| marcustomlinson | hey robert_ancell, could I ask you to please trigger these 3 autopkgtests for me: | 00:33 |
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| marcustomlinson | https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=xenial&arch=s390x&package=libreoffice&ppa=marcustomlinson/libreoffice&trigger=libreoffice/1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial9~ppa1 | 00:33 |
| marcustomlinson | https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=bionic&arch=amd64&package=libreoffice&ppa=marcustomlinson/libreoffice&trigger=libreoffice/1:6.0.7-0ubuntu0.18.04.9~ppa1 | 00:34 |
| marcustomlinson | https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=disco&arch=amd64&package=libreoffice&ppa=marcustomlinson/libreoffice&trigger=libreoffice/1:6.2.5-0ubuntu0.19.04.1 | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | marcustomlinson, triggered | 00:39 |
| marcustomlinson | robert_ancell: thanks :) | 00:39 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:54 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks | 06:05 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 06:13 |
| seb128 | gooood morning desktopers | 07:07 |
| duflu | Hi seb128. How goes? | 07:08 |
| seb128 | duflu, good! you? | 07:09 |
| duflu | Alright I guess. Got another Nvidia fix landed overnight | 07:10 |
| duflu | And one more to go to make mutter 3.34 completely killer | 07:10 |
| seb128 | nice! | 07:12 |
| seb128 | duflu, what kernel do you use? | 07:12 |
| duflu | 5.2 now | 07:12 |
| duflu | eoan | 07:12 |
| Wimpress | o/ | 07:12 |
| duflu | Hi Wimpress | 07:12 |
| Wimpress | Oooh, duflu what did you improve? | 07:13 |
| duflu | seb128, if you don't count my slow NIC then it boots in 3 sec | 07:13 |
| duflu | Wimpress, not me. Other people | 07:13 |
| seb128 | duflu, ok, I would have expected fastboot to be on by default in 5.2 :-/ | 07:13 |
| duflu | Looks suspicious. My monitor is showing the DisplayPort icon as a flickers during boot, like there's still a mode change | 07:14 |
| duflu | Actually I'll need to tweak my BIOS because that's the slow part of booting now | 07:14 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 07:15 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, en forme ? | 07:16 |
| duflu | Oh Wimpress if you mean mutter then the answer is performance | 07:16 |
| seb128 | hey Wimpress | 07:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: ça va, deep into test writing, et toi ? | 07:16 |
| seb128 | ça va but with a strong cold, blocked nose a bit of fever yesterday evening :-/ | 07:17 |
| didrocks | argh | 07:17 |
| seb128 | duflu, right, 5.2 has that change, https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/?id=3d6535cb | 07:18 |
| seb128 | unsure why it's not working for you | 07:18 |
| duflu | Maybe I am blacklisted | 07:18 |
| duflu | Or maybe grub is checking for the parameter and changing its own behaviour. Though unlikely | 07:19 |
| duflu | seb128, there's a kernel debug message there. If I remember later I'll check for that | 07:20 |
| seb128 | duflu, k, thx | 07:20 |
| seb128 | it's going to look good only on a few machines at the end | 07:21 |
| seb128 | so I wonder if we should keep the old theme default and let e.g oem opt in for the flickerfree ones on machine they know are working good with it | 07:21 |
| duflu | Yeah maybe. It's not something that attracts complaints right now so the only way is down | 07:22 |
| duflu | that I know of | 07:22 |
| Wimpress | duflu Are you testing flicker free boot? | 07:24 |
| duflu | Wimpress, yes | 07:24 |
| Wimpress | I saw seb128 uploaded a new Plymouth 👍 | 07:24 |
| seb128 | :) | 07:25 |
| Wimpress | Does it require any kernel options to work? | 07:25 |
| duflu | Wimpress, for some, at least for me; http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/testing-flickerfree-boot/11854 | 07:26 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, it shouldn't on > skylake in theory but at least for Daniel it did | 07:27 |
| seb128 | duflu, at what point exactly is the remaining flicker for you? | 07:27 |
| duflu | seb128, in the middle of the BIOS logo black screen. My peripherals seem to light up before that though so I think during kernel boot | 07:28 |
| duflu | Maybe grub? | 07:28 |
| seb128 | before grub? | 07:28 |
| seb128 | it's not impossible that we miss a grub patch still | 07:28 |
| seb128 | is the grub menu displayed for you (like you multiboot)? | 07:29 |
| duflu | I can't tell right now but my peripherals seem to suggest the kernel is booting already before the flicker | 07:29 |
| duflu | No menu | 07:29 |
| seb128 | so it would suggest that it's post grub if the kernel is already loaded | 07:30 |
| duflu | Maybe this (which is normal) [ 2.705782] fb0: switching to inteldrmfb from EFI VGA | 07:30 |
| duflu | I could test that by forcing it to stay on efifb I guess | 07:33 |
| seb128 | let me know if you do | 07:35 |
| duflu | seb128, yeah it's the handover to i915 that's flickering. I can only avoid it by disabling KMS and staying in efifb | 07:44 |
| seb128 | you get a fully flicker free boot if you do that? | 07:45 |
| seb128 | do we enable KMS by default? | 07:45 |
| willcooke | morning all | 07:45 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 07:45 |
| duflu | seb128, we have to -- all the open source graphics drivers require KMS | 07:46 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke | 07:46 |
| willcooke | afternoon duflu, morning seb128 | 07:46 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 07:46 |
| willcooke | hi didrocks | 07:46 |
| willcooke | didrocks, I saw something on reddit about zfs last night, did you see that already? I didnt understand any of it though | 07:47 |
| duflu | seb128, yes flicker free, if I prevent the kernel from switching fb drivers | 07:47 |
| duflu | But that also prevents hardware acceleration | 07:47 |
| seb128 | I wonder if that's specific to your config in some way | 07:48 |
| seb128 | or how fedora avoids that issue | 07:49 |
| duflu | Maybe it's only visible on desktops with external monitors | 07:49 |
| duflu | that take a second to switch | 07:49 |
| duflu | I'll try laptops later | 07:49 |
| duflu | Wait, didn't it used to be "intelfb"? | 07:51 |
| duflu | Was it renamed or rewritten? | 07:51 |
| seb128 | no idea... | 07:51 |
| duflu | Rewritten | 07:52 |
| duflu | The old intelfb.ko exists too | 07:52 |
| duflu | Oh, no | 07:56 |
| didrocks | willcooke: no, I didn't see it, do you have a link? | 07:56 |
| duflu | Just renamed internally at runtime | 07:56 |
| willcooke | didrocks, https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/ZFSOnLinuxARCShrinkage | 07:56 |
| didrocks | ah, I know this blog | 07:56 |
| didrocks | the guy keeps trashing zfs, let's see… | 07:56 |
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| Laney | morning!!! | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:06 |
| Laney | moin didrocks seb128 | 08:07 |
| duflu | Morning Laney | 08:11 |
| Laney | hey duflu | 08:18 |
| marcustomlinson | morning all | 08:35 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson, how are you today? | 08:39 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: I'm good thanks! you? | 08:42 |
| marcustomlinson | I mean, I think I could always get more sleep, but oh well that's parenthood. I'll sleep when he moves out | 08:42 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, I'm ok, having a cold kicking my butt though :/ Blocked nose, a bit of fever yesterday evening and no energy | 08:42 |
| seb128 | yeah, no kidding | 08:43 |
| seb128 | I think the lack of sleep is how I ended up with a cold again :-/ | 08:43 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: ahh... that sucks. Take it easy | 08:43 |
| seb128 | I try :) | 08:43 |
| duflu | Morning marcustomlinson | 09:00 |
| duflu | On that note a few weeks ago I found myself watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MuIMqhT8DM ... after midnight | 09:00 |
| duflu | jibel, seb128, I notice nvidia-430 is in bionic now. Does that complete "Initiate the new updates policy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates" ? | 09:06 |
| duflu | Oh, bionic-proposed | 09:06 |
| jibel | duflu, it depends on your definition of initiate. It could have been considered done on the first upload to -proposed. | 09:12 |
| duflu | yeah | 09:13 |
| Laney | haha | 09:18 |
| duflu | Well, I wouldn't consider it done. But I understand the perspective | 09:23 |
| seb128 | :-) | 09:23 |
| jibel | on eoan did snapd broke for anyone else? I cannot launch google-chrome, code, spotify and the calculator freezes | 09:37 |
| jibel | for example | 09:38 |
| jibel | spotify | 09:38 |
| jibel | internal error, please report: running "spotify" failed: cannot find installed snap "spotify" at revision 35: missing file /snap/spotify/35/meta/snap.yaml | 09:38 |
| rbasak | duflu: what are your plans with bug 1835664? I don't understand why it's Critical. The bug only affects one person apparently, and doesn't even provide steps to reproduce or a hardware description. | 09:39 |
| ubot5 | bug 1835664 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "I can not install any Ubuntu distros in the UEFI mode (but BIOS-compability mode works without efforts): "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda"" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1835664 | 09:39 |
| jibel | or that | 09:40 |
| jibel | $ code | 09:40 |
| jibel | /snap/code/11/electron-launch: line 28: /snap/code/11/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders: No such file or directory | 09:40 |
| jibel | /snap/code/11/usr/share/code/bin/code: line 44: /snap/code/11/usr/share/code/bin/../code: No such file or directory | 09:40 |
| jibel | seb128, ^ do you know? | 09:40 |
| duflu | rbasak, no plan. 'Critical' removed though | 09:41 |
| duflu | Actually, that's not true. My plan is to always stop answering bugs outside of my expertise when I run out of advice | 09:42 |
| rbasak | The reporter seems to think that because it's Critical he can ask for escalation via ubuntu-devel-discuss@ | 09:42 |
| rbasak | And someone has then forwarded that to ubuntu-devel@ (held in moderation) | 09:43 |
| rbasak | It set up the expectation that he's going to get personal support from someone. | 09:43 |
| duflu | rbasak, I guess as you said we need hardware details | 09:43 |
| duflu | Well I'm not going to apologise for trying to triage bugs that other people are ignoring | 09:44 |
| duflu | Feel free to do whatever you like with it | 09:44 |
| rbasak | I think that, as part of triage, it's important to set expectations. | 09:44 |
| rbasak | You're raised his, and now you're going ignore him? I think that's worse than not touching the bug at all. | 09:45 |
| rbasak | You've | 09:45 |
| duflu | rbasak, yes you are right. I won't do that again. Moving on... | 09:46 |
| duflu | Actually he's been very active in recent weeks | 09:46 |
| willcooke | jibel, there was a problem with snapd not seeding properly, can you do a "snap list"? | 09:52 |
| jibel | willcooke, it's on my main machine, already installed. I don't think seeding is involved | 09:55 |
| willcooke | jibel, oh. | 09:55 |
| jibel | and snap list works fine | 09:55 |
| willcooke | not that then | 09:55 |
| willcooke | jibel, is it only classic snaps? | 09:56 |
| willcooke | oh, no, it's not, you already said Spotify | 09:57 |
| jibel | willcooke, no all kind of snaps | 09:57 |
| willcooke | both are electron apps, is that a common factor? (I'm just guessing here, so tell me to shut up) | 09:57 |
| jibel | FTR https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-launch-snaps-on-eoan/12341 | 09:57 |
| jibel | willcooke, even hello is broken | 09:57 |
| jibel | $ /snap/bin/hello | 09:57 |
| willcooke | erk | 09:57 |
| jibel | cannot perform operation: mount --rbind /dev /tmp/snap.rootfs_neFJcx//dev: No such file or directory | 09:57 |
| willcooke | jibel, might be worth dropping in to #snappy and asking them? I will try and recreate | 09:58 |
| willcooke | oh, you have a reply :) | 09:58 |
| jibel | willcooke, kernel 5.2 is the problem apparently | 10:30 |
| willcooke | :( erk | 10:31 |
| seb128 | shrug | 11:11 |
| seb128 | we need some autopkgtest there in the futur | 11:11 |
| Laney | good idea | 11:24 |
| Laney | kernel could probably get a Testsuite-Triggers: snapd or something | 11:31 |
| Laney | actually the kernel did indeed trigger snapd, but it didn't catch the problem: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-eoan/eoan/amd64/s/snapd/20190710_215303_d028e@/log.gz | 11:33 |
| seb128 | xnox, hey, I finally uploaded duplicity 0.8 on python3! bad news is that build failed on ppc64el on some tests issues (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/433437044/buildlog_ubuntu-eoan-ppc64el.duplicity_0.8.01-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz) ... any chance you or someone who has a clue about ppc64el could help with those? | 11:34 |
| xnox | seb128: yeah! and oh noes! | 12:06 |
| clobrano | hey 0/, do you think it's fine if nobody shows up on #ubuntu-meeting, the membership meeting is supposed to be right now :| | 12:07 |
| Laney | :( | 12:08 |
| xnox | seb128: open a bugreport. and ping vorlon he can find people with power access. I'm very busy as i'm travelling on friday for two weeks. | 12:09 |
| xnox | seb128: unless like Laney and I poke it at debconf together | 12:09 |
| Laney | clobrano: if this fails, you can apply via the DMB for 'contributing developer' | 12:09 |
| seb128 | xnox, ok, will do, thx | 12:09 |
| Laney | xnox: everyone has that access now via the new cloud :-) | 12:09 |
| xnox | Laney: true =) | 12:10 |
| xnox | Laney: i did not test drive the new cloud yet! | 12:10 |
| clobrano | Laney: :( DBM's last meeting was las Monday... | 12:10 |
| clobrano | s/las/last | 12:11 |
| Laney | bah | 12:11 |
| willcooke | clobrano, sorry for your experience there, I will email the UMB and see if they can help | 12:32 |
| clobrano | hi willcooke, no problem, I have time :D | 12:33 |
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| tkamppeter | Anyone having problems with Chromium? I have updated my system and rebooted (to make it using kernel 5.2.x) and since thenm Chromium immediately crashes with " No such schema “com.canonical.Unity.Launcher” | 13:44 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, install the snap :) | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | +1 :) | 13:45 |
| seb128 | hum, you might have the snap already? | 13:46 |
| tkamppeter | I have already the snap installed, some weeks ago an update switched it over automatically. I am using Eoan. | 13:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do you know where the vcs is? | 13:47 |
| seb128 | for the snap | 13:47 |
| tkamppeter | I get also the message: /snap/chromium/784/bin/desktop-launch: line 29: /home/till/.config/user-dirs.dirs: Permission denie | 13:47 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, try installing unity-schemas | 13:48 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, what is unity-schemas? | 13:49 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, I have installed it now, same error: | 13:49 |
| tkamppeter | snap/chromium/784/bin/desktop-launch: line 29: /home/till/.config/user-dirs.dirs: Permission denied | 13:49 |
| tkamppeter | Failed to move to new namespace: PID namespaces supported, Network namespace supported, but failed: errno = Operation not permitted | 13:49 |
| marcustomlinson | isn't stuff generally out of whack on Eoan with snaps at the moment, or unrelated? | 13:49 |
| marcustomlinson | looking for the snapcraft.io post... | 13:50 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, that looks like another error? | 13:50 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, that looks like https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-launch-snaps-on-eoan-and-kernel-5-2/12341 | 13:51 |
| tkamppeter | It is also the "snap/chromium/784/bin/desktop-launch: line 29: /home/till/.config/user-dirs.dirs: Permission denied". | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | seb128: https://git.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source/?h=stable | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | seb128: i think | 13:51 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thx | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | the user-dirs.dirs error isn't the issue, but it is weird that you get permission denied | 13:52 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I was wondering if the unity schemas thing had to do with the fix for the indicator, but probably not seen the commit, that just defined a TMPDIR | 13:52 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, as a workaround you can try to uninstall some snaps, it looks like it's more an issue with the number of snaps installed | 13:54 |
| kenvandine | :( | 13:54 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, thanks, I got it working again, removed libreoffice (the deb works again for me for some time), gnome-3-28-1804, gtk-common-themes, and chromium, then installed chromium again and it worked. | 14:04 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, and the enlarged mouse pointer works again in Chrome. | 14:04 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, and the Google Hangouts extension is working again. | 14:07 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, good :) | 14:27 |
| seb128 | bah | 14:53 |
| seb128 | how do I tell discourse to not mangle my '' | 14:53 |
| seb128 | thanks for replaced those by better text versions but that doesn't work for commands | 14:53 |
| seb128 | popey, willcooke, ^ you know maybe? | 14:53 |
| willcooke | seb128, sorry, was otp - what;s up? You've got some text which you want to show preformatted? | 14:59 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I want to include a linux command to be copied/pasted | 15:02 |
| seb128 | but ' are replaced by pretty ` ones | 15:02 |
| seb128 | which gives an utf error/invalid command when copied to command line | 15:03 |
| willcooke | seb128, got a link to the post? | 15:05 |
| willcooke | I found it | 15:06 |
| willcooke | ha | 15:07 |
| seb128 | willcooke, grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf | awk ‘{print $2}’ | 15:08 |
| seb128 | the awk ones should be '' | 15:08 |
| willcooke | so, the answer I thought was use preformatting, but in their wisdom the markdown for preformatting uses backticks | 15:08 |
| willcooke | so as soon as it sees a backtick it stops being preformatted | 15:08 |
| seb128 | right, I tried that :/ | 15:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, ahhhahahaha! I think I win. Have a look now | 15:10 |
| seb128 | willcooke, gives me errors when copied to a command line still... | 15:11 |
| seb128 | well the \ is wrong now though | 15:11 |
| seb128 | willcooke, =\ is wrong, should be =` | 15:12 |
| seb128 | though I guess we can use $() instead | 15:12 |
| seb128 | yeah, that does it | 15:12 |
| seb128 | willcooke, thx, I fixed the remaining error | 15:12 |
| willcooke | ah, I see | 15:14 |
| willcooke | yay | 15:14 |
| willcooke | ok, so three backticks at the start and end seems to be the magic | 15:14 |
| seb128 | right, not ideally formatting visually/ I would have prefered to have the command 'inline' but that will do, thx! | 15:22 |
| Laney | seb128: `command` | 15:28 |
| seb128 | Laney, that doesn't work when your command is =`echo 'foo'` though | 15:30 |
| seb128 | ` conflicting use | 15:30 |
| Laney | ok | 15:30 |
| Laney | sounds likely | 15:30 |
| seb128 | I workarounded it by using $() instead of `` | 15:31 |
| seb128 | but thanks for the reply :) | 15:31 |
| Laney | that's actually sort of why the $() format is preferred | 15:31 |
| Laney | because ` nests very badly | 15:31 |
| seb128 | right | 15:32 |
| Laney | (``foo`bar`` probably works btw, it does in Gitlab at least) | 15:33 |
| Laney | (and you can do `` `foo`bar` `` to have it at the front or end) | 15:35 |
| seb128 | I will try that next time, I think I had tried `` and it gave me the two on the output but I'm unsure now | 15:36 |
| seb128 | I want a <donttouchmytext></donttouchmytext> :) | 15:36 |
| Laney | well that's standard markdown, perhaps discourse messes it up | 15:36 |
| Laney | gjs has sysprof support now, means a new dependency and MIR for sysprof I think | 16:47 |
| Laney | duflu should like that one | 16:47 |
| teward | I think this is relevant to someone needing to reply from the Deskto team... | 16:54 |
| teward | https://askubuntu.com/q/1159010/10616 | 16:54 |
| teward | ("Will the default swappiness be changed from swappiness=60 to swappiness=10 in Ubuntu desktop?") | 16:54 |
| seb128 | teward, thanks for pointing it out, I've no idea what that is, might need input from foundations. Would be better asked on ubuntu-devel@ list or discourse if someone want to do that | 18:11 |
| teward | ack. swappiness is the setting that controls how often data is put onto swap from memory :p | 18:11 |
| teward | been 60 since ever so | 18:11 |
| seb128 | right, so yeah that's not limited to desktop and probably something foundations/kernel have also an opinion about | 18:14 |
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