying to compile as
[22:40] <pragmaticenigma> CatPasswd: great way to lock someone out of their user account... let's not recommend that
[22:40] <CatPasswd> :P)
[22:44] <Void_Sentient> Yeah.. Luckily Im not completely new to Linux or else I may be screwed. Except I know root password since I installed this.
[22:52] <intok-work> Haven't had much time to fix this on the spare laptop in a while now, but don't want to dump the install if I don't have to.
[22:52] <intok-work> An update a while back resulted in the system dropping to initramfs instead of asking for the decryption password. I can boot from a USB stick and can decrypt the hard drive and access everything from there.
[22:52] <intok-work> After a lengthy brain storm on IRC with some guys in the Ubuntu room they suggested that it was a setup issue, but I had to leave for work and never got it figured out what is messed up in the setup files so that I can boot normally.
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> Void_Sentient: If I had to make an educated guess... the source has some mistakes in it, and you might have to reach out to where you found that source code to see if they can help
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> Void_Sentient: I'd also guess that cat wasn't too far off, changing the ownership (or at least the group/everyone permissions) of the source files might help get past the permissions issue.
[23:11] <sarnold> far better to never use sudo when working on files in your own home directory
[23:16] <pl44c> alright so I reset the password for someone's laptop by chrooting into it and using passwd
[23:17] <pl44c> now kwallet gets a read error and they cannot connect to the internet
[23:17] <pl44c> how do I fix kwallet and how am I supposed to reset the password in the future to prevent this?
[23:19] <pragmaticenigma> without knowing the original password, kwallet isn't going to unlock it's secrets
[23:20] <pl44c> ah so if they forget the original password kwallet just won't work?
[23:20] <pl44c> so I have to delete the database of the saved passwords
[23:20] <pl44c> for wireless networks
[23:21] <pl44c> is there a way to configure kwallet to not encrypt things so that in a future senario like this they don't lose the saved passwords?
[23:21] <pragmaticenigma> If kwallet automatically unlocked when they logged inbefore, the hash used to encrypt the file is based on the original password. If they setup a wallet on their own, that would be based on whatever they set the password to be originally
[23:22] <pragmaticenigma> the purpose of kwallet is to be a secure enclave to store sensitive information. It would be wise for the user to choose a password they can remember and/or writting down the password and placing it in a safe location away from the computer
[23:23] <pl44c> or on the laptop bezel like it was on their old one :p, securing this user from much isn't much use
[23:24] <pl44c> anyway thanks for the hit leading me to the obvious that kwallet encrypted the passes with the old pass no one knows pragmaticenigma
[23:24] <pl44c> *hint
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> pl44c: if that's the case, I'd be looking into something like yubi-keys for authentication. I think a system can be setup to not need the password if the yubi-key like device is used to authenticate
[23:26] <pragmaticenigma> or at least if they write down the password on the machine, without having the yubi-key with them, the password is useless
[23:26] <pl44c> pragmaticenigma: this user is very tech illiterate and gets confused on concepts such as devices storing data and then plugging them into another computer allows that computer to read data from it
[23:26] <pl44c> I don't think it's much use unless I instruct them on how computers work from first principals
[23:27] <pragmaticenigma> the yubi-key concept is rather simple... they plug it in like a key to the USB port. and push one button
[23:29] <pl44c> pragmaticenigma: then they lose said device :p
[23:57] <intok-work> Ubuntu 18.10.  An update a while back resulted in the system dropping to initramfs instead of asking for the decryption password. I can boot from a USB stick and can decrypt the hard drive and access everything from there. After a lengthy brain storm on IRC with some guys in the Ubuntu room they suggested that it was a setup issue, but I had to leave for work and never got it figured out what is messed up in the setup files so that I can
[23:57] <sarnold> intok-work: irc has line length limits. it looks like you were cut off at "so that I can"
[23:58] <intok-work> sarnold boot normally
[23:59] <sarnold> intok-work: I don't know much about that end of the distro but double-check plymouth is installed, I think you'll need that.. and maybe rebuild initramfs?