[00:04] <guiverc> does KDE/Qt have a fonts viewer; if so what's it called please.. (want to avoid using gnome-font-viewer; if you don't know of the top of your head please don't search - I'll find it eventually)
[00:25] <wxl> guiverc: good question. 'd like to know the answer if you find it. might check at #kubuntu too
[00:35] <guiverc> :)  thanks wxl, will do.
[18:32] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158243/how-to-fix-duplicate-wireless-taskbar-display
[18:32]  * sappheiros will be back after putting laundry in drier.
[18:33] <wxl> yeah
[18:33] <wxl> so you're not running two copies of the applet are you?
[18:44] <sappheiros> Do you know how to solve the duplicate wireless taskbar icon/panel issue at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158243/how-to-fix-duplicate-wireless-taskbar-display?
[18:46] <wxl> so you're not running two copies of the applet are you?
[18:47] <sappheiros> i don't know.
[18:47] <sappheiros> it might be two copies of the applet as both respond the same to clicks
[18:48] <wxl> so check and see.........
[18:48] <sappheiros> right clicking applet settings shows only checkboxes for indicator applications and sound menu
[18:48] <sappheiros> (both checked)
[18:49] <sappheiros> nothing apparently relevant in the add/remove panel items menu
[18:49] <sappheiros> i mean panel settings aka panel preferences
[18:49] <sappheiros> i don't see any GUI that will show me whether there are two network applets running
[18:49] <wxl> `pgrep nm-applet`
[18:49] <wxl> :
[18:49] <wxl> i mean you could use any task manager, too
[18:50] <sappheiros> pgrep nm-applet returns "829"
[18:50] <wxl> ok so that's just one, not two
[18:50] <wxl> so it's not that
[18:50] <sappheiros> coooool ctrl+alt+del opens task manager
[18:51] <sappheiros> which does show only one nm-applet
[18:51] <sappheiros> nm-applet = Network Manager applet? (i suppose so)
[18:51] <wxl> if you right click on both of the applets, what's the top selection of the menu?
[18:52] <sappheiros> oh, interesting -- so, right-clicking left 4-bars icon shows list of network connections, whereas right-clicking right 4-bars icon shows "Indicator applet" Settings and other panel-type menu items
[18:52] <sappheiros> so they're not identical
[18:52] <wxl> yuup
[18:52] <wxl> the first one is nm-applet
[18:52] <sappheiros> am i supposed to have two 4-bars icons?
[18:53] <sappheiros> the one that right-clicking shows only network connections is the nm-applet? what is the right-one called?
[18:53] <wxl> indicator applet
[18:53] <wxl> it does a bunch of things like sound and such
[18:54] <wxl> it's another one fo the annoying aspects of lxde
[18:54] <sappheiros> ohh so the indicator applet -- i would like some dividing bar or something to indicate visually the taskbar is showing me different applets
[18:54] <sappheiros> ah
[18:54] <sappheiros> so then basically it's normal behavior, "a feature not a bug"?
[18:54]  * wxl shrugs
[18:54] <wxl> i guess
[18:55] <wxl> theoretically lxde does not inheriently come with networkmanager, so some folks might just rely on the indicator applet
[18:55] <wxl> of course the indicator applet is a little limited, so...
[18:55] <wxl> in an ideal world, the indicator applet would let you limit the network bit, but it doesn't.
[18:56] <wxl> it DOES separate "indicator applications" and "sound menu" so you could just uncheck the first one and hope you have nothing else that needs it
[18:57] <sappheiros> what do you mean by "limit the network bit"?
[18:57] <sappheiros> you mean 'hide from taskbar'?
[18:58] <wxl> the networking indicator is one of many "indicator applications." it would be nice if the settings limited JUST that aspect rather than lumping it all together
[18:58] <wxl> of course maybe that's asking a lot
[19:03] <wxl> sappheiros: no such problem in 19.04 XD
[19:08] <sappheiros> yeah, i didn't have a problem with 18.10 either
[19:08] <sappheiros> good news is i may have a new 64-bit laptop in 3 months or sooner
[19:09] <sappheiros> does lubuntu work with touchscreens? is there OneNote-equivalent handwriting note software?
[19:10] <wxl> touchscreens: yep. i've got one.
[19:11] <wxl> onenote: dunno.
[19:14] <lynorian> I don't know about the touchscreen or stuff hadwriting stuff my writing sucks a ton
[19:14] <sappheiros> i'm thinking to dual-boot windows 10 for onenote and lubuntu ... 18.04 >_>
[19:15] <sappheiros> i mean, i don't really have time to troubleshoot when at work, and i'm nervous to reinstall the latest OS lest the hard drive (windows part) gets corrupted
[19:15] <wxl> you can always grab a windows 10 iso
[19:16] <wxl> and you can run it without the authorization code or whatever
[19:16] <wxl> they actually stopped disabling the vast majority of the functional bit
[19:16] <sappheiros> how safe is it to update/reinstall linux partition of dualboot?
[19:17] <sappheiros> i.e. to use each latest lubuntu version
[19:17] <wxl> destructively changing information on your drive should never be considered "safe," i.e. you should be backing up if youre really worried
[19:18] <sappheiros> oh, yeah.
[19:18] <wxl> that said, you should have no problem except for the fact that the upgrade between lxde and lxqt is a little funky. a new install would be better
[19:18] <sappheiros> yeah did that already
[19:18] <sappheiros> well, though i had replaced 18.04 with 18.10
[20:59] <melodie> hello!
[21:00] <lynorian> hello
[21:00] <melodie> hi lynorian
[21:00] <lynorian> anything I can do myself
[21:00] <lynorian> to help
[21:00] <melodie> I am also coming to say hi to Kamilion : how are you?
[21:01] <melodie> lynorian maybe, never know (around tech it's all good for now)
[21:01] <Kamilion> Fine. Yourself?
[21:01] <melodie> well, thanks
[21:01] <melodie> hot here, perhaps not as hot as at your place
[21:01] <melodie> is it ok to chit chat here?
[21:02] <melodie> maybe better to do so in a social area?
[21:02] <lynorian> -offtopic is probably the best place to chat
[21:02] <melodie> thanks lynorian
[21:02] <melodie> I'm at #lubuntu-offtopic now, thanks
[21:31] <Kapiton> Hi guys! Which network manager do you recommend to use in 19.04 that supports importing VPN config by file, as in 16.04?
[22:28] <cfoch> hi
[22:28] <sappheiros> hello cfoch
[22:28] <sappheiros> !ask
[22:28] <cfoch> Would you recommend Lubuntu for a Pentium 4 with 1 GB of RAM ?
[22:28] <sappheiros> >_>
[22:28] <sappheiros> <_<
[22:29] <sappheiros> cfoch: 32-bit is finished with 18.04
[22:29] <sappheiros> which is supported until around april 2021
[22:29] <sappheiros> i.e. after around April 2021 you'll be 'cut loose' until you get a 64-bit machine if you want tech support
[22:29] <cfoch> isn't there Lubuntu for 19.04?
[22:29] <sappheiros> that is, yes, i would recommend it
[22:30] <sappheiros> cfoch: i think Pentium 4 is a 32-bit processor
[22:30] <sappheiros> if it's 64-bit, then you can use 19.04 yes
[22:30] <cfoch> 32 bits
[22:30] <sappheiros> if you want lubuntu tech support, your options are 18.04 until some time in 2021, or to get a 64-bit machine for later releases
[22:32] <sappheiros> cfoch: i like 18.04 LTS on my 32-bit dell latitude d620
[22:33] <cfoch> I guess my father will not want to change his computer if it still "works". So I guess that in 2021 I could install another OS. So I guess Lubuntu 18.04 is okay
[22:33] <cfoch> Does it come with LxQT?
[22:33] <sappheiros> no
[22:33] <sappheiros> 18.10 onward is lxqt
[22:33] <sappheiros> 18.04 is lxde
[22:34] <sappheiros> just keep in mind after tech support ends security hazards could open up, and the solution to those security hazards would be 'update your software', which would mean 'change the OS' after 18.04 support ends
[22:34] <sappheiros> but that's 2021 or beyond
[22:35] <sappheiros> Dale Carnegie wisely recommends not to worry about problems that don't exist yet. >_>
[22:35] <sappheiros> so yeah give lubuntu 18.04 a try if it's a 32-bit CPU
[22:48] <cfoch> another problem I have is that this computer has no DVD drive but a CD drive
[22:48] <cfoch> also IIRC it cannot boot from USB
[22:49] <cfoch> is there an alternate image that fits into a CD?
[22:53] <lynorian> cfoch: for 32 bit there was but those stopped after 18.04
[22:54] <lynorian> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/
[22:57] <cfoch> does http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-amd64.iso fit into a CD?
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