[01:14] <chealer> valorie: 19.04
[01:29] <valorie> hmmm, that's recent enough
[01:29] <valorie> do you run backports?
[01:29] <valorie> I do, to have the latest
[01:29] <valorie> !backports
[01:30] <valorie> applications, plasma, and the frameworks
[03:05] <chealer> valorie: no. though in fact I don't remember Plasma crashing before today. the taskbar bug with Firefox I had already seen though.
[03:05] <valorie> I had too many problems with FF after using it for so many years
[03:05] <valorie> now I use Falkon
[03:10] <chealer> valorie: I'm far from satisfied by Mozilla and eventually tried Chrome instead of Firefox, but it has its fair share of issues too. I mostly still haven't migrated from Firefox for personal use in the end.
[03:11] <valorie> I used both chrome and chromium and brave
[03:11] <chealer> I've been out of the loop for a long time but I must say I never heard of Falkon. didn't think Konqueror had competition.
[03:12] <valorie> konq was the best for so long
[03:12] <valorie> before Falkon joined KDE, it was called qupzilla
[03:12] <valorie> it was decent but not a winner
[03:12] <valorie> now very good
[03:14] <chealer> valorie: thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'll stick to Firefox. In fact, I migrated to Kubuntu from Debian hoping to waste less time on problems, as I thought no one used KDE on Debian. the strategy is to stick to popular software when possible... although I've got quite a few issues with Kubuntu so far too :-/
[03:15] <chealer> valorie: thanks, I read that, yes. that would still be switching for a browser at least 100 times less tested :-)
[03:16] <valorie> I get it.....
[03:16] <chealer> I used Konqueror for at least 1 year but went back to Firefox because it was getting just too much behind, even though I appreciate better KDE integration.
[03:16] <valorie> everyone should use the tools that they find effective IMO
[03:16] <valorie> konq is just too old, agreed
[03:17] <chealer> valorie: anyway, I wasn't saying Firefox is really responsible for the bug. I'm guessing (based on very limited understanding) this is more of a Plasma bug exposed by something I'm doing with Firefox.
[03:17] <valorie> we work with the Debian KDE team, but they don't take our team uploads
[03:17] <valorie> so we end up being ahead of them
[03:17] <valorie> it's possible
[03:17] <valorie> dunno
[03:17] <valorie> plasma team might know more
[03:17] <chealer> valorie: hehe. so you're a developer?
[03:18] <chealer> (I mean, a Kubuntu developer)
[03:18] <valorie> and they have been working to make plasma play nice with *all* browsers
[03:18] <valorie> well, I'm on the team
[03:18] <valorie> I'm not a coder/packager
[03:18] <valorie> I'm on the Council
[03:19] <imac_> Told you valorie rocks :)
[03:19] <chealer> valorie: cool, thank you. is pusling still on the Debian side?
[03:19] <valorie> ha
[03:20] <valorie> he is
[03:20] <valorie> although he just got married and bought a house
[03:20] <valorie> so I imagine less involved than he used to be
[03:26] <chealer> oh, wow, you're well informed. so yeah, with regards to backports, again, my current goal is to stick to the most popular and tested to minimize bugs (or regressions), and hit bugs others already had to find workarounds for. I used to run Debian testing and hoped I would hit less bugs with it, but 15 years later I'm no longer sure that bleeding edge means much more stable (if any) :-)
[03:26] <valorie> of course
[03:27] <valorie> the reason I have no problems with backports is that it is a PPA, it is tested before release, and there is PPA-purge
[03:27] <valorie> I've never had to purge backports, but it is useful for other nasty PPAs
[03:27] <valorie> !ppapurge
[03:29] <chealer> but yeah, on the other hand, maybe I'm asking about an issue already resolved :-S By the way valorie, this may be more of a request than advice, but we'll read you faster if you highlight the persons you reply to.
[03:30] <chealer> thanks again, rebooting to Debian
[03:30] <valorie> I do that if we're not in active conversation
[03:30] <chealer> good night
[03:30] <valorie> thanks
[03:30] <valorie> niters
[03:40] <chealer> ah, to answer my own question, there's no KDE module which maps locales to time formats. Qt does (Qt core's QLocale).
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