[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:02] <Trevinho> morning!
[07:06] <oSoMoN> hello Trevinho
[07:06] <Trevinho> hi oSoMoN
[07:06] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers
[07:06] <Trevinho> and seb128
[07:06] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:06] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, hey Trevinho, how are you?
[07:07] <seb128> Trevinho, had a nice monday off?
[07:08] <Trevinho> seb128: all good
[07:08] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, very good... although we had to escape from the beach early because of a very-close-fire
[07:08] <seb128> oh :-(
[07:09] <Trevinho> https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/sardegna/sardegna-incendio-in-ogliastra-evacuati-due-campeggi-e-un-resort_3220315-201902a.shtml
[07:09] <Trevinho> basically the anti-fire helicopter come to pick water at 150mt from where I was having a swim
[07:09] <Trevinho> and 10mt high flames in the back :o
[07:10] <oSoMoN> all good here, I also went to the beach after work, but no fire here, fortunately
[07:11] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, Trevinho, seb128
[07:11] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:11] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:11] <seb128> oSoMoN, didrocks, did you figure out anything new on the chromium snap/decoration/theme issue?
[07:11] <seb128> I saw it mentioned on the weekly notes :)
[07:12] <oSoMoN> seb128, didrocks gave some interesting suggestions to try out, but I haven't done that yet
[07:12] <seb128> k
[07:12] <seb128> I'm still curious to know what's going on there :)
[07:14] <didrocks> let's see once oSoMoN has time to experiment, but I would bet on one of the options we discovered… (hopefully, or I'm out of idea for now otherwise)
[07:15] <seb128> you guys have good teasing skills :)
[07:15]  * seb128 wants to see the movie now :p
[07:16] <didrocks> heh
[07:17] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, Trevinho seb128, didrocks
[07:17] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:17] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:17] <seb128> does anyone know if we have a script/tool around to download all the debs from a launchpad build page?
[07:18] <duflu> I've been thinking about that for a while
[07:21] <seb128> k, hacked around with a gio cat | grep | sed | xargs wget command :)
[07:22] <duflu> seb128, actually my use case was easier installation of dbg debs
[07:22] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:23] <seb128> duflu, apport-retrace is probably best for that?
[07:23] <duflu> I think the problem with automating that is the lack of standard naming
[07:23] <duflu> OK I'll try that next time
[07:23] <seb128> it's supposed to figure out all the symbols you need and the corresponding dbg and install them
[07:24] <duflu> Solve then
[07:24] <duflu> Solved then
[07:28] <Trevinho> Hi duflu and didrocks
[07:35] <marcustomlinson> Good morning oSoMoN Trevinho seb128 didrocks duflu
[07:36] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson
[07:39] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[07:42] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:44] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:48] <willcooke> morning
[07:50] <marcustomlinson> hey willcooke
[07:51] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:52] <duflu> Hi willcooke
[07:56] <Trevinho> hi willcooke and marcustomlinson
[08:01] <seb128> ricotz, thx for the diff/fix on that indicator-keyboard mr
[08:01] <Laney> yo de yo
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> de yo yo yo
[08:02] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:05] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson seb128
[08:06] <seb128> jamesh, weekly summary post?
[08:06] <seb128> Trevinho, oSoMoN, thx for posting those, please try to remember to do it on monday though :)
[08:06] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I wanted to do it last night, but went back home late..
[08:07] <oSoMoN> yes, sorry about that
[08:07] <Trevinho> and since I was off..
[08:07] <seb128> no worry, as long as it's not a trend :)
[08:08] <seb128> oSoMoN, your WSL issue, maybe post on the corresponding discourse section, it might help you to get some hints and others later who might have the same issue?
[08:08] <oSoMoN> seb128, good point, will do that
[08:09] <seb128> thx
[08:13] <seb128> changing location,; brb
[08:27] <Laney> seeded snaps work again on eoan
[08:29] <seb128> \o/
[08:29] <seb128> well done Laney!
[08:30] <Laney> first launch is in adwaita...
[08:30] <Laney> has anyone noticed that?
[08:30] <seb128> nop
[08:31] <seb128> but I didn't try new eoan installs recently
[08:31] <Laney> it's not eoan specific
[08:31] <Laney> more like something to do with the snap
[08:31] <Laney> so you can probably clean your system enough to get it
[08:32] <seb128> doing a rm of the ~/snap/app dir isn't enough to get it on gnome-calculator or evince for me
[08:32] <seb128> is the theme wrong until you close it?
[08:32] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/calc.png
[08:32] <seb128> or is that like wrong for <time> and then good?
[08:33] <seb128> jamesh, ^
[08:33] <Laney> wrong, close, reopen, right
[08:33] <seb128> :-/
[08:36] <jamesh> Laney: I don't see gnome-common-themes in that "snap list" output
[08:36] <Laney> ahhhhhh
[08:36] <Laney> it's a race condition with seeding isn't it?
[08:36] <Laney> I suppose they are initialised in order, and that is last in the seed.yaml
[08:36] <Laney> fml
[08:37] <jamesh> perhaps
[08:37] <Laney> it's there if I re-run 'snap list'
[08:37] <jamesh> I haven't looked at what snapd does exactly
[08:37] <jamesh> it wouldn't hurt to sort prerequisites first in the seed.yaml file
[08:39] <Laney> Seeding is pretty slow, at least in VMs here
[08:40] <Laney> it took 1m27s
[08:40] <willcooke> well done Laney
[08:40] <Laney> thx
[08:40] <willcooke> We've seen that race before I think, kenvandine will remember
[08:40] <willcooke> I seem to remember chattnig abou
[08:40] <willcooke> *chatting about putting a sleep 10 in somewhere :)
[08:48] <Laney> /o\
[09:00] <Laney> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-seeding-is-slow-racy/12310
[09:00]  * Laney prepares to be abused
[09:04] <jamesh> Laney: I guess we're lucky that gnome-3-28-1804 sorts before gnome-calculator
[09:04] <Laney> yup
[09:04] <jamesh> otherwise the app would have simply failed to launch
[09:04] <jamesh> rather than launch with the wrong theme
[09:04] <Laney> might be worth noting that
[09:05] <Laney> if snapd were to figure out the ordering that'd work for this situatino too
[13:31] <seb128> (still is another meeting with willcooke, sorry for the delay, a few min)
[13:31] <seb128> well, let's me start it :)
[13:32] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2019-07-16
[13:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 16 13:32:34 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:32] <seb128> Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:32] <oSoMoN> 😎/
[13:32] <didrocks> hey
[13:32] <kenvandine> \o
[13:33] <Trevinho> 🌴
[13:33] <marcustomlinson> 🕺🏻
[13:33] <oSoMoN> is that a disco guy lifting a palmtree?
[13:34] <seb128> lol
[13:34] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[13:34] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> nothing
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine, can you remind Robert to assign himself to bugs he nominates like that snapd-glib one?
[13:35] <kenvandine> yes
[13:35] <seb128> thx
[13:35] <seb128> not review cc anymore at this point
[13:35] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> nothing
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:36] <seb128> same snapd-glib one
[13:36] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-incoming
[13:36] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:36] <seb128> the gconf is actually being handled on the dpkg side
[13:37] <seb128> gconf itself imho is not rls material (though wouldn't hurt to upload it if someone wants to do that)
[13:37] <seb128> other opinions?
[13:38] <seb128> seems not
[13:38] <didrocks> (no real opinion, seems popular, but we don't seed it for quite a long time, unsure how many installs are old without this cleanup)
[13:38] <Laney> ok with not fixing it in gconf
[13:38] <seb128> thx didrocks Laney :)
[13:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <seb128> nothing unassigned there
[13:39] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:39] <seb128> Laney, your turn!
[13:39] <Laney> yeah sorry I haven't quite made cards yet
[13:39] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:39] <Laney> one thing that needs to be done is lmdb promoted, that MIR is finished now
[13:40] <seb128> I'm never clear there is MIR team should give a final/ack do it or if any archive admin can do it
[13:40] <didrocks> depends on the last comment, I tend to say on mine "ack when security team gives its +1"
[13:40] <seb128> I guess I will do it since they don't seem to be picking it up
[13:41] <Laney> depends on the status I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MIRTeam#Process_states
[13:41] <seb128> didrocks, oh, you are MIR team ... want to do it? so no discussion of MIR or not :)
[13:42] <seb128> I'm not wanting to enter another argument with doko atm
[13:42] <didrocks> seb128: I'm fine having a look later this week
[13:42] <Laney> they have an MIR meeting at the same time as this one
[13:42] <Laney> go ping in there right now
[13:42] <didrocks> actually, before
[13:42] <didrocks> like finished 10 minutes ago
[13:42] <seb128> didrocks, it should be a matter of just doing the promotion command
[13:42] <didrocks> (when they happens)
[13:42] <Laney> oh right, they don't use #endmeeting
[13:42] <seb128> but alright
[13:42] <seb128> other topics?
[13:42] <Laney> yes ok
[13:43] <didrocks> seb128: well, I need to read the comments first :p
[13:43] <seb128> didrocks, (oh, and thanks ;)
[13:43] <Laney> I think there's going to be some cards this time
[13:43] <didrocks> yw
[13:43] <Laney> pls assign them tomorrow in that other meeting
[13:43] <seb128> k
[13:43] <Laney> and Trevinho, mutter looks like it fails tests on armhf/arm64, can you look at that pls?
[13:43] <Trevinho> Laney: ok
[13:44] <Laney> did get mail about that but I forgot until now
[13:44] <Laney> good checkpoint :-)
[13:44] <Laney> thanks!
[13:44] <Laney> k end
[13:44] <seb128> thx Laney
[13:44] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:44] <seb128> k, let me start this one by asking Till for status update of nm autopkgtests and bionic SRU
[13:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, ^ can you give us an update of where we stand on those? they have been ongoing for several weeks now, is there any blocker you need help with?
[13:47] <tkamppeter> On the Bionic SRU I did not get any further cooperation of users. For me it even looks like that regression cases are low, and the few complaints are from users with very special cases.
[13:48] <tkamppeter> Especially I get also that impression as there are not any more bug reports.
[13:48] <seb128> so what do you recommend we do to unblock the situation/move forward?
[13:48] <seb128> well, the SRU got reverted
[13:48] <seb128> that would stop the reports
[13:48] <tkamppeter> Probably we should try to get this version to some more users.
[13:49] <seb128> can you talk to the SRU team about it?
[13:49] <tkamppeter> I will do.
[13:49] <seb128> thx
[13:49] <seb128> any other topic?
[13:50] <Laney> about the tests in eoan?
[13:50] <Laney> any update+ sorry
[13:50] <kenvandine> tkamppeter: how about the autopkgtests?
[13:50] <Laney> you can see on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages that it's blocking a bunch of stuff
[13:50] <tkamppeter> In the autopkg tests there are no tests which I can reproduce all the times. Any failure happens only sometimes, leading to the impression that there is something going too slow.
[13:50] <kenvandine> i saw you updated the MP
[13:51] <seb128> even failing sometime is a problem/needs to be fixed
[13:51] <kenvandine> yes
[13:52] <tkamppeter> I also had some talk with Seth Forshee and he told that there are many failures since switchover to kernel 5.2.x but also not always the same failure, but frequent enough to hardly get the whole test suite pass.
[13:52] <seb128> we need to get on top of those issues
[13:52] <seb128> including 5.2 problems
[13:52] <tkamppeter> He has released 5.2.x into Eoan now and I have updated my VM.
[13:52] <seb128> we can't keep delaying week after week
[13:53] <seb128> k
[13:53] <seb128> hopefully you get a clue about those by the next meeting then!
[13:53] <seb128>  
[13:53] <tkamppeter> I have now seen that the case of the emulated AP not coming up disappeared, but on the Ethernet tests I see more failures.
[13:53] <seb128> other topics?
[13:55] <kenvandine> seth filed a bug on the 5.2 issue, linked on the status report
[13:55] <seb128> kenvandine, tkamppeter, can we make investigating that a topic priority for this week?
[13:56] <seb128> topic->top
[13:56] <kenvandine> that should be tkamppeter's top priority already
[13:56] <seb128> k, good
[13:56] <seb128> alright, no other topic?
[13:56] <seb128> 30s
[13:57] <seb128> k, it's a wrap then, thanks team!
[13:57] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 16 13:57:36 2019 UTC.
[13:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-07-16-13.32.moin.txt
[13:58] <oSoMoN> thx
[13:59] <willcooke> Thanks all, sorry for being AWOL again
[13:59] <didrocks> thx
[14:16] <Laney> quite a few proposed-migration this week /o\
[14:16] <Laney> silly debian unfreezing
[14:16] <seb128> also silly toolchain changes :p
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> willcooke: Just read your interview on Tech Republic. Nice mention of Pipewire and lowlatency audio. We're watching it closely on the Ubuntu Studio side of things. :)
[16:52] <willcooke> Eickmeyer, cool!  :)
[17:51] <willcooke> night all