[00:46] <Sven_vB> with "Windows 2013" and "Windows 2012", I can't find the microSD at all. =)
[00:46] <Sven_vB> I'll try even older ones
[01:09] <bilb_ono> on ubuntu 18.04 in my system settings I have “automatic suspend” set to “off”. However if I wait 10 minutes or so, it still suspends (the screen goes blank, when I touch something I have to sign in again)
[01:10] <bilb_ono> I want this to never happen ever.
[01:10] <bilb_ono> what else do I do?
[01:13] <pragmaticenigma> bilb_ono: "automatic suspend" is a power saving feature for the computer as a whole. There is also a display power saving setting, which triggers a session lock, which is what you are seeing
[01:14] <bilb_ono> oh
[01:15] <bilb_ono> ok. so bigger picture , I am trying to install plexmediaserver on my comp. I am picturing that every time a machine wants to access it (to stream a video) it will need to be awake and running
[01:15] <bilb_ono> what do I need to do to make sure its awake and running
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> bilb_ono: those settings are all availble in the "power" applet in the settings control panel. If you have disabled those features there, the computer will remain on. The behavior your describing I believe is located under the "screen" applet in the control panel, those settings will not turn off the CPU/Computer as a whole
[01:24] <bilb_ono> ok thanks
[02:24] <makey> anybody around
[02:24] <Sveta> sometimes
[02:24] <Sveta> why do you ask?
[02:25] <leftyfb> !ask | makey
[02:26] <makey> i'm trying to iso boot ubuntu 18.04 lts server off grub...in case anyone here knows
[02:28] <makey> okay tks leftyfb
[02:28] <Bashing-om> makey: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot .
[02:30] <makey> been there Bashing-om . desktop iso works as advertised but not server. i am hoping to achieve loading ubuntu server entirely in ram from a usb stick...
[02:32] <Bashing-om> makey: Sorry, not been there myself - can not say :(
[02:33] <makey> =L
[05:27] <jpuntu> Hello everyone... I have a few questions, please let me know if this is not the place.
[05:28] <jpuntu> I have 2 HP DL360 server with Dell MD3000i. I installed Ubuntu 18.04 LTS into one of them and able to connect to MD Storage with iscsi initiator...
[05:28] <jpuntu> what is the best practice to have shared storage between servers?
[05:32] <jpuntu> nop? nada? nothing? nneeeeee
[05:49] <yhm12345> mount a common dir ?
[05:50] <yhm12345> i am sorry , i made a mistake
[06:57] <MRD365> Hi
[06:57] <Sveta> hi MRD365
[06:58] <MRD365> Am from Indonesia are you?
[06:59] <Sveta> no, i speak russian and english only
[07:00] <Sveta> i haven't been to indonesia before
[07:00] <Sveta> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[07:09] <MRD365> Ok
[07:09] <MRD365>  ok
[07:34] <kadz> Hi. I have a Dockerfile that uses Ubuntu 14.04 as the base image. I have a python package that depends on me using Python 2.7.10 but the system Python for Ubuntu is 2.7.6. How would I go about installing a newer version of Python? Ideally I'd like to do apt-get install.
[07:40] <gde33> my touchpad is driving me insane trying to type.
[07:41] <gde33> the laptop is pretty slow, I cant tell if the inpt field lost focus or if the box is frozen
[07:41] <gde33> Im on lubuntu
[07:41] <gde33> I have a mouse hooked up
[07:45] <ayekat> kadz: update to a supported version of ubuntu - 14.04 isn't supported anymore
[07:46] <ayekat> kadz: and more generally, you typically can't upgrade to newer versions of software in the same release - that's just the concept of stable releases :-)
[07:49] <geirha> Also, why not base it on a python image instead?
[07:51] <gde33> the web pages I found about disabling the trackpad are all very old, I tried to install an app that autodetects if a mouse is plugged in but it refused to install
[07:52] <gde33> what is the right lubuntu way to do this?
[07:55] <gde33> o well, ill just put tape over it like the webcam
[07:59] <ayekat> gde33: does your laptop not have a key to disable the touchpad?
[08:00] <ayekat> alternatively, some laptop models can also disable the touchpad in the firmware (EFI/BIOS)
[08:03] <tomreyn> gde33: as always when asking such questions, it is very useful to discuss which ubuntu version you're using, and which graphical desktop. this can tell both:  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[08:43] <kadzpo> geirha I'll check if there's a python image that uses ubuntu as a base. Thanks.
[08:44] <geirha> If not ubuntu, there's probably a debian based one
[08:58] <Bob-Obo> Transfer rate is extremely slow, at only about 3mb/s. I thought USB 3.0 was supposed to be very fast, why is mine so slow? Is there any way to make it faster transfer speed? [SATA SSD, formatted as NTSF, connected via USB 3.0 external enclosure, transferring to Msata SSD, NTSF, installed in internal secondary drive bay, storage only, no OS]
[08:59] <mjayk> Bob-Obo: everything in the chain must be able to suppor the speeds, you should try to locate your bottle neck
[09:04] <Bob-Obo> mjayk: thanks for the reply. How would I troubleshoot that? [still a novice here]
[09:06] <mjayk> Bob-Obo: basically replace things. I.e. do you have a USB 3.0 memory stick that you can test. Can you try a different port can you try a different enclosure etc etc.
[09:07] <Bob-Obo> So there's no commands to run any kind of tests, etc?
[09:09] <mjayk> Bob-Obo: What would you be wanting to test though
[09:10] <EriC^^> Bob-Obo: you could check "dmesg" for any errors or run a smart test on the ssd i guess
[09:10] <tomreyn> NTFS will make things slow (though not necessarily this slow, unless it's many small files), consider using a better supproted file system.
[09:10] <EriC^^> i'd try a usb3 device to make sure the port works right, and then get another usb3 enclosure or something or just put the ssd straight into the sata
[09:15] <Bob-Obo> Ok so I just ran 'dmesg', gave me a rather large result, not sure how to decipher it. How do I share the result here? [pastebin?]
[09:15] <EriC^^> Bob-Obo: what's the name of the ssd? /dev/sdb etc? check "sudo parted -ls" for the name then try "dmesg | grep sdb" or whatever name you get
[09:16] <thsnr> Bob-Obo: just to be sure, can you double-check that the enclosure is connected to a usb3 port?
[09:22] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: dmesg | pastebinit
[09:24] <tomreyn> this will submit the full (though possibly shortened, if longer than the websites' limit) kernel log to paste.ubuntu.com
[09:27] <jizzle> hi is this also a channel for ubuntu server users?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> jizzle: its allowed, but there are also alot of experts in #ubuntu-server
[09:27] <jizzle>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY jizzle-con m4r154##
[09:27] <Bob-Obo> thsnr: yes, all ports on here are 3.0
[09:28] <jizzle> fuck
[09:29] <jizzle> so.. changed the pw
[09:30] <Bob-Obo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PGFtZzvGb7/
[09:36] <Bob-Obo> transferring from sdc to sda
[09:37] <Bob-Obo> Results of "dmesg | grep sdc" = http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6D2D54RBnS/
[09:44] <EriC^^> Bob-Obo: try googling an error to see what comes up
[10:28] <Bob-Obo> EriC^^: what do you mean? Can you be more specific please?
[10:31] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: your log showed error messages regarding /dev/sdc which will cause serious data transfer problems
[10:33] <Bob-Obo> hmm.. I dont know how to read any of that data. Im just a new linux user, non-programmer. Just an avg joe.
[10:40] <tomreyn> Bob-Obo: we enither, we can just search the web as well. it would be good to have more information, such as how this drive identifies itself.this may provide this information:   disconnect what was connected to usb and became the sdc drive. then run     udevadm monitor -k    in a terminal, then connect this usb device. then wait a few seconds and press ctrl-c to return to the shell. then post any output printed there.
[10:40] <juanonymous> i have a quick question, how do you grant file permission in ubuntu?
[10:40] <juanonymous> like this one - Tcl error [::DuckHunt::update_nickchange_tracking]: couldn't open "scripts/duck_hunt/database/pending_transfers.db": permission denied
[10:41] <juanonymous> i need to grant permission on the folder database
[10:41] <juanonymous> i did chmod +x scripts/duck_hunt/database
[10:41] <juanonymous> but it did not solve the problem
[10:43] <rory> juanonymous: you are running CloudBot right?
[10:43] <tomreyn> juanonymous: the user executing this script must be able to do so. if this is *your* user, then you already solved this part. however, the user executing this script must also be allowed to enter the directory this script is stored in. that's the other condition which must be satisfied.
[10:43] <rory> juanonymous: the user who is running CloudBot needs to have permissions to write to that file. Changing the executable bit won't sort it. You probably want to run "chown -R username: /path/to/cloudbot" where "username" is the name of the user running cloudbot
[10:44] <tomreyn> oh right, that's a database, not a script, sorry.
[10:44] <rory> juanonymous: if you're in doubt, share the output of "ls -l /path/to/scripts/duck_hunt/databases" in a pastebin
[10:45] <juanonymous> will do
[10:45] <tomreyn> still the need to be able to access the directory still applies.
[10:45] <juanonymous> one moment
[10:45] <rory> what user is running the cloudbot process? "ps aux | grep -i cloudbot" - first column is username
[10:45] <tomreyn> i think it's  "ls -l /path/to/scripts/duck_hunt/database"
[10:46] <rory> well whatever
[10:46] <tomreyn> (singular, not plural 'database'
[10:46] <rory> but yeah you are right
[10:48] <rory> juanonymous: "chmod +x scripts/duck_hunt/database" will only set permissions on the directory, not the files within it. So it would allow listing the directory contents only.
[10:49] <rory> that is a special meaning of +x executable bit, that applies to directories. since executing a directory doesn't make sense.
[10:50] <juanonymous> https://termbin.com/1a88
[10:51] <rory> juanonymous: OK so it's all owned as root.
[10:51] <rory> juanonymous:  what user is running the cloudbot process? "ps aux | grep -i cloudbot" - first column is username
[10:51] <rory> juanonymous: (assuming it is cloudbot)
[10:52] <juanonymous> it's hoy
[10:52] <juanonymous> username is hoy
[10:52] <rory> "hoy" is the username? If so, you need to just make all those files owned by "hoy" like so:
[10:52] <rory> sudo chown -Rv hoy:hoy /path/to/cloudbot
[10:53] <rory> as, by design, "hoy" user usually can't modify files owned by root
[10:53] <juanonymous> what does -Rv means btw?
[10:53] <juanonymous> sorry
[10:53] <rory> -R means recursive, enter all subdirectories
[10:53] <rory> -v just menas verbose, print what it's doing
[10:53] <rory> be careful youdon't typo the path
[10:53] <juanonymous> oh i see
[10:53] <juanonymous> verbrose
[10:53] <rory> because "sudo chown -R" will happily go over your entire filesystem if you accidenally tell it to
[10:55] <rory> after you run that, you can run "ls -l" again and you should see the directory "database" owned by hoy now
[10:55] <rory> you can test by trying to create file in that directory as "hoy" user using "touch" command. prior to running chown, you would have got permission denied error.
[10:55] <rory> or just run cloudbot of course
[10:57] <rory> chown shouldn't take that long
[11:00] <ANAND> Hello! I'm afraid this one's trivial, but I just wanted to double-check that my guess is right - the mv command can move *and* rename at the same time, right?
[11:00] <ANAND> e.g. mv image.png ../renamed.png
[11:00] <EriC^^> ANAND: correct
[11:00] <ANAND> Ok, thanks! :)
[11:01] <ANAND> Have a great day
[11:15] <juanonymous> thanks
[11:16] <juanonymous> it's all good now
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:18] <Sven_vB> hi
[13:25] <BluesKaj> o/
[13:31] <Shibe> is ubuntu on kernel 5.1 yet?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> no
[14:17] <jil> hello
[14:18] <jil> how do I ensure that my clock is synced with NTP ?
[14:20] <mgedmin> jil: service systemd-timesyncd status ?
[14:20] <tomreyn> jil: on a default ubuntu installation, this should already be the case. if you disabled it,    timedatectl set-ntp true
[14:25] <jil> I get an error with a programm make resquest to a rest sever.  one git issus suggest to check the clock syncronization and to set the time server to time.nist.gov
[14:25] <jil> but I see that ntpdate should help
[14:25] <B|ack0p> ubuntu launches some apps very slow. it takes 20-30 seconds to open
[14:26] <jil> no, I get the error from a python function making a request to an only service.
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> !details | B|ack0p
[14:29] <B|ack0p> ok
[14:29] <B|ack0p> for example vscode and spotify is launching very very late
[14:30] <B|ack0p> maybe snap apps launching slow?
[14:30] <jadax> Do you know how I can get notepad++ for Ubuntu 18.04?
[14:30] <B|ack0p> jadax: search in ubuntu store
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: Both of those applications operate inside of Snaps, which is a containered environment. Performance issues would have to be addressed by their respective development teams.
[14:30] <tomreyn> jil: i assume B|ack0p was not responding to you there, but stating a separate issue they're trying to get help with.
[14:30] <mgedmin> B|ack0p: a 20-30 second delay screams "DNS problem" to me
[14:30] <mgedmin> but don't take it as gospel
[14:31] <B|ack0p> jadax: https://snapcraft.io/notepad-plus-plus
[14:31] <tomreyn> jil: which ubuntu version are you using, are all updates installed, are you running a recent kernel?
[14:31] <B|ack0p> mgedmin: hmm
[14:31] <jadax> B|ack0p I normally use just apt-get, snap is alternative to apt-get, right?
[14:32] <B|ack0p> jadax: yes
[14:32] <jadax> I don't want to maintain two separate package managers
[14:32] <jadax> is that how people do it these days?
[14:32] <tomreyn> jil: and does the time reported by     timedatectl status     seem correct?
[14:32] <EriC^^> i try to use apt only
[14:32] <mgedmin> yes and no: both can be used to install software, but they install from different package archives so the selection of things (and versions) you can install with apt vs snap is different
[14:32] <ioria> B|ack0p, snaps are slow  due to a font-caching issue (but should be fixed soon)
[14:33] <mgedmin> when something is not available through apt-get, I'm quite happy to install it via snap
[14:33] <B|ack0p> ioria: well today i received some updates about font-caching issue..
[14:33] <B|ack0p> also i got an error while opening firefox
[14:33] <B|ack0p> vs code and spotify killing me really waiting to open
[14:34] <ioria> B|ack0p, should be fixed soon (not right now :þ)
[14:34] <B|ack0p> and i dont understand if i clicked properly because circle doesnt turn when i click
[14:34] <B|ack0p> normally when i click on an icon circle suppose to turn to show the process :p
[14:34] <B|ack0p> ioria: ok i wait
[14:35] <B|ack0p> i prefer to use apt but some doesnt have that.. so i had to install via snap
[14:36] <B|ack0p> i think ubuntu should find a way to make it only 1 installation type
[14:36] <B|ack0p> snap with store or apt-get without store
[14:36] <B|ack0p> with store it feels commercial line iOS or Google play
[14:36] <ioria> B|ack0p, gnome-software probably will drop snaps
[14:36] <B|ack0p> i prefer apt-get without store
[14:37]  * mgedmin carefully refrains from mentioning that he also installs some tools with cargo install, pip install, and gem install
[14:37] <B|ack0p> ioria: perfect! hope they drop soon
[14:37] <OerHeks> why only 1 installation type, freedom!
[14:37] <EriC^^> snap has some security benefits as well no?
[14:37] <B|ack0p> mgedmin: good for you :p i dont know what they are lol
[14:38] <mgedmin> cans of worms, basically
[14:38] <B|ack0p> OerHeks: if u mention about freedom why dont we install .exe too? :p
[14:38] <OerHeks> snaps is like a ppa, trust the maintainer
[14:38] <mgedmin> wine installwizard.exe
[14:38] <B|ack0p> not all
[14:38] <OerHeks> well, it is not the right channel for a flamewar, B|ack0p
[14:38] <B|ack0p> ok ok
[14:38] <OerHeks> lets get back to support, thanks
[14:38] <B|ack0p> sorry
[14:39] <B|ack0p> i got excited :p
[14:39] <TJ-> shame snap didn't :p
[14:39] <B|ack0p> but this is not freedom lol
[14:40] <B|ack0p> is vscode snap? i think i installed it via apt-get
[14:40] <B|ack0p> i dont remember..
[14:40] <TJ-> mgedmin: I think the core difference is, when trying to give support, cargo/pip/gem don't integrate into software centre, so operators shouldn't be mislead into believing what is installed is supported (by Ubuntu community)
[14:42] <B|ack0p> ubuntu is buggy today :/
[14:43] <B|ack0p> i received update "libexiv2-14
[14:43] <B|ack0p> whatever it is
[14:45] <mgedmin> sounds like a library for extracting the metadata from JPEG files
[14:45] <TJ-> !info libexiv2
[14:45] <B|ack0p> hmm
[14:46] <TJ-> !info libexiv2-14
[14:46] <TJ-> ha, thought the -14 was the debian package version number
[14:46] <B|ack0p> still no idea .p
[14:47] <TJ-> lots of packages reverse-depend on that one ("apt-cache rdepends libexiv2-14")
[14:47] <B|ack0p> ok
[15:03] <dbrass> I'm trying to find how to fill the password prompt for full disk encryption with LUKS on LVM with the Nvidia driver. I get a low resolution image of the prompt but text appears over the image as I type. Is there a kernel parameter like nomodeset that needs to be used?
[15:08] <dbrass> I'm trying to use the VGA port on a thinkpad W530 and I need to switch to discrete graphic only so I need to be able to boot using the Nvidia proprietary driver.
[15:17] <tomreyn> dbrass: about the dm-crypt/luks prompt, this can be bug 1638983
[15:18] <TJ-> dbrass: you should just be able to type the pass-phrase blind
[15:19] <tomreyn> also GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text may help https://askubuntu.com/questions/898444/how-to-enable-text-mode-luks-passphrase-prompt-on-boot#answers
[15:21] <TJ-> just remove "splash" from the kernel command-line at boot
[15:22] <TJ-> dbrass: actually, the plymouth initrd.img scripts look for nosplash*|plymouth.enable=0
[15:22] <TJ-> dbrass: so add "nosplash" and remove "splash" and you should get a text mode
[15:23] <dbrass> Thanks, I'll have a look at these options
[15:24] <B|ack0p> is it safe to add OpenPGP and SSH Keys in launchpad?
[15:24] <tomreyn> public keys, yes
[15:25] <B|ack0p> i hide my email but when somebody clicks on my PGP it shows my email
[15:25] <B|ack0p> in my launchpad profile
[15:25] <TJ-> good reason to use one email address per target
[15:26] <B|ack0p> i cant have many email per target
[15:26] <tomreyn> not even with a plus character?
[15:27] <B|ack0p> how?
[15:27] <tomreyn> myadrress@somedoma,in -> myaddre4ss+launchpadonly@somedoma.in
[15:28] <tomreyn> and now without the typos: myaddress@somedoma,in -> myaddress+launchpadonly@somedoma.in
[15:28] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: it means i have to get another email
[15:28] <tomreyn> whether this +something is available depends on your e-mail host and whether they implement such standards, though
[15:29] <TJ-> B|ack0p: it depends on your receiving MTA; most mail services support this (it is called address tagging), but if like me you run your own MTA you can configure Postfix etc. to do it too
[15:29] <dbrass> quit
[15:30] <B|ack0p> unfortunately i am using common email host services..
[15:30] <TJ-> In Postfix the character(s) are set via recipent_delimiter: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#recipient_delimiter
[15:30] <B|ack0p> TJ-:  u mean Alias?
[15:30] <TJ-> B|ack0p: easy to test; get someone to send you an email at "yourname+testing@yourdomain.com" and see if you receive it
[15:31] <B|ack0p> TJ-: even it is gmail?
[15:31] <TJ-> B|ack0p: I'm almost certain GMail supports it, in fact it was the service that made it popular I think
[15:32] <B|ack0p> what about Outlook?
[15:32] <TJ-> B|ack0p: I think this covers it, from 2008, https://gmail.googleblog.com/2008/03/2-hidden-ways-to-get-more-from-your.html
[15:32] <B|ack0p> i dont have gmail
[15:33] <tomreyn> maybe ask about what you have then ;)
[15:33] <B|ack0p> i m using Outlook
[15:33] <B|ack0p> actually if there is linux friendly free email provider i am happy to use it
[15:34] <B|ack0p> i found disroot.org but not much usefull
[15:34] <TJ-> B|ack0p: yes, see https://www.ghacks.net/2013/09/17/can-now-use-email-aliases-outlook-com/
[15:36] <tomreyn> there is no friendly free email provider. either you trade in your privacy, or they are donation based.
[15:37] <cmrabet> How can I force dpkg to install the same package and version again overwriting the previous one OR install a new version without deleting the files that were there before? Thanks.
[15:37] <de-facto> Any experience with Asmedia-ASM1351 USB to SATA bridge chipset? Does it work properly with UASP/TRIM etc?
[15:37] <TJ-> cmrabet: "sudo apt --reinstall install <package>"
[15:38] <cmrabet> TJ-, I'm using dpkg, I wrote a system program that calls it. I can't use apt-get
[15:39] <TJ-> cmrabet: so "dpkg --install <package>" ?
[15:39] <cmrabet> TJ-, that doesn't seem to overwrite the files if the version of the package is the same as the one already installed
[15:39] <de-facto> cmrabet, did you "man dpkg"? there are loads of options to choose from
[15:40] <cmrabet> TJ-, if the versions are different, then yes, dpkg does install, but the problem is that it removes any files that existed in the previous one. I guess what I need is "incremental" updates.
[15:41] <cmrabet> I'm generating deb packages that contain "additions" to the previous versions, rather than the whole software over and over with new changes.
[15:41] <cmrabet> "additions" or "changes" to the previous versions.
[15:41] <TJ-> cmrabet: you mean package deltas?
[15:41] <hortiel> ihi
[15:41] <hortiel> what is preformatted text means in librewriter?
[15:42] <hortiel> in what way it's removes the formatting
[15:42] <cmrabet> TJ-, aha, I don't know what that is, but I'll research, package deltas?
[15:43] <TJ-> !info debdelta | cmrabet are you using the existing tooling?
[15:43] <Ozi> How do i install "wine:i386"??
[15:44] <cmrabet> TJ, thanks
[15:44] <TJ-> cmrabet: e.fg. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/debdelta.1.html
[15:44] <tomreyn> Ozi: sudo apt update && sudo apt install wine:i386
[15:44] <Ozi> thanks tomreyn
[15:44] <tomreyn> Ozi: depending on the ubuntu version you're on, this will return an erro message with additional instructions
[15:46] <tomreyn> hortiel: i'm not sure whether this applies to the librewriter context, but normally 'preformatted' text is text displayed in a monospaced font, a font where all characters display with the same width.
[15:46] <cmrabet> TJ-, I think dpkg has flags for what I want to do, --update-avail and --merge-avail
[15:48] <tomreyn> hortiel: within a preformatted section, you'd also expect that other text formats are ignored while 'preformatting' applies. basically, text is displayed as it would have been before (pre) formatting it.
[15:49] <TJ-> cmrabet: I don't think so, those are deprecated methods of updating the 'available' database of package control info
[15:52] <hortiel> how do I get table of content which I canclick to go to that chapter without scroolling
[15:53] <TJ-> hortiel: https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Creating_a_Table_of_Contents
[15:54] <TJ-> hortiel: preformatted text is a monospaced font so columns on all rows align; it's part of the support for HTML PRE element
[15:57] <hortiel> coulmns in tables?
[15:58] <TJ-> hortiel: no, the columns in text
[16:00] <B|ack0p> i deleted PGP and trying to create new key in Passwords and Keys but it doesnt create
[16:00] <B|ack0p> what can i do?
[16:00] <B|ack0p> ah done
[16:01] <B|ack0p> it was slow
[16:03] <B|ack0p> ubuntu is buggy today
[16:03] <B|ack0p> slow running and apps crashing
[16:03] <B|ack0p> cant open thunderbird now
[16:03] <OerHeks> seems like your system only, B|ack0p
[16:03] <B|ack0p> yes my ubuntu system
[16:03] <B|ack0p> Thunderbird is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Thunderbird process, or restart your system.
[16:04] <tomreyn> either wait for it to close properly, or run     killall thunderbird
[16:05] <tomreyn> or, worst case, accepting data loss:  killall -9 thunderbird
[16:05] <B|ack0p> opened now after several crashes
[16:05] <B|ack0p> now addon doesnt work
[16:05] <B|ack0p> Enigmail
[16:05] <tomreyn> looks like your system generally behaves unstable, maybe try to solve this first of all
[16:05] <tomreyn> that's not a good foundation to build on.
[16:06] <B|ack0p> how build on?
[16:06] <B|ack0p> brb
[16:06] <tomreyn> check your system logs, make sure there are no critical errors
[16:06] <B|ack0p> maybe i should reboot
[16:06] <B|ack0p> ok logs first
[16:08] <OerHeks> so, you messed around with keys, now a 3rd party plugin is bugging you?
[16:09] <B|ack0p> probably
[16:09] <B|ack0p> ok message popped up about mozilla
[16:09] <B|ack0p> to report
[16:11] <B|ack0p> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X6Tr2YTddm/
[16:12] <OerHeks> after changing keys,  it is logical to restart thunderbird, no?
[16:15] <B|ack0p> ok
[16:15] <hortiel> i couldn't do it,what do they mean by that.
[16:15] <hortiel> The best way to generate a table of contents is to apply the predefined heading paragraph styles, such as "Heading 1", to the paragraphs that you want to include in your table of contents.
[16:16] <jil> tomreyn: my issue is settled too.  Thank you
[16:22] <wr> where can get ubuntu iso with bare system, no gnome?
[16:23] <TJ-> hortiel: maybe this will help more: https://libreofficehelp.com/add-table-of-contents-libreoffice-writer/
[16:23] <OerHeks> wr, server or mini iso?
[16:23] <wr> OerHeks, mini
[16:24] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:24] <wr> OerHeks, after said mini iso was on that link, but thanks
[16:24] <OerHeks> wr, mini iso is unsuitable for UEFI bios systems
[16:25] <wr> OerHeks, what DE will be the fastest and lowest resouce to install, i just need to do a test VM
[16:25] <wr> OerHeks, i dont have UEFI ye
[16:25] <wr> *yet
[16:25] <OerHeks> lubuntu, mate, xubuntu ..
[16:25] <wr> OerHeks, lower than lubuntu any?
[16:26] <OerHeks> maybe i3wm ?
[16:26] <OerHeks> xubuntu is pretty low on resources, for me
[16:27] <wr> OerHeks, the lowest i know is lubuntu, lower i think have to just use a WM
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> wr: low/lightest also depends on the hardware, sometimes the hardware runs better on a xubuntu for example
[16:28] <wr> lotuspsychje, in my all hardwares lubuntu always is lower and i have used it on three different pc's
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> wr: im just second OerHeks advice, xubuntu is also pretty low on resources
[16:35] <wr> lotuspsychje, prefer lubuntu, i have used xubuntu bfore
[16:37] <Sven_vB> TJ-, so far with acpi_osi settings I just got errors to the effect of "no such file /dev/mmcblk2". could it appear with other names?
[16:38] <B|ack0p> TJ-: thanks. i created mail alias
[16:38] <Antoine> Hello, I have just installed Ubuntu 19.10 on my laptop Acer aspire E1-571G. When I checked "secure boot", it wouldn't boot, it hanged after LSB something (sorry I forgot the exact thing). Now I unchecked secure boot and third party drivers as well and it boots but it says "Failed to start Switcheroo Control Proxy". Is this something I should worry about?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> Antoine: come join to #ubuntu+1 please
[16:39] <Antoine> lotuspsychje: Ok, why?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: have you been able to install on that acer?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> Antoine: 19.10 support is handled in #ubuntu+1
[16:39] <Antoine> Ok thanks
[16:39] <Antoine> Oh sorry my bad
[16:39] <Sven_vB> Antoine, I'm currently debugging an annoying Acer as well. with that one it's normal it seems to freeze for about a minute in regular startup; also yesterday it froze a bit earlier and longer, so I hard-reset it and it booted normally.
[16:40] <Antoine> Its Ubuntu 19.04, the latest from Ubuntu website, sorry
[16:40] <Sven_vB> lotuspsychje, haven't tried yet. I managed to boot GRUB from the HDD once, but couldn't reproduce yet.
[16:44] <Sven_vB> I just tested without the acpi_osi options, still can't see mmcblk2. maybe the card just unstuck.
[16:46] <Sven_vB> yeah. there goes one hour of testing wasted.
[16:52] <hortiel> TJ-: but ctrl+enter is not working insteading ctrl+click is? I'd like a cmd,...
[16:53] <hortiel> TJ-: I read your tutorial and succeeded but click is only working.
[16:54] <Tenkawa> is there anything in the plasma window manager that would qualify as the side by side multiple desktop switcher ie xfce?
[16:55] <Tenkawa> er plasma desktop world..
[16:55] <Tenkawa> a widget or add-on?
[16:56] <Tenkawa> closest one I've found so far seems to be pager and its a bit heavy
[17:01] <Sven_vB> hortiel, if OO becomes all too annoying, you could try switching to more text-based markups where you have full control over roles and layouts, e.g. HTML or TeX (I used LyX, https://www.lyx.org/Walkthrough)
[17:07] <Walex> An even simpler alternative is MarkDown, but it has several limitations.
[17:09] <Walex> Tenkawa: you can add one to the "sidebar" which is pretty much the same as the XFCE one
[17:10] <hortiel> Sven_vB: i came from emacs
[17:10] <hortiel> what is OO? it's LO libreoffice  not openoffice.
[17:11] <Tenkawa> oh? let me take a look
[17:11] <Sven_vB> hortiel, oh right, I still had the old name in mind.
[17:11] <hortiel> Shortcut Keys for Tables in LibreOffice Writer ... https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer
[17:13] <Tenkawa> Walex: thanks.. I'll take a look
[17:13] <Antoine> So can I safely ignore "Failed to start Switcheroo Control Proxy"?
[17:20] <OerHeks> known issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/switcheroo-control/+bug/1768988
[17:20] <OerHeks> make sure your bios version is up2date
[17:21] <OerHeks> if it still fails, disable secure boot, but that is a rough solution
[17:49] <Antoine> OerHeks: I think I can only disable secure boot by switching from uefi to legacy
[17:49] <Antoine> That might involve reinstalling, which I'd like to avoid
[18:22] <B|ack0p> now only issue is not existing Guest user --
[18:23] <B|ack0p> i cant imagine how stable win10 is working on my 10 yrs old thinkpad core2duo
[18:23] <B|ack0p> i mean more stable than win7 not ubuntu :p
[18:24] <B|ack0p> oh sorry wrong place
[18:25] <B|ack0p> dualboot is confusing sometimes :p
[18:40] <becool> i'm trying to locate a script that's creating sql dumps to a remote storage location. how do i find out where the script is?
[18:41] <lordcirth> becool, you could use the inotify tools to see what process opens the files.
[18:42] <lordcirth> But you could also grep through cron
[18:54] <becool> lordcirth: good suggestions
[19:00] <becool> nothing in local cron dirs. this script is on a remote system somewhere and i'm trying to trace where
[19:20] <coffeecow> Is there anyone here who prefers Seahorse over KeePassXC after trying them both?
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> coffeecow: come join in #ubuntu-discuss please
[19:29] <becool> lordcirth: how do i use inotify tools?
[19:31] <lordcirth> becool, hmm, I thought that inotify-wait could tell you the process that touched it, but it seems not?
[19:31] <JonelethIrenicus> I have a USB drive I got from a company
[19:31] <JonelethIrenicus> when i insert it
[19:31] <JonelethIrenicus> it types RR on linux
[19:31] <JonelethIrenicus> i imagine the person thought I would be on windows
[19:31] <JonelethIrenicus> why is it doing this?
[19:31] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, what do you mean it types RR? You mean it shows up as a keyboard and sends keypresses?
[19:31] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: not sure
[19:31] <lordcirth> becool, however, if this script is running over ssh, you could monitor /var/log/auth.log?
[19:32] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: it would seem so
[19:32] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, that is a very suspicious thing for a USB stick to do.
[19:32] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: i agree, but i want to make sure
[19:32] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i get to the files on this?
[19:33] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, does it show up as a mass storage device at all?
[19:33] <lordcirth> lsblk -f
[19:34] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: thanks
[19:35] <Rochvellon> Hi, I've got a problem. there is somewhere a trigger in my system (desktop, xfce) that let crackle my audio periodically and if xfce4-volumed is active the osd volume appears then. what could it be? the first time this behaviour happend was as I pressed the volume up or down on my old keyboard but it happens with my new keyboard too
[19:35] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: no luck
[19:35] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, 'lsusb' - do you see a second keyboard?
[19:35] <sarnold> JonelethIrenicus: 'xev' can show you what the usb keyboard types when you plug it in
[19:35] <lordcirth> ^ also good
[19:36] <sarnold> lordcirth: and usbguard (and the corresponding qt applet! get it!) can authorize or not specific USB devices, to preven tthe keyboard from being *used*
[19:36] <sarnold> sogh.
[19:36] <sarnold> ffffffs
[19:36] <sarnold> JonelethIrenicus: ^^ see above message about usbguard and the qt applet! don't forget the applet.
[19:36] <lordcirth> That's cool, I will look into that!
[19:37] <sarnold> becool: bpfcc-tools may be helpful to you
[19:39] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I've now exhaused all candidate windows versions for acpi_osi=, all of them just yield "open: Read-only file system". :( any next ideas?
[19:41] <Tenkawa> Sven_vB: what ya working on?
[19:41] <Tenkawa> I missed the earlier details
[19:42] <Sven_vB> Tenkawa, trying to create a new partition in trailing free space on /dev/mmcblk2, which is a microSD card plugged into the internal microSD slot of an Acer SW5-012 running a bionic live session.
[19:42] <becool> i was able to locate the script
[19:42] <becool> thanks everyone
[19:43] <Sven_vB> Tenkawa, as a pre-step, we were trying to debug why it's read-only. the command that produced said error message is "sudo mmc writeprotect user get /dev/mmcblk2" and same for boot instead of user.
[19:43] <TJ-> Sven_vB: must be the device then
[19:44] <Tenkawa> Sven_vB: what device driver does it use
[19:44] <Tenkawa> do a dmesg | grep mmc and look for any messages about read only or errors
[19:45] <Tenkawa> from a terminal
[19:50] <Sven_vB> Tenkawa, can't find anything suspicious. some partitions on mmcblk1 are unclean but mmcblk1 is r/w so it shouldn't matter. http://paste.debian.net/plainh/c36578ad
[19:50] <Sven_vB> oh, actually, "(ro)" in "3.73 GiB (ro)"
[19:54] <Sven_vB> could it be the device needs a greeting from the official driver at least once? the windows that shipped on the SSD doesn't recognize the microSD slot, so I guess the official driver was never run, if such a driver even exists.
[19:58] <Sven_vB> there's a "Platform Drivers Installer" on https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/5547 , I'll try to install that in Windows.
[20:07] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: let me look one sec sarnold
[20:07] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: yes i do
[20:07] <JonelethIrenicus> 1111:2222
[20:08] <JonelethIrenicus> doesn't say keyboard though
[20:09] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, "1111:2222" isn't a real manufacturer code either. You've got a BadUSB firmware attack there.
[20:09] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: i think it is purposeful obfuscation by a company
[20:10] <JonelethIrenicus> Pandora International Ltd
[20:10] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, what legitimate reason would they have to give you a USB with hacked firmware?
[20:10] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: if they don't want you to look at the drives contents?
[20:11] <lordcirth> that's what encryption is for. Obfuscation at the drive controller level is absurd
[20:11] <lordcirth> (Which isn't to say that some PHB couldn't have ordered it)
[20:12] <JonelethIrenicus> i dont know it just got dropped in my lap
[20:16] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, you should probably ask whoever gave it to you why it has modified firmware, then.
[20:16] <lordcirth> JonelethIrenicus, did you try xev as mentioned above?
[20:16] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: they aren't gonna tell me or they do not know
[20:17] <JonelethIrenicus> not yet
[20:17] <lordcirth> try it. It's likely that the "RR" is just the printable portion of a longer string, probably involving Super+R (windows Run)
[20:19] <arpad2> hi there, I have problem that after nvidia driver is installed it is not in use on a nvidia optimus ubuntu system
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: wich chipset and driver version please?
[20:20] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: hi, how can I find this info?
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: sudo lshw -C video && ubuntu-devices
[20:21] <arpad2> lotuspsychje:
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[20:22] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rtmMcmysJX/
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: ubuntu-drivers list
[20:25] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: ubuntu-drivers list nvidia-driver-390 nvidia-340
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: ok tnx, doublecheck nvidia-settings now, to see if your its set on performance mode or powersaving mode
[20:26] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: lotuspsychje
[20:26] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/889ZytWkSP/
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: nvidia-settings has a GUI icon, could you try that?
[20:28] <jarnos> How do you report a bug in nouveau. I think I am using it, but ` ubuntu-bug nouveau` tells "dpkg-query: no packages found matching nouveau"
[20:28] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: PRIME profile: NVIDIA
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> jarnos: before filing bugs, we reccomend to ask your issue in this channel, maybe volunteers have a solution or idea
[20:29] <lordcirth> jarnos, "apt search nouveau" will tell you which package you are actually using
[20:29]  * Tenkawa falls over cleaning house
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: if nvidia(performance mode) is enabled, you should be good
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: thats what you wanted, to use nvidia?
[20:31] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: yes, so it will use the card when higher performance is needed?
[20:31] <arpad2> for instance in Steam games
[20:31] <jarnos> lordcirth, oh, or even better ` dpkg -l | grep nouveau`
[20:31] <lordcirth> that too
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: you can test yourself to switch betweent he 2
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> *between
[20:32] <Tenkawa> oh is it one of those optimus setups?
[20:32] <Tenkawa> (I think nvidia uses optimus)
[20:32] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: ok
[20:33] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: so that error message from terminal in nvidia-settings is not important?
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> Tenkawa: its nvidia-prime now gets installed togheter with the nvidia driver
[20:33] <jarnos> lotuspsychje, I just wanted to report that there is tearing issue with nouveau driver. Test video: https://youtu.be/MfL_JkcEFbE
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> arpad2: correct, you can deny
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> jarnos: ubuntu version, card chipset and driver version please?
[20:34] <arpad2> lotuspsychje: ok, thank you lotuspsychje for your help and effort
[20:34] <jarnos> lotuspsychje, nouveau driver seems to be working best with Firefox, whereas nvidia driver works best with google-chrome.
[20:41] <JonelethIrenicus> lordcirth: good point
[20:47] <kainengran> Why wouldn't my at commands work? I run `echo "test" | at now +1 minute` and don't get anything in the terminal.
[20:48] <lordcirth> kainengran, I wouldn't expect that to print to the terminal?
[20:48] <lordcirth> Well actually, I get "job 1 at Mon Jul 15 16:49:00 2019" from at
[20:48] <kainengran> Sorry, I meant terminal emulator xterm.
[20:49] <kainengran> So where does it echo?
[20:49] <BovineWalrusVamp> Is it possible to mount a Samba share to ~/Desktop? If doing so from fstab, would I go about it the same way as I would mount anything else?
[20:50] <lordcirth> kainengran, 'at' sends a message to 'atd' (the at daemon) and tells it to schedule "echo test" for 1 minute from now. As atd is not executing in your shell, it won't print there.
[20:50] <lordcirth> kainengran, depending on your config, it might mail you the result like cron does.
[20:51] <kainengran> I've tried running gimp with at, and I don't any result also...
[20:52] <lordcirth> kainengran, gimp is a graphical program, and must be called with the $DISPLAY variable set. Since atd isn't running in your desktop, you'd have to specify that yourself, I think
[20:52] <lordcirth> kainengran, if you want it to be echoed to your terminal, there are a few options. sh -c "sleep 2; echo test" & is one
[20:52] <lordcirth> er, sleep 1m , rather.
[20:54] <lordcirth> kainengran, is there a specific problem you want to solve, or are you just trying to learn things?
[20:55] <kainengran> lordcirth, trying to learn things. Thank you :) I thought atd get the DISPLAY as an environmental variable by default.
[20:56] <lordcirth> kainengran, no, $DISPLAY is inherited by anything called by X. atd is a system service that starts independently (and generally before) X.
[21:02] <kainengran> Hmmm... Yeah, I was stupid enough to think that the daemon should know the specific shell the at command was scheduled, so it should execute it there...
[21:04] <kainengran> makes me wonder if it's possible to specify a tty or a pty where a command should be run in linux
[21:05] <kainengran> I meant pts
[21:06] <kainengran> oh, it is possible simply by redirection!
[21:06]  * kainengran palmface
[21:09] <lordcirth> Many things are possible with redirection, since (almost) everything is a file
[21:12] <thnee> How come packages.ubuntu.com lists python3 as 3.6.5-3, but when I apt install python3, I get 3.6.8?
[21:12] <thnee> For bionic that is
[21:18] <OerHeks> thnee, it is backported 3.6.5-3 with 3.6.8 patches
[21:19] <OerHeks> err3.6.5 with 3.6.8 patches wich gives the ubuntu versioning 3.6.5-3
[21:31] <isopod> Hi
[21:31] <isopod> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 into a systemd-nspawn container using debootstrap, but I always get "Couldn't find these debs: systemd-container". What am I doing wrong?
[21:31] <isopod> sudo debootstrap --include=systemd-container,iproute2 --variant=minbase --arch=amd64 bionic gitlab http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[21:32] <isopod> (It worked with Debian)
[21:34] <thnee> OerHeks: wow ok, confusing.. thanks!
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> isopod: well.. Ubuntu is not Debian, it is Ubuntu and there are significant configuration differences between the two. Also, I believe your question might be better suited for #ubuntu-server
[21:35] <thnee> OerHeks: So functionally it is like 3.6.5, right? And the backported patches are only for security? And it's just an accident that it says 3.6.8?
[21:36] <isopod> pragmaticenigma: True, but Ubuntu seems to have the same package: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/systemd-container So why isn't it found?
[21:37] <OerHeks> not an accident, it is in code the 3.6.8, but as LTS gives stable packages + security updates, the versioning numbers are slightly different
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> isopod: Because to install that package you have to have the Universe repository enabled
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> !universe
[21:38] <thnee> OerHeks: I don't get it. Is it functionally like 3.6.5 or 3.6.8? Backporting security patches is of course fine, but functionally, which is it?
[21:38] <isopod> pragmaticenigma: Thanks, that sounds like the answer I was looking tor.
[21:38] <isopod> *for
[21:39] <OerHeks> thnee, functionality stays the same, i guess. no new features, those appear in the between-LTS versions
[21:41] <Forty-3> how do I view the old/new versions of packages before I upgrade?
[21:41] <pragmaticenigma> Forty-3: What are you trying to do exactly?
[21:41] <Forty-3> see if there are any change notes so I don't break anything
[21:42] <Forty-3> atm, it just says what packages would be upgraded
[21:42] <Forty-3> but I'd like to see that e.g. linux 4.10 will be upgrade to 4.14 or something
[21:42] <pragmaticenigma> Forty-3: Packages released in the official repositories are well tested before release. It is possible that a bug may slip through, but it is rare. There is no way to "view" differences, except to look at the release notes. The packages supplied are compiled binary, so unless you know how to read binary... you best bet to avoid issues is back your system up prior to installation/upgrades
[21:43] <OerHeks> apt changelog <package>
[21:43] <thnee> OerHeks: Ait, I'll take that. Thanks!
[21:43] <Forty-3> pragmaticenigma: I have been bitten too much by "stable" software breaking on upgrade
[21:44] <Forty-3> I've found point-release distros to be particularly egregious in this area
[21:44] <OerHeks> thnee, to make it easy: sudo apt update && apt list --upgradable  # to get a list of upgradable packages
[21:44] <pragmaticenigma> Forty-3: Sorry to hear that has been your experience, I can't say that I have ever had any issue within a release, only when moving major version/releases of the distribution I am on
[21:45] <Forty-3> anyway, I have several servers running on this machine, and I want to make sure they stay working
[21:45] <OerHeks> Forty-3,  use a test server and a vm?
[21:45] <pragmaticenigma> Forty-3: If you have introduced/installed any PPAs on your system, it is very likely they have been the source of your issues. As PPAs are not monitored, maintained, or tested by Canonical or Ubuntu developers
[21:45] <Forty-3> OerHeks: lotta server specific config
[21:46] <Forty-3> I'd rathe rjust see what versions are being changed
[21:46] <Forty-3> so I can do the research myself
[21:46] <Forty-3> arch does this fine when you update, and so does rhel...
[21:46] <pragmaticenigma> Forty-3: If your setup is that critical, then you should be running a mirrored machine to smoke test changes on. That's just good practice
[21:46] <OerHeks> oops, my previous post adressed wrong thnee > Forty-3 , to make it easy: sudo apt update && apt list --upgradable  # to get a list of upgradable packages
[21:47] <Forty-3> OerHeks: thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for
[21:47] <OerHeks> yw
[22:07] <TJ-> Forty-3: summary "apt list --upgradable" then, for each package, "apt changelog <package>"
[22:07] <thy143> HI, I hoping someone can clear something up for me regarding patching Ubuntu 1804 servers. We have a number of servers deployed using the server image (not the live one). I have done a apt-get upgrade, however I am still on 4.15.0-45-generic.  I have deployed anther VM using the “live” server install media and that is upgrading its kernel. Is someo
[22:07] <thy143> ne able to let me know why I not getting security patches on the 1804 (non live installers) server? Thanks
[22:07] <TJ-> oh, OerHeks  beat me!
[22:08] <TJ-> thy143: ISOs contains latest point releases, which will include the latest HWE kernels
[22:08] <TJ-> thy143: so I'm guessing you're seeing linux 4.18 or 5.0 on the latest 18.04.X ISO ?
[22:10] <sarnold> thy143: can you pastebin the output of your apt update && apt upgrade command?
[22:10] <Bashing-om> thy143: Latest kernel for the 18.04.1 cycle: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ uname -r >> 4.15.0-54-generic" .
[22:11] <thy143> TJ- uname-a  returns ubuntu 4.15.0-45 ....    i have been asked to verify that we have the CVE-2019-11477 kernal patch installed which is version 4.15.0-52.56
[22:12] <ryuo> thy143: did you try dist-upgrade?
[22:13] <ryuo> thy143: one possibility is you're lacking a generic kernel package that tracks the latest one.
[22:13] <TJ-> thy143:  4.15.0-45-generic is on the installed servers? is the bionic-security/bionic-updates components in apt sources.list enabled?
[22:13] <TJ-> thy143: as ryuo  says, is "linux-image-generic" installed to ensure upgrades are pulled in?
[22:13] <ryuo> or another form of it.
[22:15] <thy143> Ok i think that might be it.  had anther look and apt-get upgrade is kept back "linux-generic, linux-headers-generic and linux-images-generic
[22:15] <thy143> This is on clean install (VM) using the ISO here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.2/release/
[22:15] <ryuo> thy143: try dist-upgrade then.
[22:16] <wr> rm: cannot remove '/snap/core18/1055/var/lib/ucf/registry': Read-only file system, how can i remove /snap?
[22:16] <ryuo> afaik that always updates everything.
[22:16] <TJ-> thy143: "apt full-upgrade"
[22:16] <ryuo> or that. it's an alias for dist-upgrade.
[22:16] <thy143> ryuo TJ- that advisiable on a server in production?
[22:16] <ryuo> thy143: no idea, but i've always used it without incident.
[22:17] <ryuo> you can always review what it wants to do before approving it.
[22:17] <TJ-> thy143: if linux-generic is installed those packages should be pulled in as dependencies by default. If they're not someone has mis-configured the servers
[22:17] <sarnold> wr: it's on a read-only filesystem. if you want that file gone, you'll have to remove that snap to do it.
[22:18] <thy143> everything clean install, (clean VM installed 30 mins ago). no edits done on any config
[22:18] <ryuo> thy143: ok... try what we advised to at least see what it does. only difference from upgrade is what upgrades will be chosen.
[22:18] <wr> sarnold, already did a snap remove, is that it?
[22:19] <sarnold> wr: probably, yes
[22:19] <wr> sarnold, so probably not, because folder is there
[22:19] <TJ-> !info unattended-uprgades | thy143: you also might want to consider
[22:19] <TJ-> lol
[22:19] <TJ-> !info unattended-upgrades | thy143: you also might want to consider
[22:20] <ryuo> interesting.
[22:20] <ryuo> "full-upgrade performs the function of upgrade but will remove currently installed packages if this is needed to upgrade the system as a whole."
[22:20] <ryuo> so that's why it sometimes keeps stuff back.
[22:20] <sarnold> wr: if snap list shows nothing but mount shows /snap/core18/1055/ is still there, I suggest hopping into #snapcraft and asking about it
[22:21] <TJ-> ryuo: basically ABI changes require a "apt-get dist-upgrade" / "apt full-upgrade"
[22:21] <ryuo> i see.
[22:22] <wr> sarnold, go it now, had to do one more remove on core18
[22:23] <sarnold> wr: aha, all good?
[22:23] <wr> sarnold, yes, this snap installs things on file system hmmm
[22:23] <thy143> ok a apt full-upgrade looks to do the same as apt install linux-image-generic.   Will i keep running into the kernal not upgrading when doing a apt-get upgrade or should it role with the new one now?
[22:24] <TJ-> thy143: for kernel upgrades a reboot (or kexec) is required
[22:24] <TJ-> !livepatch | thy143
[22:25] <wr> sarnold, using snap on debian based machine can cause any conflicts?
[22:26] <sarnold> wr: it should work fine; I'm not sure the confinement on debian is as extensive as on ubuntu, but the debian-supplied packages and the snap-supplied packages shouldn't stomp on each other or anything
[22:27] <thy143> i get i need a reboot. WE rather not have livepatch as we need a control inpalce when updates get pushed.
[22:43] <wr> sarnold, if ubuntu has apt what snap adds?
[22:43] <jeremy31> !snap | wr
[22:44] <sarnold> wr: snaps are more like the apple app store or google play store -- you may or may not have source, there may or may not be security support, and there's some sandboxing in place to restrict what can and can't be done
[22:45] <sarnold> wr: the main benefit is that you don't have to run anything from them as root
[22:45] <wr> sarnold, i was thinking on that a contained app
[22:45] <sarnold> wr: the atomic updates are nice too; a surprising number of .deb packages fail to upgrade for reasons that are usually difficult to discorver
[22:54] <Jan-> hihi
[22:55] <Jan-> is there some way I can write a simple script to send bytes to a serial device? right now I have "echo -n 1 > /dev/ttyUSB0"
[22:55] <Jan-> what I want is for it to go 1,2,3,4 in sequence every few milliseconds
[23:01] <tomreyn> terminal window #1: touch /tmp/foo && tail -f /tmp/foo     terminal window #2:  (echo 1; sleep 0.3; echo 2;) >> /tmp/foo
[23:01] <wr> Jan-, #programming might be good
[23:02] <tomreyn> Jan-: but you reall should write this in a proper scripting language
[23:02] <sarnold> Jan-: untested, but try this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gkcxWbb9h/
[23:04] <Jan-> OK thanks guys
[23:04] <Jan-> I shall maybe try python :)
[23:04]  * Jan- is not a linux persn
[23:09] <TJ-> hehehe this is like the programming challenge!  DEV=/dev/ttyUSB0; while true; do for n in {1..4}; do echo $n >$DEV; sleep 0.2; done; done
[23:09] <sarnold> I skipped that one because sleep isn't a shell built-in; it's a whole new exec every time through the loop
[23:10] <MMYStic> hi, I have a strange problem with bandwidth limitation. I mean the wifi is slow. I have cleaned any "tc" (traffic shaping cli) configuration. But I haven't resolved. What further conf should I seek to solve the problem ? sysctl ? others ?
[23:10] <TJ-> sarnold: right, and we need to waste time anyhow :)
[23:10] <sarnold> *maybe* it's even a fresh open and close each trip. that'd also be needlessly expensive :)
[23:11] <wr> MMYStic, see dns
[23:11] <MMYStic> wr: dns ? why ? how ?
[23:11] <wr> MMYStic, said wifi was slow
[23:12] <sarnold> MMYStic: it'd be best to figure out what exactly i slow about it
[23:12] <MMYStic> wr I've done a speedtest and I have 1mbit bandwidth, but the wifi has 25..
[23:12] <wr> MMYStic, what do you use for speedtest?
[23:12] <MMYStic> sarnold: just the bandwidth.. it seems there is some traffic shaping configuration
[23:13] <TJ-> sarnold: but if you don't want an exec, then DEV=/dev/ttyUSB0; while true; do for n in {1..4}; do echo $n >$DEV; read -t 0.2; done; done
[23:13] <MMYStic> wr I have used speedtest-cli installed with apt and the speedtest site
[23:13] <sarnold> TJ-: well played! :)
[23:13] <TJ-> sarnold: :P
[23:13] <sarnold> TJ-: I didn't know read had a timeout
[23:13] <sarnold> MMYStic: try this fq_codel https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/HOWTO/
[23:14] <wr> MMYStic, try other speedtest to see if any thing changes significantly
[23:14] <TJ-> MMYStic: start off with basics: signal strength, errors, retries (use "iwconfig")
[23:14] <wr> MMYStic, do you have good values on hardware and signal of wifi?
[23:15] <MMYStic> wr: yeah the signal is ok..
[23:15] <MMYStic> then I have to debug the wifi.. ok I try
[23:17] <wr> MMYStic, do you have bandwith limitation outside wifi? cable?
[23:17] <TJ-> MMYStic: which band is it using, which protocol? 2.4/5.x, 802.11bgn, 802.11an, 802.11ac ?
[23:18] <TJ-> MMYStic: how many other Access Points using the same band, what channel widths are they using, are they overlapping?
[23:18] <wr> MMYStic, try to scan to see if your using channels that don't overlap your area
[23:18] <MMYStic> wr: I think no.. .. well maybe I've found something... I have the following strange conf on iwconfig
[23:18] <MMYStic> Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[23:19] <wr> MMYStic, do you have any setting on card to limit something?
[23:19] <TJ-> MMYStic: best to show us in a pastebin the entire output: "pastebinit <( iwconfig )"
[23:21] <wr> MMYStic, 20 dBm not very good
[23:21] <MMYStic> https://pastebin.com/pLwDZQcz
[23:22] <wr> MMYStic, how is your pinging and dns settings?
[23:22] <veegee> What's going on with the latest kernel builds failing? https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.2.1/
[23:23] <TJ-> MMYStic: wr: 20dBm is OK, its probably the regulatory domain setting
[23:23] <MMYStic> the ping to the gw is around 7 ms
[23:23] <TJ-> MMYStic: show us "pastebinit <( iw list )"
[23:23] <wr> TJ-, it's tx-power thought was signal level
[23:25] <TJ-> MMYStic: before I've seen this next log, I'm going to guess there are other APs interfering. show us "pastebinit <( sudo iwlist scan )"
[23:27] <MMYStic> TJ-: what should I seek on iwlist scan output ?
[23:28] <TJ-> MMYStic: we're looking for all the APs and what there channel config/bandwidth is
[23:28] <wr> MMYStic, i guess cell's that are on you same you
[23:30] <TJ-> MMYStic: you're in the 802.11b band, max 20MHz channels is 14 (Japan) or 11 (USA) or 13 (Europe). Of those only 3 are non-overlapping (1, 6, 11/13/14) - if some AP is using 802.11n that's 40MHz channels and suddenly only channels 1 and 11/13/14 are non-overlapping
[23:31] <wr> MMYStic, 802.11b is bit low
[23:32] <MMYStic> wr also "encryption off" ???
[23:33] <wr> MMYStic, i would not use it open
[23:33] <MMYStic> wr: ofcourse the wifi has encryption on ... then it's very strange linux says is off
[23:33] <TJ-> MMYStic: if you don't show us those other two reports we can't really help
[23:34] <MMYStic> TJ-: I prefer not to publish the other conf because of privacy
[23:34] <wr> MMYStic, by the way can you reboot the device?
[23:35] <MMYStic> wr: no the router is ok... I think the problem is my laptop
[23:35] <wr> MMYStic, reboot not poweroff
[23:35] <MMYStic> wr: it's not mine
[23:35] <wr> MMYStic, even so, do it
[23:35] <wr> on both
[23:35] <MMYStic> wr: I can't the router is not mine
[23:36] <MMYStic> anyway thx I quit irc.. and I try to play with iwconfig
[23:36] <TJ-> MMYStic: iwconfig's Encryption key: is for WEP, it is expected to be 'off' for WPA/2
[23:37] <TJ-> ahh well, ask for advice then don't provide info required to give it!
[23:38] <wr> router not mine, hmmm
[23:44] <TJ-> almost always those issues are either radio-frequency interference, or simple congestion (and possibly control)
[23:49] <Rochvellon> I've got a problem. there is somewhere a trigger in my system (desktop, xfce, 16.04) that let crackle my audio periodically and if xfce4-volumed is active the osd volume appears then. what could it be?  this behaviour appeared the first time as I pressed the volume up or down on my old keyboard but it happens with my new keyboard too
[23:57] <FreeBDSM> hello, is this actual for Ubuntu too? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting