[00:06] <Guest77239> There are tons of things in that recent update. I'm not even sure what to look at.
[00:09] <Guest77239> I don't see anything that gnupg depends on in that file though.
[00:10] <Guest77239> greps for "gnu" "gpg" and "dirmngr" didn't find anything.
[00:12] <OerHeks> what is wrong with your system, is it mounted RO?
[00:16] <Guest77239> As far as I know nothing else is wrong with my system. I am able to write to disk.
[00:23] <TJ-> Guest77239: does "gpgp --list-secret-keys" report all you'd expect?
[00:23] <TJ-> Guest77239: oops, "gpg" not gpgp"
[00:26] <Guest77239> TJ-: no, it doesn't. It doesn't print anything and exits with a status code of 127.
[00:28] <TJ-> Guest77239: there's your problem then; time to pull out your key backups
[00:29] <TJ-> Guest77239: you might get some clue as to the cause of the error code with strace
[00:29] <Guest77239> TJ-: well I see the key files in ~/.gnupg.
[00:30] <Guest77239> It appears as if everything on disk is fine.
[00:30] <TJ-> Guest77239: that doesn't mean the contents aren't corrupted
[00:30] <Guest77239> That's true. Let me diff them against my backups
[00:30] <TJ-> Guest77239: as I said, strace may give useful clues
[00:40] <Guest77239> What should I be looking for in the strace output?
[00:41] <Guest77239> I see it accessing some of the files I would expect it to access.
[00:42] <Guest77239> pubring.gpg, pubring.kbx, secring.gpg, trustdb.gpg...
[00:45] <Teodoro777> Black screen if I end a session and reopen it (via gdm) with the hdmi cable and then an external monitor connected.  The screen remains black and I am forced to open another terminal and reboot.  All this does not occur if I use Wayland instead of xorg, where everything works properly.  How can I find the culprit?  What records should I investigate?  So maybe I can create an issue.  I'm on Ubuntu 19.04 and I use the gdm
[00:45] <Teodoro777> and gnome standards.
[00:56] <Guest77239> TJ-: I ended up just re-importing everything from my backup. Disturbing not knowing what happened to the keys, but something must have corrupted them. After importing files from my backup everything works fine.
[01:09] <swills> does Linux have anything like the lockf(1) command?
[01:10] <swills> https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=lockf&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+12.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html for those who aren't familiar
[01:25] <swills> oh, i guess flock(1)
[01:36] <Gallomimia> gonna rename my system to "griefer" soon...
[01:47] <Sven_vB> "root@ubuntu:~# file --brief /dev/mmcblk2 && echo kill MBR >/dev/mmcblk2¶ block special (179/24)¶ bash: /dev/mmcblk2: Read-only file system" <- Why? File systems shouldn't be relevant when I write directly to a block device. The web tells me how to unlock SD cards but this is a MicroSD card, I can't find a physical toggle on it.
[01:48] <Sven_vB> also there's no SD adapter involved. the drive accepts microSD only.
[01:52] <Sven_vB> the error persists even after hdparm -r0, even though hdparm -r now shows readonly = 0 (off)
[01:56] <tiox> I have a really strange question, and it pertains to Secure Boot.
[01:56] <tiox> How does Ubuntu handle it?
[01:56] <abbie> communist punch
[01:56] <abbie> just like any other linux branch
[01:57] <tiox> Funny. But I actually would like to understand.
[01:57] <abbie> its not the eighties
[01:58] <abbie> technology has gone a long way
[01:58] <abbie> buy me cheesesticks later
[01:59] <tiox> Right. Let me actually explain the problem I am having. IN most Ubuntu installations some key files from Canonical is usually provided for an EFI installation to be functional and not invoke a Secure Boot violation, yes?
[01:59] <Sven_vB> the microSD problem seems to be with the drive. using another drive, I was able to write to the card.
[01:59] <tiox> Except, System76 are a bunch of idiots who didn't implement this means fo making Secure Boot viable, and it requires Secure Boot to be turned off in order to use the system.
[01:59] <abbie> the only problem you are having is the plug
[02:00] <abbie> up there
[02:00] <tiox> So this brings me to an impasse where I need to fiddle with my BIOS in order to boot into Pop!_OS which uses Ubuntu's stuff as a base.
[02:01] <tiox> Everybody else is saying that it's impossible for me to resolve this. I think not; if Canonical can figure it out, why can't I make Secure Boot work in anything else that uses Ubuntu's stuff?
[02:01] <Sven_vB> tiox, maybe you could use another computer to sign the EFI whatever yourself, and then tell the BIOS to trust that signature?
[02:02] <Sven_vB> tiox, if Canonical's key would be accepted, it would probably be because the BIOS shipped with it trusted.
[02:02] <tiox> How can i "Sign" the EFI after installation then?
[02:02] <Sven_vB> the secure boot bioses I've seen so far defaulted to only trust microsoft.
[02:03] <tiox> BTW totally me being lazy and not using Google, but also I don't even know where to begin.
[02:04] <Sven_vB> first try whether you really have to. in one of my EFI config utilities (I learned it's not a BIOS), I could just select EFI options and mark them as trusted, as long as the BIOS had an admin password configured.
[02:11] <Sven_vB> so I tried to see in lshw what kind of microSD drive I have, whether I need a better driver, but all it shows is "product: xHCI Host Controller" / "vendor: Linux 4.15.0-29-generic xhci-hcd"
[02:11] <Sven_vB> using a bionic live session
[02:11] <Sven_vB> I'll try with windows to see whether it's a hardware problem.
[02:13] <Sven_vB> actually I could try installing Ubuntu via my USB card reader, and use that ubuntu from a read-only drive. I'd just need to boot it from the USB card reader for updates or config changes.
[02:58] <ChiLLabiS> Hi Where are you from Sven_vB ?
[02:59] <ChiLLabiS> Just curious
[02:59] <Sven_vB> let's query as it's off-topic here.
[03:18] <barrister> Good evening everyone.
[03:23] <kinghat> whats that app that is like windirstat where it breaks down dirs graphically and by heatmap?
[03:26] <magic_ninja_work> qdirstat
[03:27] <kinghat> ahh yisss
[03:27] <kinghat> tyvm
[03:29] <kinghat> repo version is pretty old
[03:32] <magic_ninja_work> kinghat, is there some reason you need a newer one? dirstat is dirstat
[03:34] <kinghat> i need that new new
[03:37] <Bashing-om> kinghat: new new == eoan (misc): graphical disk usage display with cleanup facilities [universe] ; 3.1.3-1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el s390x .
[03:37] <Bashing-om> !info dirstat disco
[03:38] <kinghat> qdirstat
[03:38] <kinghat> it couldnt resolve the deps so it wont work anyways
[03:40] <Bashing-om> kinghat: ^^ wrong paste anyways - https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/qdirstat .
[03:43] <kinghat> Bashing-om: ya i tried to install it and it said it "couldnt resolve the dependencies."
[03:44] <ChiLLabiS> .
[03:45] <Bashing-om> kinghat: What release are you working .. and if dependencies can not be reolved when strickly working the offical repo then a bug report is warrented.
[03:46] <kinghat> im on beaver
[03:47] <kinghat> 1.5.91 deb is what i tried
[03:47] <kinghat> qdirstat_1.5.90-1_amd64.deb
[03:49] <Bashing-om> kinghat: That is a 19.10 package ,, sure to break libc6 - Ouch !
[03:49] <kinghat> Bashing-om: its no biggie. unless im doing something silly wrong. ive already installed the version from repo.
[03:50] <Bashing-om> kinghat: :) ,, repo version " Version: 1.4-2
[03:54] <kinghat> ya that version
[06:29] <genewitch> anyone have a link to getting hdmi audio to work?
[06:31] <Gallomimia> what problem are you having?
[06:31] <Gallomimia> it just.... "won't work" ?
[06:31] <genewitch> yeah the volume control shows levels
[06:31] <genewitch> but nothing coming out of the speaker
[06:32] <Gallomimia> where on your computer is the hdmi port?
[06:32] <Gallomimia> part of a graphics board?
[06:32] <genewitch> built in
[06:35] <Gallomimia> hmmm. no i usually have no problem by the time i've gotten where you're at
[06:36] <genewitch> there;s no "hdmi audio " in the "output devices"
[06:36] <genewitch> only headphones
[06:36] <Gallomimia> there isn't one? oh
[06:37] <Gallomimia> well then you'll probably need to install a driver. it's likely intel graphics
[06:37] <genewitch> weird that the "additional drivers" thing didn't catch that
[06:38] <Gallomimia> there's a few things i think you need to check on first...
[06:38] <Gallomimia> i'm bound for bed. really tired and not thinking too clearly
[06:38] <genewitch> !intel
[06:38] <Gallomimia> i also don't know much about intel graphics drivers
[06:38] <genewitch> that's ok i know what i am looking for now
[06:38] <Gallomimia> !graphics-drivers |geneswitch
[06:39] <genewitch> i just realized that lspci didn't show a graphics card
[06:39] <Gallomimia> that's if you even have an intel GPU driving that port
[06:39] <genewitch> yeah it's off the atom CPU
[06:39] <genewitch> it's an iGPU 600 or whatever they call it
[06:40] <Gallomimia> well, good night to you. hope you find something
[06:48] <genewitch> well, somehow ubuntu hosed everything on xfce4, i lost the bottom bar and the top bar
[06:48] <genewitch> but sound is working now
[06:52] <genewitch> xfce-panel
[07:46] <Fudge> cant remember how to get a deb package from pull-lp-source
[08:06] <fastfresh> I'm having issues with suspend on my laptop. If it stays suspended for some prolonged time, it wont wake up. When I press power buttom to wake it, power led starts to blink randomly, and I have to hard reboot it by holding down power button.
[08:08] <fastfresh> The laptop is dell latitude, it has no discrete gpu, only intel
[08:08] <fastfresh> I'm on 19.04
[08:11] <fastfresh> How do I debug the issue? I don't see any suspend related info in system logs
[08:11] <guiverc> fastfresh, when it's locked up; have you tried magic-sysrq keys to force clean shutdown (instead of power button, ie. is kernel running?)
[08:11] <tomreyn> fastfresh: see if you have some scpi issues
[08:11] <Stafer> Hey guys, i've installed 18.04 and there's no audio coming out. Well according to pavcucontrol it is but i can't hear anything.
[08:11] <Stafer> pulseaudio output is
[08:11] <Stafer> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[08:11] <tomreyn> fastfresh: * acpi - check acpi related records in    journalctl -b
[08:11] <Stafer> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[08:12] <Fudge> alsactl init
[08:12] <Xard> whoa, why i didn't know about "checkinstall" earlier... in the rare occasion i need to compile newer versions of some applications manually this tools is really awesome as it converts the make install to deb file automatically making guaranteed uninstallation to work.
[08:13] <tomreyn> fastfresh: also see     journalctl -b-1 -e    to find out whether anything was logged when you tried to return from susupend
[08:14] <Bob-Obo> New SSD Issue (msata & sata, internal & usb enclosure) - formatted both, but not detecting/reading properly. Running 19.04 on a Dell Latitude E7440. Here's the details: https://i.imgur.com/quhRTC3.png
[08:21] <fastfresh> >also see     journalctl -b-1 -e
[08:21] <fastfresh> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/T3vrW2Fb/
[08:21] <fastfresh> suspend entry is the last line
[08:23] <fastfresh> There are indeed some ACPI related errors, but I'm not sure what do they mean
[08:23] <fastfresh> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/R3iXsiB1/
[08:24] <fastfresh> And I'm not sure if they are related to the problem
[08:24] <Bob-Obo> How to get Msata via usb enclosure working properly? And is there a way to make Sata via usb enclsure more 'stable' so it detects/mounts everytime [not just sometimes]? -thx
[08:25] <tomreyn> fastfresh: so indeed it did not wake up fully. feel free to share the full current log so we can look for problems together: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:26] <tomreyn> fastfresh: in case you prefe rnot to share the full log, please show   journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:' so we'll know which hardware you have there exactly.
[08:31] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: what do you mean by "sata via usb enclosure"?
[08:32] <fastfresh> `Jul 14 11:29:36 workstation kernel: DMI: Dell Inc. Latitude 7280/0KK5D1, BIOS 1.14.1 04/03/2019`
[08:36] <Bob-Obo>  tomreyn: that's how it's being connected. I was testing 2 ssd's connected via 2 methods (msata and sata / connected via internal secondary bay, or connected via usb external enclosure device)
[08:40] <fastfresh> guiverc: Can't do this, no sysrq key on my laptop
[08:42] <guiverc> fastfresh, on newer dell keyboards the sysrq key isn't marked but still works; i've seen like on another newer make (no key marked but it it works as expected)
[08:42] <tomreyn> fastfresh: so you have th latest BIOS installed already. then i guess yuo could try TJ-'s workaround for acpi issues https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[08:44] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: okay. but you're aware that sata / msata hot plugging may not be possible - you didn't attach these on the running system?
[08:46] <tomreyn> fastfresh: it's probbaly the 'print' key, combined with altgr (right hand alt), maybe with extra ctrl (if the key is just labelled 'alt')
[08:46] <tomreyn> fastfresh: you can test this using the H sysrq key, which prints its help to a tty.
[08:47] <tomreyn> !tty
[08:54] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: I wasn't aware that couldn't be done. Forgive me if I'm wrong b/c still very novice but I don't see why not possible... both can connect internally, and both can connect via an external enclosure, so I just figured of course its possible. Yes I did attach these (only testing one at a time.. If A was connected internally, B was being tested via usb enclosure. And vice-versa.) I did connect them on the running system, which seems to work for the
[08:54] <Bob-Obo> Sata but not the Msata. I also tried connecting them while powered off then rebooting with them connected (independently, 2 different tests) and both times would be stuck on startup Ubuntu splashpage until I unplugged it, then the machine would finish booting up, and I would then connect the usb enclosure drive, and if it was the msata it wouldnt detect, but if it was the sata then most times it would detect/mount properly, while the system was running.
[08:54] <Bob-Obo> Full details in the screenshot I provided.
[08:56] <fastfresh> Ok, thanks, I will try this windows trick.
[08:58] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: mainboards may support hot-plugging sata devices, but most of the time this is disabled by default. i'm not certain whether ubuntu will always be able to detect hot-plugging of these automatically or whether you need to manually query the bus in some cases.
[08:58] <fastfresh> Do you think this could be related to secure boot? I've read that systems with secure boot are not allowed to hibernate because security. Maybe it's trying to hibernate while suspended?
[08:59] <Bob-Obo> how would I manually query the bus if needed?
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> fastfresh: uefi settings can influence things, like network card or graphics for example
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> fastfresh: but i dont think thats your case
[09:02] <tomreyn> fastfresh: i'm not sure whether hibernation is considered to break secureboot. secureboot certainly introduces more complexity and it's not rare that mainboard firmwares run into bugs they would not run into when its disabled. generelly, i'd recommend to suspend to ram rather than disk if you'd like a good user experience (faster recovery).
[09:04] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/rescan_scsi
[09:05] <tomreyn> fastfresh: looks like hibernation is not possible with secure boot enabled https://askubuntu.com/questions/1106105/18-04-hibernate-with-uefi-and-secure-boot-enabled
[09:07] <fastfresh> Yes, i've already read this. That's what made me think it might be related to SB.
[09:07] <fastfresh> `systemctl hibernate` reports hibernation not supported
[09:08] <fastfresh> `systemctl suspend` suspends as expected
[09:10] <tomreyn> and resumes from suspend as well?
[09:10] <fastfresh> Yes. But if it stays suspended too long it wont resume. That's my problem.
[09:11] <fastfresh> I have disabled sb and put that windows string into boot line, will check back in an hour to see if it survives
[09:11] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: thx much
[09:11] <tomreyn> maybe you have a setting in your 'BIOS' where the mainboard firmware will set the system into a lower power state after a while of suspend-to-disk to prevent the battery from draining.
[09:12] <tomreyn> yw Bob-Obo, but keep in mind you'll need the firmware to support it first of all
[09:14] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: ok I saw they both had software for each on their websites, but they were for mac or windows only.
[09:15] <tomreyn> fastfresh: i don't think it's ubuntu that switches the system into a deeper power state there a while after reaching suspend-to-ram. it just couldn't do that at this point, unless woken up by the firmware.
[09:17] <fastfresh> Yes, that makes sense
[09:21] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: i see. so i guess it's possible, either by this software enabling the functionality (such as by writing to some MSR), or by default.
[09:36] <abbie> gmorning gentlemen
[09:37] <Bob-Obo> tomreyn: MSR?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning abbie
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you this morning abbie
[09:37] <abbie> im waiting for my turn
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> abbie: there are no turns here, you can ask in the channel
[09:38] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-specific_register
[09:38] <Bob-Obo> thx
[09:38] <abbie> i recently did a full upgrade
[09:39] <abbie> and having pavucontrol isssues
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> abbie: whats your ubuntu version and kernel please?
[09:39] <abbie> pulseaudio outputs sound
[09:39] <abbie> but the mixer keeps respawning as if i did not have sound
[09:41] <abbie> nevermind
[10:08] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: i just discussed a bit with ##hardware folks - there was at least one person saying that they'd expect sata hotplugging to work on linux *desktops* (not sure about laptops) whether or not the firmware has it set to enabled (though it would be better to enable the setting where available). so all you should need to do then is to rescan the bus. and if this doesn't work, keep in mind that on some boards connecting devices to msata ports
[10:08] <tomreyn> disables some sata ports and the other way around.
[10:08] <tomreyn> and that you should cross-test sata cables
[11:50] <B|ack0p> hi
[11:51] <B|ack0p> i dont know if it is ubuntu related issue but may i ask about vscode running on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[12:01] <Bob-Obo> How do I find out exactly which filesystem my drive is formatted to?
[12:03] <ioria> Bob-Obo, sudo parted -l ; lsblk -f
[12:03] <ircarcs> mount
[12:03] <geirha> df -T .
[12:05] <ioria> Bob-Obo, you can also check /etc/fstab
[12:07] <ircarcs>  mount | awk -F" " '{print $3 , "|",  $5 }' | grep -v cgroup
[12:07] <ircarcs> ioria: sometime not in fstab
[12:08] <ioria> really ?
[12:08] <geirha> might as well do that grep with awk
[12:09] <ircarcs> ioria:  > if you plug an usb key . she-s not in fstab
[12:09] <ircarcs> :)
[12:09] <B|ack0p> i was trying to enable fingerprint on ubuntu 18.04 by " sudo apt install -y fprintd libpam-fprintd " and "sudo pam-auth-update" but it doesnt work
[12:09] <ioria> ircarcs, ofc
[12:09] <B|ack0p> in settings i enabled and trying to enroll my finger but it is stuck on enroll setting.
[12:10] <B|ack0p> now fingerprint device is getting too hot on my laptop
[12:10] <B|ack0p> what can i do?
[12:11] <B|ack0p> i hope it doesnt burn anything
[12:11] <B|ack0p> i cant close the window now
[12:11] <B|ack0p> oh finally closed
[12:11] <B|ack0p> but something is wrong, how can i fix it?
[12:13] <B|ack0p> :~$ lsusb > Bus 004 Device 002: ID 08ff:2810 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2810
[12:13] <B|ack0p> device is recognised but i cant set it
[12:20] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[12:26] <ircarcs> geirha: actually i dont know awk but what i used , you're right. i ll try to learn
[12:27] <geirha> awk '$5 != "cgroups" { print $3" | "$5 }'
[12:28] <ircarcs> thanks  :)
[12:29] <ircarcs> geirha:  not good  not bad but probably both >  this project   > https://tldr.sh/
[12:41] <Bob-Obo> ioria: thx
[12:41] <ioria> ok
[13:13] <terpin> The ethernet port on my device doesn't seem to be working (the Tx/Rx lights don't go up). The device name (eth0/eno1) isn't being detected by commands like ethtool, however its being detected by others.
[13:13] <terpin>  I am trying to connect a raspberry pi via an ethernet cable and everything seems to be fine on its side. Ifconfig/dmesg/ethtool output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3dsqGwDrQk/ LSHW output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/prjmsMwng4/
[13:14] <terpin> I don't think I have altered the ethernet drivers, however I have installed/compiled an external wireless driver. What can I do about this?
[13:17] <jeremy31> terpin: you could try installing r8168-dkms
[13:18] <terpin> lets see
[13:23] <terpin> Rebooting
[13:28] <terpin> jeremy31: Thanks! I knew this problem would have a one minute solution.
[13:29] <terpin> had been on this for about an hour and a half
[13:30] <jeremy31> Hopefully that driver will fix it
[13:31] <terpin> I think the port used to work with that driver before I upgraded ubuntu
[13:38] <coz_> good morning
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> welcome coz_
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you today?
[13:44] <coz_> lotuspsychje, well cant help right now , just thought I would say good morning ")
[13:49] <BluesKaj> 'morning coz_
[13:58] <blackflow> www.nohello.com
[13:59] <coz_> BluesKaj, hey ")
[14:00] <renn0xtk9> I install ubunut in a docker tzdata ask me about configuration. Is there a way to prevent it to prompt the user?
[14:00] <renn0xtk9> I mean preventing this https://i.imgur.com/Tk4LgSc.png
[14:01] <blackflow> docker is designed for single process / app   containerization, how did you install and run a whole distro in it?
[14:01] <renn0xtk9> blackflow I mean I take a ubuntu image of docker and I add some stuff in there
[14:01] <renn0xtk9> I derive my own Dockerfile
[14:06] <renn0xtk9> or what do you mean?
[14:15] <renn0xtk9> This is absolutely retarted
[14:15] <renn0xtk9> people work so that one can automate installations
[14:15] <renn0xtk9> and some idiots come and break everything with a pointless question
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> renn0xtk9: this isnt the complaints channel
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> renn0xtk9: focus on actual ubuntu issues instead please
[14:16] <Antioch> Hello. I've used rsync to copy a set of files/folders from HostA to HostB, moved and renamed things on HostB and want to sync the changes back to HostA. It appears that rsync cannot simply move and rename files, and instead wants to copy all the changed files/folders back leaving me with two copies on HostA. Is there any other tool I can use that will simply move/rename files as necessary on HostA without leaving me with two copies?
[14:16] <coz_> renn0xtk9, I have never used docker so I dont think I can help, but I was a bit confused about the issue
[14:20] <yhm12345> try git ?
[14:20] <vlt> Antioch: rsync has a "--delete" option.
[14:21] <vlt> Antioch: THat will "clean" your tree on HostA.
[14:21] <vlt> Antioch: But the renamed files will get copied anyways because rsync has no checksum machanism to find file duplicates.
[14:22] <vlt> Antioch: There's also "unison". It will track changes for you but afaik it might also copy a renamed file.
[14:22] <vlt> Antioch: And then there's git, of course.
[14:23] <coz_> renn0xtk9, did you try to join #docker  channel?
[14:23] <coz_> renn0xtk9, nevermind, I see you are already there
[14:23] <renn0xtk9> not yet. It seems to me at first glance that -yq does not behave the same with apt ant apt-get
[14:23] <Antioch> vlt, thank you!
[14:23] <renn0xtk9> can it be?
[14:35] <Sven_vB> I have a netbook that shall run Ubuntu bionic, and I'm in a bionic live session. the BIOL before I take the effort to install Ubuntu, I'd like to try install a bootloader
[14:35] <Sven_vB> sorry sent too early
[14:36] <Sven_vB> I have a netbook that shall run Ubuntu bionic, and I'm in a bionic live session. the BIOS-like EFI utility doesn't like me much (or at least it doesn't like SuperGrub), so before I take the effort to install Ubuntu, I'd like to try install a bootloader to see a failure message to the effect of "I would have booted Ubuntu now, if there was any." what would you suggest?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: what brand is this netbook?
[14:38] <Sven_vB> renn0xtk9, I guess so. the man page of apt doesn't even have -y.
[14:39] <Sven_vB> lotuspsychje, Acer Aspire Switch SW5-012. I even had to compile some special version of GRUB to get the live session to boot.
[14:39] <Sven_vB> this is the tutorial I used https://gist.github.com/mk-pmb/512a8105d3b39e55152c7fda248cd976
[14:41] <Sven_vB> I've tried bootctl install and it looked like it had successfully installed a Linux Boot Manager, but when I boot w/o the USB thumb drive, "No Bootable Device"
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: are you trying uefi or legacy?
[14:44] <Sven_vB> I also renamed the microsoft stuff on the EFI partition and placed the SuperGrub EFI files instead, same
[14:44] <Sven_vB> lotuspsychje, I'd like legacy, but I can't get the BIOS-like config program to allow that, so instead I'm trying EFI.
[14:46] <Sven_vB> maybe I should try supergrub + my custom GRUB EFI
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> wonder why it cant go legacy
[14:47] <Sven_vB> probably same why the Config Utility won't accept navigation via arrow keys: they reeeeally want me to acknowledge how futuristic they are. (e.g. the only way to navigate the config utility quickly is by touching the screen.)
[14:48] <Sven_vB> to the point that you can't even confirm the BIOS admin password with return, no, you have to click ok
[14:49] <Sven_vB> and each time I get the "No Bootable Device" error, it tries to help me by resetting all settings to factory default, reeealy annoying as well.
[14:50] <Sven_vB> I'm so glad I got this one for free, so I know to never _buy_ an Acer Switch.
[14:52] <Sven_vB> oh yeah and I did update the config utility this week, so it's not like they'd be fixing such stuff.
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: maybe you cant switch to legacy without a bios update or so?
[14:52] <Sven_vB> probably no-one at Acer uses the either, or they'd have found out their onscreen keyboard blocks the ok button
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: try to set the supervisor password, maybe you can also switch then
[14:53] <Sven_vB> lotuspsychje, right, some blogs said that. the config utility update claimed to have included a BIOS update, and it indeed increased the "BIOS version" on the info screen.
[14:53] <Sven_vB> yes I do have a supervisor password
[14:53] <Sven_vB> and yes that was required to disable secure boot
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> hmm weird you cant still legacy then
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> did you reboot after setting legacy
[14:54] <Sven_vB> yeah. or maybe it just has a weird name so I didn't find it?
[14:54] <Sven_vB> I don't find any option to select legacy
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> should be when you choose uefi/legacy
[14:55] <Sven_vB> however, if the live session USB boots, there's gotta be a way to pwn the disk as well.
[14:55] <Sven_vB> I'll reboot and see if I can find such a combo option
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> ok
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> good luck
[14:55] <Sven_vB> shall I make photos of the config screens?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: if you want
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: https://itsfoss.com/no-bootable-device-found-ubuntu/
[14:59] <Sven_vB> thanks, I'll read
[15:00] <Sven_vB> oh if I go legacy I probably need to reconfigure the BIOS-like utility if I want to boot Windows 10, right? in that case I should stay with EFI
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: are you going to dualboot?
[15:01] <Sven_vB> yeah, at least sometimes. like yesterday when I needed to know whether the SD card malfunction was a problem with Ubuntu or the hardware.
[15:01] <Sven_vB> in those cases it's nice to be able to compare
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Sven_vB might wanna read this then
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: or talk to EriC^^ later, he's our uefi expert
[15:06] <Sven_vB> will do
[15:19] <aneon> hi, I compiled and installed a package, now I need to make a -devel version, how to do that without adding source repo and other stuff
[15:21] <Br|aN> anyone alive here?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> aneon: are you contributing to an ubuntu package?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> !ask | Br|aN
[15:25] <Br|aN> ok my vps is running ubuntu 14.04 and i do the do upgrade thing adn it wont upgrade any other way to upgrade it
[15:26] <tomreyn> !14.04 | Br|aN
[15:26] <aneon> lotuspsychje: I may but for now I need some upstream packages
[15:27] <tomreyn> Br|aN: so 14.04 is end of life, this is why upgrading may be more difficult. but actually i assume you can still upgrade using the standard approach.
[15:27] <aneon> for now I have fixed the stuff by moving pcre-8.41 in the src directory
[15:27] <tomreyn> Br|aN: what's the "upgrade thing" you're doing?
[15:28] <tomreyn> Br|aN: and what does "it wont upgrade" look like?
[15:36] <wildermind> Hi, I bought a dongle D-Link DW222 and apparently it does not support My kernel version (latest) and I tried every possible way of installing it and it didn't work.
[15:37] <wildermind> Now, I am looking for a recommendation ab about a dongle with SIM card that you can recommend and works with Ubuntu for sure?
[15:37] <wildermind> i.e a mobile router
[15:41] <aneon> netgear 4g modem will work
[15:43] <aneon> I use asus pocketsize router with USB dongle
[15:43] <aneon> (when I go abroad but generally dislike wireless)
[15:43] <wildermind> aneon: can you send a link or specific model ? :)
[15:47] <Br|aN> New release '14.04.1 LTS' available.
[15:47] <Br|aN> Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it.
[15:47] <Br|aN> thats what i did
[15:47] <Br|aN> and i got
[15:48] <Br|aN> After updating your package information, the essential package
[15:48] <Br|aN> 'ubuntu-minimal' could not be located. This may be because you have
[15:48] <Br|aN> no official mirrors listed in your software sources, or because of
[15:48] <Br|aN>  excessive load on the mirror you are using. See /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:48] <Br|aN>  for the current list of configured software sources.
[15:48] <Br|aN>  In the case of an overloaded mirror, you may want to try the upgrade
[15:48] <Br|aN> again later.
[15:50] <Br|aN> my bad forgot sabout pastebin
[15:58] <Sven_vB> do I really need to install Ubuntu onto a local hard drive just to be able to install GRUB in UEFI mode into my existing ESP? I don't want it to find any kernels yet, just want to see a GRUB rescue shell so I know my BIOS-like utility managed to load GRUB.
[15:58] <Br|aN> !patience
[15:58] <Sven_vB> !eolupgrade | Br|aN
[16:00] <Sven_vB> Br|aN, if that guide doesn't help, please report what step failed, with details: what did you attempt? what did you expect? what did you observe instead=
[16:04] <tomreyn> Br|aN: you should update your system to the latest point release before you try to do a release upgrade.
[16:05] <tomreyn> my understanding is that you do *not* need to use the 'manual' process discussed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades to upgrade ubuntu 14.04.6 to 16.04.6, but that you can do so using do-release-upgrade.
[16:07] <Br|aN> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V8SQybRXmc/
[16:08] <tomreyn> !precise
[16:08] <tomreyn> you're on 12.04, not 14.04
[16:09] <Br|aN> o ya
[16:09] <Br|aN> duh
[16:09] <tomreyn> i suggest you backup and do a fresh install
[16:09] <Br|aN> i missed that
[16:09] <aneon> wildermind: search netgear LTE modem 1120
[16:09] <Br|aN> ok its been a min since i messed wtih ubuntu and this server how to do backup
[16:10] <wildermind> aneon: ty!
[16:10] <tomreyn> !backup | Br|aN
[16:11] <tomreyn> and please do use punctuation.
[16:15] <Br|aN> hmm seems my vps provider doesnt have teh stuff i need
[16:15] <tomreyn> what is the 'stuff [you] need'?
[16:16] <Br|aN> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/43rG7Xcjmc/
[16:17] <Br|aN> freakin buyvm
[16:18] <tomreyn> are you still trying to upgrade this system which is two LTS releases behind?
[16:18] <tomreyn> i.e., did you decide against my recommendation (backup, install a supported ubuntu release)?
[16:18] <Br|aN> no im trying to back up everything like my ircd znc users and stuff
[16:19] <Br|aN> but it wont find the back up utitlity thing
[16:19] <Br|aN> sorry im running on no sleep
[16:19] <tomreyn> sleep first, come back when you did.
[16:20] <Br|aN> ill do t his on my next day off on tuesday with a fresh mind
[16:20] <Br|aN> girls about to come over anyway
[16:21] <tomreyn> to install software, you'll need to point your apt sources to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[16:22] <Br|aN> thanks for the help
[16:25] <tomreyn> you're welcome, have a good night.
[16:46] <fastfresh> tomreyn: thank you, that windows ACPI line trick helped. Now it wakes up nicely
[16:47] <hypercore> any graphicsmagick users here?
[16:47] <tomreyn> fastfresh: nice! i bet TJ- would love to hear this when he's around.
[16:48] <tomreyn> hypercore: no polls, please. just state the support question, if any.
[16:48] <hypercore> tomreyn: i want to create a gif where each frame is a word from a string of text
[16:50] <tomreyn> each frame, so an animated gif, i assume?
[16:50] <hypercore> correct
[16:51] <hypercore> basically the graphicsmagick equivalent of this -> https://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/text/
[16:51] <fastfresh> I wonder why it doesn't work out of the box. `sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Linux` reports found strings, so I would expect support for linux acpi
[16:51] <hypercore> tomreyn: or if you know another piece of software which could do it faster, that would be even better
[16:52] <tomreyn> hypercore: i personally lack experience with this, sorry.
[16:53] <B|ack0p> how can i enable fingerprint on my ThinkPad t400 on Ubuntu 18.04 ?
[16:53] <tomreyn> fastfresh: apparently your mainboard firmware, like so many, send / announce different ACPI tables to Linux systems than to Windows ones, and the Linux ones are not sound.
[16:53] <B|ack0p> i tried this but doesnt work: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1107755/fingerprint-reader-in-ubuntu-18-04
[16:54] <B|ack0p> fingerprint device vendor is Authentec
[16:54] <B|ack0p> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 08ff:2810 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2810
[16:54] <hypercore> tomreyn: all good, apparently nobody has experience with this :P
[16:54] <tomreyn> fastfresh: many just know of Windows versions and "anything else", and "anything else" is a(n often badly composed) baseline.
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> hypercore: see also: snap find gif
[16:55] <B|ack0p> earlier i had another thinkpad, i installed fingerprint gui but it was not so effective that it was asking me swap my finger everytime it asks password. i just want it on login
[16:55] <blackflow> hypercore: I did that once, long time ago. basically a two step process, first you create individual frames as individual images, then you combine them into gif. as for specific commands, it's been a while and it's too long for irc anyway
[16:57] <blackflow> We had a facebook app where you could supply text for pre-defined gif templates and post the result on your or friend's wall.
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: there's a small wiki here, maybe it can help? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/session-fingerprint.html.en
[16:59] <hypercore> blackflow: nice, yeah struggling to find how to do it with graphicsmagick
[16:59] <hypercore> apparently there are not many experts on this particular topic
[16:59] <blackflow> hypercore: there are IM tutorials on how to write text into images
[17:00] <blackflow> hypercore: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/text/
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: seems also interesting: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1049526/fingerprint-activation-on-ubuntu-18-04?noredirect=1&lq=1
[17:00] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i did that but doesnt work. in Users setting i choose finger to enroll but at that section it gets freeze that doesnt let me do anything. then fingerprint device is getting extremely hot
[17:00] <B|ack0p> i removed that driver now
[17:00] <blackflow> hypercore: and how to combine them into a gif: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/layers/#append
[17:01] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i already googled before asking here :)
[17:01] <B|ack0p> i read and did all of them you posted
[17:01] <B|ack0p> but not working for me
[17:01] <B|ack0p> i dont know why
[17:01] <hypercore> blackflow: graphicsmagick i'm using :P
[17:01] <hypercore> but thanks for the link
[17:02] <B|ack0p> blackflow: i made my B capitalised not to confuse with your nick :p
[17:02] <hypercore> basically i'm trying to optimize render time, and gm is faster than im
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: did you also find this launchpad? https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint
[17:04] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: not that
[17:04] <blackflow> hypercore: it's a fork of IM isnt' it? same commands and procedures should work
[17:04] <hypercore> blackflow: think the api changed, hasn't it?
[17:04] <blackflow> hypercore: a little but I don't think much of it changed, it was mostly a political fork
[17:05] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: my device id is not there
[17:05] <hypercore> oh right
[17:05] <B|ack0p> so not supported?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1787974
[17:05] <blackflow> hypercore: if I were to do it today, though, I'd do it with python and Pillow
[17:05] <hypercore> i get "gm convert: Unable to get type metrics (Anthony) [No such file or directory]."
[17:05] <hypercore> for "convert ... label:Anthony"
[17:07] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: then sudo apt install fprintd  or sudo apt install libpam-fprintd
[17:07] <B|ack0p> ?
[17:07] <B|ack0p> actually this includes all which i already tried "sudo apt install -y fprintd libpam-fprintd"
[17:07] <B|ack0p> didnt work
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: if you feel the bug is related to you, affect yourself to the bug please
[17:08] <B|ack0p> someone commented "
[17:08] <B|ack0p> this thing didn't work for ThinkPad series – Akhil Surapuram Jul 5 at 6:21
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: maybe add your experience story to it
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: it might be worth trying out 19.04 or 19.10 as a test too
[17:12] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i added my experience in launcpad
[17:13] <B|ack0p> thx for your help anyway
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: at the top, add yourself also affected to the bug
[17:16] <kwispel> Hi all! I have a question. I have a VPS running ubuntu and I can start a SOCKS5 proxy on that VPS by ssh'ing as following: `ssh -D 12345 -N server`. Now, I want to start such SOCKS5 proxy automatically on the server. How can that be done? I guess I could do in an init script `ssh -D 12345 localhost`, but is there a cleaner way?
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: by affecting the bug, it has now confirmed, thank you for helping making ubuntu better
[17:18] <B|ack0p> i am glad :)
[17:20] <blackflow> kwispel: yeah a systemd service unit
[17:20] <kwispel> blackflow: right, but such solution does still involve actually ssh'ing into our own daemon?
[17:20] <kwispel> I was hoping I could somehow configure the daemon to already start such SOCKS5 proxy on port 12345 automatically
[17:21] <blackflow> kwispel: not sure what you mean by that
[17:22] <blackflow> systemd services can start on boot (or on other events) without user intervention
[17:22] <kwispel> well as far as I understand, on the server I would do something like `ssh -D 12345 -N localhost`
[17:22] <kwispel> it looks odd (to me) to ssh into your own machine
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: wich kernel are you on?
[17:27] <blackflow> kwispel: that command is executed on the machine where you want the socket created
[17:28] <B|ack0p> errr
[17:28] <B|ack0p> let me check
[17:28] <kwispel> blackflow: yes
[17:28] <blackflow> kwispel: so what's confusing you?
[17:28] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: 4.18.0-25-generic
[17:29] <kwispel> not so much, I was hoping there is a way to configure sshd that it automatically starts a SOCKS5 on that port
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: ah, ok you are on the HWE already, i was going to propose that as a test
[17:30] <blackflow> kwispel: a port to _where_?
[17:30] <B|ack0p> yea latest 18.04.2
[17:30] <blackflow> kwispel: and it's not sshd but ssh client
[17:30] <kwispel> blackflow: a port on the local system
[17:30] <kwispel> I am not getting my question through it seems
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: if you test a 19.04 or 19.10 and it seems to solve, could you add that to the bug?
[17:31] <blackflow> kwispel: so on that system create a systemd unit that starts a service that Exec's that ssh command
[17:31] <blackflow> kwispel: methinks you first need to figure out how ssh socks proxying works
[17:31] <B|ack0p> lotuspsychje: i didnt test 19.x
[17:31] <kwispel> I actually know how it works
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: its a proposal, just trying to widen your options
[17:32] <kwispel> I just want to automate it on the server side, and I thought it was "odd" to ssh into localhost
[17:32] <B|ack0p> if i install one day i can add that
[17:32] <B|ack0p> but i like to stay on LTS as possible..
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> i understand
[17:32] <B|ack0p> does it work on vm maybe? i can try one day..
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: not sure if fingerprint will pickup over a VM
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> didnt test that myself
[17:33] <B|ack0p> well earlier i could get fingerprint working on my thinkpad x201 - different machine. but it was gui/different software
[17:33] <blackflow> kwispel: you don't open it on the server side, you open it on the client side
[17:34] <B|ack0p> i didnt like it and deleted anyway
[17:34] <B|ack0p> it was asking me to swap finger everytime..
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> B|ack0p: feel free to share your dmesg, maybe we can see something wrong there
[17:34] <blackflow> kwispel: or more precisely, on the machine where you want the socket to be created, that leads to a remote machine
[17:34] <kwispel> blackflow: by default yes, but I want the server to open it automatically when it boots
[17:34] <ctrlbreak> Anyone here willing to help me understand why I can't seem to do a 'do-release-upgrade' from Ubuntu 14.04 atm?
[17:34] <kwispel> and for that, we need ssh into localhost, and I thought that was odd
[17:34] <ctrlbreak> :-( Havin a pretty s%$#ty day at the moment.
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> ctrlbreak: did you sign up for ESM?
[17:34] <B|ack0p> ctrlbreak: did u try distro-upgrade ?
[17:34] <ctrlbreak> ESM?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !esm | ctrlbreak
[17:35] <blackflow> kwispel: not "by default".  look what -D does. you issue that on the machine _from_ where you open the socks proxy
[17:35] <ctrlbreak> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[17:36] <ctrlbreak> Nope... I did not sign up for ESM.
[17:36] <blackflow> kwispel: imagine it's a pipe and network packes get into it on the IN side, and get out on the OUT side. you open the socks proxy on the IN side
[17:36] <B|ack0p> ctrlbreak: yes
[17:36] <kwispel> blackflow: either you do `ssh -D 12345 server` on the client or `ssh -D 12345 localhost` on the server - both start a socks5 proxy on port 12345 on the server
[17:36] <blackflow> kwispel: yes but the latter leads nowhere, certainly not back to your client
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> ctrlbreak: ok tnx, 14.04 is end of life, its advisable to fresh install a supported version or !eolupgrade
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> *or
[17:37] <hortiel> hi
[17:37] <hortiel> how do ddI draw in libredraw? the pencil doesn't draw instead produces curves?
[17:37] <ctrlbreak> I realize is EOL... which is why I'm trying to bring this box current
[17:37] <TJ-> !eol | ctrlbreak you'd need to 'start' by switching to the old-releases.ubuntu.com servers to ensure d-r-u can do a last upgrade on all the 14.04 packages before it fetches the newer, supported, release
[17:37] <kwispel> blackflow: I am not following you, it does not have to lead to anywhere? it'a a sock proxy, not a -L or -R proxy!?
[17:38] <kwispel> all it does is starting a sock5 on the given port
[17:38] <ctrlbreak> Thank you for the direction to the EOL info.
[17:38] <blackflow> kwispel: and that "all" connects to the remote side where the packets sent to the socket are forwarded to
[17:38] <blackflow> (and in the other direction too)
[17:39] <blackflow> it's a pipe. it needs a remote side. opening a socks proxy to "localhost" makes zero sense
[17:39] <kwispel> afaik any client can use the socks5, I really don't see what you are getting at
[17:39] <kwispel> uhm, socks5 is no pipe? this is no -L or -R pipe
[17:40] <ctrlbreak> FWIW - Thanks for not freaking out that it's an old box that's clearly past support.  I'm trying to assist someone without having to flatten and start over, and figured I'd be up against something like this.
[17:40] <blackflow> kwispel: “Socket Secure (SOCKS) is an Internet protocol that exchanges network packets between a client and server through a proxy server. Practically, a SOCKS server proxies TCP connection to an arbitrary IP address, and provides a means for UDP packets to be forwarded.“
[17:40] <blackflow> so yeah, it's a pipe
[17:41] <blackflow> aka poor man's VPN
[17:41] <kwispel> yes, ofcourse - but in the sense as a local/remote tunnen as we have with -L and -R
[17:41] <kwispel> +not
[17:41] <blackflow> kwispel: then what does it do
[17:42] <kwispel> it's perfectly valid to start a SOCKS5 locally on a server with `ssh -D 12345 localhost`, it does not need to have endpoints at the moment of declaration
[17:42] <blackflow> kwispel: and what does that do, what happens to packets that are sent to the socket
[17:43] <kwispel> what would it do? it's a proxy, so the packets are forwarded to the host as requested by the client accessing the proxy
[17:43] <blackflow> you mean..... a pipe?
[17:44] <blackflow> and anyway why would that not work as a systemd service?
[17:44] <kwispel> I am referring to: [19:39:03] <blackflow> it's a pipe. it needs a remote side. opening a socks proxy to "localhost" makes zero sense
[17:44] <blackflow> that is correct.
[17:44] <kwispel> it must make sense, or you could not implement a systemd service anyway
[17:45] <blackflow> you wanted to stick it into an init script, so instead use systemd unit.
[17:45] <blackflow> if an init script could work, then a systemd service would too.
[17:46] <kwispel> ofcourse, but I am referring to your statement `... localhost` makes zero sense.
[17:46] <blackflow> yes, it makes zero sense for socks _proxy_
[17:46] <kwispel> you can start such proxy wherever you want, localhost included
[17:46] <blackflow> kwispel: okay, so a systemd service would work?
[17:47] <kwispel> yes
[17:47] <blackflow> kwispel: then problem solved?
[17:47] <kwispel> in which we Exec: ssh -D 12345 -N localhost
[17:47] <kwispel> that was never the problem :)
[17:48] <blackflow> kwispel: then what was?
[17:49] <kwispel> I was wondering if we could configure sshd to start such socks5 automatically, instead of having to ssh into ourself, so to speak
[17:49] <blackflow> kwispel: dude.... yes, stick that into a systemd unit
[17:50] <kwispel> that doesn't answer "... instead of having to ssh into ourself"
[17:51] <blackflow> I give up.
[17:56] <blackflow> kwispel: "19:46 < kwispel> you can start such proxy wherever you want, localhost included"  -- yes but not with the syntax you provided. you probably meant    ssh -D localhost:12345 <remote-side>    where "localhost" is redundant, that syntax specifies the outbound binding IP
[17:56] <blackflow> "localhost" for remote side makes zero sense.
[17:57] <kwispel> No, I meant `ssh -D 12345 localhost` - this is executed on the VPS
[17:57] <blackflow> kwispel: that doesn't do anything, loops back to itself
[17:58] <kwispel> uhm? no
[17:58] <blackflow> uhm yes
[17:59] <blackflow> "localhost" is resolved on the machine where you exec that ssh command, which unless you messed with dns, is 127.0.0.1 so you loopback to yourself.
[17:59] <kwispel> I believe you are confusing with a local/remote pipe (-L / -R)
[17:59] <blackflow> I'm not
[18:00] <blackflow> re-read the manpage
[18:03] <blackflow> kwispel:     | machine A:   -D 1234 ||> - - - - - - - - - -  ssh connection - - - - - - - - - - ||> machine B |               so when you configure, say, Firefox to use port 1234 on machine A, packets are forwarded over ssh and are exiting there, so that traffic is piped through the ssh connection.
[18:03] <kwispel> something related https://superuser.com/questions/1308495/how-to-create-a-socks-proxy-with-ssh
[18:03] <orf_> Hey guys, I really need some help here. I've finally got my partner to try Ubuntu (yay!). I've installed it on her machine, which has a dodgy touch screen interface (slightly cracked, causes lots of keypresses).
[18:03] <orf_> I've disabled this input device in the X11 config
[18:03] <orf_> But it doesn't appear to apply to the *login* screen.
[18:04] <orf_> I used this answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038248/how-to-disable-touchscreen-permanently-on-ubuntu-18-04/1038259, is there a separate config somewhere for lib input in the login screen?
[18:04] <blackflow> kwispel: that doesn't do what you think it does
[18:04] <kwispel> blackflow: I am really not sure why wou want to explain how piping works, I know all that - I am just answering on your `ssh -D 12345 localhost` makes zero sense remark
[18:05] <TJ-> orf_: is the touchscreen connected via USB?
[18:05] <orf_> Nope, it's built into the display
[18:05] <kwispel> I believe you are confusing -L/-R with -D, but I could be wrong
[18:05] <TJ-> orf_: right, but is it *connected* via USB?
[18:05] <blackflow> kwispel: I'm certainly not.
[18:05] <TJ-> orf_: most are
[18:06] <orf_> What's the best way to check? I doubt it, the machine is a Dell integrated monitor + computer
[18:06] <blackflow> kwispel: at any rate, that command always runs on the socket initiating machine. so if you want a connection BACK from the VSP to your machine, that ain't gonna work
[18:07] <TJ-> orf_: I have exactly the same issue here and I de-authorise the USB device. See https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PgFNppTncY/
[18:07] <kwispel> blackflow: that's not how SOCKS5 work
[18:07] <kwispel> it's a "dynamic" proxy after all
[18:08] <blackflow> kwispel: which is irrelevant to the fact that you can't initiate it from the VPS back to your local machine using that command.
[18:09] <kwispel> who is proposing to do that? the client connects to the socks5 proxy, and from that moment, we have bidirectional session
[18:09] <blackflow> kwispel: it's very simple. ssh opens a TCP socket on the machine where it was called on. then runs a ssh connection to the remote side and forwards packets between that TCP socket and a connecting socket on the remote machine. there is no other way for that to work.
[18:09] <orf_> TJ- there doesn't appear to be a device connected to the hub :(. There is a "Microdia" device, which I don't recognise, but nothing else of any relevance
[18:10] <TJ-> orf_: you'll need to search the input class devices to figure out which it is then
[18:10] <blackflow> kwispel: yes but you need to _open_ that connection from somewhere
[18:10] <blackflow> establish the pipe between two machines.
[18:10] <kwispel> as said, the client connects to the socks5 proxy on the server
[18:10] <orf_> Any tips on that TJ-?
[18:10] <orf_> I've disabled it in the lib input config, so it's not coming up there
[18:10] <kwispel> in the same way the client would connect to a http proxy, or a socks4 proxy, or any other kind of proxy
[18:10] <TJ-> orf_: try "ls -l /sys/class/input/input*"
[18:11] <Lantizia_> Hypothetically :)... if your file manager (nautilus, caja, nemo, dolphin, whatever) didn't list your CD/DVD-ROM device in it's sidebar (but it definitely is available, right permissions and can be mounted via cli)... and it was because something is checking the make/model of the drive and deciding not to show it to the user - where might that exception be (code wise?) ?
[18:11] <TJ-> Lantizia_: that could be udev rules
[18:12] <Lantizia_> TJ-, i thought about that - too low level
[18:12] <TJ-> Lantizia_: udev sets 'tags' on devices which userland uses to recognise type
[18:13] <orf_> Ok, so I cannot see anything interesting there
[18:13] <TJ-> Lantizia_: you could check "grep . /sys/block/sr?/*" for more clues
[18:13] <TJ-> orf_: can you show us the USB vendor:product ID of that microdia device ?
[18:13] <Lantizia_> TJ-, i should clarify - I don't have a cd/dvd drive that's not showing up and I want to fix it... rather I can create a cd/dvd drive of any make/model strings I like - and *want* it to not show up :D
[18:14] <Lantizia_> so essentially I'm hunting for something that may not even exist - hence 'Hypothetically :)...'
[18:14] <TJ-> Lantizia_: I'd still use udev to alter the tags, as I recall there is a tag to 'hide' devices
[18:14] <TJ-> Lantizia_: how are you creating this virtual CD device?
[18:15] <Lantizia_> TJ-, how can it hide them?
[18:15] <TJ-> Lantizia_: because some userland tools 'look' for certain device tags
[18:15] <Lantizia_> TJ-, CDEmu - it lets you pick your own vendor ID/product ID/revision and vendor-specific strings
[18:15] <TJ-> Lantizia_: ahhh, OK, let me experiment here
[18:15] <Ozi> Hello everyone. I want to install wine 3.21, however my "Available Wine version" only go upto 3.20. Could someone help me install wine 3.21?
[18:16] <Lantizia_> so I kinda want to make a CDEmu device that the file managers don't want to handle
[18:16] <Lantizia_> I've already got media automounting turned off - but it still shows up in the file manager
[18:17] <TJ-> Lantizia_: which desktop environment are you targeting? I think the ability to 'hide' is not universal
[18:17] <Lantizia_> MATE
[18:17] <Ozi> nvm
[18:21] <Lantizia_> TJ-, so the default Vendor ID of a CDEmu device is 'CDEmu   ', are you thinking if this was something like 'HideEmu ' - udev could spot this with a special rule and set the tag that MATE will look for and not bother trying to show it in caja (file manager) or mount it
[18:22] <Lantizia_> ultimately I'm still going to want to mount it in my script though using either udisksctl / gio - or whatever the heck I'm supposed to use these days - basically whatever utility represents what MATE was doing automatically through the file manager
[18:22] <Lantizia_> so if the 'tag' affects that functionality - it wouldn't do me much good
[18:24] <orf_> So I've disabled the multitouch kernel module
[18:24] <orf_> But the login screen still seems to be affected
[18:25] <orf_> So the question is, why does the login screen not respect the lib input config?
[18:25] <orf_> Is there a simpler login screen I can use? This is a bit ridiculous
[18:30] <ioria> orf_, are you sure blacklisted the correct module ? btw, you can try lightdm
[18:34] <fastfresh> How do I propose a patch to a package?
[18:36] <TJ-> Lantizia_: no, I was looking at the TAGs and other ENV vars udev attaches to devices; I'm looking (right now) at "udevadm info -p block/sr0"
[18:39] <TJ-> orf_: >>> can you show us the USB vendor:product ID of that microdia device ?
[18:39] <imahmoud> Hi guys, I have installed ubuntu-18.04.2-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi3.img on my Raspbarry Pi 3 B+. Then installed Docker. And started the steps of installing OpenProject on Ubuntu using a docker image. when I do the step: sudo apt-get update I receive the following error: standard_init_linux.go:211: exec user process caused "exec format error"
[18:39] <imahmoud> can you help me with the steps that I can take to resolve this problem.
[18:40] <orf_> I've found the vendor and product ID's for the screen in syslog and used your config TJ-
[18:40] <orf_> Thank you so much
[18:41] <orf_> It's working now
[18:41] <orf_> for future reference, what significance are the integers at the start of the config files?
[18:41] <Lantizia_> TJ-, well I have found "UDISKS_IGNORE" which can be set via udev it seems
[18:41] <orf_> Like 40-xyz, or your 99-...?
[18:43] <TJ-> Lantizia_: that's the one! I couldn't recall what it was, nice find
[18:43] <TJ-> orf_: for lexical file ordering
[18:44] <orf_> Ahh, so no association with run levels or something like that?
[18:44] <TJ-> orf_: 10-xxxx with be read before 11-aaaa
[18:44] <sappheiros> Could you please help me solve https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158243/how-to-fix-duplicate-wireless-taskbar-display ?
[18:44] <TJ-> orf_: numbers are easy to sort, whereas alphabet relies on locale
[18:45] <TJ-> orf_: so the touchscreen is the Microdia USB device?
[18:46] <sappheiros> My wireless taskbar panel is showing twice instead of once.
[18:46] <orf_> No, it was a "CoolTouch" device TJ-
[18:46] <sappheiros> i.e. two icons
[18:47] <orf_> Sorry, yes, it was USB.
[18:47] <orf_> But not the Microdia one
[18:54] <ctrlbreak> Hooray!... Almost up to 18.04.02 from 14.04 now.
[18:57] <TJ-> orf_: aha, that was what I was getting at
[18:57] <TJ-> orf_: because the de-authorise 'trick' only works for USb devices
[18:58] <Lantizia_> TJ-, will have a try at writing a rule in a bit - gonna have something to eat first... although still worried it'd knock out my ability to use things like udisksctl as well
[19:01] <Frostiikin> I'm having issues installing Ubuntu on an old 2008 mac, I get some error 5 thing whenever I try to install. I'm trying to dual boot with rEFind.
[19:02] <Frostiikin> Also I'm a Linux noon so please keep it simple
[19:02] <Frostiikin> Noob*
[19:02] <Frostiikin> I've tried a USB and a SD card with a card reader and they both produced the same issues
[19:02] <Frostiikin> The mac is one of those desktops with aluminum casing
[19:03] <Frostiikin> The installer and try before install things work fine
[19:04] <Frostiikin> I've also tried Linux mint and same problems
[19:05] <Frostiikin> As to why I'm using such an old mac, I am saving up to buy parts for a new pc since my main one broke
[19:05] <Frostiikin> Im about $200 away
[19:09] <magic_ninja_work> has anyone gotten nvidia optimus working in 19.04
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja_work: optimus cards should work, when you install the nvidia driver
[19:10] <magic_ninja_work> The card works, but I have to logout to switch video drivers
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja_work: why do you want to switch drivers?
[19:11] <magic_ninja_work> bumblebee doesn't seem to be the way to go right now.
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja_work: or do you mean switch from intel - nvidia
[19:11] <magic_ninja_work> lotuspsychje, yes, switch between the two cards, or offload to nvidia
[19:12] <TJ-> Lantizia_: I've created a rule that is supposed to set UDISKS_IGNORE=1 but despite it triggering I do not see it reported by udevadm info and udisksctl status still shows the device. If you want udisks to manage the device though, this is not going to work, and there is no other universal way to tell file-managers to ignore devices (especially those that have user privileges)
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja_work: to switch between the cards, you need to make sure your nvidia driver installed, then open nvidia-settings and change performance mode/powersaving mode
[19:13] <magic_ninja_work> And you have to log out and back in.
[19:14] <pcworld> Does Ubuntu not keep all package versions in their repo? I would like to revert rustc in Ubuntu 18.10 from 1.34.1 to 1.32, but apt-cache policy rustc only offers me 1.28.0 and 1.34.1 (I had 1.32.0 before)
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> pcworld: 18.10 will soon be end of life, perhaps time to move up the ladder?
[19:15] <pcworld> lotuspsychje: that doesn't really solve my problem?
[19:15] <pcworld> I see the 1.32 version in http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/r/rustc/, but why is it apparently not part of the Releases file?
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> !info rustc cosmic
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> pcworld: you have external ppa's in your system?
[19:17] <pcworld> not related to rust no
[19:17] <pcworld> Is it normal that not all old versions are part of the Releases file?
[19:17] <pcworld> This is my output of apt-cache policy rustc: https://pastebin.com/raw/B3Yre5XH
[19:18] <pcworld> Looking into http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/r/rustc/, there were obviously many versions in between
[19:18] <ioria> for cosmic you just have 1.34
[19:19] <magic_ninja_work> lotuspsychje, I guess I also should have mentioned, do I industrial design work. I need to run VM's on the fly to interact with specialized equipment. Not that I can't log out and back in, it is just a pretty huge hassel if I am doing other stuff and have to switch gears quickly.
[19:19] <pcworld> ioria: well I had 1.32 before on cosmic, I just wanted to revert the upgrade from 1.32 to 1.34.1
[19:19] <pcworld> and am a little surprised that apt-cache policy does not offer 1.32 anymore
[19:20] <ioria> pcworld, sy, i don't see how could you have 1.32 (without a ppa)
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja_work: what happens exactly when you switch between cards from nvidia-settings?
[19:20] <magic_ninja_work> It functions fine.
[19:20] <jeremy31> rustc 1.32 shows in changelog
[19:20] <magic_ninja_work> I just have to start a new x session
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja_work: why?
[19:20] <magic_ninja_work> Honestly, I'm thinking that perhaps I could start an x session with a minimalist window manager and run a full-screen VM that way.
[19:21] <magic_ninja_work> lotuspsychje, because you have to in order to switch cards.
[19:21] <magic_ninja_work> nvidia prime-select requires it
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja_work: and what do you want exactly then?
[19:27] <TJ-> Lantizia_: for udev rule see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WznCRf6TrG/
[19:28] <magic_ninja_work> particularly i just figured I would see if anyone here had bumblee working or knew anything else about the status of nvidia optimus in hte linux kernel
[19:42] <Frostiikin> Uh hey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on this old early 2008 mac desktop, but whenever I try to install it it says errno 5 input/output error. I've tried multiple different USB drives but nothing seems to work...
[19:42] <Bundestrojaner> good evening. My PC (ubuntu 16.04 LTS) crashed yesterday, completely frozen, showing some lines of the startup "terminal" in shifted lines.
[19:42] <Bundestrojaner> After rebooting, I've noticed a massive drop in "in-game performance". The driver manager says it's using the Nouveau-driver while nVidia X Server settings says, 418.56 is running.
[19:42] <Bundestrojaner> grep "X Driver" /var/log/Xorg.0.log  -> [    18.459] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  418.56  Fri Mar 15 12:37:35 CDT 2019
[19:42] <Bundestrojaner> I already tried apt remove nvidia* -> reboot -> tell driver manager to install nvidia-418.56, left me with the same low performance.
[19:44] <Frostiikin> I've also tried installing Linux mint cinnamon and same error
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> Frostiikin: input/output errors mostly indicate HD bad sectors, maybe do a checkup?
[19:46] <Frostiikin> I can boot both from the USB but neither will install
[19:47] <Frostiikin> How do I check?
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> Frostiikin: is it 18.04 you trying to install?
[19:47] <Frostiikin> Whatever is the most recent
[19:47] <Bundestrojaner> In the last few months, i had a few incidents where after a kernel upgrade the GUI wouldn't start and i had to enter recovery and re-install nvidia driver.
[19:47] <Bundestrojaner> I have no idea where to start here.
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> Bundestrojaner: wich chipset is your card?
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> Frostiikin: i had good experiences with 18.04 on several macs lately
[19:48] <Bundestrojaner> lotuspsychje: GTX670
[19:48] <magic_ninja_work> Frostiikin, at what point does the install fail? Usually, an IO error is indictative of a hardware problem.
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> !mac | Frostiikin
[19:48] <Bob-Obo> Is NTSF a suitable choice to format my 2.5" SATA SSD?
[19:49] <Frostiikin> It errors out a few minutes in
[19:49] <magic_ninja_work> Bob-Obo, is it intended for storage or to run an operating system
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> Bundestrojaner: for GTX cards, try the ubuntu graphics ppa perhaps
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Bundestrojaner
[19:49] <magic_ninja_work> Frostiikin, you likely have a hardware issue.
[19:49] <Bob-Obo> magic_ninja_work: for storage
[19:49] <Frostiikin> Oh boy...
[19:49] <vadique> hola
[19:50] <magic_ninja_work> Bob-Obo, yes, ntfs is just fine. You will want the ntfs tools in order to check the drive. Not sure if they will be installed by default
[19:50] <Bundestrojaner> lotuspsychje: i've used 418.56 for at least 2 weeks without any problems before this happened
[19:50] <Bob-Obo> No they are not. How do I get them?
[19:50] <vadique> Yesterday I wrote how Debian 10 is unfriendly to my network card, and that I'm going to try Ubuntu
[19:51] <vadique> yet I'm writing from Ubuntu (:
[19:51] <vadique> it works
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> Bundestrojaner: what does ubuntu-devices suggest for your card?
[19:52] <TJ-> vadique: depends on the network device - usually it is the device (manufacturer) that is unfriendly to Linux (Debian) and doesn't provide  mainline drivers
[19:52] <Bundestrojaner> lotuspsychje: 430.26
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> Bundestrojaner: try that perhaps?
[19:52] <Bundestrojaner> lotuspsychje: i will and report back. thx!
[19:52] <vadique> TJ-, sooner it is Debian which pick very very very old linuxes (kernels) for new releases, focusing on old hardware
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> Bundestrojaner: good luck
[19:53] <Bundestrojaner> lotuspsychje: shall i remove 418 before. Or will the driver manager do it right?
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> Bundestrojaner: you can switch from software&updates tab/additional drivers
[19:56] <Bob-Obo> magic_ninja_work: No they are not. How do I get the NTSF tools?
[19:56] <magic_ninja_work> !ntfs
[19:56] <magic_ninja_work> sec I'm still looking
[19:56] <magic_ninja_work> try ntfsfix
[19:58] <vadique> gosh, it can mount my google drive, that's superb
[19:59] <LaserAllan_> Hey guys
[20:00] <LaserAllan_> Is there anyone else who's had the issue if using ultrawide displays on Ubuntu?
[20:00] <LaserAllan_> I've got a Dell 5120x1440 that I can't get to work on Ubuntu
[20:00] <LaserAllan_> On Windows it works and I can't work out what it is
[20:00] <LaserAllan_> I can go as high as 3849x1440
[20:00] <vadique> LaserAllan_: how it looks like? a bar?
[20:01] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: can you show us "xrandr -q" ?
[20:10] <texla> Which Dock does ubuntu 18.04 use as part of its activities
[20:15] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: yes one sec
[20:17] <pnwise> So I have a stupid question, how do I add module parameter?
[20:18] <pnwise> I want to add amdgpu.gpu_recovery=1
[20:18] <pnwise> Because sometimes the GPU freeze the whole system and it can't even reboot and I have to hard-reset it
[20:27] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/613UkMQ9
[20:27] <LaserAllan_> I had a friend tell me that it was sovled by instlaling windows and updating the thunderbolt firemware
[20:27] <LaserAllan_> that didn't help for me though
[20:27] <LaserAllan_> and i have both a T25 and a T480
[20:28] <LaserAllan_> both of which cannot ru the native reosultion of the display
[20:31] <miggypt> hello all
[20:34] <miggypt> i have a question: i want to install ubuntu alongside windows. the tricky part is i want to boot ubuntu from a usb stick.  so if i have the pen plugged in, ubuntu starts automatically. if i don't have the pen,windows starts automatically.
[20:34] <miggypt> i know it's possible, because i've done it before, but can't for the life of me remember how i did it :D
[20:34] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: sorry for the delay, was working on something else... so the mode is available on DP-1 - what happens when you choose it?
[20:39] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: I can see from xrandr you've had the 2 displays positioned side-by-side so it worked at the Xorg level ("current 7040 x 1440")
[20:44] <blackflow> miggypt: you install grub on your USB and configure the machine to try USB before HDD
[20:45] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: How can tha tbe?, i have the dell display connected with USBV-C to the laptop
[20:45] <LaserAllan_> According to gnome
[20:45] <LaserAllan_> the dell display is 5120x1440
[20:45] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: I guess there is a way to solve this so i mgiht not hav ehad to install windows and i am going to have to install Linux again and configure all the things :D
[20:45] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: what problem do you experience when enabling the external display?
[20:45] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: 7040....was really weird, the external screen is 5120x1440
[20:46] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: It doesn't show me a dekstop at all
[20:46] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: right, but 7040 is 1920 + 5120
[20:46] <LaserAllan_> it pwoers on but no picutre, i fi lower it to 3840x1080 it works
[20:46] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: which is the eDP-1 + DP-1 aligned side by side
[20:46] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: Well, gnome doesn't say that but yeah
[20:46] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: Yeah that can make sense
[20:46] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: that might be a memory issue then
[20:47] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: But if i choose single display and only choose the dell screen
[20:47] <LaserAllan_> it still doesn't work
[20:47] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: let's find the Xorg log file and look at that, it'll likely contain clues. Which Ubuntu release is it, 18.04 ?
[20:47] <LaserAllan_> I mean I don't really have a need of rthe laptop screen if i can get 5120x1440
[20:48] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: we can also do an experiement to mode change, do you know how to switch to/use a text console using Ctrl+Alt+F2 ?
[20:48] <miggypt> blackflow i remember configuring that during linux installation. i tried installing bootloader in usb drive but that failed. what you're saying is install grub inpen drive after installing linux?
[20:49] <blackflow> miggypt: you can do it after too, but the trick is not to have grub on hdd and leave only windows' booting mechanism on it
[20:50] <blackflow> miggypt: during the installation it asks where to install grub, choose your USB drive. the drive has to contain bios_grub partition
[20:51] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: no
[20:51] <LaserAllan_> Sadly I do not
[20:51] <LaserAllan_> But I'll follow your lead
[20:51] <LaserAllan_> I've got Irc running in a server in the cloud anyway
[20:51] <miggypt> ok, that's it... so i need to format the usb drive during installation and create that partition?
[20:52] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: 1804 yes
[20:53] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: quick tutorial then! Linux(by default) in multi-user mode (the usual) has 7 TTYs (teletype) local consoles. Each can contain a separate user log-in. The GUI, run by Xorg, uses one. It used to be tty7 but recently switched to tty1. You can use hot-keys to switch to any TTY with Ctrl+Alt+Fx where 'x' is a number 1 through 7 to switch
[20:53] <Bundestrojaner> Is apt install nvidia-<version> + reboot supposed to be enough to use a proprietary driver?
[20:54] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: so if you're in the GUI (which will be tty7 or tty1) you press Ctrl+Alt+F2 and you'll switch to a text console where you'll get a "login:" prompt and can log-in to a text shell to run commands, and can switch back to the GUI with either Alt+F7 or Alt+F1 (tty7 or tty1)
[20:55] <LaserAllan_> Sure that makes sense
[20:55] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: so, if you do "Ctrl+Alt+F2 it'll switch to tty2, you login, then you can issue commands to test things and the switch back to the GUI with Alt+F7 (or Alt+F1). In this case we can try enabling just the external monitor with the command "xrandr --output eDP-1 --off --output DP-1 --auto"
[20:56] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: Will i ahve tos ign in to get to the console?
[20:56] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: this command would turn off the internal display (eDP-1) and enabled the external (DP-1) at its preferred mode
[20:56] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: yes
[20:56] <LaserAllan_> it didnt work to jsut sue ctr-alt and f2
[20:56] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: sometimes you have to tap any key to get the "login:" prompt
[20:57] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: now, there's one gotchya I forgot to mention here, we have to tell xrandr where to find the GUI session!
[20:58] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: to do that you need, befofre running xrandr, to do "export DISPLAY=:0"
[20:59] <Sven_vB> that acer switch is so strange. it even discriminates which slot of my USB hub I put the live session thumb drive, and which brand of thumb drive I use.
[21:01] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: sorry it's getting late here, could you give me the command to run and I'm try it?, I'm still on irc on the phone
[21:01] <Sven_vB> Bundestrojaner, I'd use the "ubuntu-drivers" command. use --help to see commands
[21:01] <Sven_vB> Bundestrojaner, I usually just run sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall && sudo reboot
[21:05] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: that didn't work though :)
[21:06] <LaserAllan_> TJ-: are you here in a few hours?
[21:07] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: I'm wondering if the problem is the USB link doesn't have enough bandwidth
[21:07] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: I shan't be here much longer
[21:08] <LaserAllan_> But that shouldn't be the case?
[21:08] <LaserAllan_> It works in Windows
[21:08] <LaserAllan_> So that shouldn't be the cause
[21:08] <lle-bout> hey, I'm trying to modify the live cd for Ubuntu 18.04 with Cubic, what is the username of the live user?
[21:08] <TJ-> LaserAllan_: right, but that doesn't mean it might not be an issue for Linux, if there's an issue with drivers
[21:09] <Sven_vB> lle-bout, "ubuntu"
[21:09] <lle-bout> Sven_vB: thanks, well it's not in /etc/passwd and doesnt have a home
[21:09] <Sven_vB> lle-bout, depending on what you're trying to do, it might be easier to ship another casper-rw
[21:09] <lle-bout> what is this?
[21:09] <Sven_vB> lle-bout, there's a startup task to add that user, in case you mess up with persistence.
[21:10] <Sven_vB> casper-rw is the file (or partition) where persistence data is stored.
[21:10] <lle-bout> hm okay
[21:10] <lle-bout> I'm making an educational Live CD
[21:10] <lle-bout> And I need to drop some things onto the desktop etc.
[21:11] <Sven_vB> oh ok, not sure how well casper-rw will work on a read-only medium. :D
[21:11] <Sven_vB> lle-bout, have you checked edubuntu?
[21:13] <lle-bout> Sven_vB: I just did; it looks quite outdated, anyways, it's educational in my own way, I'm not trying to teach generic academic stuff
[21:13] <Sven_vB> ok
[21:13] <lle-bout> All I need is to drop some files to the home directory
[21:14] <lle-bout> Of the live user
[21:14] <lle-bout> I'll have to dig where that ubuntu user is created
[21:14] <lle-bout> Do you happen to know what that startup task is?
[21:18] <TreyHarris> I'm on bionic 18.04.2 and I'd like to replace the system-supplied less pager program with one with PCRE support... the word "less" is hard to Google for, so I'm wondering if anyone can suggest the best way to go about this? Download less from source and do a checkinstall and/or use my PPA for a private build?
[21:20] <Sven_vB> lle-bout, nope, but I'll ask systemd
[21:20] <TreyHarris> Hah! I have one mostly built in my PPA upload directory last touched in 2017, with a note 'discovered I could install an apt, so just leaving this here in case it's helpful to crib off of for later'. Unfortunately, I didn't leave a note about what apt I discovered in 2017 (for xenial, I assume)
[21:22] <lle-bout> Sven_vB: /etc/casper.conf seems to contain the username
[21:24] <TreyHarris> I cannot figure out how to search for a PCRE-enabled less on Launchpad or something, sigh
[21:25] <Sven_vB> TreyHarris, maybe it'd be easier to just grep?
[21:26] <TreyHarris> Sven_vB: sure, is there a command that will give me a list of debs I can grep through?
[21:27] <Sven_vB> TreyHarris, hehe, I meant to grep for the search terms instead of using less
[21:27] <lle-bout> TreyHarris: download the latest sources from here, https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/less/?C=M;O=D - unpack, make sure you got build tools, then run "./configure --help" to figure out which option enables regex, run "./configure --option-name" then make -j $(nproc) and sudo make install
[21:27] <TreyHarris> Oh... no, where the lack of PCRE is hurting right now is when I'm reading very large manpages... the PCRE extensions make it easier to search for a term only in a section heading for instance
[21:27] <lle-bout> or you could use the deb-src of Ubuntu
[21:28] <Sven_vB> TreyHarris, how would you do that with pcre?
[21:28] <Sven_vB> maybe I can transform it to extended regexp for you
[21:30] <TreyHarris> Sven_vB: Oh, that's not the issue... it's just that things like \D vs [^0-9], \W vs something complicated, having to write "EXPR(EXPR)+" when "(EXPR{2,}" would do it in PCRE, etc. It's not impossibility, it's just pain
[21:30] <TreyHarris> (er, missing closing brackets there, but you get my drift)
[21:31] <Sven_vB> yeah
[21:31] <Sven_vB> actually someone should write an IME that converts it, if there isn't one yet.
[21:32] <Sven_vB> if you have a nice console-based text editor, you could try and use that as your man pager
[21:34] <TreyHarris> I'm generally using a terminal via tmux and Mosh, so... Ah, I see. Yes, I can already do that, but again, it's convenience, particularly since I so frequently refer to manpages side-by-side with the shell that I have a tmux key to open a sidebar with a man page. It could do that with emacsclient, but I could run my shells from Emacs, too, but I don't... some interfaces are just more well-suited to some things
[21:34] <TreyHarris> than others, for my brain at least
[21:35] <Sven_vB> you could probably make tmux translate \D to [^0-9]
[21:35] <hggdh> TreyHarris: you can doenload the source for less, and build it for PCRE
[21:35] <TreyHarris> Also in a terminal, Emacs doesn't display manpages with bold and underline and italics, which I find helpful.
[21:36] <Sven_vB> emacs should be able to do that.
[21:36] <TreyHarris> hggdh: I've already done so while we've been discussing this.
[21:36] <hggdh> TreyHarris: ./cofigure k
[21:36] <Sven_vB> probably just the TERM is configured in a wrong way
[21:36] <hggdh> urgh
[21:36] <hggdh> k
[21:36] <TreyHarris> Sven_vB: should, but doesn't. I have a bug open. It's specifically manpages, those work fine in other modes
[21:37] <Sven_vB> ok then
[21:46] <raidghost> Is there any known bugs with the VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) ?
[21:47] <raidghost> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is kicking in with inverting the colors on my screen as in "Native Old Movie films"
[21:48] <raidghost> Its a HP probook 650 G1
[21:50] <TJ-> raidghost: whats' the device ID? "lspci -nn -d ::0300!
[21:50] <raidghost> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06)
[21:51] <raidghost> did a search at google for the hp brand. it says the Graphical GPU is a Intel HD Graphics 4600
[21:51] <TJ-> raidghost: so "8086:0416" on 18.04; which kernel version? "uname -r"
[21:52] <raidghost> Linux probook 4.15.0-54-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 24 10:55:24 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:56] <TJ-> raidghost: so it is using the "i915" driver. Does this affect the text consoles or just the GUI?
[21:58] <raidghost> TJ-: Both
[21:58] <raidghost> Eeh. GUI if i use CTRL + ALT f keys it doesnt.
[21:59] <raidghost> So it seems to be GUI
[21:59] <TJ-> raidghost: OK, so, it's an Xorg (or Wayland) issue
[21:59] <TJ-> raidghost: does it affect the greeter dialog (where you enter log-in info) ?
[22:00] <raidghost> Some times. Not every time
[22:00] <raidghost> But the weird thing is: When i press sign out button. And it goes back to login info. Then the colors goes from bad to normal
[22:01] <TJ-> raidghost: so this could be mostly affecting the user's session only... how about creating a new user and logging in as that to test? if that user is OK we know the issue is a local user config setting
[22:01] <raidghost> it happends to all the users
[22:01] <raidghost> Not just one
[22:01] <TJ-> raidghost: really?
[22:01] <raidghost> yes
[22:02] <TJ-> raidghost: hmmm, so we need to know if the GUI is using a Wayland compositor or Xorg
[22:03] <raidghost> I wish there was a easy way to make something that TRIGGERED logging when the issue shows up. For to read and understand WHY it happends. But how do we figure out if its a wayland or Xorg?
[22:04] <TJ-> raidghost: try "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE"
[22:04] <raidghost> says X11
[22:05] <TJ-> raidghost: good, so we can check the Xorg log. Let's see if we can find it: "ls -l /var/log/Xorg*.log"
[22:05] <TJ-> raidghost: do you see something like Xorg.0.log ?
[22:08] <raidghost> ive got 4.
[22:08] <raidghost> Xorg.0.log 1 2 and failsafe
[22:09] <raidghost> Would you like me to pastebin it somewhere?
[22:10] <raidghost> The xorg.0.log ?
[22:14] <TJ-> raidghost: sorry, was elsewhere. yes, "pastebinit /var/log/xorg.0.log"
[22:16] <raidghost> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/szBJ6MRF6s/
[22:17] <cfoch> hi
[22:17] <cfoch> What distro would you recommend for a Pentium IV besides Xubuntu?
[22:18] <TJ-> raidghost: according to that, you're not using 18.04, but 16.04 "xorg-server 2:1.19.5-0ubuntu2~16.04.1"
[22:19] <raidghost> TJ-:
[22:20] <raidghost> Distributor ID:Ubuntu
[22:20] <raidghost> Description:Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[22:20] <raidghost> Release:	18.04
[22:20] <raidghost> Codename:	bionic
[22:20] <TJ-> raidghost: well, Xorg says not, so you've got a set of broken packages most likely, which may explain the problem
[22:20] <raidghost> is what lsb_release -a says
[22:21] <TJ-> !info xorg-server xenial
[22:21] <TJ-> !info xserver-xorg xenial
[22:21] <TJ-> !info xserver-xorg bionic
[22:22] <TJ-> raidghost: it should be showing "xorg-server 2:1.19.6-1ubuntu4.3"
[22:22] <raidghost> Maybe i should try to reinstall 18.04 LTS
[22:23] <raidghost> And hope for no issue. But if it happends. it cant be any broken packages
[22:23] <TJ-> raidghost: I suspect you've got a package from a PPA there; what does "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg" report?
[22:23] <raidghost> TJ-: I paste it to you in pm. if okey
[22:24] <raidghost> or should i maybe make a pastebin
[22:25] <raidghost> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9yJRnv7T4T/
[22:26] <pragmaticenigma> raidghost: It is preferred that you use pastebin and avoid using PM. Other volunteers can't verify if you're receiving accurate help, and the help you receive may benefit others
[22:26] <TJ-> raidghost: OK, and now show us "pastebinit <( apt list -a xserver-xorg-core )"
[22:27] <raidghost> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xSHgYdFHBm/
[22:28] <TJ-> raidghost: oh! just noticed, that Xorg.0.log is from "Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Aug 29 00:26:51 2018"  --- are you using Ubuntu/Gnome desktop ?
[22:29] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: can you remind me where the per-use Xorg log is stored for Gnome?
[22:29] <TJ-> raidghost: that log file looks like from before the system was upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 so its out of date
[22:30] <raidghost> TJ-: using unity
[22:30] <TJ-> raidghost: right so we need to find where the Xorg log is stored; I don't use unity/gnome so can never recall where the log is stored
[22:31] <raidghost> TJ-: is it okey if we do more tomorrow? My girlfriend just made dinner. She dont want it to be cold.
[22:32] <raidghost> Late dinner. I know:P
[22:32] <raidghost> Its 00:32AM
[22:36] <raidghost> thanks for help;) bbl
[22:38] <TJ-> raidghost: good luck with it :)
[22:48] <r4u1> Hi
[22:55] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[22:57] <Sven_vB> my microSD card slot still only works read-only, even if I set hdparm -r0. any ideas? I was unable to test whether it's a hardware problem because windows didn't have drivers for it.
[22:58] <Sven_vB> I'm using a bionic live session on an Acer Aspire SW5-012
[22:58] <TJ-> Sven_vB: is it an MMC controller port?
[22:59] <Sven_vB> yes, it appears as /dev/mmcblk2. /dev/mmcblk1 is the internal SSD.
[22:59] <Sven_vB> I have write access to the SSD
[23:00] <TJ-> Sven_vB: OK, so in theory the mmc tooling ought to be able to give you some visibility into the RO status
[23:00] <Sven_vB> write access in both cases means, be able to create more partitions in free space.
[23:00] <Sven_vB> how do I query that?
[23:01] <TJ-> Sven_vB: "sudo mmc  writeprotect get /dev/mmcblk0"
[23:02] <Sven_vB> looks like I need to install some package first
[23:02] <Sven_vB> ah, mmc-utils
[23:05] <Sven_vB> looks like writeprotect expects another argument, boot or user
[23:07] <Sven_vB> TJ-, the upper part is the SSD for comparison. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dfnS5FTSnb/
[23:08] <coffeecow> Hello. I was wondering how many of you use the default password manager/keyring (seahorse) vs. KeePassXC and why. I've heard Seahorse isn't "secure?"
[23:09] <Sven_vB> I just prefer KeePassX because it annoys me less.
[23:09] <vadique> which tense is that: "I was trying to help, you were being an ass." -- ``were being''
[23:10] <Sven_vB> I'd guess past progressive
[23:11] <TJ-> Sven_vB: how about "grep . /sys/block/mmcblk2/force_ro"
[23:11] <ayekat> vadique: past continuous
[23:12] <Sven_vB> TJ-, "0"
[23:12] <coffeecow> I'm wondering what Seahorse is like when it comes to being backed up. I like that KeePassXC is a file I'm hyper aware of. I'm guessing Sehorse keeps its DB in .local or something.... I've been using Seahorse *and* KeePassXC and honestly mostly KeePassXC (Seahorse doesn't seem to want to remember individual site logins? It's a little annoying that I'd then need TWO keyrings, one for Firefox internally and one for my system). However, I do
[23:12] <coffeecow> like that Seahorse actually integrates with everything, e.g., ssh keys, so seamlessly.
[23:13] <TJ-> Sven_vB: hmmm, then I assume the device has a hardware RO/RW controol
[23:13] <TJ-> Sven_vB: is this an SDcard in a slot on the device?
[23:14] <Sven_vB> TJ-, that would be bad. because I can't see any knob on it. just a tiny slot for the microSD card, and microSD cards don't support write protect indication.
[23:14] <TJ-> Sven_vB: right... I'm wondering if the underlying MMC controller driver has a kernel param to toggle/flip the logic
[23:15] <TJ-> Sven_vB: can you find the MMC controller with "lspci -nn" ?
[23:15] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if so, "lspci -nnk" to find out the kernel module
[23:17] <Sven_vB> nope, nothing in there looks like memory card
[23:17] <Sven_vB> also nothing in lsusb. I'll try to find it in lshw
[23:17] <TJ-> Sven_vB: possibly on USB then? "ls -l /sys/block/mmcblk2/"
[23:18] <TJ-> Sven_vB: possibly on USB then? "ls -l /sys/block/mmcblk2" even
[23:18] <Sven_vB> symlink to ../devices/platform/80860F14:01/mmc_host/mmc2/mmc2:59b4/block/mmcblk2
[23:19] <Sven_vB> there's a /sys/block/mmcblk2/ro it says "1"
[23:19] <TJ-> Sven_vB: aha! a platform device
[23:19] <TJ-> Sven_vB: yes, and ro is read-only so you can't change it there
[23:19] <Sven_vB> I could hdparm -r0, didn't do it since reboot
[23:19] <TJ-> Sven_vB: "80860F14:01" suggests an ACPI platform device, so I'm wondering if the acpi_osi= workaround will help
[23:21] <TJ-> Sven_vB: the MMC device I have here is on the PCI bus so can't compare to that
[23:21] <Sven_vB> I'm in the mood for experiments :)
[23:22] <TJ-> Sven_vB: try acpi_osi= then
[23:22] <Sven_vB> as a kernel param after "persistent"?
[23:23] <TJ-> Sven_vB: see https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[23:23] <Sven_vB> ok
[23:23] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if you're using a Live-ISO you'll need to follow the manual steps to identify the correct value and add it manually to the kernel command-line
[23:23] <Sven_vB> I'll read
[23:25] <Sven_vB> well, it shipped with windows 10 so should I try that?
[23:25] <TJ-> Sven_vB: it boils down to "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | sort | tail -1" in most cases
[23:25] <Sven_vB> I never heard of Windows 2015 before
[23:26] <Sven_vB> oh ok  then 2013
[23:26] <TJ-> Sven_vB: then adding to the kernel command-line: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" where XXXX is the year
[23:27] <Sven_vB> yeah found that :) that syntax looks really strange compared to C-like languages
[23:28] <Sven_vB> oh it's actually 2 params
[23:28] <TJ-> Sven_vB: the =! simply clears out the kernel's in-built list so none of those can match, then adds just the 'best' string for your hardware, so only it can match
[23:28] <Sven_vB> yeah it would be easier to see if you quote the ! as well
[23:28] <TJ-> the quotes are only there due to the space in 'Windows XXXX'
[23:29] <TJ-> as you probably know, command-line arguments are space-separated, and as that is all one argument, it has to be quoted
[23:29] <Sven_vB> yep, they're not required for machine readability, just helps humans :) I guess they're allowed even if useless
[23:29] <Sven_vB> required for the ! I mean
[23:34] <RingtailedFox> heya guys!  a friend of mine updated his video card drivers to the proprietary ones from nvidia, and how his screen's a bit dimmer than before.. how do we fix that for him?
[23:35] <RingtailedFox> he's on 18.04.2 LTS
[23:35] <Sven_vB> RingtailedFox, I'd check if they have a config utility to adjust colors.
[23:36] <RingtailedFox> mkay
[23:36] <TJ-> RingtailedFox: if the proprietary drivers are installed then use the nvidia-settings application to configure
[23:42] <RingtailedFox> ok