[06:10] <didrocks> good morning
[06:10]  * tsimonq2 waves to didrocks 
[06:12] <didrocks> hey tsimonq2
[06:12] <duflu> Hi didrocks and tsimonq2
[06:12] <duflu> biab
[06:12] <didrocks> afternoon duflu
[06:13] <tsimonq2> didrocks: I hope it's a bit cooler around there? :)
[06:14] <tsimonq2> Close to 30 around here outside.
[06:23] <didrocks> tsimonq2: oh yeah, it is, thanks! It's only 29-31°C outside for the peek, but at night, we have 18-19°C, which helps cooling down ;)
[06:23] <tsimonq2> didrocks: That's about what we're at right now :)
[06:24] <didrocks> yeah, really nice weather at that temperature :)
[06:27] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Friday!
[06:30] <Wimpress> o/
[06:30] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hello Wimpress
[06:32] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress
[06:33] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:19] <seb128> hey there, happy friday desktopers!
[07:20] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:20] <duflu> How goes?
[07:20] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:20] <seb128> good mostly, but day is only starting that launchpad is already timeouting :/
[07:20] <duflu> I'm slightly unwell, but for the moment not too unwell to log off
[07:20] <duflu> Yes it's better in my morning
[07:20] <duflu> usually
[07:24] <seb128> those a frequent enough that it starts being really irritating the work with launchad
[07:24] <seb128> launchpad
[07:24] <seb128> worked now...
[07:24] <duflu> The weirdest part is that it times out before the human using it thinks it's taking too long
[07:24] <duflu> So the timeout is too short
[07:25] <didrocks> hey seb128, happy friday
[07:25] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[07:25] <didrocks> ça va, c'est vendredi :)
[07:26] <didrocks> et toi, à part launchpad ?
[07:27] <seb128> ça va :)
[07:28] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 , hey duflu
[07:28] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[07:28] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[07:28] <oSoMoN> oui, la forme!
[07:30] <amurray> seb128: how accurate are richard hughes comments in https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/O4CMUKPHMMJ5W7OPZN2E7BYTVZWCRQHU/ - basically I want to try and make sure we still offer fwupd support out-of-the-box going forward
[07:31] <seb128> hey amurray
[07:32] <seb128> amurray, he's exagerating the snap problems I think
[07:32] <seb128> amurray, we don't plan to move away from fwupd don't worry
[07:33] <amurray> hey seb128 - cool - I notice he said we plan to drop gnome-software in favour of snap-store but that snap-store doesn't support fwupd (or at least that was my interpretation)
[07:33] <seb128> he's right that if we move away from using gnome-software we loose that frontend to it but that part would be easy to replace
[07:34] <amurray> ok so as long as we replace it at the same time as we drop it then I am fine :)
[07:36] <duflu> I'm not convinced Gnome Software was ever a good place for fwupd things in the first place. Maybe. Kind of.
[07:38] <duflu> If someone was new to Linux they wouldn't go looking in anything resembling an app store for firmware updates
[07:38] <duflu> It's just a convenient way to implement it
[07:39] <seb128> right
[07:44] <marcustomlinson> morning didrocks tsimonq2 duflu Wimpress oSoMoN seb128
[07:44] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:45] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[07:45] <tsimonq2> Hey marcustomlinson
[07:46] <marcustomlinson> seb128: hey, bit tired :P happy it's Friday :)
[07:46] <marcustomlinson> you?
[07:48] <duflu> Trevinho, you've got an MR(s) that are linking to the wrong MR number (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/681)
[07:48] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 681 in mutter "Clarify that `clutter_actor_is_visible` doesn't always mean *is visible*." [Opened]
[07:49] <duflu> oops
[07:49] <duflu> Trevinho, you've got a commit(s) that is linking to the wrong MR number (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/681)
[07:49] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 681 in mutter "Clarify that `clutter_actor_is_visible` doesn't always mean *is visible*." [Opened]
[07:50] <seb128> marcustomlinson, same, weekend is going to be welcome!
[07:50] <Trevinho> duflu: oh thanks..
[07:50] <Trevinho> MORNING also...
[07:50] <duflu> Morning Trevinho
[07:50] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[07:50] <marcustomlinson> hey Trevinho
[07:50] <amurray> duflu: yeah I agree - esp since we don't use the 'updates' part of gnome-software for deb related updates - was always a bit lonely having just firmware updates there (since they are generally pretty rare) - would be good to have all updates in 1 place (debs/firmware/etc)
[07:54] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson, tsimonq2, Trevinho
[07:55] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[08:00] <tsimonq2> o/ oSoMoN
[08:01] <willcooke> le yawn.  Morning all
[08:01] <Laney> morning
[08:01] <willcooke> hi Laney
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> hey willcooke and Laney
[08:04] <willcooke> hi marcustomlinson
[08:05] <marcustomlinson> le yawn aussi
[08:08] <Laney> moin willcooke marcustomlinson
[08:10] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:10] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:11] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:11] <seb128> (brb, changing location)
[08:12] <Laney> hi didrocks & se TAB TAB TABTABTABTABTBAB FAIL
[08:15] <marcustomlinson> willcooke: https://i.imgur.com/aUhOj95.jpg
[08:16] <willcooke> :)
[08:16] <willcooke> In plant news now, I forgot to water my peace lilly and it was looking pretty sad.  Watered it this morning and it's back to normal already
[08:17] <duflu> Morning willcooke and Laney
[08:17] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:17] <duflu> 🕊
[08:18] <Laney> hi didrocks
[08:18] <Laney> yeah I just water the peace lily when it droops a lot
[08:18] <Laney> it's kind of it to let you know so openly
[08:18] <willcooke> :)
[13:22] <Laney> Trevinho: no other changes in mutter than the 2 bugs listed?
[13:22] <Laney> (checking we don't need another bug)
[14:35] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, have you had a chance to test the chromium snap in the candidate channel wrt bug #1821765 ?
[14:36] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: actually chromium doesn't display an icon there for me anymore
[14:36] <kenvandine> so i haven't seen the issue in a while
[14:36] <kenvandine> maybe i have removed something
[14:37] <oSoMoN> darn… and I've never managed to get the icon there myself, so I can't confirm the fix is correct :/
[14:37] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: ah, installing the hangouts extension triggered it
[14:37] <kenvandine> and yes... it fixed it :)
[14:37] <oSoMoN> \o/
[14:37] <kenvandine> install the hangouts extension :)
[14:37] <oSoMoN> doing now
[14:37] <oSoMoN> thanks for the confirmation
[14:47] <oSoMoN> yep, confirmed that with the hangouts extension and the snap in stable, the icon isn't there, and with the update in candidate it is
[14:47] <oSoMoN> I'll do some more smoke testing and will promote to stable if everything goes well
[14:50] <Laney> kenvandine: just saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1828500 fyi
[14:51] <kenvandine> Laney: yeah, i asked chipaca to set it to livecd-rootfs
[14:51] <kenvandine> the daily isos are broken as well
[14:51] <kenvandine> and the 1805 and 1806 hwe isos
[14:57] <Laney> ok
[15:39] <Trevinho> Laney: other few changes were mostly cleanups...
[15:40] <Laney> it's cool, I just renamed the old bug
[16:59] <Laney> kenvandine: ok, checked eoan (and bionic, the same in this respect) dailies: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w47zMwcVnk/ - core18 is there
[16:59] <Laney> BUT snaps seem broken
[16:59] <Laney> Jul 12 16:54:42 ubuntu snapd[989]: stateengine.go:102: state ensure error: devicemgr: cannot proceed without seeding "core"
[17:00] <kenvandine> we couldn't find anything in livecd-rootfs that is added core18
[17:00] <kenvandine> and we have images that didn't have core18
[17:00] <kenvandine> livecd-rootfs is also seeding snapd instead of core
[17:00] <kenvandine> which is a problem
[17:01] <Laney> it's there, you can see it in that seed.yaml I just pastebinned
[17:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:03] <kenvandine> ok
[17:03] <kenvandine> so maybe that was a problem only in the bionic based images
[17:04] <Laney> same there afaics
[17:04] <Laney> but snaps are broken due to this missing core thing
[17:05] <kenvandine> mvo has a livecd-rootfs PR that will prevent the missing core18 snap problem
[17:05] <kenvandine> our released 18.04.2 iso is fine
[17:05] <kenvandine> but images built based on bionic since then are missing core18
[17:05] <kenvandine> like the OEM isos
[17:05] <kenvandine> and hyperv images
[17:06] <kenvandine> 1805 ad 1806 isos are broken, from what i've been told
[17:06] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/370065
[17:06] <kenvandine> should be very good to have
[17:07] <willcooke> Does that mean we need core *and* core18?
[17:08] <Laney> ok, sorry to be annoying here but this is a pastebin from the /pending bionic iso: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DkG24WdsVJ/
[17:08] <kenvandine> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/functions?h=ubuntu/eoan#n434
[17:09] <kenvandine> that does not match what others are saying...
[17:09] <kenvandine> although it is broken
[17:09] <kenvandine> that seed.yaml won't work
[17:09] <kenvandine> as it has snapd not core
[17:09] <kenvandine> but it does have core18
[17:09] <kenvandine> and he errors reported on the 18.04 images are missing core18
[17:09] <kenvandine> Laney: this is good info!
[17:10] <Laney> sure, I can see that it doesn't work,a nd it is quite clear about why: "cannot proceed without seeding "core""
[17:10] <Laney> I'm mainly saying that your MPs aren't going to fix it :P
[17:10] <willcooke> :()
[17:10] <willcooke> :)
[17:11] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/427662367/livecd-rootfs_2.525.26_2.525.27.diff.gz <- that's the livecd-rootfs SRU that went into bionic-updates
[17:11] <Laney> I simply don't know myself if that is wrong but it looks to be what made these changes happen
[17:12] <kenvandine> so maybe the missing core18 is only on the hyperv case
[17:12] <kenvandine> but Chipaca said OEM reported the same thing, but I can't actually find any reference to that
[17:12] <Laney> sucks
[17:13] <Laney> it'd be cool if this code printed more things when it was doing stuff
[17:13] <kenvandine> yeah, see there if core isn't seeded it adds snapd
[17:14] <Laney> do you just always need core?
[17:14] <kenvandine> yes
[17:14] <kenvandine> for now
[17:14] <kenvandine> eventually snapd can be used for core18 snaps without core
[17:14] <kenvandine> but apparently that doesn't work yet
[17:15] <Laney> nod
[17:15] <Laney> this sounds like the bit that needs to have the fix then
[17:16] <kenvandine> yes
[17:16] <Laney> ok, glad to have got that far at least :)
[17:16] <Laney> can help review stuff Monday morning if you get anything done
[17:16] <Laney> (also, need more QA at various points)
[17:16] <Laney> CI
[17:17] <Laney> + /
[17:17]  * Laney waves, happy weekend
[17:23] <oSoMoN> enjoy Laney!
[17:26] <kenvandine> have a great weekend Laney!
[17:30] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[17:30] <willcooke> have a good one
[18:31] <willcooke> night all