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 hi
 i have mobail and a I want used Ubuntu Touch
 I'm afraid the device will crash
 Is it possible to take a copy of the phone system
 Does Ubuntu Touch support Android app?
 yes using anbox
[05:56] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @mofota [OMG! It's a dream come true! gnumeric worked! abiword had the same behavior as l …], Do these apps show on the Nexus 5 display, or do you have to connect to a remote display? On my Nexus 5 the screen goes blank and returns to Scope, so I presumed it was only able to output to a remote desktop display.
[05:56] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @mofota [OMG! It's a dream come true! gnumeric worked! abiword had the same behavior as l …], [Edit] Do these apps show on the Nexus 5 display, or do you have to connect to a remote display? On my Nexus 5 the screen goes blank and returns to Scopes, so I presumed it was only able to output to a remote desktop display.
 Do I have to install it?
 @LittleBoy8506 [yes using anbox], I think it should be mentioned that anbox is experimental, don't expect that it works too well.
 @superastorh [Do I have to install it?], Yes, see http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
[08:15] <ubptgbot> Sobhan Acharya was added by: Sobhan Acharya
[08:16] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> Hello people
[08:17] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> I recently came accross Ubuntu torch as an alternative to Google android and read about convergence feature which I love.
 Hi ! … Btw is Touch, not torch 😉
 But if you want to torch Android, that's OK 😄
[08:19] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> The only issue I face is that touch is not aupported for Moto G5 Plus... … Is there a way to get it supported.
[08:20] <ubptgbot> <Sobhan Acharya> @advocatux [But if you want to torch Android, that's OK 😄], Hahaha no no I wont.
 @Sobhan Acharya [The only issue I face is that touch is not aupported for Moto G5 Plus... … Is the …], You might be interested in helping the porting effort for that device … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/50
 @advocatux [You might be interested in helping the porting effort for that device … https://gi …], Will go through and do my best to help.
 @RedBlade4555 [Will go through and do my best to help.], Great! If you want to learn about the porting process, please see http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @advocatux [Great! If you want to learn about the porting process, please see http://docs.ub …], Thanks a lot. Lets c what I can do to help. I have recently jumped into the open source world n I must say im more Dan impressed on how devs all over the world are coming together to build extravagant tech
 (Sticker, 512x128) https://irc.ubports.com/5aS0ra8d.webp
 @John (Marlin) [Do these apps show on the Nexus 5 display, or do you have to connect to a remote …], some apps works in the nexus 5 some others don't
 in the past, everything used to work "fine" but now for example libreoffice doesn't work anymore, etc.
 this is WIP so be patience
 @cyb3rhatt3r [Why would you want something logging your typing habits?], I want to track my gf.
 @southsidetoker I've removed your message. Please, don't post nonsense in this group, thank you :)
 @advocatux [You might be interested in helping the porting effort for that device … https://gi …], Hello again  … I went through the basics n now I know how to root a phone and install a custom rom.
 UniversalSuperBox hasnt updated after Jan 25 2018. … I know of the current issues now … What am I supposed to do to help resolve it
 Now you can try to follow the porting steps :)
 @advocatux [Now you can try to follow the porting steps :)], OK will do … hope m not bugging u but being too stupid
 Don't worry, no problem :)
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[14:56] <ubptgbot> <M3T4LL1C14N0 ..> hello which appliances can be installed Ubuntu Touch OS?
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ :)
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <M3T4LL1C14N0 ..> because I have the motorola and wanted to install it
 You can try to port it if that model meets the minimum requirements for it. … Please see http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @M3T4LL1C14N0 .. [because I have the motorola and wanted to install it], If it is the Moto G2 (titan) you should look here for the installation of UT16.04 https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t3608846
 Those instructions are going to confuse them more than help them IMO :)
 @advocatux [Those instructions are going to confuse them more than help them IMO :)], Unfortunately other instruction doesn’t exist. The community ports need more love.
 @Nikfrager [Unfortunately other instruction doesn’t exist. The community ports need more lov …], I agree regarding latter for sure
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 Hi!
 I have a Sony XPeria XA2 that I would like to install UT on -is this available?
 Other option would be SailfishOS (they are offering an image) but I would prefer UT...
 Do I have to get Halium working on it first?
 no way so far, we lack Android 8 and newer HAL support
[18:59] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @phovi [I have a Sony XPeria XA2 that I would like to install UT on -is this available?], Don't see any Sony on the list here. Check the link to make it yourself: … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 So, does UT need a new HAL based on Halium first? Sony is offering AOSP 8 for this model as part of their Open Devices program so there should be good chance to develop for this device, right?
 @phovi [So, does UT need a new HAL based on Halium first? Sony is offering AOSP 8 for th …], Halium is not ported for 8 either
 basically we need to reapply hybris patches on top of newer Android tree, then adapt middleware components to Android-side changes, such as HWC2 API
 Ok, so quite a task, huh?
 yeah, not principally impossible, but needs some effort
 Would have bought an XA2 if UBports were available. :D
 Looks like a nice device.
 Yeah, it's a nice device and was a bargain also -got it from an outlet quite cheap :) … Would it be still better to start porting based on AOSP 7 then?
[20:04] <ubptgbot> Phijo was added by: Phijo
 Hey are there phones pre loaded with ut
 Hi guys, I'm sick of Google Microsoft and all the spying companies that are commercializing our lives and what we do and care about. So no need to convince me about Ubuntu touch. However there are some features I need in a phone. May I ask someone of you if Ubuntu touch meets my requirements? … I need both telegram and signal.  Don't need W
[20:17] <ubptgbot> hatsApp, would sacrifice that availability of all my contacts for privacy. Most of the people I care about have either telegram or signal. If not they will at least be able so send an sms. … Are signal and telegram installable? … Is there disk and more important as card encryption available? That's kind of a must have since imo the biggest risk is
[20:17] <ubptgbot> losing (just being said or the victim of some evil person) the device and the data on it. Don't want someone to just have to plug my phone into his PC and have all my private stuff. Take the phone, I can but a new one. But data is something different since it's not only effecting myself. … What about easy backup? Hate my Android for that. Broken by
[20:17] <ubptgbot>  design😡 … Thanks in advance for your mich appreciated help
 And sorry for the long text.🤨
 Hi Philipp!
 Native clients for both signal and telegram are available although they are far from feature complete... But they are maintained and are improving over time.
 Also there is a pretty cool matrix client btw.
 @RedBlade4555 [Hey are there phones pre loaded with ut], Not currently but by the end of the year, pinephone might be out and preloaded with UT.
 No easy data encryption, no comfortable backup that i'm aware of...
 [Edit] No easy data encryption and no comfortable backup that i'm aware of...
 [Edit] No easy data encryption and no comfortable backup that i'm aware of, sry...
 @hummlbach [Native clients for both signal and telegram are available although they are far …], Thanks that sounds good🤔👍
 @hummlbach [No easy data encryption and no comfortable backup that i'm aware of, sry...], Well backups can't be worse than with Android. No possibility to take an .IMG copy of the whole disk like with my Debian?🤔 … I just use cp /dev/sdx /path/to/name.img for that on a live system.
 No data encryption however is a huge negative unfortunately😭
 I like my stuff encrypted😁
 @libremax [Not currently but by the end of the year, pinephone might be out and preloaded w …], thanks a lo for the info.
 Thanks for the info though
 so yes, you simply copy `~/.local` and `~/.config` or your whole home directory and your fine... ofc thats possible but not what most users would call comfortable...
 [Edit] so yes, you can simply copy `~/.local` and `~/.config` or your whole home directory and your fine... ofc thats possible but not what most users would call comfortable...
 rsync?
 If anyone knows if and how encryption works I'd be glad to hear that.
 Again there is some "manual" way iirc
 have you searched the forum?
 @hummlbach [so yes, you can simply copy ~/.local and ~/.config or your whole home directory …], Sound good, I like to have controll of what a system is doing
 @phovi [rsync?], i would use `scp` or `adb`
 @hummlbach [have you searched the forum?], To be honest only quickly.
 Encryption however should be working smoothly for my taste … 😉
 doing encryption right (aka smoothly) is by no means easy, especially when we don't have access to hardware key storage
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1012/one-method-to-encrypt-home-phablet … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2368/encryption-and-vpn/14
 @dohbee [doing encryption right (aka smoothly) is by no means easy, especially when we do …], yes you will also find a lot of discussion how secure it is at the end... ;-)
[20:41] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @RedBlade4555 [Hey are there phones pre loaded with ut], On eBay you can find some past UT oem phones as well as some that have been user converted.
 @hummlbach [https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1012/one-method-to-encrypt-home-phablet … https:/ …], Thanks.
 @dohbee [doing encryption right (aka smoothly) is by no means easy, especially when we do …], Absolutely. But it's it that hard (honest question) to use let's say the working everyone from Linux (dm crypt /Luks) on a phone?🤔
 No offense but I'm just wondering. Don't know how secure my Samsung encryption is anyway🤔
 Mhm. Read a bit into it and it's not user friendly at all. I understand it's a lot to ask but a privacy focused os is one thing not offering encryption for the not so unlikely event of losing the device.... Well. Might work for a computer but a phone...  … I hope for the future😌
 @Phijo [Absolutely. But it's it that hard (honest question) to use let's say the working …], Well, could be done somewhat perhaps, but is difficult to do, we can't do on all devices, and it wouldn't be especially more secure as we can't lock bootloader
 @dohbee [Well, could be done somewhat perhaps, but is difficult to do, we can't do on all …], Thanks for your answer. How is not having the bootloader locked imposing a risk on the encryption? Sorry if that might be a trivial question🙈
 @Phijo [Thanks for your answer. How is not having the bootloader locked imposing a risk …], The key and encrypted data can be copied off for brute forcing, or malware recovery could be emplaced to get the passphrase.
 As key must be stored in same device as data, even if it's wrapped. And because phones suck for typing, most people will choose only a PIN, so very easy to brute
 @dohbee [The key and encrypted data can be copied off for brute forcing, or malware recov …], I see your point. My Debian runs the same risk and I feel pretty safe to be honest. Brutforcing can be prevented by just using a long enough passphrase. I mean for someone a pin might be enough. I'd maybe combine 10 random characters with 6 random
[21:19] <ubptgbot> words. Evil maid atacks might be an issue though. But I think most users only want prevention against the average Thief and are not high value targets. Maybe just implementing something comparable to Luks o … n a desktop would be fine for about 95% of the users...
 @dohbee [As key must be stored in same device as data, even if it's wrapped. And because …], I currently have a passphrase of about 15 digits. I mainly want to be safe when the device is powered off and want a very basic level of protection when it's running. But that's just me.  … However I appreciate the work on an alternative to Google A
[21:22] <ubptgbot> pple and Microsoft😍👍
 Thanks for your help! I'll watch Ubuntu touch but don't feel too be ready for it just yet.🤔 Kind of weighting privacy and not being dependent on spying cooperations against having fde on my phone😔
 @Phijo [I see your point. My Debian runs the same risk and I feel pretty safe to be hone …], Not leaving your phone at the bar or unattended, is far better prevention of basic thieves and evil maids, than poorly done encryption
 But we're going a bit off tangent now
 @Phijo [Well backups can't be worse than with Android. No possibility to take an .IMG co …], tbh if you don't care about installed apps, copying /home/phablet should contain everything
 hmm fde depends on locking bootloader
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 @phovi [Yeah, it's a nice device and was a bargain also -got it from an outlet quite che …], the device doesn't have AOSP 7
 @Fuseteam [hmm fde depends on locking bootloader], it does not strictly depend if you read Rodney reasoning
 @NotKit [it does not strictly depend if you read Rodney reasoning], It is a requirement to protect from certain attacks. But it depends on a lot of other things too
 I agree, but theoretically you could have long enough key to type. And even if bootloader is locked, it is usually possible to read eMMC contents with proper hardware
 otherwise it still seems like an excuse for not implementing it, e. g. postmarketOS supports it for many devices - but for me it is not the feature I would care much about compared to getting newer devices supported and so on
 (the way they did it is by relying on kernel feature + providing OSK keyboard in initramfs, not particularly flexible I guess)
 [Edit] (the way they did it is by relying on kernel feature + providing on-screen keyboard in initramfs, not particularly flexible I guess)
 @NotKit [I agree, but theoretically you could have long enough key to type. And even if b …], Yes, but with proper impl, key is not stored in emmc
 @NotKit [(the way they did it is by relying on kernel feature + providing on-screen keybo …], They aren't building on top of android, but shipping a more traditional linux distro on phones
 @NotKit [it does not strictly depend if you read Rodney reasoning], guess i need to read more thoroughly
 @dohbee [They aren't building on top of android, but shipping a more traditional linux di …], the parts in question run way before LXC Android container would be started, so it doesn't matter from this perspective
 @NotKit [the parts in question run way before LXC Android container would be started, so …], It matters, because they aren't doing recovery the same or anything.
 Marius proposed used initramfs on newer devices instead of recovery for updates, so it can be handled more or less
[22:38] <ubptgbot> <A C> Ubuntu touch 16.04 is based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
 Yes
[22:44] <ubptgbot> <A C> The Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is definitive base or it would be exchanged for another
 @NotKit [Marius proposed used initramfs on newer devices instead of recovery for updates, …], that's newer devices tho, which is one of rodney's arguments 'we can't do it for all devices'
 @A C [The Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is definitive base or it would be exchanged for another], no effort has been made for 18.04 yet so far nor is it planned yet afaik
 @A C [The Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is definitive base or it would be exchanged for another], The future is the future, but for now it remains 16.04
[22:50] <ubptgbot> <A C> @dohbee [The future is the future, but for now it remains 16.04], There will be more ota version with 16.04 lts
 Yes
[22:58] <ubptgbot> <A C> Does anyone know on what date ota-10 will be released?
 When the blockers are fixed