[03:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:33] <Gallomimia> morning lotuspsychje. have you heard of neuralink? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-vbh3t7WVI
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:25] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[09:29] <luna_> Won Sophos Antivirus socks
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:37] <luna_> yo
[12:37] <lordievader> 👋
[13:08] <marcoagpinto> Hello BluesKaj and guys!
[13:08] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:08] <marcoagpinto> It is me, the cola demon
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hey marcoagpinto ...yes we know that already, also sugar freak :-)
[13:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:11] <BluesKaj> your pancreas will pay for that abuse when you are older
[13:11] <BluesKaj> like I am
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> I am already old
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> 45
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I'm much older
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj is the ripe old age of 21
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> as am I
[13:14] <BluesKaj> wish that was true, pragmaticenigma
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> well... I at least stopped counting at 21
[13:16] <BluesKaj> I no longer look forward to birthdays
[13:16] <Jonopoly> sad i can't use ubuntu on laptop T_T
[13:16] <pragmaticenigma> What's preventing you from doing that Jonopoly ?
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> and I haven't done exercise this morning :(((((( I was here at the computer
[13:17]  * pragmaticenigma takes car keys and sends marcoagpinto out to the store across town for a soda
[13:17] <Jonopoly> pragmaticenigma: Because on windows i do android development and it runs alright 40-45c
[13:17] <Jonopoly> when i use any of the ubuntu flavours i get 55-60 just idle
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> are you talking CPU temperature?
[13:18] <lordievader> Jonopoly: Android studio runs fine on Linux
[13:18] <Jonopoly> lordievader: my laptop is only 3 weeks old - don't want it running extra 10-15c
[13:18] <Jonopoly> when it's not needed
[13:19] <pragmaticenigma> Jonopoly: What processor is in the laptop?
[13:19] <Jonopoly> hmm I'm not on it atm let me try google specs
[13:20] <lordievader> Wait, that is idle?
[13:20] <lordievader> Brr
[13:20] <Jonopoly> pragmaticenigma: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-tuf-fx505gm-nvidia-gtx-1060-16gb-15.6-fhd-144hz-3ms-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-26f-as.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwjrvpBRC0ARIsAFrFuV8INKOPu0ax5BV7tx0fjtFjGcxnxdrr-BwRNEIuUiFCSQmGu0L6mpgaAuBIEALw_wcB
[13:21] <Jonopoly> Intel Core i7-8750H
[13:21] <JanC> idle temp differs per CPU, and measurements aren't always right, but higher temps on idle is certainly not normal
[13:22] <Jonopoly> Yeah, it gets roughly 55-60 just on desktop with weechat open
[13:22] <lordievader> Jonopoly: What temperatures does it reach under stress?
[13:22] <Jonopoly> whereas on windows it maybe reaches 50? when rendering android apps
[13:23] <JanC> my desktop CPU is at 27°C while playing a live stream in Firefox right now
[13:23] <Jonopoly> lordievader: I haven't stressed it, i didn't want it to get too warm (as it's pretty new)
[13:23] <Jonopoly> JanC: Laptops are usually warmer than desktops
[13:24] <JanC> right, but there shouldn't be much difference between Ubuntu & Windows on idle
[13:24] <JanC> there might be an ACPI bug that Windows platform drivers work around
[13:24] <Jonopoly> i don't know how 'new' laptop is but i got it new couple weeks ago
[13:24] <Jonopoly> not entirely sure when it was released though
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> Jonopoly: I would start with checking to see if there are any BIOS/Firmware updates for the unit for ASUS. I found several articles regarding that CPU and many refer to needing a BIOS update. That said, the temperature sensors are not that acurate and most of the readings are done via a themoresistor which requires a calculation to derive the temperature. Which means whom ever wrote the driver for Linux might not have
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> used the exact same formula that the developer from Microsoft did
[13:28] <JanC> there's lots of hardware that is released early while it still has ACPI bugs and they come with special workaround-drivers for Windows, but then on linux someone has to figure out what's wrong and implement a workaround too, which takes time and people  :-(
[13:28] <JanC> BIOS/firmware updates might fix that too indeed
[13:28] <Jonopoly> Yeah i am coming to terms with maybe i can't use it now...
[13:28] <Jonopoly> but one day i can
[13:28] <Jonopoly> and that day will be good
[13:31] <JanC> pragmaticenigma: I assume that for the in-CPU measurements they would use the right formula?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> there might be some daemons using up cpu and creating extra heat like file indexers etc
[13:33] <JanC> hm, true
[13:33] <Jonopoly> Even without the sensors
[13:33] <JanC> not much files to index on a new system though?
[13:33] <Jonopoly> it feels slightly at touch.. warmer
[13:34] <BluesKaj> they still run tho
[13:34] <Jonopoly> not sure if it matters but around the enter key it feels slightly warmer
[13:34] <Jonopoly> I'll install it tonight again.. and give it a look
[13:34] <JanC> and it should be possible to see a process that uses lots of CPU
[13:34] <BluesKaj> htop is one
[13:34] <Jonopoly> luckily my laptop has the option to remove boot options
[13:35] <lordievader> When running on battery, how much power is it draining from the battery? (You can view this via powertop)
[13:35] <Jonopoly> so can easily install an os and remove it
[13:36] <JanC> might be useful to check what is below the enter key, but I assume it will be the CPU  :)
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> JanC: The formula would be vendor specific to the materials used to create the sensor. There can be variations in a single batch too.
[13:40] <JanC> pragmaticenigma: but for the same CPU it would be the same sensor and I think the CPU does the reading of it?
[13:41] <JanC> for sensors outside the CPU you are right that they are not always very accurate
[13:42] <JanC> and might be read differently between OS
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> JanC: but that negates the material variations used in the sensor. The sensors were added as a safety to cut power to the CPU, the ability for an application to read said sensor was an after thought
[13:43] <JanC> pragmaticenigma: the point is not if they are 100% accurate, the point is that it's the same sensor in both cases, and that they are read the same
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> JanC: The point i'm making is, because the calculation is based off the measured resistance of the sensor. It is inheriantly inaccurate, adding to that the whom ever wrote the driver to read the output of the sensor may not have optimized it for that specific sensor
[13:45] <JanC> the "driver" is not in the OS
[14:55] <tomreyn> hggdh: i'm moving here, if you don't mind. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=apt;dist=unstable is pretty crowded, and not few of them are documentation bugs, not few of which have been open for a good while.
[14:56] <hggdh> does not surprise me... doc patches are not considered THAT important (and do not seem to carry glory)
[15:00] <tomreyn> hmm yes, probably not. but they're essential for people learning.
[15:00] <tomreyn> but i admit my motivation is also lower than it should be there.
[15:05] <hggdh> there you go :-)
[15:06] <hggdh> but we can try. As soon as I am back I will start looking at all the doc patches in Debian, and match them to bugs in LP. Gven a few of the DDs are also in Ubuntu... we may get traction
[15:07] <tomreyn> this would be lovely
[15:10] <tomreyn> i'm not too experienced in producing easily mergable patches for debian packages (or man pages specifically) though. would probably just download the latest apt sources from debian, unpack, create a second copy, make changes as i see fit in the copy, then diff -Naur > update_manpages.diff
[15:13]  * tomreyn late lunch, bbl
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[20:09] <daftykins> i hear you're dealing with tmlake's Kodi troubles
[20:10] <daftykins> best not to entertain someone who is insisting on sticking to an older release
[20:13] <Bashing-om> daftykins: A work in progress: "< ioria> tmlake, so, try the old verson of 18.04 (with kernel 4.15.0-54 not 4.18)"
[20:14] <daftykins> their own log said they were on 4.15, heh
[20:14] <daftykins> they filed a bug against an outdated release on a PPA... madness
[20:15] <Bashing-om> daftykins: :P .. there is that .. yup .
[20:16] <daftykins> :D