 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/Aj3r0Pp.jpg
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], theme on my home tv screen. Resolution is 2560 x 1600
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], I LOVE It ;)
 Great job
 do we have meeeting today?
[22:09] <wxl> oh yeah
[22:09] <wxl> jeez
[22:10] <wxl> one of these days i'll get good at it
[22:12] <wxl> ok so let's do this thing then
[22:12] <wxl> !standup
[22:12]  * wxl pets the bot 
[22:13] <lynorian> \o
 o/
[22:13] <kc2bez> o|
[22:13] <guiverc> o/
[22:13] <wxl> _o-
 -o—<
[22:15] <wxl> can anyone top that?
[22:16] <wxl> didn't think so
[22:16] <wxl> ok @lynorian go
 to top?
[22:16] <wxl> well she was the first!
[22:16] <lynorian> been not the best week lost my wallet and stuff 
[22:16] <wxl> even if yours was the most interesting :)
[22:16] <wxl> oh no :(
[22:16] <lynorian> was replacing it so not as much done this week
[22:17] <lynorian> thankfully nothing with anything that logs into lubuntu stuff
[22:17] <lynorian> add startup disk creator kde docs. 
[22:17] <lynorian> locale advanced settings
[22:17] <lynorian> pavucontrol mutliple sound outputs options
[22:17] <lynorian> tab key twice to command line intro
[22:17] <lynorian> volume applet settings
[22:17] <lynorian> oh and helped wxl test the usb creator kde
[22:17] <wxl> thank you very much :)
[22:18] <guiverc> thank you lynorian ; I found the manual helpful this week (again) too!
 I'm going to try testing that Ubuntu iso tester to modify it to run Lubuntu isos. That's all for me.
[22:18] <wxl> yeah i consistently see it being referenced in support inquiries
[22:19] <wxl> we have need it for aeons
[22:19] <wxl> thx sam
[22:19] <wxl> anything else?
 æons?
[22:19] <wxl> Æons
[22:19] <kc2bez> You got some props for the great work in another channel lynorian
[22:20] <kc2bez> I concur.
[22:20] <lynorian> please no yellow fog 
[22:20] <wxl> æœns
[22:20] <wxl> yellow fog? XD
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Fog ???
[22:22] <lynorian> nah pathfinder rpg joke about strange aeons sorry for the derail
[22:22] <wxl> oh no, it's good
[22:22] <wxl> i never played it
[22:23] <wxl> ANYWAYS
[22:23] <wxl> hans go
 ok
 created the ppa for lubuntu-update-notifier
 I hope that everyone test it to be sure it works ok, and have recommendations from improvenment
[22:24] <wxl> woo hoo! love it
 In case someone has not test it, here it is https://launchpad.net/~hmollercl/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-update-notifier
[22:24] <wxl> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ everyone go do that
 and the other thing is that I'm struggling with some strange behaivour in falkon.
 EOF.
[22:26] <wxl> thanks! great work as always
[22:26] <wxl> dan go
[22:26] <kc2bez> * Tasks
[22:26] <kc2bez> Submitted https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21 for review
[22:26] <kc2bez> Working on an updated mimeapps.list for https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91
[22:26] <kc2bez> * Wallpaper Contest
[22:26] <kc2bez> Watching the wallpaper submissions come in and making comments.
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] Package calamares for new upstream release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Update mimeapps.list.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91
[22:26] <kc2bez> * Testing
[22:26] <kc2bez> Tested usb-creator in every release from Xenial to Eoan.
[22:26] <kc2bez> Tested lubuntu-update-notifier
[22:26] <kc2bez> Of note: I will be away the tail end of next week, I will probably only be able to check Telegram/IRC a couple of times a day. 
[22:26] <kc2bez> Nothing else from me.
[22:28] <wxl> i really wish @tsimonq2 would comment on D21
[22:28] <kc2bez> I don't know what to say.
[22:29] <wxl> some activity on bug 1829805 today which is sort of related
[22:30] <kc2bez> I saw that too.
[22:30] <wxl> if i can get an answer on what to do i'll happily carry on but *shrugs*
[22:30] <wxl> maybe i should just upload it and call it a day
[22:30] <wxl> i don't know
[22:31] <wxl> I WISH @TSIMONQ2 WOULD SHOW UP OR RESPOND FROM TIME TO TIME
[22:31] <wxl> ahem
[22:31] <wxl> anyways
[22:31] <kc2bez> If there is something you need from me please let me know.
[22:31] <wxl> thanks for your work dan :)
[22:31] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl
[22:31] <wxl> chris you should have something to say for once! :)
[22:31] <guiverc> nothing from me, didn't realize it was friday & i'm still zombie like
 I think I saw some "@tsimonq2 typing..." message in telegram
[22:31] <wxl> @HMollerCl: for how many days? XD
[22:32] <wxl> well guiverc you did all that work with those bugs on lubuntu-meta!!!
 @guiverc [<guiverc> nothing from me, didn't realize it was friday & i'm still zombie like], you are in australia?
[22:32] <guiverc> melb au
 @wxl [<wxl> I WISH @TSIMONQ2 WOULD SHOW UP OR RESPOND FROM TIME TO TIME], ack
 *haha i am funny*
[22:32] <wxl> awww *snap*
[22:33] <wxl> sudo snap install tsimonq2
[22:33] <kc2bez> He also fixed the wallpaper submissions ^
 @guiverc that explain why you are on friday
 @wxl [<wxl> sudo snap install tsimonq2], -f
[22:34] <wxl> chris and i also tag teamed an askubuntu question
[22:34] <wxl> and he did all sorts of work on askubuntu and discourse
[22:34] <wxl> he's a support powerhouse 
[22:34] <kc2bez> Indeed
[22:34] <wxl> thank you for being there chris!
[22:35] <wxl> that said, everyone ready for my spew? it's bigger than ever this time
[22:35] <kc2bez> GO
 let it rain
[22:35] <wxl> bug triage alone is insane
[22:35] <wxl>  * BUG TRIAGE 
[22:35] <wxl>    * Commented on a comment on a stale bug that the comment is not relevant to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1822237/comments/9
[22:35] <wxl>    * Marked language sorting bug as fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1801498
[22:35] <wxl>    * Marked a bug about panel appear on wrong monitor in Bionic as incomplete https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1819506
[22:35] <wxl>    * Marked an old 17.10 bug about the installer as invalid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1724969
[22:35] <wxl>    * Marked an old Xenial bug as fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1685598
[22:35] <wxl>    * Marked a bug about metapackages as invalid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1549310
[22:35] <wxl>    * Marked an old Xenial bug about no sound as invalid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1530601
[22:35] <wxl>    * Triaged a bug about the wrong locker in 18.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1812594
[22:35] <wxl>    * Marked a bug as won't fix about a wishlist to remove xscreensaver https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/726007
[22:35]  * wxl waits for the bot to crash
[22:36] <wxl> hm maybe that's it right there :)
[22:36] <wxl> ok now some other chunky bits
[22:36] <wxl>  * TASKS
[22:36] <wxl>    * Made SRU task to change the lxsession default locker in Bionic to light-locker https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
[22:36] <wxl>    * Commented on the SRU task for Bionic locker https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
[22:36] <wxl>    * Made a PPA for the usb-creator-kde SRU https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
[22:36] <wxl>  * TESTING
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bionic locker should be light-locker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bionic locker should be light-locker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix usb-creator-kde: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
[22:36] <wxl>    * Tested the lubuntu-update-notifier PPA https://launchpad.net/~hmollercl/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-update-notifier/+packages
[22:36] <wxl>    * Tested the usb-creator-kde PPA https://launchpad.net/~wxl/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[22:37] <wxl> and more stuff still
[22:37] <wxl>  * UPSTREAM
[22:37] <wxl>    * Made a comment about an old issue on label text fonts https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1711#issuecomment-511149282
[22:37] <wxl>    * Moved the issue with label text fonts to Qt https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-77036
[22:37] <wxl>    * Created an issue about many dialogs being too big for smaller screens https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1731
[22:37] <wxl>    * Created a feature request for improved restart handling in lxqt-globalkeys https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/124
[22:37] <wxl>    * Created a feature request to remove magic numbers in lxqt-globalkeys in config files https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/125
[22:37] <wxl>  * INFRASTRUCTURE
[22:37] <wxl>    * Updated solved plugin settings on Discourse to autoclose after an hour and allow filtering for solved questions.
[22:37] <wxl>  * MISCELLANEOUS
[22:37] <wxl>    * Made a comment on Ask Ubuntu about usb-creator-kde and the fix in the PPA https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158249/puzzling-message-from-startup-disk-creator/1158252#comment1928659_1158249
[22:37] <wxl>    * Updated information on the Lubuntu tag on AskUbuntu https://askubuntu.com/tags/lubuntu/info
[22:37] <wxl> finally the TODO
[22:37] <wxl>  * TODO
[22:37] <wxl>    * Write article on LXQt v LXDE.
[22:37] <wxl>    * Write an upstream bug re: problems with actual executables on desktop
[22:37] <wxl>    * Write an upstream bug re: weirdness with lxqt-globalkeys' conf writing and reading.
[22:37] <wxl>    * Triage bugs that were likely missed due to missing subscriptions.
[22:37] <wxl>    * Start on upstream pcmanfm-qt help docs.
[22:37] <wxl>    * Look into brightness/backlight stuff that Chris tested: bug 1829641 
[22:37] <wxl> any questions?
[22:38] <guiverc> (stunned silence due to volume of ..)
 @wxl [<wxl> any questions?], still reading
[22:39] <kc2bez> You've got a 5X2 screen too?
[22:40] <wxl> 2x3 array of 5x2s?
[22:41] <kc2bez> XD
[22:41] <kc2bez> That is fantastic wxl
 wxl: reagrding the lxde vs lxqt article, there is also the 32bit issue that needs to be adressed. What will be our official response for someone with 32bit systtem. Install 18.04 or 18.10 (the last 32 bit iso) and roll....??
[22:42] <wxl> i don't know.... i guess it depends on what's in the archives for 19.10+... which we don't know!
 so, 18.04 then?
[22:45] <wxl> i really don't WANT to say that
[22:45] <wxl> i am chomping at the bit to stop supporting LXDE
 I know
[22:46] <kc2bez> It is tough to support with no upstream activity.
[22:46] <wxl> right
[22:47] <wxl> but i think practically we need to tell people to use it if they're on 32 bit
[22:47] <wxl> or perhaps tell them not to even bother because once 2021 rolls around they're going to have to find something else anyways.. soemthing outside of ubuntu
[22:48] <kc2bez> It is something they will need to plan for.
[22:48] <wxl> maybe we recommend LXQt as it's the DE we would recommend people use REGARDLESS of what distro they're on
[22:48] <wxl> and using it, though it will come with even more limited length of support, will give them experience with it
[22:49] <wxl> this way they can pave their own transition to the next distro
[22:49] <kc2bez> Debian 10 isn't a bad option.
[22:49] <wxl> agreed
[22:49] <wxl> agaida keeps saying we're going to have ISOs
[22:49] <kc2bez> LXQt is the same version we are on.
[22:50] <kc2bez> xfce-wm though.
[22:50] <wxl> what? noooo
[22:51] <kc2bez> umm hmm
[22:51] <wxl> i guess it doesn't matter too much
[22:51] <wxl> window managers, sans decorations, are relatively invisible
[22:51] <kc2bez> It seems to work ok.
[22:51] <wxl> and having something other than openbox might be nice
[22:51] <wxl> openbox works fine but you do know the dev said the project is "done"
[22:52] <wxl> so it's never going to get better
[22:52] <kc2bez> We will have to transition to something at some point.
[22:53] <wxl> there's been some discussion about that...
 @wxl [<wxl> openbox works fine but you do know the dev said the project is "done"], and there are other options for lubuntu outside of openbox?
 adn there is wayland...
[22:54] <wxl> @N0um3n0 technically every window manager is an option. heck, i use awesome. lynorian has used i3. i'd really like to try sway.
[22:54] <kc2bez> I've tested Kwin
[22:55] <kc2bez> it works too
[22:55] <wxl> yep
 how to login using wayland isn't quite easy to know how to do changing wm is easier I think
[22:55] <wxl> yes lyn
[22:55] <wxl> also re: kwin it's not necessarily resource intensive. you can turn down all the fancy features and it's pretty light
 well I used i3 by itself I use openbox now just so the screenshots look like default
[22:56] <wxl> it's not necessarily *small* but honestly i'm not sure hard drive space is much of an issue anymore
 i try xfwm4, and  kwin but they are not as light as openbox
[22:56] <wxl> especially in an day and age where we don't support 32 bit
[22:56] <wxl> there used to be a package specifically to turn down all the fancy features in kubuntu
 ack
 XD
[22:57] <kc2bez> Kwin wasn't that much more, maybe 100Mb
[22:57] <wxl> go answer that task, simon
 Which?
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Kwin wasn't that much more, maybe 100Mb], lubuntu looks spectacular with kwin and effects activated
[22:57] <wxl> siiiiiigh
[22:58] <wxl> dude you better get yourself checked. i hear black holes emit radiation :/
[22:58] <kc2bez> I think wxl is referring to D21
 would kwin be worse on vm though
[22:58] <wxl> naw i've used it before
 I've been extremely busy :(
 I'll be back within the week in full swing
[22:59] <wxl> your lubuntu family needs you, dude. pencil in some time for us. or at least reply to an email every now and then.
[22:59] <wxl> also: didn't you already learn the lesson not to take on too much stuff? :)
[23:00] <kc2bez> I actually tested it today lynorian I think I have screenshots.
 I'm working on a project for $work with a tight deadline, but the project is creating a customized Ubuntu ISO, so that's the first thing I'm doing when I come back: some ISO tooling in the CI
 Hah
 Nooope, I still take on a lot :P
[23:00] <wxl> it's not good
 If you guys urgently need something from me, keep poking
[23:00] <wxl> that D21 is the one urgent thing we really have, so if you could look at that and perhaps take steps towards it, that would be great
 I'm not going totally AFK but I have prior commitments :/
 Merge and upload iirc
 You can do that ;)
[23:01] <wxl> ok, as long as it's got your stamp of approval for sure then i'll do it
[23:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGING3d796470f367: Package calamares for new upstream release.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGING3d796470f367
 For Disco, we're actually going to go the route of patching lubuntu-default-settings which should be installed on all systems we technically support
 We can't respin the ISO
 I'd also like some verification that the option to do updates during the install is actually working when the installation has internet access
 I think that's switched on but I haven't explicitly tested it
[23:05] <wxl> well if my usb-creator-kde SRU gets approved
 Brief me on the status of that real quick?
[23:06] <wxl> made an PPA, was tested successfully, merge request approved and in release for eoan, wrote the SRU appropriately, attached all the debdiffs, subscribed ubuntu-sponsors
 Give me the bug number and I'll ask for someone to sponsor it who has more time than I do at the moment ASAP
[23:08] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1629715
[23:35] <wxl> new calamares is in proposed folks
[23:36] <wxl> boot live, enable proposed, install calamares, install
[23:36] <wxl> should be 3.2.11-0ubuntu1
 Thanks wxl
[23:40] <wxl> would have done it sooner but i get nervous about things sometimes
[23:41] <wxl> now if it would just get released i could push this darn tag sheesh
 I know the feeling. I have similar issues.
[23:50] <wxl> @tsimonq2: tags after successfully built on launchpad (i.e. on proposed) or must hit release first?