[04:08] <wylel> So if I wanted to move from Pop!_OS to Kubuntu without losing any data and nuke and paving, how easy would that be?
[04:18] <valorie> it's based on ubuntu, so I think you could just sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
[04:18] <valorie> you wouldn't  be exactly running kubuntu
[04:18] <valorie> but most of the differences have to do with gnome-desktop and a few tweeks to video drivers and such
[04:19] <valorie> and their custom installer
[04:22] <valorie> wylel: ^^^
[04:22] <wylel> well I have done that
[04:23] <wylel> not that its absolutely necessary to do, was just wondering
[04:23] <wylel> since it is 19.04
[04:23] <wylel> more of a leave pop join kubuntu type thing, and if its even possible
[04:23] <valorie> I've not tried what you've done
[04:23] <valorie> I have a system76 computer but have always run kubuntu
[04:23] <wylel> nice
[04:24] <valorie> and I have a popos usb stick
[04:24] <wylel> I love KDE Plasma
[04:24] <valorie> so one of these days I should try it
[04:24] <wylel> so in the grand scheme of things, im running Kubuntu
[04:24] <valorie> a number of the sys76 people run kde software
[04:24] <wylel> but upgrades come to Pop
[04:24] <valorie> yes, you are using our packages
[04:24] <wylel> correct
[04:25] <valorie> I mean, you *could* convert it by removing the PopOS!-only repos
[04:25] <valorie> but until you need to do that, I wouldn't bother
[04:25] <wylel> I wonder if that would break anything
[04:25] <valorie> otoh I would make sure that my backups are good and complete
[04:26] <valorie> but that's always true
[04:26] <valorie> I guess you'll see at 19.10 time
[04:26] <wylel> oh yeah, i take snapshots every hour, day and week
[04:26] <valorie> cool
[04:26] <wylel> I guess I couldnt break much lol
[04:26] <valorie> right
[04:26] <valorie> plus a reinstall is so easy and quick
[04:27] <valorie> there is a PPA I think for the special drivers that they want you to use
[04:27] <wylel> I guess thats another question, what if I wanted to use my same setup of Plasma that I have here on another machine that I am running Kubuntu on?
[04:27] <valorie> according to their help docs
[04:28] <valorie> you can copy over your ~/.config and ~/,local files
[04:28] <valorie> that have to do with plasma*
[04:28] <wylel> anything that starts with K I would imagine
[04:29] <wylel> minus anything thats not KDE that starts with K
[04:29] <valorie> well there are lots of k-applications
[04:29] <valorie> they are just text files
[04:29] <valorie> it's easy to see exactly what you are doing
[04:29] <wylel> yeah, might try that
[04:30] <wylel> the laptop has nothing on it yet so wouldnt be too hard to nuke and pave
[04:30] <valorie> I learn something every time I mess around in there
[04:32] <valorie> and right, if you don't like the change, you can just move the old folder back
[04:33] <valorie> I never blow them away; just rename to blahblah.bak
[04:33] <valorie> or .old
[04:33] <wylel> right
[04:36] <chealer> wylel: do you have that much Plasma setup?
[04:36] <wylel> quite a bit
[04:36] <wylel> I guess I could nuke and pave
[04:37] <chealer> wylel: have much time do you think it would it take to re-create?
[04:38] <valorie> if you have done a lot of configs, just save that .config file
[04:39] <valorie> once you move it in and rename the "vanilla" file you'll have it
[04:39] <valorie> well, after restarting/re-logging into plasma
[04:39] <wylel> I would say about 2 weeks of pretty extensive changes and setup
[04:49] <chealer> wylel: 2 person-weeks? for your whole KDE setup or just Plasma?
[04:49] <wylel> the entire setup
[04:49] <wylel> Nvidia setup, steam, games and configuration for games, and plasma
[04:52] <chealer> wylel: oh, well that's a way bigger question. probably depends on your KDE versions on each side. downgrading is surely not supported, so if you try using newer file formats with older software, expect issues.
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[14:59] <sid21g> Hello guys wanted to ask is there a different pip for python and pythn3?
[15:04] <tomreyn> sid21g: there are different ones for python2 and python3, yes. the python2 one is called pip, the python3 one is called pip3.
[15:18] <tomreyn> i'm just installing 19.04 and realize you can go 'back' to the partitioning step right after starting the installation. but doing so breaks the installation.
[15:19] <tomreyn> does this ring a bell (known bug)?
[15:19] <tomreyn> i'm not even sure whether kubuntu 19.04 uses subiquity or something else?
[15:23] <tomreyn> err ubiquity. and yes, it is.
[16:16] <jubo2> y0
[16:16] <jubo2> got a problem
[16:17] <jubo2> Kubuntu 18.04.latest refuses to mount USB sticks.
[16:18] <jubo2> Just says "Malformed URL" if I click "Open with Dolphin"
[16:19] <jubo2> I guess I have 2 compromised systems, coz I did something inexcusably stupid
[16:20] <jubo2> I think I'll burn a fresh Kubuntu stick on some clean computer and install clean both systems
[16:20] <jubo2> I think I got rid of the compromise, but I grabbed all of ~/.config from the (probably) compromised system and here be the result
[16:26] <juboxi> Hi, jubo2 here on a Kubuntu 19.04.latest
[16:26] <juboxi> this one reports "An error occurred while accessing 'Home', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sdb1 at /media/juboxi/KINGSTON 64GB: Unknow error when mounting /dev/sdb1" when trying to mount the USB
[16:26] <juboxi> Seems all USB sticks break as soon as I plug them into a system
[16:27] <juboxi> "Unknown error" ... that's not really helpful
[16:27] <BluesKaj> did you run lsusb
[16:27] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:28] <juboxi> I can do that now
[16:28] <juboxi> BluesKaj: Looks just fine: "Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0951:1666 Kingston Technology DataTraveler 100 G3/G4/SE9 G2"
[16:29] <BluesKaj> juboxi, what filesytem format did you use for the stick ?
[16:29] <juboxi> NTFS iirc
[16:30] <juboxi> coz if I format to EXT4 with gparted I can't ever mount the stick because somewhere it reads that it is owned by root
[16:30] <juboxi> this was not always the case, but lately it is
[16:31] <juboxi> There is really not trusting computers unless you are paying a team of people $100,000 / yr / head to make sure the shit actually works and does not do things that are not desired
[16:32] <juboxi> More stuff keeps on breaking than I have time and energy to attempt to fix
[16:32] <BluesKaj> odd, ntfs on my usb work on my usb sticks
[16:33] <BluesKaj> oops repeating myself again
[16:34] <juboxi> I have now 2 sticks I cannot access and if the past events hold true one more stick would just break if I tried to plug it in
[16:35] <juboxi> a note on other things: The devels really improved memory footprint of Kubuntu in 19.04 (maybe even 18.10, haven't tried that) ... I can sometimes see under 1GB in use
[16:38] <tomreyn> run ntfsfix against the partiitons holding the ntfs file systems on your sticks.
[16:39] <tomreyn> or better chkdsk /f on windows
[16:44] <juboxi> tomreyn: "N: Unable to locate package ntfsfix" when running 'apt show ntfsfix'
[16:45] <juboxi> so I guess I cannot get it from standard repos
[16:48] <juboxi> tomreyn: oh, ok, it was already installed by some package. Ran it with sudo on /dev/sdb1 and now the volume mounts just fine. So big thanks for your helpful suggestion
[16:48] <juboxi> Now only if could figure out why they break..
[16:53] <jubo2> oh great... only to notice that 'sudo rm -rf directoryname' no longer works on the USB stick
[16:53] <jubo2> nor does removing it with Dolphin
[17:23] <tomreyn> juboxi: the reason it will have broken is that it was not unmounted properly (e.g. stick pullked while still mounted, or not properly 'ejected' via software). it will have mounted read-only now. you can run chkdsk /f against it on windows (which is the only safe way to do it, not supported on linux), or you could decide to not care about your data and run ntfsfix with the option it offers to remove the dirty bit.
[17:23] <tomreyn> either should enable  you to write to it again.
[17:23] <tomreyn> jubo2: ^
[17:24] <jubo2> I can just nuke the contents of the sticks, but this is just giving me very bad uncomfortability that sticks keep on breaking. One day I could actually use an USB stick that works.
[17:25] <jubo2> and I did remove them both by unmounting first, so that kinda does not ring true that removal without unmounting would be the cause
[17:26] <Alabalistic> Hi all good?
[17:41] <tomreyn> jubo2: it could also be a software issue, i didn't mean to blame you there, just point out all the safety measures one needs to take.
[17:42] <tomreyn> jubo2: i don't think these usb sticks themselves are breaking, though, it's probably just a file system issue. ntfs is not the best choice if you don't depend on it for transferring files between ubuntu and windows.
[17:56] <sid21g> Any takers for this query? https://superuser.com/questions/1460458/unable-to-run-vlc-says-drm-version-is-1-6-0-but-this-driver-is-only-compatible
[18:47] <jubo2> tomreyn: I don't use any Windows. The problem that USB sticks formatted with gparted could not be mounted unless root began exhibiting... I dunno 3-5 months ago
[18:48] <jubo2> tomreyn: Sorry for the low quality English. So if I use gparted to make a partition on an USB stick I cannot mount it on any system. This is why I switched to NTFS in hope that it would work, but it just keeps on breaking
[19:27] <tomreyn> jubo2: your english is fine (as far as i can tell, i'm also not a native speaker). i recommend using ext4 then. To solve the issue with file system restrictions, you just need to chown the mount point to your user, as well as any existing files and folders (and other file system objects) on the file system once.
[19:28] <tomreyn> indeed it should probably be so that this is fully manageable on the GUI, and what you describe sounds like it may be a bug (if this used to work without a need to modify configurations, but no longer does).
[19:28] <tomreyn> i don't actually use kde, so can't provide first hand experience on how it is or how it should be there.
[23:46] <daniel__> I can not open any flatpak application by mistake in the path